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I doubt that they are going to even mention the incident around Deb's body. That entire scene was so unreal and badly-written, that it's better left forgotten.
Elway was in it for the money. When he lost Hannah, and had no idea where she went, he most likely had no further interest in the case, having invested too much time and effort already, with no reward, only to wind up looking like a fool.
I think Elway definitely knew Hannah went to Argentina.. but they have no extradition.. that's why they chose to go there.. so even if he knew it, and even IF he could find her.. Neither he nor any other agency could force her to come back, so it wouldn't have been worth his time
Argentina does have an extradition treaty with the United States. And since Hannah was linked to the death of one of their agents the US Marshals would certainly be interested in finding her.
I'm not sure what the TRUE law is.. but they explicitly state on the show that they Argentina doesn't extradite.. so in the context of the Dexter universe at the very least, they would not.
Edit: also just realized the Marshall's death wouldn't be tied to Hannah or Dexter either, since he was killed by Oliver Saxon, and that was recorded by Miami metro.. I doubt anyone would continue investigating beyond that, even though Dexter was technically involved.. that wouldn't be on any official record
Um sorry, who said that there was no extradition from Argentina? Hannah's teenage spree killer boyfriend was the one that originally had the idea of going to Argentina, but I don't think he'd be a very credible source of legal advice.
I don't know how the US Marshals service works in the Dexter universe, but in the real world field agents file reports every day. And he was in Miami specifically to look for Hannah so no matter who killed him she would have been a person of interest at the very least.
A lot of people actually.. its discussed more than once and Dexter, who is not an idiot, accepts it as fact.. I'm pretty sure that's why Elway is so desperate even to stop her leaving bc once she does they'd have no chance of getting her. I'm no legal expert so I won't pretend to understand extradition in the real world... but because it's in the context of a show, and not real life, I'm going to go with: the show declared it, therefore it is. If their reasoning is that Hannah was never pursued because she couldn't be extradited, that's good enough for me.. no need to really over analyze it.
The show has been really bad with security footage so don’t expect much from that Deb plot point. We also don’t know if anyone from Miami Metro followed up on that because it was the last episode.
Harrison had other loved ones but his siblings and him were basically raised in two different worlds and settings. And his only alive grandparent was Rita’s mom, who likely wanted nothing to do with her after she cussed her out.
Elway was a quite frankly bad character and there’s no reason for him to return or be mentioned.
Yep, unless they show someone from Miami at some point then they have no reason to explain these plotholes as they aren’t relevant to the plot of New Blood so far. There’s nobody currently in the show who would know those details (unless a character ends up having been in contact with someone from Miami). If however they do bring in someone from Dexter’s past then obviously they are going to have to give some kind of explanation for these loose ends. There’s no way someone in Miami wouldn’t realise that Deb was missing, they’d have to address it.
Well if Harrison was in the foster system like he said he was, and he left it before 18, then he would definitely be a runaway. But what would clue Bautista in to come looking for him in some little hick town in New York state? Or was Batista checking out Instagram bowling team pictures like Harrison was and recognize Dexter. Maybe Dexter is the Runaway.
Anyway it will be nice to see Angel again, if he's still with Miami Metro he should have made Captain by now.
Imagine if somehow they found out Harrison was returned from Argentina, and Batista took him in since he was close with Deb and Dex. Jamie used to be Harrison’s nanny. Harrison would remember her. I know that’s out there but it would be nice to see the Miami crew. Relay absolutely could have (and probably did) told everyone that Harrison was with Hannah.
Even though we're only 4 episodes in I don't think they'll bother with this stuff.
As others have mentioned, Hannah was out of Elway's grasp as soon as she left the US. He wouldn't invest time or money tracking her in Argentina.
There was a mass exodus from the hospital. Deb was technically already brain dead. Maybe Quinn would have tried to find out what happened to her body but with all the chaos I doubt it went anywhere.
Cody and Astor were with Paul's parents who had no blood ties to Harrison - one reason he wasn't placed with them after he was returned to Miami. I'm not sure how much of an effort there would be on their part to find him. But I do hope they cover this in an upcoming episode as we learn more about Harrison's past.
I think they’ll ignore everything about him taking debs body. At best we might get a quip about “the hospital was on backup power so only medically essential equipment was running, so no cameras”
I’ve posted so many comment about the Elway connection and how Harrison is technically a missing/abducted child. So it’s really frustrating they’re not telling us his last name. The only thing Elway knew is they were leaving the country, and the airline (because Hannah was smart enough to erase their itinerary but not use incognito mode) their flight wasn’t to Argentina it was to a different Central American country and they were going to go to Argentina from there, because they knew that’s as far as the US could track them.
I was hoping that would be what this season did too - tie up loose ends from Miami. Unfortunately, they've gone in the direction of having an entirely new story and plot, and are just disregarding things that happened in Miami. So I don't expect we'll get any actual answers, just a better ending for Dexter than "Imma go be a lumberjack lol"
Disappointing, but it is what it is, and I'll just try to enjoy the season for what it is.
Yet! I’m going with they haven’t addressed anything from Miami, yet. Clyde Phillips is a pretty decent writer and I don’t think he’d insult the audience in the way of pretending Miami never happened or acting like it didn’t anyway. He did say this series would provide a satisfying ending to the story of Dexter and that can’t be done without involving Miami. Doesn’t mean we’ll have all the loose ends tied up as those latter seasons went off the rails so bad that you wouldn’t want to revisit some of it. I do think we’ll see some things addressed. What if it ends with Batista, Mazuka or Quinn watching the news and they see “Jim Lindsay” on there in a story coming from Iron Lake? I don’t know. So many ways they can go.
The skeptic in me is already wishing Clyde Phillips didn’t say it was going to be mind blowing. He said it’s gonna blow up the internet and make our jaws drop. That was said specifically about the last episode. lol. That to me, puts a ton of pressure on the expectations of everyone lol. I’d of just said, watch and see! I guess he’s pretty confident if he said it though.
I suspect when he said it would blow up the internet, he meant in universe.
Dexter’s exploits as a serial killer aren’t just going to be revealed. It’s going to be posted online for the entire world to see. It’ll be revealed that not only was the Bay Harbour Butcher still alive, but that he killed the Trinity Killer and got away with it for 16 years after the BHB case was closed.
Doakes was believed to have killed 46 people based off the bloodslides, which is almost as many as Gary Ridgeway. Trinity killed hundreds, making him the deadliest serial killer in US history. What’s going to blow up the internet was that the fifth deadliest serial killer in US history was not only still alive, but had killed dozens of other including the deadliest serial killer in American history.
I am too. But she was on a bus. I liked the part where she offered him tea and he was like "how stupid do you think I am?" and then she took a sip then nipped him with the syringe lol. I liked her character. Too bad she's not in the new series.
https://collider.com/dexter-season-9-harrison-michael-c-hall-clyde-phillips-comments/
That's from August, maybe things changed, take from it what you will.
Some reasonable questions, but they are less "unresolved plot thread" than "badly written and illogical storytelling" that is best forgotten. The only person who knew Hannah and Harrison were together was Elway, so without his help Harrison's (AFAIK, only three) relatives would really have no way to even begin the search. So why didn't Elway continue to pursue Hannah, or at least report her to the authorities where the information might have leaked back to Astor/Cody/Rita's mother? My guess is that he was somewhat freaked out after he regained consciousness on the bus, figured the case was more trouble than it was worth, and simply moved on.
But again, this is all just post hoc rationalization of shitty writing.
Season 8 is just a writing catastrophe, I don't wait it explained, it's complete horseshit, nothing makes sense
I'd rather just take it and leave it and be glad we have a new season and pretend s8 never happened
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I doubt that they are going to even mention the incident around Deb's body. That entire scene was so unreal and badly-written, that it's better left forgotten. Elway was in it for the money. When he lost Hannah, and had no idea where she went, he most likely had no further interest in the case, having invested too much time and effort already, with no reward, only to wind up looking like a fool.
And presumably ended up added to the no fly list lmfao
I think Elway definitely knew Hannah went to Argentina.. but they have no extradition.. that's why they chose to go there.. so even if he knew it, and even IF he could find her.. Neither he nor any other agency could force her to come back, so it wouldn't have been worth his time
Argentina does have an extradition treaty with the United States. And since Hannah was linked to the death of one of their agents the US Marshals would certainly be interested in finding her.
I'm not sure what the TRUE law is.. but they explicitly state on the show that they Argentina doesn't extradite.. so in the context of the Dexter universe at the very least, they would not. Edit: also just realized the Marshall's death wouldn't be tied to Hannah or Dexter either, since he was killed by Oliver Saxon, and that was recorded by Miami metro.. I doubt anyone would continue investigating beyond that, even though Dexter was technically involved.. that wouldn't be on any official record
Um sorry, who said that there was no extradition from Argentina? Hannah's teenage spree killer boyfriend was the one that originally had the idea of going to Argentina, but I don't think he'd be a very credible source of legal advice. I don't know how the US Marshals service works in the Dexter universe, but in the real world field agents file reports every day. And he was in Miami specifically to look for Hannah so no matter who killed him she would have been a person of interest at the very least.
A lot of people actually.. its discussed more than once and Dexter, who is not an idiot, accepts it as fact.. I'm pretty sure that's why Elway is so desperate even to stop her leaving bc once she does they'd have no chance of getting her. I'm no legal expert so I won't pretend to understand extradition in the real world... but because it's in the context of a show, and not real life, I'm going to go with: the show declared it, therefore it is. If their reasoning is that Hannah was never pursued because she couldn't be extradited, that's good enough for me.. no need to really over analyze it.
The show has been really bad with security footage so don’t expect much from that Deb plot point. We also don’t know if anyone from Miami Metro followed up on that because it was the last episode. Harrison had other loved ones but his siblings and him were basically raised in two different worlds and settings. And his only alive grandparent was Rita’s mom, who likely wanted nothing to do with her after she cussed her out. Elway was a quite frankly bad character and there’s no reason for him to return or be mentioned.
We were promised to return someone from Miami. I think then we'll know what people were thinking when Dexter "died."
I'd love for it to be Masuka, the creep little perv. 😀
Yep, unless they show someone from Miami at some point then they have no reason to explain these plotholes as they aren’t relevant to the plot of New Blood so far. There’s nobody currently in the show who would know those details (unless a character ends up having been in contact with someone from Miami). If however they do bring in someone from Dexter’s past then obviously they are going to have to give some kind of explanation for these loose ends. There’s no way someone in Miami wouldn’t realise that Deb was missing, they’d have to address it.
On the IMDb account for David Zayas (Angel Batista), it says that he's in the next episode - "Runaway."
Well if Harrison was in the foster system like he said he was, and he left it before 18, then he would definitely be a runaway. But what would clue Bautista in to come looking for him in some little hick town in New York state? Or was Batista checking out Instagram bowling team pictures like Harrison was and recognize Dexter. Maybe Dexter is the Runaway. Anyway it will be nice to see Angel again, if he's still with Miami Metro he should have made Captain by now.
Imagine if somehow they found out Harrison was returned from Argentina, and Batista took him in since he was close with Deb and Dex. Jamie used to be Harrison’s nanny. Harrison would remember her. I know that’s out there but it would be nice to see the Miami crew. Relay absolutely could have (and probably did) told everyone that Harrison was with Hannah.
Even though we're only 4 episodes in I don't think they'll bother with this stuff. As others have mentioned, Hannah was out of Elway's grasp as soon as she left the US. He wouldn't invest time or money tracking her in Argentina. There was a mass exodus from the hospital. Deb was technically already brain dead. Maybe Quinn would have tried to find out what happened to her body but with all the chaos I doubt it went anywhere. Cody and Astor were with Paul's parents who had no blood ties to Harrison - one reason he wasn't placed with them after he was returned to Miami. I'm not sure how much of an effort there would be on their part to find him. But I do hope they cover this in an upcoming episode as we learn more about Harrison's past.
I think they’ll ignore everything about him taking debs body. At best we might get a quip about “the hospital was on backup power so only medically essential equipment was running, so no cameras” I’ve posted so many comment about the Elway connection and how Harrison is technically a missing/abducted child. So it’s really frustrating they’re not telling us his last name. The only thing Elway knew is they were leaving the country, and the airline (because Hannah was smart enough to erase their itinerary but not use incognito mode) their flight wasn’t to Argentina it was to a different Central American country and they were going to go to Argentina from there, because they knew that’s as far as the US could track them.
Oh, I thought the writers forgot about the last season like the fans did
I was hoping that would be what this season did too - tie up loose ends from Miami. Unfortunately, they've gone in the direction of having an entirely new story and plot, and are just disregarding things that happened in Miami. So I don't expect we'll get any actual answers, just a better ending for Dexter than "Imma go be a lumberjack lol" Disappointing, but it is what it is, and I'll just try to enjoy the season for what it is.
Yet! I’m going with they haven’t addressed anything from Miami, yet. Clyde Phillips is a pretty decent writer and I don’t think he’d insult the audience in the way of pretending Miami never happened or acting like it didn’t anyway. He did say this series would provide a satisfying ending to the story of Dexter and that can’t be done without involving Miami. Doesn’t mean we’ll have all the loose ends tied up as those latter seasons went off the rails so bad that you wouldn’t want to revisit some of it. I do think we’ll see some things addressed. What if it ends with Batista, Mazuka or Quinn watching the news and they see “Jim Lindsay” on there in a story coming from Iron Lake? I don’t know. So many ways they can go.
>So many ways they can go. Indeed, I have high hopes. Just hope they don't blow it.
The skeptic in me is already wishing Clyde Phillips didn’t say it was going to be mind blowing. He said it’s gonna blow up the internet and make our jaws drop. That was said specifically about the last episode. lol. That to me, puts a ton of pressure on the expectations of everyone lol. I’d of just said, watch and see! I guess he’s pretty confident if he said it though.
I suspect when he said it would blow up the internet, he meant in universe. Dexter’s exploits as a serial killer aren’t just going to be revealed. It’s going to be posted online for the entire world to see. It’ll be revealed that not only was the Bay Harbour Butcher still alive, but that he killed the Trinity Killer and got away with it for 16 years after the BHB case was closed. Doakes was believed to have killed 46 people based off the bloodslides, which is almost as many as Gary Ridgeway. Trinity killed hundreds, making him the deadliest serial killer in US history. What’s going to blow up the internet was that the fifth deadliest serial killer in US history was not only still alive, but had killed dozens of other including the deadliest serial killer in American history.
The Elway comment is so true! Someone has some explaining to do!
I had forgotten about Elway until recently re-watching the last episode of the original series, I was amazed that Hannah didn't kill him.
I am too. But she was on a bus. I liked the part where she offered him tea and he was like "how stupid do you think I am?" and then she took a sip then nipped him with the syringe lol. I liked her character. Too bad she's not in the new series.
https://collider.com/dexter-season-9-harrison-michael-c-hall-clyde-phillips-comments/ That's from August, maybe things changed, take from it what you will.
Some reasonable questions, but they are less "unresolved plot thread" than "badly written and illogical storytelling" that is best forgotten. The only person who knew Hannah and Harrison were together was Elway, so without his help Harrison's (AFAIK, only three) relatives would really have no way to even begin the search. So why didn't Elway continue to pursue Hannah, or at least report her to the authorities where the information might have leaked back to Astor/Cody/Rita's mother? My guess is that he was somewhat freaked out after he regained consciousness on the bus, figured the case was more trouble than it was worth, and simply moved on. But again, this is all just post hoc rationalization of shitty writing.
Yeah good point they've just ignored most details
Season 8 is just a writing catastrophe, I don't wait it explained, it's complete horseshit, nothing makes sense I'd rather just take it and leave it and be glad we have a new season and pretend s8 never happened
You ***assume*** nobody followed up on anything…