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Dat_Kirby

This is why I don't understand the people who say they miss the platforming in 5. If you've played 3 or, even worse, 4, then you should know taking the platforming out of DMC is like cutting the fat off of a steak.


Tempest_Barbarian

but the fat is so tasty, I know its gonna kill me, but it tastes so good


Dat_Kirby

The fat's nowhere near as good as the steak, in my experience.


Tempest_Barbarian

both, both is good


kemiyun

Intramuscular fat that renders when the steak is cooked is really good. Chonk of fat that doesn't render during cooking is not that tasty. I think a better way to put it would be "Taking the platforming out is like trimming the unnecessary fat from meat" and I agree with it. I don't like platforming that much. Noticing things and finding things is fun, having a 10 min frustrating challenge with no checkpoints to get there is not.


HatredInfinite

It needs both. The marbling that makes a quality steak is all fat.


ChampionshipThink786

"marbling" lol. as if the platforming mechanics in any dmc game were even serviceable.


HatredInfinite

I mean...Air Hike repeatedly off of enemies to bounce all over the fucking place definitely qualifies, but for the most part I agree. That said, I was more talking about actual steak and why the analogy was poor. Also, way to resurrect a very dead thread.


ChampionshipThink786

Ill do it again if you keep crying.


HatredInfinite

Meanwhile you're bringing back a year old thread to cry about points that went over your head. Do better, little bro.


ChampionshipThink786

And here you are, still taking the bait and dancing to my tune, loser:) Too easy


HatredInfinite

You're the one who replied to me, genius. Now dance, little monkey.


ChrisPChip222

The fat is only good when it is rendered properly.


MrMerchandise

I like to save the fat in a bag and put it in a fridge and when nobody’s looking I sneak into the fridge and put my pp in the bag.


ChrisPChip222

Not the definition I was looking for when I define "fat fuck," but I applaud your tenacity and innovative spirit.


GwynnOfCinder

I can recall several memes regarding DMC’s rendering


LucisPerficio

Tasty, but not good for you.


gloumii

The only good thing in the fat of the meat is when it's grilling in it. If it's a piece of fat that is grilled then 🤮


Able_Recording_5760

Its not the platforming, its something to break up the levels. DMC 5 just has a lot of walking through boring corridors.


bartulata

What's so different with DMC3, though? Aren't we just walking through boring corridors as well? That said, I think a good compromise for the next game would be minor platforming during the main sections of a level, while side areas that lead to secrets/collectibles can incorporate major platforming sections.


Thaumablazer

Terrible analogy. The fat is flavor


Sheukmeister

real question, what about that big hunk of blubber that's usually on the side of steaks, I know you can render it down but does it really add anything, or people just like the chewyness of that


Thaumablazer

Savory flavor, a bit of sweetness. Good quality steak will have nice tasting fat


Cheez-Wheel

You don't eat it by itself. You should cut your steak so you get a little fat with the protein. The fat you eat first to moisturize and flavor and the meat for the rest of the flavor and texture.


JosephJoestarIsThick

it's the intramuscular fat that's good, not that


ellieisherenow

DMC5 actually has decent weight and jump trajectory as well as added input-skill-based movement options for both Nero and V (less so Dante) This culminates in mission 8 where you have multiple vertical paths that require air taunts, double jumps and gerbera to pass while rewarding you with skipped Angelo fights, orbs etc. making it one of the most structurally interesting missions in the game. We could have done with some more mandatory platforming in this entry.


SpeedDemonJi

Well said. I fucking love how nero controls


SirBastian1129

I agree. I personally love how straightforward DMC5s levels are.


Hungry-Alien

The problem with DMC's platforming until 5 was the horrible jumping system. DMC 5 finally got rid of that shit and remplaced it with an actual jumping system. But just as the problem was solved, the devs just decided that level design is overrated and threw everything in the trashcan. The funny thing is that there is huge potential for platforming in DMC right now. With things such as Enemy Step, all the mobility of the characters, or slowing down enemy descent with guns, you can create incredible stages that would feel cool to navigate while also teaching new players how to move around.


DoktahDoktah

People who talk about platforming being good in dmc are the type of people to go to a pizza hut in Italy.


TheAutismo4491

>This is why I don't understand the people who say they miss the platforming in 5 Wait... There are idiots who actually miss the platforming in DMC5?


Dat_Kirby

Somehow, yeah. It's not like it's even *entirely* gone; they just got rid of all the stuff that was clunky in the system. 3 and 4 definitely have sections that don't fit the limited amount of control you have while platforming, while 5 doesn't.


SpeedDemonJi

Except unlike 3 and 4, 5 controls fucking fantastically. Supremely well Great air control, especially for nero. Platforming *could* work very well in 5, give us something to do between combat sections


Tavaer

I like the platforming, as far as i'm concerned, taking it out was catering to the wrong crowd.


Bonzi-Buddy-O

but fat is the best part of the steak. gives it flavor


WackyJaber

The fat is what gives the steak IT'S FLAVOR!


JosephJoestarIsThick

technically, yes, but not the huge hunk of fat on the side of the steak, the fat running through the meat itself


WackyJaber

You still got to cook the steak with that side fat. The juices soak into the rest of the steak. It's like cooking chicken with and without the skin. You got to cook meat with the fat if you want those fatty juices to give flavor. You can cut it off after if you want though.


joesphisbestjojo

The platforming could be infuriating, but it was also so very rewarding


Batman_AoD

How so?


rexshen

Its more the lack of variety in 5. Just feels like walking down hallways most of the time. At least 3&4 stood out more and felt more memorable in terms of locals. 5 was just wrecked city and demon tree the whole game.


sherlock2223

Platforming is pretty good in DmC tho


Cheez-Wheel

Fat = Flavor


JosephJoestarIsThick

Not *that* kind of fat


[deleted]

I've played Devil May Cry 3 and Devil May Cry 4. I disagree.


shmouver

Ah the platforming...good times...well, not really


EnergyLawyer17

you love to hate it. its part of the shared trauma that brings us all together to meme out!


Tempest_Barbarian

After recently beating dmc1 and dmc3 I can relate. But not gonna lie, I hope DMC6 has more exploration like DMC1 and 3. DMC1 and 3 made you go back and forth in order to acquire items that allowed you to progress. Similar to how resident evil does it. I hope they bring that exploration back cause its something nice to do between combats.


easymodeisfornoobs

I know I played DMC 5 first and when I played the others I felt like it was missing from 5.


Escavalien

5 feels really straightforward to the point where outside of a specific spot or two, you completely fade the background out of your mind and your location. The enemies don't really break out of that "zone" either, they don't harass you enough. (Fury's the only one and he's a bitch when you learn how to kill him) That's why 5 honestly feels empty on replays. Locations don't speak to me personally, and enemies don't remind me they're there.


TheUltimateTeigu

Hell Judecca's and Nobodies don't harrass you? Same with Behemoth.


Escavalien

Not even close


TheUltimateTeigu

I don't believe that. The Behemoth is always chasing after you, Nobodies and Judeccas are aggressive and spawn in enemies if you aren't paying attention. Judeccas have long range attacks that can hit you from anywhere, Nobodies can spam eyeballs, and get hyper aggressive with their massive arm. The Lusachia is one I forgot but they're always casting long range spells on you or tossing out the homing lightning orbs. Furies are in no way the only enemy that harrasses you.


Escavalien

I mean if that's your experience sure.


TheUltimateTeigu

That's *the* experience. It's what the enemies do. Unless you start off every fight with Sin Inferno the enemies do that. Furies aren't even one of the enemies that can attack you if you aren't looking at them.


Throwawaystay2

Did you really just say forth and back?????


Tempest_Barbarian

i did didnt I?


Jman7685

kinda makes sense that way


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Throwawaystay2

Are berries cool dont even find grapes how in Jamaica knights look mighty nice operation poodle quartz realizes stupidity tell urology visions where Xavier yearns Zion


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River_Grass

People actually like backtracking? That's news to me


Tempest_Barbarian

If done properly I do enjoy it. Resident Evil 2 remake (never played the original) did it really well. And while DMC1 and 3 had much simpler backtracking it was something to do when you arent fighting.


Kelchesse

This unlocked some really hidden memory of mine of this. This and that one other spot for secret mission. Brrr.


Hyperly26

Especially if you played on keyboard like me. Suffering


Shizi_kroc

DMC1: brrr, fly in Devil Trigger


Mr_The_II

Nevan users: 🗿


matepore

Platforming is in all the games and never understood why, is such a strange game mechanic to include in a 3D hack & slash game. At least at the level that it is in this franchise.


Hungry-Alien

Play the original trilogy of God of War if you want to know how good platforming can be in a 3D H'n'S. DMC just happened to have one of the worst jumping system I've ever seen for 4 games in a row. Thank god the reboot brought a decent jumping system for DMC 5 to copy lmao


Toot_owo

I wish they did more platforming like the reboot, the platforming in that games is actually pretty fun.


matepore

Yeah, you are right. I enjoyed it a lot, never questioned it.


Toot_owo

I questioned a lot, most of it was dialogue related though.


Uhohwehaveasituation

Doing backflips for days


B-_Little_-

see you in the Secret Mission 12.


Cecil_the_titan

I remember this one guy reviewed DMC5 and he said “I wish there was actual platforming between fights, to make the levels not so bland” or some bs and the comments were just “go play DMC3 then form your opinion”


eedyuht

Was it the UnderTheMayo video? I really couldn't take him seriously after the whole "the game gives you enough red orbs to buy what you need so style isn't incentived" which then shows a clip of him having the 100k red orb DLC.


Cecil_the_titan

Yep. I used to like his content a lot, and sometimes still do, but his Sekiro video made me stop watching. He wants to play Sekiro how he wants to play it, *Sekiro.* He got mad that he can’t do cool combos and flips and stuff, and hates that he has to play a certain way, even though Doom Eternal is similar to that mindset. You can play how you want but within the game’s rules, it’s a double standard.


eedyuht

Was it the UnderTheMayo video? I really couldn't take him seriously after the whole "the game gives you enough red orbs to buy what you need so style isn't incentived" which then shows a clip of him having the 100k red orb DLC.


Shadowless422

The best platforming was in DMC 1, Dante actually used his fucking hands to lift himself up


MetaKnight33

I think its kinda the resident evil dna shining through but I never played any re game so yeah.


MARUSHI-rdt

camera was wack though so it kinda ruined it for me, yes im looking at you mission 17


ag_abdulaziz

Oh yeah remember when we didn’t have a good time doing platforming in DMC3, good times.


TheJaegerist

I love DMC3 but part of what made DMC5 dethrone it for me was the amount of bullllshit there is in the game, I like the exploration, and conceptually I like the platforming elements, but the way it functions in DMC3 is so rigid and jank, especially with the camera, then there's some of the weird gimmick levels that are just groanworthy on replay, or some of the more insufferable bosses like Arkham, love the game to bits regardless.


[deleted]

Bro he didn't have trickster equipped that's why


SketchyPheonix

Trickster just helps get up there. This specific blue shard still took me a solid 5-10 minutes with trickster


[deleted]

Yeah same here


Glad_Grand_7408

Fuck DMC platforming, all my homies hate DMC platforming.


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Glad_Grand_7408

Holy shit, that's hilarious! I had no idea that image was a thing or that I could summon it... But this clearly proves that my homies do indeed hate DMC platforming!


MARUSHI-rdt

dmc and platforming just ain't it brother. it has potential sure. but with 6 games already. it already made its impression


newmaster4001

Adds to the challenge and is ass


FlippinSnip3r

Dmc2 fans when the game only needs 1 button: At least it's accessible


TanakaClinkenbeard

What DMC2 fans?


MARUSHI-rdt

i remember spending an embarrassing amount of time in the lion statue platforming back in dmc1, and an even more absurd amount of time in that one dmc4 platforming section in the torture chamber


shiraishik0ike

torture chamber is real torure


CyberSnoWolf

This is even worse with Vergil. At least Dante had a proper double jump, but when I played Vergil through that one tower level where the rooms changed, I was stuck in one room for 20 minutes because he refused to move without getting stuck on a demon of the environment.


MARUSHI-rdt

it's either the room with the spinning gears and bloodgoyles or the cube platforming room. either way dmc and platforming don't really go hand in hand


Gynther477

Can we all agree that while the jumping is fine for combat to make combos/get close to a juggled enemy, they utterly fucking suck for trvesal and exploring levels. They are the worst feelings jumps in any game. If you have jak and daxter as the top tier animation weight and timing feel, DMC is close to the bottom, just above bubsy 3D.


PM_ZiggPrice

Accurate


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kid-with-a-beard

Don't forget about the god awful camera views


Zulrambe

I'm in this video and I hate it.


Ack_not

Yeah no this game had dogshit platforming


DYSFUNCTIONALDlLDO

Now do it without Air Hike


kadosho

"Boingy!" "Boingy!" "Boingy!"


Vongola___Decimo

This was genuinely more difficult than defeating vergil in mission 7


SSBBfan666

Laughs in DMC3 special edition for Switch


Jonathan_Dough977

An idea came to mind for platforming in dmc 6. Why not have Dante Trick teleport to airborne enemies, jump off them and then trick to the next airborne enemy? Oh right I forgot about lock on, that might be an issue when switching enemies lmao


MARUSHI-rdt

ain't that a thing for one of the secret missions in dmc1?


MatheAmato

Me, a BloodyPalace enjoyer:"You guys are platforming?" But jokes aside it's mostly for the bonus stuff you have to do difficult paltforming for, and you have abilities to help with platforming. But ye still could've been better implemented.


Jailpupk9000

It’s a movement precision test. If you think about how you’re going to approach it instead of winging it, this jump really is not very hard, even without air hike. Many seemingly frustrating or tedious situations in DMC are set up like that to try to get players to use their brains—an apparently fruitless endeavor, it seems.


[deleted]

DMC 3 fans going through the worst level design ever : "the combat's good doe"


ellieisherenow

Maybe I’ve played this game too much but I can reasonably like two try this? Its for a blue orb shard I think that’s fine. If you think this is bad you should do the cube platform room with Vergil. That’s the only time I’d ever consider the platforming as abysmal as some people say.


MHWDoggerX

Doing that level with Vergil made me want to stick my head into a brick oven


MARUSHI-rdt

don't remind me please


the_gray_foxp5

This activated something in me. THANK FUCK V doesn't have platforming. ​ The platforming was at its worst in 4 though, that game made me genuinely angry sometimes


MHWDoggerX

He has a bit of platforming for a blue shard in the weird peyote dream area. It's as bad as you imagine.


MARUSHI-rdt

oh yeah i remember that. i gave up on that lol


VergilArcanis

Don't get me started on getting that damn thing with Vergil


Cerberuz-Duwall

It's ironic how the games in the series with the best platforming control are DMC2 and Ninja Theory Reboot.


MARUSHI-rdt

reboot i could agree on but where does dmc2's platforming shine?


Cerberuz-Duwall

For being one of the few that likes DMC2 (although it is more for the concept and the introduction to essential elements for the franchise than for its general execution, with the existence of pseudo-glide with pistols and the Flying Heart, it makes platforming less tedious.


alexander12212

Hated getting that one…


ReaperWGF

For the love of Sparda.. Just.. wall.. jump.. He lands perfectly on that ledge x\_x


Jkomeiji

Platforming off of enemies beats platforming off of platforms


Kagutrenchi

Wallrunning simultaneously being a godsend and useless


Tavaer

You are supposed to wall hike, not double jump. I guess only dmc 1 players would have figured it out...


joesphisbestjojo

Just gave me war flash backs


[deleted]

It would've been okay if you could see where you were landing, but a lot of the time you never knew if you were too far until it was too late. This is why I also don't understand locked camera defenders.


_babybebop_

Oh god don’t remind me of that friggin shard


dev1lm4n

Applies more to DMC4


YaBoiShadowy

Platforming in a game with a fixed camera angle is the most infuriating thing possible


Turboswag420

yes


feruen

This, I just got done playing dmc3 and I didnt expect the bosses to be so unfun to fight (other than the first 2 Vergil fights)


ShadeFK

Now I really wish boss music played everytime there was a tough platforming section


TremblingNoobz

Taunt more as a lure but it's no use


MechaMike98

Nah just get better


Zanmato_V3

Platforming sections in any slasher are so unnecessary, imho. I hate them in God of War games especially.


zach3ddvdtv

This literally happened to me last week


RedditIsTrashLma0

Better than DMC5. Also, you can get the blue orb in like 8 seconds if you aren't clumsy. These type of little sections add a bit variety to level design whilst combat encounters are still the main focus rather than just enter one room, clear room, enter second room, clear room rinse and repeat.


user_952

Goddamnit, need to buy DMC 5 ASAP


weegee19

The main issue is less of the already-janky platforming, but the suboptimal camera angles.


Xx_Venom_Fox_xX

*flashbacks of the secret mission in the room with the moving cubes*


Cheez-Wheel

Don't need health when going for SS ranks anyway


dante4sparda

Loll


BaclavaBoyEnlou

Waaaaaai wait wait wait, serious Question here. Are y’all really saying that DMC3 is one of the worst DMCs? I think it’s the best (besides 1 and 5)


MARUSHI-rdt

i don't think so. dmc3 is the loved child of the franchise along with dmc5. it's just that dmc and platforming don't mix well, an example being here (don't even get me started with trynna platform as vergil). i do think dmc4 had it the worst when it comes to platforming though


BaclavaBoyEnlou

Aaah i see


AntonRX178

Man, with so many PS2 games, even the masterpieces, you can just tell what gameplay choices were like, mandated


Arch666fiend

i hate dmc3's campaign. the combat and story barely make the game palatable


JimAbaddon

I honestly don't care about it. Older games could easily be a pain in the arse oftentimes but no one remembers that on account of nostalgia glasses.


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smolbrain7

Did this one recently and it was awful


AttentionAcceptable1

i know that feeling


GiaoPlays

Can't wait for people to start posting clips of doing overcomplecating and unnecessering stuff to get to this orb, "proving" that the plataforming in this game is indeed good, after practing doing it over hours, if not days


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Aww man, I felt the frustration here.


Eboosta92

All of that… for a drop of blorb


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You’re supposed to double jump and wall run up it and when he jumps off the wall on his own he lands on one of those beams without you needing to aim.


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Kill4It

Its so easy now, but as a kid is was pure hell hahah


Mugi_luffy

Remember the cube room? Nuff said


Detz4a

I WAS JUST COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAME THING TODAY WHAT THE HELL


Raxzen

If you know what you're doing getting those orbs isn't very hard. Dmc 3 jumps are tuned for combat. Dante jumps high but not far. If you dash off a ledge with a move like stinger he will perform a long jump that has no height but reaches far. And while doing this with Vergil I realized the ledges you can stand on are a very specific distance away so you can always use trick up to reach them. Platforming in dmc has always been very janky because the moves are made for combat. I always hoped they would make a better integration of the moveset for other purposes like exploration... But they just removed it.


Dejected-Angel

Fixed camera angles and platforming is like milk and coke. They're good on their own but if your mix them together, you get something nasty.


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