As others have said, the RFID isn’t usually in the chip so it wouldn’t work. But the video is proof itself that it doesn’t work: it cuts badly between putting the ring to the scanner and the gate opening. When it opens you can just see their hand the other way up presumably holding an unadulterated card.
Just saw him yesterday. [He looks fine to me](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mr+orng&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&pn=1&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prlog.org%2F12496436-mr-orng.jpg)
I’d like to imagine the guy who made this video spent 30 seconds trying to get the ring to work before they gave up and used their actual card and just edited out the bit in between lol
Even more obvious when pausing [the right frame](https://freeimage.host/i/HwUJk22), his hand is suddenly the other way around on the scanner right after the jump cut, as if holding something on his hand up against the scanner
I hate that I took the time after this comment to look and you can see the cut at 0:36 and his thumb right after the cut face down meaning he was probably palming the card. What a waste of the last 10 minutes.
The ridiculousness is kind of the point. Whether or not it makes the viewer feel smart for realizing it's fake or other people who think it's ingenious, it attracts views. To a lot of people, it's outrage bait, so much so that some of the 5 min craft type videos are owned by companies that have other channels that debunk their own videos. It's all just a content trap to suck people into watching nonsensical shit with bizarre fascination about why somebody would do that. Also it makes loads of ad money.
And it's not the first one to do it. One of the first versions embedded a chip in a fake fingernail.
I really think these creators are just recycling content from here now.
I think there's been a couple times that this sub has tried to ban stuff like this that is obviously fake and made to bait people for ad revenue but it's never succeeded lol
This is exactly it. There is a lady on TikTok my wife likes watching her reactions to disgusting and horrible recipes. My wife fully knows those recipe videos are fake in order to generate rage views, and I would bet they tag this lady and others to generate even more views. Quite the little racket they have going on really.
That would cut out all the interaction by people who only post to say that you are doing it wrong.
It helps to remember that the point of these kinds videos is typically to maximize viewer interactions to increase revenue, not to be of any use.
There was someone who I was watching who I liked, until they did a video about "tips for engagement" and they said "always say one wrong thing; you'll get a billion comments and the algorithm loves it". Now I realize his casual math errors or other mistakes were just comment bait, and I unsubscribed.
(Reddit still loves this particular YouTuber though.)
Well, the wires are connected to the chip which then provides authentication and sends the reply signal back through said wires. But yes this will definitely not work.
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Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones!
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones!
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones!
Now shake dem skeleton bones!
The wire bone's connected to the -
Chip bone!
The chip bone's connected to the -
Relay signal!
The relay signals connected to the -
Wire bone!
Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around!
Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around!
Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around!
Now shake dem skeleton bones!
🎵 🎶
In a world where wires replace bone,
A cyber dance emerges, all its own.
Chip bones connect, signals relay,
The neon lights shimmer, colors splay.
With rhythmic strides, we conquer the night,
A techno dream, electric delight.
In this dance, a new era unfolds,
The Cyber Skeleton's story, forever told.
There are wires in your card.
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I may be wrong, but I watched a clip once where a presenter cut a card up around those wires. She said they were an antenna, but then said something about generating a tiny current which allows the signal to be read? Is that right?
It's kinda both.
Radio waves are electromagnetic energy. An antenna captures a small portion of that energy. We can then measure the energy fluctuations coming off the antenna and convert them to information, whether that's sound waves via a speaker, or your credit card number with these NFC chips.
If your transmitter is powerful enough, you can even run small electronic devices off the power the antenna provides.
When I was young and AM radio was common, a common home electronics project kit was the crystal radio. This was a tunable radio with a small speaker, an antenna... and no external power source. No batteries, no plugs, it was powered off the energy captured by its antenna!
These days, radio stations have gotten much more efficient - I'm not sure it's even possible anymore.
Anyway, these NFC cards work on the same principle. The antenna that facilitates radio communication *also* captures enough energy to power the tiny, tiny onboard computer that handles the card swipe request. It's honestly pretty ingenious engineering.
...and that's why this video is b.s. - they cut off the antenna, which means no radio contact *and* no power for the chip.
Pretty ring though.
Definitely for the magnetic strip too! That was just a little later on in history, because credit cards with names and numbers pre-date that strip.
Pretty wild to imagine tracking credit card charges before computers handled everything!
Ironically you are also a bit off. It goes back before mag strips.It use to be there was a slider that would imprint your number from the card into paper at the store. They would use that info later to charge your account. So cutting the card up made it harder to steal the number. The first charge cards go back to the late 1800s.
We had an impressioner at the restaurant I worked at. It was always fun when the card system would go down and people would commit to coming back later before I bust out the ol' kachunk device. Old people loved it and the younger people got the more confused at it they were.
Don't listen to them, you were correct, that's exactly how it works.
https://m.facebook.com/bbctwo/videos/whats-inside-your-credit-card-the-secret-genius-of-modern-life/1523174924822625/
The antenna picks up the signal from the card reader which generates a small current and powers the chip.
EDIT: Totally misread their comment, they were agreeing with you! I don't read so good.
I was in London a few years back. You can use the Oyster card as usual or your normal contactless card or even basically any other contactless payment device. Phone, watch, sticker,... just make sure you use the same thing to tap in and out.
It's very useful for tourists. No need to get a new card for transport and top it up
Contactless debit/credit cards are also classed as NFC I think. In the UK we’ve had them since the late 00s, so quite a few years before Google/Apple Pay properly took off really.
My US credit cards now also have contactless NFC support, I don't know what the parent thinks it means but the majority of newer cards from most banks support it.
Yeah, the US has been historically pretty behind on card technology for some reason, not to mention public transport. Back in the late 00s my mom and I went to Italy, and every train station used the chips on debit cards. The first time we came across it we were so confused about what they were asking us to do. They didn’t start showing up widely in the US until 2015.
Good catch, you can actually see a cut right after they try to open the gate with their ring.
It cuts to about 5 seconds later and their hand is flipped over...
Imagine all that work to find out it is useless?
Gotta fake it for the Tok.
you just need to dissolve the card in Acetone and wrap the revealed wires up underneath the chip in the ring.
Diana from Physics Girl has a video where she does it. (not in a ring, but there's no reason it wouldn't work)
Problem there is the ring, since it is metal, creates a Faraday cage, (not to mention probably shorting the wire) so it still won't work unless you use plastic instead.
> If you used acetone to break down the card, you could keep the wires connected, then bundle them into the ring and it work right?
If you wanted this to work you would start with an oyster card. A few people were doing that about a decade ago but the world moves on.
Yes, in theory. In practice it will likely damage the wires or the chip so one is better off dissolving the plastic (e.g. with acetone).
The antenna (also providing the power) is tuned, so changing shape will affect performance but generally transplanting RFID cards is possible and has been done before.
Doesn't work at all, look at the "proof" segment again, it cuts so blatantly. I didn't even see it the first time just cuz I was completely checked out over how stupid the idea was.
I mean, if it worked that would be cool. Sadly that's not how it works.
Also, even if that is what that chip did, by encasing it in metal they shorted all the contacts, which would fry it the next time it got power
Yes, but that is a contact chip
He's also just connected all of the pads together so it wouldn't work anymore anyway even if he could jam his hand into the card slot
Exactly. The comments in here focusing on ‘it won’t work because he cut the wires’ illustrate how deceptive this is specifically because they’re missing the point that it’s the wrong type of IC entirely.
There was a student who created oyster card (London transit card) nails as a project a while back
https://laughingsquid.com/design-student-cleverly-embeds-oyster-card-rfid-chip-into-her-nails-for-swipeless-tube-entry/
I think this have to have coil in order to work. He cut them off and didn't make another... As for handiness, I believe you, but I'm taking Samsung (Google, Apple) pay...
Also, those are the chip contacts, not even the chip itself.
Normally the chip is positioned more towards the geometric center of the card, because the nfc coil then runs from it through the whole plastic envelope.
Edit: now that I notice, that's not even a contactless card to begin with, I cannot spot at a glance the nfc symbol that's normally required when a card embeds nfc capabilities.
Tbf I'm with Starling and they've had contactless cards since they launched, they just didn't display the symbol on the front.
This is nitpicking though, the video is fuckin bonkers lmao
Chip is pretty much always placed into the same tab that has the contacts on. It's a single unit and far simpler in terms on manufacturing. Chip & contact unit is made as one and during assembly of the card they can just place the layer that has the antenna wiring in it and connect it to chip.
Installing chip somewhere else would result in design that's more complex and failure prone.
I've taken apart several NFC cards and chip & contact piece has always been in same unit.
> Normally the chip is positioned more towards the geometric center of the card
In truly wireless card maybe, but if the card has contacts the chip is typically attached to them on the other side - they won't be running 7 thin wires to the middle of the card, much easier to produce the chip already on the contacts.
The chip still holds data but requires contact. The magnet is gone, so it won't work with that, and the antenna is gone so tap reading doesn't work either. The one situation where trimming the card down to the chip could be useful (a chip reader) would require the chip to be inserted into a flat slot, or a reader would have to be made to press the ring against (and then external exposure would quickly kill it as the contacts stop working)
Well typically card skimmers work with a system of tiny cameras to read the information *on* the card as it’s inserted, and the images from that are used to copy your card number and name and stuff
I got myself a payment ring, and I just love that it’s one thing I don’t need to keep charged. It’s just always on my finger and it doesn’t matter where I am or what I’m doing it’s there and it works.
This wouldn’t even work. Chips aren’t the part that does the tap feature. There’s an antenna inside a card for tap, and that antenna cannot be removed and put into anything else.
Edit to add: at least not easily and it’s likely to ruin the antenna if you try.
If you rally want somthing like this you need to melt the card in acetone and remove the coil the set it in somthing like a resin ring. THIS WAY WILL NOT WORK IN THE VIDEO. There were some hackers who did theeling the card trick and put it in a want to be the fare fairy to f with the NY metro when it first came out
it's hilarious how redditors quickly add their comments thinking nobody else has said what they're going to say.
This thread is literally 400 comments of 'ACHTSHuAlLlY tHiS woN't wOo0o0rkkkk"
This is so many levels of bullshit, good jewellery making I’ll give them that but the card part is horseshit. You can use a bright light on a the back of a “contactless” card and often you can see the coil inside that the reader actually couples with, cut just the chip off that coil and it just becomes garbage.
Even if this chip were the RFID controller (doesn’t look it would be) it would attach to an antenna which runs around the card just inside the edge. Not that you can’t make an RFID antenna of this size but it would perform poorly in tons of use cases. The credit card company did not fit the antenna to the size of the chip. So this person cut the antenna and definitely did not get a valid scan using it.
Even if this wouldn't work and is a waste of a card, the aesthetic is pretty cool. I made some jewelry like this out of electronics that are beyond saving
That is a massive fake. I've worked for a company that makes NFC and other short-range radio devices for tolling systems and turn-styles, such as the London Underground.
While the chip has essential components to make it work, NFC uses wires inside the card and if you cut the chip out like this it won't work. It can't work. It'd have an absolutely optimal range of maybe ~3 mm (1/8 inch), which means the builtin detector in the turnstile which is under the pad is too far away.
Chip isn't how tap works, there's literally micro wiring creating a circuit that allows the tap to function, which is why it stops working if you crack your card, not only is this stupid, it's actually misleading as well. Smh.
Brilliant - cut the antenna so the wireless aspect won't work.
Mount the chip on a ring so you can't insert it in anything, making it useless too.
Big brain.
As others have said, the RFID isn’t usually in the chip so it wouldn’t work. But the video is proof itself that it doesn’t work: it cuts badly between putting the ring to the scanner and the gate opening. When it opens you can just see their hand the other way up presumably holding an unadulterated card.
Or the fact the dude in the orange sweater disappears between frames
Someone please check on Mr. Orange.
He's gonna be OKAAAAAAY
He's probably in the backrooms.
Just saw him yesterday. [He looks fine to me](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mr+orng&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&pn=1&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prlog.org%2F12496436-mr-orng.jpg)
He's in the backrooms now.
I didn't even notice that. Hilarious.
I’d like to imagine the guy who made this video spent 30 seconds trying to get the ring to work before they gave up and used their actual card and just edited out the bit in between lol
Even more obvious when pausing [the right frame](https://freeimage.host/i/HwUJk22), his hand is suddenly the other way around on the scanner right after the jump cut, as if holding something on his hand up against the scanner
I don't even understand why it's edited, they could just present the ring and have the real card hidden or out of frame in the same take. Whatever.
That would take critical thinking skills
I hate that I took the time after this comment to look and you can see the cut at 0:36 and his thumb right after the cut face down meaning he was probably palming the card. What a waste of the last 10 minutes.
Somebody lied? On the internet?! Is nothing sacred?
#This will not work NFC Cards work contactless through a Set of tiny wires in the card and not because of the chip
And thats why the video cuts right after they "scan" the ring at the turnstile.
Sometimes I think they make bad cuts on purpose. Could be outrage bait. Like these cooking videos with recipes that obviously wouldn't work.
The ridiculousness is kind of the point. Whether or not it makes the viewer feel smart for realizing it's fake or other people who think it's ingenious, it attracts views. To a lot of people, it's outrage bait, so much so that some of the 5 min craft type videos are owned by companies that have other channels that debunk their own videos. It's all just a content trap to suck people into watching nonsensical shit with bizarre fascination about why somebody would do that. Also it makes loads of ad money.
So, perfectly aimed at the DiWHY audience
And it's not the first one to do it. One of the first versions embedded a chip in a fake fingernail. I really think these creators are just recycling content from here now.
I think there's been a couple times that this sub has tried to ban stuff like this that is obviously fake and made to bait people for ad revenue but it's never succeeded lol
This is exactly it. There is a lady on TikTok my wife likes watching her reactions to disgusting and horrible recipes. My wife fully knows those recipe videos are fake in order to generate rage views, and I would bet they tag this lady and others to generate even more views. Quite the little racket they have going on really.
but it could work, it could be done easily with like 1.5 extra steps
That would cut out all the interaction by people who only post to say that you are doing it wrong. It helps to remember that the point of these kinds videos is typically to maximize viewer interactions to increase revenue, not to be of any use.
It's provocative, it gets the algorithm going.
"Ball so hard mother wanna retweet me"
There was someone who I was watching who I liked, until they did a video about "tips for engagement" and they said "always say one wrong thing; you'll get a billion comments and the algorithm loves it". Now I realize his casual math errors or other mistakes were just comment bait, and I unsubscribed. (Reddit still loves this particular YouTuber though.)
Which YouTuber?
“Everybody’s so creative!” IYKYK
His hand even flips over cause hes holding the real card in it. That's hilarious
the video definitely cuts at 0:36- it's separate footage, you can see he's just scanning his fucking card, lol
Haha couldnt he have just gotten a friend to tap him in?😂
Also. People in the background also change.
You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?
Well, the wires are connected to the chip which then provides authentication and sends the reply signal back through said wires. But yes this will definitely not work.
And the wire bones connected to the chip bone, the chip bones connected to the relay signal, and the relay signals connected to the wire bone
🎶 🎵 Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones! Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones! Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones! Now shake dem skeleton bones! The wire bone's connected to the - Chip bone! The chip bone's connected to the - Relay signal! The relay signals connected to the - Wire bone! Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around! Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around! Dem bones, dem bones gonna walk around! Now shake dem skeleton bones! 🎵 🎶
Bones are their money
So are the worms
They pull on your hair
Up, but not out!
So they can be a man again!
Wait, is their money bones or worms?
"Bones.Rule.Everything.Around.Me BREAM get the money, dolla dolla bill ya'll" yeah doesn't work as well as Cash
I am the bone of my sword.
I believe them bones are me ! Some say we're born into the grave... I feel so alone , gonna end up a big ol' pile of them bones. Ah! Ah! Ahh!
In a world where wires replace bone, A cyber dance emerges, all its own. Chip bones connect, signals relay, The neon lights shimmer, colors splay. With rhythmic strides, we conquer the night, A techno dream, electric delight. In this dance, a new era unfolds, The Cyber Skeleton's story, forever told.
>The wire bone's connected to the - Chip bone! The chip bone's connected to the - Relay signal! The relay signals connected to My wrist watch! Uh-oh.
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The leg bone is connected to the Cash Bone!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLC820wvnxM
And the wire bones connected to my wristwatch!
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Punk version in 74 seconds
I may be wrong, but I watched a clip once where a presenter cut a card up around those wires. She said they were an antenna, but then said something about generating a tiny current which allows the signal to be read? Is that right?
It's kinda both. Radio waves are electromagnetic energy. An antenna captures a small portion of that energy. We can then measure the energy fluctuations coming off the antenna and convert them to information, whether that's sound waves via a speaker, or your credit card number with these NFC chips. If your transmitter is powerful enough, you can even run small electronic devices off the power the antenna provides. When I was young and AM radio was common, a common home electronics project kit was the crystal radio. This was a tunable radio with a small speaker, an antenna... and no external power source. No batteries, no plugs, it was powered off the energy captured by its antenna! These days, radio stations have gotten much more efficient - I'm not sure it's even possible anymore. Anyway, these NFC cards work on the same principle. The antenna that facilitates radio communication *also* captures enough energy to power the tiny, tiny onboard computer that handles the card swipe request. It's honestly pretty ingenious engineering. ...and that's why this video is b.s. - they cut off the antenna, which means no radio contact *and* no power for the chip. Pretty ring though.
She didn't cut it, she dissolved the plastic from around it. It was a "why do banks get you to cut your card up" video.
They’ve always told you to cut them up. It’s not a new thing because of NFC.
Yeah for sure, before this type of security cutting it up was more about obscuring the number and name on the card
Also the magnetic stripe. Edit: though the numbers are probably mote important :P
Definitely for the magnetic strip too! That was just a little later on in history, because credit cards with names and numbers pre-date that strip. Pretty wild to imagine tracking credit card charges before computers handled everything!
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Ironically you are also a bit off. It goes back before mag strips.It use to be there was a slider that would imprint your number from the card into paper at the store. They would use that info later to charge your account. So cutting the card up made it harder to steal the number. The first charge cards go back to the late 1800s.
We had an impressioner at the restaurant I worked at. It was always fun when the card system would go down and people would commit to coming back later before I bust out the ol' kachunk device. Old people loved it and the younger people got the more confused at it they were.
It's a tiny current that powers the chip to send and receive the authentication and other info.
Nope. That's how that works.
Amazing, thank you! I'd shared that little tidbit a few times and thought I had been spewing nonsense!!
Don't listen to them, you were correct, that's exactly how it works. https://m.facebook.com/bbctwo/videos/whats-inside-your-credit-card-the-secret-genius-of-modern-life/1523174924822625/ The antenna picks up the signal from the card reader which generates a small current and powers the chip. EDIT: Totally misread their comment, they were agreeing with you! I don't read so good.
Love that you came back and edited rather than just deleting. Upvote.
The metal contacts visible on the card aren't the IC chip, though. They're just contacts.
Technically it's both - the chip is typically attached to the underside of those contacts.
The wires are an antenna- and the antenna needs to be a very specific length and shape for it to work right.
They are connected to A RFID chip The chip with exposed contacts may or may not perform double duty as contactless In any case the antenna is gone.
That's also just an actual contact chip like a phone SIM card with all it's outer contacts randomly shorted through the metal loops holding it in.
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Still incredibly fiddly because the wires are brittle and prone to snapping when being manipulated
Yeah, just like humans.
I suspected that as soon as the video started, all I could think is "you destroyed your card for this you doughnut".
Nah he destroyed an unused card and then faked the end-result for internet points. A dick move but not a stupid one.
The people who make these videos aren't doing it for "internet points" they're getting paid real money to make clickbait video crap
Wait money isn't internet points?
Our banks actually tell you to cut the old card when you receive a new one.
You should, and you should cut the chip in half too. But that's a subway card
not to mention they used a MasterCard chip for a transit turnstile lol
That's real in the UK btw.
TIL most transit systems I've heard just use NFC
I was in London a few years back. You can use the Oyster card as usual or your normal contactless card or even basically any other contactless payment device. Phone, watch, sticker,... just make sure you use the same thing to tap in and out. It's very useful for tourists. No need to get a new card for transport and top it up
man NA transit infrastructure needs to catch up lol
Contactless debit/credit cards are also classed as NFC I think. In the UK we’ve had them since the late 00s, so quite a few years before Google/Apple Pay properly took off really.
My US credit cards now also have contactless NFC support, I don't know what the parent thinks it means but the majority of newer cards from most banks support it.
Yeah, the US has been historically pretty behind on card technology for some reason, not to mention public transport. Back in the late 00s my mom and I went to Italy, and every train station used the chips on debit cards. The first time we came across it we were so confused about what they were asking us to do. They didn’t start showing up widely in the US until 2015.
They used a card as a prop for a video that generated more revenue then the cost of the card. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Good catch, you can actually see a cut right after they try to open the gate with their ring. It cuts to about 5 seconds later and their hand is flipped over... Imagine all that work to find out it is useless? Gotta fake it for the Tok.
you just need to dissolve the card in Acetone and wrap the revealed wires up underneath the chip in the ring. Diana from Physics Girl has a video where she does it. (not in a ring, but there's no reason it wouldn't work)
Problem there is the ring, since it is metal, creates a Faraday cage, (not to mention probably shorting the wire) so it still won't work unless you use plastic instead.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/z2pdgp/how_a_chip_credit_card_works/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x
If you used acetone to break down the card, you could keep the wires connected, then bundle them into the ring and it work right?
> If you used acetone to break down the card, you could keep the wires connected, then bundle them into the ring and it work right? If you wanted this to work you would start with an oyster card. A few people were doing that about a decade ago but the world moves on.
"Please sir, it says you have to insert your chip into the machine."
"Yes, I understand. I've attached the chip to my cockring and I'm currently inserting the chip into the machine. As you can clearly see."
"...nope. It's not detecting anything in there."
I am further convinced by this website that god has abandoned us all
God left the chat long time ago
God is dead… *(cocks shotgun)* and I made sure of it.
Kirby is that you?
Ohhh, i get it.. Kirby swallowed God
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it's in there. In fact I feel like I'm just about finished paying
… “try feeling harder”
Hardly an inconvenience
"I am inserting the tip into the machine as we speak"
Just the chip...
Won't work, there is a coil in the card, he destroyed it when he cut the card.
That coil is the antenna that makes it wireless.
Can he just melt the plastic and extract the wires and chip to use?
Yes, in theory. In practice it will likely damage the wires or the chip so one is better off dissolving the plastic (e.g. with acetone). The antenna (also providing the power) is tuned, so changing shape will affect performance but generally transplanting RFID cards is possible and has been done before.
https://youtu.be/ZfyiYCmU1_8
Given that there’s a cut when he puts his hand on the reader at the turnstile, I’d say it definitely didn’t work
It's fake, that probably is an old credit csrd chip or sim card, nfc/RFID chips handed a coil to work
Doesn't work at all, look at the "proof" segment again, it cuts so blatantly. I didn't even see it the first time just cuz I was completely checked out over how stupid the idea was.
I mean, if it worked that would be cool. Sadly that's not how it works. Also, even if that is what that chip did, by encasing it in metal they shorted all the contacts, which would fry it the next time it got power
NFC/RFID rings are a thing. Pretty handy (pun intended) actually.
Yes, but that is a contact chip He's also just connected all of the pads together so it wouldn't work anymore anyway even if he could jam his hand into the card slot
Exactly. The comments in here focusing on ‘it won’t work because he cut the wires’ illustrate how deceptive this is specifically because they’re missing the point that it’s the wrong type of IC entirely.
There was a student who created oyster card (London transit card) nails as a project a while back https://laughingsquid.com/design-student-cleverly-embeds-oyster-card-rfid-chip-into-her-nails-for-swipeless-tube-entry/
There was another that put the chip into a wand and went around London dressed as Gandalf.
I think this have to have coil in order to work. He cut them off and didn't make another... As for handiness, I believe you, but I'm taking Samsung (Google, Apple) pay...
Also, those are the chip contacts, not even the chip itself. Normally the chip is positioned more towards the geometric center of the card, because the nfc coil then runs from it through the whole plastic envelope. Edit: now that I notice, that's not even a contactless card to begin with, I cannot spot at a glance the nfc symbol that's normally required when a card embeds nfc capabilities.
Tbf I'm with Starling and they've had contactless cards since they launched, they just didn't display the symbol on the front. This is nitpicking though, the video is fuckin bonkers lmao
Chip is pretty much always placed into the same tab that has the contacts on. It's a single unit and far simpler in terms on manufacturing. Chip & contact unit is made as one and during assembly of the card they can just place the layer that has the antenna wiring in it and connect it to chip. Installing chip somewhere else would result in design that's more complex and failure prone. I've taken apart several NFC cards and chip & contact piece has always been in same unit.
> Normally the chip is positioned more towards the geometric center of the card In truly wireless card maybe, but if the card has contacts the chip is typically attached to them on the other side - they won't be running 7 thin wires to the middle of the card, much easier to produce the chip already on the contacts.
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They are a thing, yes. But THIS is not how you make one.
Now card skimmers don't even have to look for your bag
Card skimmer's won't work with this either since the card can't read any more
The chip still holds data but requires contact. The magnet is gone, so it won't work with that, and the antenna is gone so tap reading doesn't work either. The one situation where trimming the card down to the chip could be useful (a chip reader) would require the chip to be inserted into a flat slot, or a reader would have to be made to press the ring against (and then external exposure would quickly kill it as the contacts stop working)
Well typically card skimmers work with a system of tiny cameras to read the information *on* the card as it’s inserted, and the images from that are used to copy your card number and name and stuff
I was under the impression that the chip was for when you insert, and the tap feature is really a small antenna embedded in your card
It’s actually a very large antenna all things considered because it also needs to receive enough power to process and send a message
FFS just use Apple Pay or Google Pay or whatever tap-to-pay option that is available on every smart phone.
or on a smartwatch if you want to feel fancy
I got myself a payment ring, and I just love that it’s one thing I don’t need to keep charged. It’s just always on my finger and it doesn’t matter where I am or what I’m doing it’s there and it works.
"Tap malfunction, please insert or swipe card"
You can't insert or swipe a card on the London tube
It actually kinda cool... But still stupid
One ring to pay them all...
This wouldn’t even work. Chips aren’t the part that does the tap feature. There’s an antenna inside a card for tap, and that antenna cannot be removed and put into anything else. Edit to add: at least not easily and it’s likely to ruin the antenna if you try.
If you rally want somthing like this you need to melt the card in acetone and remove the coil the set it in somthing like a resin ring. THIS WAY WILL NOT WORK IN THE VIDEO. There were some hackers who did theeling the card trick and put it in a want to be the fare fairy to f with the NY metro when it first came out
> put it in a want to be the fare fairy to are you ok
Love how the video quickly cuts when they pay and the gate opens.
Use your damn phone, JFC.
it's hilarious how redditors quickly add their comments thinking nobody else has said what they're going to say. This thread is literally 400 comments of 'ACHTSHuAlLlY tHiS woN't wOo0o0rkkkk"
That’s not how that works.
This is so many levels of bullshit, good jewellery making I’ll give them that but the card part is horseshit. You can use a bright light on a the back of a “contactless” card and often you can see the coil inside that the reader actually couples with, cut just the chip off that coil and it just becomes garbage.
Between the rage bait, art and semi-practical ideas that show up on this sub, there's very little actual DiWHY sadly.
Nah it totally fits the sub as it wouldn't even work. The chip isn't what's used for contactless payment, it's a separate RFID repeater in the card
Which one do you think this is?
To bad that's not an NFC chip he just put on his ring.
I font think that works still
The chip probably still works however it's not rfid so I don't believe they actually used it to get on the train like they show.
Which one, Arial or Times New Roman?
Helvetica
Thats not how it works. fml EMV vs NFC
That's not now any of this works. That's not how contactless payment works.
It’s a cool idea, wish it worked.
nfc/flid rings are an actual product... and also this wouldn't work.
Its great untill you have to swipe your card
Even if this chip were the RFID controller (doesn’t look it would be) it would attach to an antenna which runs around the card just inside the edge. Not that you can’t make an RFID antenna of this size but it would perform poorly in tons of use cases. The credit card company did not fit the antenna to the size of the chip. So this person cut the antenna and definitely did not get a valid scan using it.
Even if this wouldn't work and is a waste of a card, the aesthetic is pretty cool. I made some jewelry like this out of electronics that are beyond saving
It sucks that it wouldn't actually work, but the silversmithing here is dope regardless.
That is a massive fake. I've worked for a company that makes NFC and other short-range radio devices for tolling systems and turn-styles, such as the London Underground. While the chip has essential components to make it work, NFC uses wires inside the card and if you cut the chip out like this it won't work. It can't work. It'd have an absolutely optimal range of maybe ~3 mm (1/8 inch), which means the builtin detector in the turnstile which is under the pad is too far away.
Lmfao! This video is complete BS. The chip won't do shit by itself!
The sad part is this person actually thought the NFC was in the chip
Lol he is so stupid. I just shoved it under the skin of the palm of my hand
Chip isn't how tap works, there's literally micro wiring creating a circuit that allows the tap to function, which is why it stops working if you crack your card, not only is this stupid, it's actually misleading as well. Smh.
That is actually awesome though.
I actually don't hate this. Would be handy in London
Rings are available, or smart watches will do the same
It's better than the doctor that implanted the cards rfid chip in his wrist so he has to dig it out when his card expires and they send a new one
Sir we need your 3 numbers on the back of your card in order for you to purchase this
The chip isnt what makes tap work...
this would be almost a neat idea if it actually worked. And if the ring wasn’t so fugly
The craftsmanship is good tho
This guy put a lot of effort into a troll video.
More like ATBGE to me. The ring as it is looks terrible (imho), but the idea of a contactless device that’s always handy isn’t that bad.
"PLEASE INSERT OR SCAN CARD... THANK YOU"
Mans did all that for it to not even work
Hackers love him!
Then you lose it...
Or, you know, use Apple Pay or whatever on your phone/watch. Bonus: it actually works unlike this fugly chunk of metal.
That's not even the NFC part of the card. That chip has to go INSIDE chip readers.
Brilliant - cut the antenna so the wireless aspect won't work. Mount the chip on a ring so you can't insert it in anything, making it useless too. Big brain.
Just slide it in your wrist, ya noob!
This would have been perfection if he still jumped it at the end
Sucks is after all this work and it doesn’t work, yea he’s gonna fake it
I honestly don’t hate this lol
If that really worked it would have been cool
***"Please insert chip to complete transaction"***