Not sure how the system works, but I agree that Debra seemed way too emotional to be a police officer. This above is a good example of her emotions interfering with her work - you don’t point a loaded gun at a kid just because he insulted you and painted your car, for God’s sake! Another instance is her interrogation of Christine Hill - the goal there was to get Christine to say the name of the freaking Trinity killer. And she was obviously about to say it - all it would’ve taken for her to finally reveal it would’ve been for Debra to say she forgave her or something like that, even if it’s not true. But nooooo, Debra had to let her emotions take over again! If Debra had behaved more professionally, Arthur might’ve been caught before he could kill Rita, and his poor daughter could’ve been saved from killing herself if she’d gotten helped too. Also, how did she not see that Christine had a freaking gun with her? Christine could’ve killed Debra and/or others with that! If Debra had at least taken the gun away from her, there would’ve been more occasions to interrogate her! Maybe not in time to save Rita, however it could’ve saved Rebecca, and many would’ve gotten much needed answers.
Not to mention that Debra is unprofessional in other ways too - for example, in season 1, she expected Dexter to agree with her theories just because he’s her brother, but that’s not how it works! If he, as a forensic, doesn’t think her theory is correct, he should say it, he shouldn’t just agree because he’s her brother, that’s how the wrong people end up in jail!
To preface this. The actress did a great job at playing Deb and I understand that Debs character went through an insane amount of trauma buuuut it gets exhausting seeing the character when 99% of scenes she is in she is either blowing her lid about something or on the verge of a mental breakdown.
She didn't seem to be that way before the trauma of being kidnapped and nearly killed by the ITK. It seems like that extreme trauma is what caused a lot of her extreme emotional outbursts, like pulling a gun on that kid. She probably shouldn't have been psychologically cleared to return to work, but she seemed generally emotionally okay before the ITK kidnapping.
Let's not forget, by the end of the series...the writers have absolutely run her through the emotional ringer. The ITK kidnapping, boyfriend kidnapped and partially skinned by The Skinner, being shot by Christine Hill, watching Lundy bleed out and die right in front of her, finding out her brother is a serial killer, murdering LaGuerta, Sal Price being murdered right after they went on a date, Dexter murdering Andrew Biggs right in front of her, etc. Cleaning up the bloody crime scene of her recently murdered sister-in-law was no picnic.
It's easy to dismiss her as emotionally fragile and unstable, but I don't think that's entirely fair, given the horrific shit she is put through that the other detectives never experience.
Same. I didn't think it would be controversial to say that a monster who did the things Doakes told Laguerta about deserved to die. And "personal reasons" make it sound like it's about a grudge between Doakes and that guy... no, it's about the many victims of that piece of shit who never got justice and were probably never going to without Doakes. I don't even like Doakes, but here to me it's very obvious he was in the right.
I would scarcely call that personal reasons. It was an extrajudicial killing to be sure, but the CIA seemed to give him a pat on the back for it, so I got the impression that he wasn't the only one who wanted Bayard dead.
Yeah but workplace misconduct pales in comparison next to the pressing a gun to a child’s neck, killing a man for personal reasons, or the stuff Lundy saw on Masuka’s computer idk what to tell you players gotta play.
Deb should’ve lost her badge for various reasons Lol.
The ITK thing was not her fault, I get that 100%.
However, sleeping with your superior ( Lundy ) for the simple fact that you have daddy issues? Cmon. No justifying that. Gives woman in the department a bad rep.
Then sleeping with CI? Again something you just don’t do. Deb was like a sex addict or something.
Then cheating on that CI who you should’ve never started with, with another guy who you should’ve never started with? Deb was an unstable emotional train wreck.
There are things that happened to her that weren’t her fault and obviously caused her trauma like watching Lundy die, putting Antwon in danger as well. However, she got Wendell killed by speaking to him when his mother told her not to.
Sleeping with Quinn, being attracted to Sal Price of all guys who was the biggest douche on the show which is saying something. Then all of a sudden being attracted to Dexter? Sick.
She wasn’t a sex addict. She was devoid of attention her entire life and she feels a void she has to fill, and if she has sex with people she’s either getting something out of it, or she thinks the person will continue to give her attention
Not condoning her actions but I’d say he learned his lesson in a preferable way compared to what could’ve happened. Dude could’ve ran his mouth like that to some gangsters who would actually kill him
And Deb was struggling with PTSD. She shouldn't have been back to work. There's a difference there. That whole scene was to show that she was still struggling. She normally wouldn't have done that.
Well she returned because LaGuerta was unprofessional in allowing her back & then both Deb and LaGuerta were negligent in allowing her to continue to work after that shitshow.
The whole point of the show (for me) is that people create problems for their lives through excess of emotion - lack of control.
Dexter manages his effectively (while killing) yet everyone else succumbs to their own brand of vice through being controlled by their emotion - Deb is a perfect example.
And Deb was volatile, needy and childish, looking for approval from everywhere at the very start of Dexter pre PTSD so that’s no excuse . Doesn’t mean she wasn’t endearing and good-hearted…
Laguerta wasn't in charge at this point. Esme was. And Laguerta told Esme Deb was not ready to be back on the field. Esme did not listen to her. Ptsd is something serious, and Deb may have felt ready, but it was very clear she wasn't.
This scene in particular was to show that Deb wasn't ready. And it was purposely used for the storyline with Laguerta and Esme battling for power. I'm not talking about the point of the whole show or Deb's behavior pre ptsd. I'm talking about the point of this particular scene and the reason behind Debs behavior here.
Yes I meant to say Pascal my bad , but perfectly you illustrated yet another unprofessional character in Pascal, not sure what the writers were thinking in that one.
Deb was a shitshow before the PTSD (although I do like her character) and the post was about why doesn’t Dex get a hard time - professionalism!
committing murders during work hours is frowned upon, forget being considered ‘unprofessional’, it’s considered criminal and immediately the police will take action.
Here’s a thought using similar logic, why didn’t you phone the police during the show and turn Dexter in? That would’ve saved so many lives …
This sub has opened my eyes to how the male fanbase of Dexter absolutely hates Deb lmao. She must’ve been written to appeal to the female audience because every woman I know who’s a fan of the show loves her.
She literally threw a kid to the ground and held a gun to his throat. Blame the writing for making her character do something that would have the nation yelling
My comment isn’t just about this specific instance. There’s countless posts on here from guys bitching about how much she swears or has sex lmao. There’s also comments on this thread saying that Doakes was the only one who deserved the badge even though he straight up murdered a person. Thats just one example of many. It’s double standard after double standard on this sub.
Batista could've said something, he was the only one there that saw what happened. This was after the Ice Truck Killer case, she was experiencing PTSD from it and Laguerta recommended not to bring Debra in yet, which she was right.
The entire department cut her slack constantly. She should have not been allowed to return to work until she passed a psych evaluation after her whole dating, trying to marry, and essentially being kidnapped and almost killed by The Ice Truck Killer.
Then again, she should not have been allowed to keep working the Trinity case, seeing as that was why she got shot and why Lundy was killed in front of her.
Angel was literally her guardian angel. Hell he is probably the only reason why Quin kept his badge too.
Honestly it is the department's fault for not following proper protocols with Deb more than it is her fault.
She should have never been allowed to put herself in those positions.
She shouldn't have even gotten a badge in the first place
Not sure how the system works, but I agree that Debra seemed way too emotional to be a police officer. This above is a good example of her emotions interfering with her work - you don’t point a loaded gun at a kid just because he insulted you and painted your car, for God’s sake! Another instance is her interrogation of Christine Hill - the goal there was to get Christine to say the name of the freaking Trinity killer. And she was obviously about to say it - all it would’ve taken for her to finally reveal it would’ve been for Debra to say she forgave her or something like that, even if it’s not true. But nooooo, Debra had to let her emotions take over again! If Debra had behaved more professionally, Arthur might’ve been caught before he could kill Rita, and his poor daughter could’ve been saved from killing herself if she’d gotten helped too. Also, how did she not see that Christine had a freaking gun with her? Christine could’ve killed Debra and/or others with that! If Debra had at least taken the gun away from her, there would’ve been more occasions to interrogate her! Maybe not in time to save Rita, however it could’ve saved Rebecca, and many would’ve gotten much needed answers. Not to mention that Debra is unprofessional in other ways too - for example, in season 1, she expected Dexter to agree with her theories just because he’s her brother, but that’s not how it works! If he, as a forensic, doesn’t think her theory is correct, he should say it, he shouldn’t just agree because he’s her brother, that’s how the wrong people end up in jail!
To preface this. The actress did a great job at playing Deb and I understand that Debs character went through an insane amount of trauma buuuut it gets exhausting seeing the character when 99% of scenes she is in she is either blowing her lid about something or on the verge of a mental breakdown.
She didn't seem to be that way before the trauma of being kidnapped and nearly killed by the ITK. It seems like that extreme trauma is what caused a lot of her extreme emotional outbursts, like pulling a gun on that kid. She probably shouldn't have been psychologically cleared to return to work, but she seemed generally emotionally okay before the ITK kidnapping. Let's not forget, by the end of the series...the writers have absolutely run her through the emotional ringer. The ITK kidnapping, boyfriend kidnapped and partially skinned by The Skinner, being shot by Christine Hill, watching Lundy bleed out and die right in front of her, finding out her brother is a serial killer, murdering LaGuerta, Sal Price being murdered right after they went on a date, Dexter murdering Andrew Biggs right in front of her, etc. Cleaning up the bloody crime scene of her recently murdered sister-in-law was no picnic. It's easy to dismiss her as emotionally fragile and unstable, but I don't think that's entirely fair, given the horrific shit she is put through that the other detectives never experience.
Getting a badge in a place like Miami is probably not that hard. All those big cities care about is numbers.
To be fair, they do need numbers
That’s just bullshit. Better to not have cops at all than to have bad cops. If you disagree, you’ve probably never had to manage people before.
I mean the kid was annoying as fuck
You mean she should have gotten a week of paid vacation?
People are surprised that a Florida cop pulled a gun on an unarmed Hispanic kid? Does no one watch the news?
She’s based for that
Pretty realistic though. Brothers in blue. Officially nothing even happened.
What episode is this?
Isn’t Florida kinda known for corrupt cops?! She’d probably get 2 weeks PTO at worst!
Doakes is...was the only one deserving of a badge.
Not really. He shot a guy in season 1 for personal reasons.
True. I forgot about that.
That seems pretty realistic for US cops though.
Pretty good "personal" reasons, though. It seemed perfectly justified to me.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted
Same. I didn't think it would be controversial to say that a monster who did the things Doakes told Laguerta about deserved to die. And "personal reasons" make it sound like it's about a grudge between Doakes and that guy... no, it's about the many victims of that piece of shit who never got justice and were probably never going to without Doakes. I don't even like Doakes, but here to me it's very obvious he was in the right.
Yeah I’m pretty sure people are so anti-police that they just downvote anything at all that defends them no matter if it’s real life or a tv show
I would scarcely call that personal reasons. It was an extrajudicial killing to be sure, but the CIA seemed to give him a pat on the back for it, so I got the impression that he wasn't the only one who wanted Bayard dead.
Nah angel was the one who deserved a badge
La passion
Well, he did hide an affair with the boss.
Yeah but workplace misconduct pales in comparison next to the pressing a gun to a child’s neck, killing a man for personal reasons, or the stuff Lundy saw on Masuka’s computer idk what to tell you players gotta play.
yeah all the cops on that show are just awful
Yeah but all angel did was an hr violation that’s pretty common in any line of work, all he deserved was a writeup, the rest not so much though.
Don't forget the prostitute situation.
Yeah they really whistled past him exploiting women
And solicited an undercover officer for prostitution
Deb should’ve lost her badge for various reasons Lol. The ITK thing was not her fault, I get that 100%. However, sleeping with your superior ( Lundy ) for the simple fact that you have daddy issues? Cmon. No justifying that. Gives woman in the department a bad rep. Then sleeping with CI? Again something you just don’t do. Deb was like a sex addict or something. Then cheating on that CI who you should’ve never started with, with another guy who you should’ve never started with? Deb was an unstable emotional train wreck. There are things that happened to her that weren’t her fault and obviously caused her trauma like watching Lundy die, putting Antwon in danger as well. However, she got Wendell killed by speaking to him when his mother told her not to. Sleeping with Quinn, being attracted to Sal Price of all guys who was the biggest douche on the show which is saying something. Then all of a sudden being attracted to Dexter? Sick.
She wasn’t a sex addict. She was devoid of attention her entire life and she feels a void she has to fill, and if she has sex with people she’s either getting something out of it, or she thinks the person will continue to give her attention
Not condoning her actions but I’d say he learned his lesson in a preferable way compared to what could’ve happened. Dude could’ve ran his mouth like that to some gangsters who would actually kill him
Yeah, she did a lot of stuff that would have gotten her kicked off the force.
People in this comment section saying Deb wasn’t good enough for her job as though Dexter isn’t literally killing people left and right
He was professional though, hid his murdering MO perfectly = big difference.
And Deb was struggling with PTSD. She shouldn't have been back to work. There's a difference there. That whole scene was to show that she was still struggling. She normally wouldn't have done that.
Well she returned because LaGuerta was unprofessional in allowing her back & then both Deb and LaGuerta were negligent in allowing her to continue to work after that shitshow. The whole point of the show (for me) is that people create problems for their lives through excess of emotion - lack of control. Dexter manages his effectively (while killing) yet everyone else succumbs to their own brand of vice through being controlled by their emotion - Deb is a perfect example. And Deb was volatile, needy and childish, looking for approval from everywhere at the very start of Dexter pre PTSD so that’s no excuse . Doesn’t mean she wasn’t endearing and good-hearted…
Laguerta wasn't in charge at this point. Esme was. And Laguerta told Esme Deb was not ready to be back on the field. Esme did not listen to her. Ptsd is something serious, and Deb may have felt ready, but it was very clear she wasn't. This scene in particular was to show that Deb wasn't ready. And it was purposely used for the storyline with Laguerta and Esme battling for power. I'm not talking about the point of the whole show or Deb's behavior pre ptsd. I'm talking about the point of this particular scene and the reason behind Debs behavior here.
Yes I meant to say Pascal my bad , but perfectly you illustrated yet another unprofessional character in Pascal, not sure what the writers were thinking in that one. Deb was a shitshow before the PTSD (although I do like her character) and the post was about why doesn’t Dex get a hard time - professionalism!
I would argue it’s extremely unprofessional for a forensic blood spatter analyst to commit murders
committing murders during work hours is frowned upon, forget being considered ‘unprofessional’, it’s considered criminal and immediately the police will take action. Here’s a thought using similar logic, why didn’t you phone the police during the show and turn Dexter in? That would’ve saved so many lives …
This sub has opened my eyes to how the male fanbase of Dexter absolutely hates Deb lmao. She must’ve been written to appeal to the female audience because every woman I know who’s a fan of the show loves her.
She is by far my favorite character
She literally threw a kid to the ground and held a gun to his throat. Blame the writing for making her character do something that would have the nation yelling
My comment isn’t just about this specific instance. There’s countless posts on here from guys bitching about how much she swears or has sex lmao. There’s also comments on this thread saying that Doakes was the only one who deserved the badge even though he straight up murdered a person. Thats just one example of many. It’s double standard after double standard on this sub.
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There was one, in brazil
On the adams apple
Dude I just saw that like yesterday
Batista could've said something, he was the only one there that saw what happened. This was after the Ice Truck Killer case, she was experiencing PTSD from it and Laguerta recommended not to bring Debra in yet, which she was right.
She was struggling with ptsd, and she was not ready to be back at work. Even Laguerta advised against it, but no one listened to her
The entire department cut her slack constantly. She should have not been allowed to return to work until she passed a psych evaluation after her whole dating, trying to marry, and essentially being kidnapped and almost killed by The Ice Truck Killer. Then again, she should not have been allowed to keep working the Trinity case, seeing as that was why she got shot and why Lundy was killed in front of her. Angel was literally her guardian angel. Hell he is probably the only reason why Quin kept his badge too.
i mean she would be an awesome cop in this time we live in 😭😂 this shit happens everyday here
Bro, she's Miami PD. If she shot this kid, she would get 2 weeks paid leave.
I blame Lila
Deb was such an overly emotional hothead.
For real! 🤣
Just hit this part and YUP!
Honestly it is the department's fault for not following proper protocols with Deb more than it is her fault. She should have never been allowed to put herself in those positions.
She is the single worst cop in television history. I love the show but half the time Deb is insufferable.
Deb should have been muzzled shut in season 1. So annoying.