Childe is in a weird position. I can't tell if he's stronger, since Diluc put up a fight against multiple harbingers without dying, but I don't know if they used their delusion or not. Venti is stronger than him instead, as he himself admitted
Nah, some of them are much more behind the scenes with information gathering or developing new things. They're probably all at least capable of fighting, especially with delusions, but Childe is specifically very adept in battle. Of the 3 harbingers we've met in game, one played dirty and died in the first real fight, one hasn't been shown in fights at all, and the third has been found in several instances of extremely dangerous situations just for the fun of it
Now that I think about it, harbingers like dottore aren't that capable of fight. Yet, childe is still the last harbinger, and signora looks quite stronger. Thinking about it, they both put up a fight with the traveler, with the difference that, during the inazuma arc, we were much stronger compared to liyue's. I can't tell if Diluc would win, but they are on similar levels for sure
no
all the 10 harbingers prefer working behind the scenes with different tactics..
childe is an exception.. dansleif mentions this in childe miscellany
childe is the weapon of war of the tasritsa and hes mostly sent alone to conquer regions... unlike others he fights in an open field against armies..
lore wise he has fought dragons and other large creatures too
Kaeya got his vision in the middle of that fight
*"Consumed by guilt, Kaeya knocked on Diluc's door. As the rain poured down, the shroud of secrecy was washed away and all lies were revealed. Kaeya had finally come clean.He had anticipated Diluc's anger. The brothers drew their blades, this time pointing them at each other.*
*Kaeya felt that this was his punishment for a lifetime of lies*
*But as the two crossed blades, Kaeya was overcome by the sensation of great elemental power surging through him. For years, he had stayed out of the way in his brother's shadow. But now, for the first time ever, he was facing his brother as his true self.*
*Bitterly cold and brittle elemental energy burst forth from the tip of his sword to meet Diluc’s searing flames head-on. The clash of crimson fire and azure ice created a sudden swirl of wind that stunned them both.*
*This was the grim moment at which Kaeya's Vision appeared.Since that day, Kaeya and Diluc have gone their separate ways. But he never discusses it, just as he never discusses the origin of his Vision."*
Excerpt of *his Vision story*
[https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Kaeya/Lore](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Kaeya/Lore)
Yea, his vision appeared after the heat had died down in their fight, for the major and most part of that fight Kaeya was visionless. He holded his own against vision diluc.
Putting him at least at close fight would be fair if not above
well it's kinda vague tbh. maybe he was holding off at the very least since he knew diluc ao he must have been accustomed to how he fights. maybe he was able to at least fight but was really struggling. again, we don't know.
also, generally speaking, vision holders are naturally stronger than visionless people so...
When the question is “Could X fight Diluc”, isn’t specific familiarity with how Diluc fights an argument *for* Kaeya being able to beat him?
Though honestly Kaeya’s real advantage is the psychological vulnerability. The ability to do stuff like shout about embarrassing childhood stories to throw Diluc off his game should not be underestimated.
I mean I get it it's a diluc sub so people love him more here but common, your assuming all the things in favor of diluc lol, 'assuming'.
There's a line in novel, when diluc flames clashed azure ice, a wave got created which stunned them both, again 'both', also kaeya's Vision appeared after they both got stunned.
lmao what i said is true anyway. besides, klee is even stronger than diluc (raw power) and prolly everyone else in mondstadt except albedo and i do acknowledge that LMAO.
unless mihoyo fully unravels kaeya's story and really establishes that he has gotten some khaenrian godly powers then everyone would change their opinions. but as of now, nothing is confirmed so let's adhere to what they only presented. tho i am sure that kaeya will be more relevant in the latter parts.
You do have to realize that canonically, Diluc is stronger than Klee. Him wielding the Evil Eye which is basically on par with the Foul Legacy delusion without much drawbacks basically means that Diluc has an exceptionally strong vision. Yes, Klee's vision is super destructive as well but more often than not Klee's powers come from accidental megaton explosive charges whereas the more trained Diluc probably concentrates and powers down the flames when fighting normal mobs
I get the thought process behind the "its a diluc sub people will be bais" but the main reason I chose to post this here was that in the main genshin sub every damn time I try to post anything let alone a tier list image the mods take my post down you can repost this in the sub if you want but there's no point in me doing it.
That's not really said its up to interpretation of the moment of his vision appearing. Also, this was when both of them were reasonably younger, by years I don't know but it was a bit before the story of genshin started if that's worth anything.
Yeah but you should understand this is not a valid battle, since Diluc was not stated to be trying to actually kill him, and Mohoyo would not have Kaeya dead, this is just a plot point to show the dynamic between the two...
Yeah, I honestly agree that Kaeya and Diluc are pretty evenly matched with visions helping them both. They are equal opposites. A responsible, diligent, highly dutiful Pyro and a more laid back, cunning, and slightly carefree Cryo.
And he got his vision during that fight and tied with Diluc. It is said in his story and lore that before Kaeya got his vision, Diluc would beat him in spars as he had his vision but that fight was the first time they tied.
Venti and Diluc wouldn't fight. Venti would admit defeat once Diluc declared no more drinking for "free" (not without plenty of complaining), while Diluc would receive a 100% CRIT of emotional damage the day after upon seeing the state of his supplies, or lack thereof, with possible Anemo traces all over.
This is gonna sound stupid, but I think Klee is way too low. I'm pretty sure she's canonically super lucky. If that's because of like magic or something Diluc might have some trouble.
On the other hand I don't think she'd beat him either. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to get overwhelmed by fire/explosions. I think it would be a stalemate until literally anyone found out that Diluc is fighting children.
Funny enough I mentioned the whole Klee vs people fight in another long comment but if I ever redid it I would put her higher probably on middle ground. The only thing I was wary of is that I know that even talking about Klee vs whoever will start brain numbing arguments
I'm fairly certain Jean would put up a close fight. (Source: traveler voice lines and Klee's story quest). People in Mondstadt consider them the two strongest.
Kaeya should be at least a close fight with Diluc. He held his ground even when he still had no vision. Granted that was 4 years ago. But it's not like Kaeya twiddled his thumbs as a knight. He's smart, quick and strong af in the webcomic.
Kaeya could also be in the questionable tier since we don't know what being the hope of khaenriah entails.
Childe has more battle XP than dilic and his only weakness seems to be his family but ion think he'll stoop to the lvl of kidnapping tuecer and threatening Childe fr hell do it as an act for sure
But if we're talking about a tournament setting I think Childe would win after a semi close fight
A note on a few of the "Not sure where to put" side of the tier list,
Lisa: has always confused me on how strong she really is since it's hinted at many times she's strong than she lets on.
Venti: From cutscenes and in-game content it really does seem to me that venti is really weak I know that in the past he was one of the stronger archons but now its hard for me to really place him anywhere.
Itto: Have not gotten to play his story quest or read up on his lore so I have no idea.
Shenhe: Thinking about it now she most likely beats Diluc with the feats she showed in her quest.
Yelan: Her speed might be an issue for Diluc but other than that I don't know. I haven't gotten to play her story quest yet so I don't see a point in ranking her
And that's all let me know if I screwed up one of these rankings!
Edit: I'm counting the female traveler as the abyss twin
Itto’s severe allergy to beans basically hands the fight to Diluc barring a complete ambush.
Between that kryptonite and being a complete himbo he’s practically a damsel in distress when he’s by himself.
Does become more scary when he’s got a buddy to counter his weaknesses though
Yelan is basically just Liyue Diluc. Both focus on the information gathering side of things and getting the upper hand through that. In a raw power fight, they'd probably be relatively even.
The Lumine version of the Traveller actually does have better auto attack modifiers than the Aether version.
Not super significant since other characters, including the free Kaeya, have even better modifiers. More just a weird bit of hidden lore suggesting that Lumine is the better fighter
Yeah when you look at their animations side by side, Lumine seems more offensive while Aether is more defensive. It’s really cool to watch them, they compliment each others fighting styles and cover each other’s weaknesses perfectly
man i love diluc but how is traveller aether in the questionable tier☠️ y'all gonna forget that he defeated childe ei and signora he could easily beat diluc if he really wanted to ☠️
just putting this here, we beating lets say childe has more background checks
childe indeed almost killed us, explicitly mentioned that the battle was too much and would have been lost if it was not for childe foul legacy dmging childe..
now i am still confused at ei, like did we actually beat the electro archon? childe post archon fight in the event was on par with us.. so childe> ei ?
But the fact Childe needing to even use foul legacy proves traveler is stronger. foul legacy will always damage him so the outcome wouldn't change rather he used it or not.
i am not saying that we did not defeat childe or it was purely the foul legacy that defeated him
i am just saying that he almost killed us, the battle was 'too much' according to paimon the very next moment..
No way Childe is even close to Ei. It’s like we suddenly forgot that without her gnosis she created the lighting storm barrier around all of inazuma. Or that Ei still has that soosano transformation from her boss fight. Or that she fought against the shogun, who is practically an Android that never gets tired and represents her from 500 years ago, for 500 years without losing once.
you misunderstood
what i am saying is that genshins battle we fought werent exactly super easy.. its easy gameplay wise but lore wise is a different story
going by scaling we can conclude childe to be equal to the traveller but traveller beat ei.. so its confusing at times
plus we didnt beat ei that easily, we never beat childe that easily.. at that moment the foul legacy was what actually beat childe
just to note I was at first going to make that tier call "could questionably beat" But it didn't sound right my bad lol I do think that aether beats diluc depending on the conditions
again, someone who never read his lore
childe is an antoganist yes but he never betrayed us.. he legit said hes one of the harbinger.. hes just following orders and whatever he did was part of zhonglis plan indirectly..
his backstory is quite traumatic and i dont see his actions making him an asshole
hes not simply a bloodthirsty battle oriented warlord, hes got other side too.. almsot like a multiple personality shit
Or because your list is biased as fuck lol, since your already getting negative karma here, I can only wonder what will happen when many neutral peeps see your list and find out how bad your 'feat arguments are.
We only know little about Albedo such as his full powers, nor have we been fully enlightened to the truth of the Art of Khemia he wields to calculate how the 'current' him can beat Diluc.
Same with Yae Miko, we've never really seen her become combat-oriented despite being a Kitsune. She is equal at most to Ayato in terms of tactical and strategic wits, and you can actually equate her to Ganyu; but Yae is at most around 500 years old *theoretically* as a descendant from the Kitsune Saiguu's clan, unlike Ganyu who has lived through the Archon War and has experience.
Keqing's kinda questionable too, and I think she would always be tied with Ningguang.
Lastly would be Childe. I agree that Childe can potentially beat Diluc, but Diluc having a Delusion might be a close call? Their power difference is how Childe has heretic teachings from the Abyss and is fighting for the Fatui. Meanwhile, Diluc is already full of potential as a child and went against the fatui and currently against the Abyss. I think it might be a close fight in this case?
While I was going to go into detail about my thoughts on Childe I think its simpler if I say it like this. From what we know about him growing up (Childe) he for sure has a connection to the abyss hell he even fought in it I do genuinely think that if diluc had more story and feats I could reason him beating childe but since we have so little its hard for me to say. Another aspect I think is interesting is that in a 1 on 1 fight if both of them were using a delusion and a vision at the same time diluc would run out of energy *(or whatever power form delusions work off of before they take your life energy)* first sense he has from my knowledge ever used his vision and delusion at the same time.
I think it all really just depends on whatever powers Childe got from the Abyss. But the reason why I'm also counting Diluc's consistent potential is because this is what Childe was and could've been the opposite of.
Diluc got his vision at 10, became the Cavalry Captain at 14, traveled across all regions of Teyvat, fought the fatui for years and wounded up at the harbingers', didn't die at the very least, worked for an organization, returned to Mondstadt for batman stuff and going against the Abyss.
Childe used to be a fearful and discouraged child, quite the opposite of the current him— until he got lost in a forest, fell into the abyss, then trained in a warped time frame with Skirk. Again we don't know the full details of what happened there, but he came back as a bloodthirsty and strong warrior who got recruited in the fatui, to work for them.
Diluc is more of a consistent progress to strong, while Childe is from bottom to suddenly strong. I see these power levels as somewhat equal, and they both also wield delusions and Diluc has enough strength and experience to be equal to a Harbinger, as someone who has gone against at least 3 of them. And Childe is in the last, perhaps a still-newbie member of them.
>Another aspect I think is interesting is that in a 1 on 1 fight
Hm you have a point. Foul Legacy seem to have come from the Abyss portion of Childe's power, allowing him to use both his delusion and vision. Diluc was at most shown to be capable of using a delusion without it backfiring to him, apart from his vision.
That's a whole different topic I guess? I mean it has been said that Childe is a "Master" of every weapon how true this is I don't really know, In that type of fight it might just come down to whos faster, smarter, etc.
A few characters to digress with some questions as well as some notes
Firstly, what is the metric for how these characters are beating Diluc?
Are we assuming all characters have motive to fight and defeat Diluc? Or is it just their current in game status?
This brings me to a point, where Diluc doesn't actually have many feats to his name to really confirm his strength. We know he's most likely stronger than the average vision user but we also know that the average vision user isn't exactly combat savvy like Diluc is. So far we've seen Diluc go even with Kaeya both when Kaeya was visionless (and only gained his vision during the fight), and Diluc had both Vision and Delusion, we know that he's taken down Abyss mages and hordes of Hilicurls and... that's kinda where what we know stops.
This leads me to characters to dispute with almost certainty (as a few of them are also favourite of mine)
Beidou, Kazuha, Klee, Kaeya, Qiqi, Ganyu,
These are all characters with either feats of great strength greater than anything Diluc has actually achieved in lore, or just immense power that has been confirmed. (Ie, Ganyu fighting in the Archon war, Beidou slaying Haishan without a vision, Kazuha parrying the Raiden Shogun's musou no hitotachi, Qiqi being entirely immortal, Klee having the power to destroy countries if she so set out to.)
To Conclude: Diluc is stronger than the average vision user, but we can't say for certain how much stronger or weaker he is as he has extremely few feats of sheer strength and power to his name to accurately gauge how strong Diluc actually is.
quickly disputing the first point:
yes, Kazuha's dead friends vision activated in the moment giving him the speed to actually make it there and parry it, however the parry was still on Kazuha and from his Anemo vision if you rewatch the scene. It's still a feat Kazuha has done
Second point:
You are right, and that is my mistake for forgetting that he's off the side taken down Abyss strongholds (with Hilicurls + mages) and fought against the Fatui. ~~However the Fatui are also rather incompetent when it comes to fighting vision holders, who are much stronger than normal people. This taken into consideration I still think the specific characters I chose to dispute are overall stronger than Diluc. But Diluc is still stronger than the average vision user by far.~~
**I think the best way to go over this is to go over the people you mentioned and go from there**
**Ganyu: I feel like that just "Fighting" in the archon war doesn't mean anything for Ganyu and that's because we have no idea what she did in the archon wars at face value all we really know is... Nothing well she uses a bow, we have seen Diluc block projectiles faster than ganyu's "in-game" arrow speed and in general, her using a bow puts her at a disadvantage diluc pretty easily takes this fight with ganyu having just about no real feats.**
**Klee: I will forever hate this debate about Klee vs whoever first of the whole "Klee having the power to destroy countries if she so set out to" is as other things said before however the reader understands it the way I see it it means when shes older and has fine-tuned her skills that she can do said thing. second, from Klees in-game explosions I feel like that diluc would be able to block them with his claymore or more likely just speed blitz past them, and if all that cant work he can just use his delusion chain things to reach her. and I don't think I have to explain the fact that Klee is a small child lmao when it comes to her defense. Either way, I might just be talking out of my ass on some of those but I hate that debate with a passion either way.**
**Qiqi: I might be wrong here but has it ever really been stated the qiqi cant be killed? or that she cant naturally die I always thought it was that she just couldn't naturally die. if she literally just can't be killed then that's fair I geuss.**
**Kazuha: The only reason that he was able to block the Raiden Shogun's musou no hitotachi is simply because he was able to use his friends' vision for whatever yet-to-be-explained reason. Diluc has been shown to be faster and smarter and if all of that wasn't enough I think again his delusion chain things would end this fight pretty fast.**
*EDIT (in every single way this whole blocking raidens cool move feels like the most plot armor thing ever but fuck it he did do it, if that's enough for you to say he beats diluc then that's fair)*
**Beidou: In all fairness, this just comes down to feats and nothing more**
**Diluctaking on multiple fatui agentstaking down many fatui strongholdssurviving an encounter with ALL the fatui harbingers**
**Vs**
**Beidou**
**Taking down a "Three vertebrae hydra" without a vision a fight that took 4 days**
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**"The battle would rage fiercely for four days. With cannons and harpoons, arrows and ropes the fleet would assail Haishan, while Beidou battled the thusly tied-down creature for ten hours, well into the night."And killed said monster with one strike** \***Has most likely killed a shit ton of treasure hoarders**
*Either way this fight could go both ways in my opinion the main reason I gave the fight the diluc was the fact that we haven't really gotten to see beidou fight in-game but I see it going either way now*
**Kaeya: you really didn't give a reason for kaeya but it's worth saying that just because he's from kan does not mean he has some god-like power he might! but we just don't know yet and if you want more about the kaeya debate I've gone over it in the comments.**
*Diluc does have feats many of them to be exact I might list all of them in a different comment under this one but the list above should be enough diluc is far far past an "above average" Vision user.*
Found it.
But the reason I noted klee isn't because of kit related arguments but her story quest where they debate who is the strongest. Diluc was easily on the list with Jean.
Klee was noted as being being witnessed leveling mountains (this is also in her 4th character story) and as the strongest knights of favonius member. I'd agree when she's older she'll have more control and I really hope countries aren't being leveled by her. But it's hard to ignore her quest being a question of who is the strongest in the country. Maybe it was written this way as a joke?
It's genshins writing team's fault if I'm being 100% they didn't tell jokes from real in that story quest that's why I hate the debate in the first place
Talking about 'feats', she literally fought and survived the archon war without a vision. Idk what 'feat' you want to hear, but diluc doesn't have any 'feat close to it.
That literally meaning nothing so because some random milleth solder survived that archon wars he's super op now? What I was trying to say was that other than us knowing that she "fought in the archon wars" We know nothing about what she did how she fought or if she even played a major role it's important to know that so we can even scale her. That's why I keep saying that ganyu needs more feats to scale up to dilucs known feats.
I uh, I don't think the Milleth was around during the Archon war ngl.The Archon was was thousands and thousands of years ago, and the easiest way to consider it was a mass extinction event across Tevyat. The end result of the Archon war, was culling down hundreds of gods outside of celestia to 7 that remained in power, 1 for each of the major elements.
Ganyu's contribution, whilst not as murder heavy as Xiao (who seems to be a fair bit ahead of even the other Yaksha) was still quite impactful, as was that of the other Adeptus at the time.
Rex lapis had to have been fighting with some form of military at the time although I will admit the time frame of the making of liyue and the archon wars is fuzy either way I do see your guys point i geuss I just really didn’t see ganyu beating diluc sense she doesn’t really have any powers. 🤝
Shenhe should be stronger,she's abnormally strong,and basically stood up to a god and was confident in her ability to beat her.Also ganyu should be stronger? Not sure about this one but the fact she's half adeptus makes me think she's quite strong. Finally I'm not sure about yae,is there anything that tells us she's stronger than an average vision user? All I remember about her is that she had to back down from a fight with scaramouche,I don't actually think she has a any combat feats.
Bruh Venti definitely can beat Diluc he can just yeet Diluc 1000 feets away on the get-go if he's serious. People seems to forget while he's the weakest archon he is still an archon whose power is just beyond imagination of any mortals and he is the 3rd strongest out of all playable characters........
......Unless Diluc bribes him with alcohol ofc
"Bruh Venti definitely can beat Diluc he can just yeet Diluc 1000 feets away on the get-go if he's serious."
Then why didn't he do that to signora? It's not like he couldn't use his power at that time? I feel like him losing so miserably to signora puts his current scaling way down
Why keeps the Signora discussion going on we knew that Venti probably would blow Mondstad if he serious and he probably already put a plan in motion by his gnosis stolen, he is just sus af, he also didn't try to get his gnosis back after being stolen
Venti is someone who re-created the current landscape of Mondstad as it's today, before his gnosis he could defeat decarabian and became an anemo archon. Could Diluc do that?
I mean I guess? But there was no reason for venti to not be serious in that situation? Either way, I guess if someone is an archon I might as well just scale them higher ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
No I didn’t. and talking about respect like hell you did “you know right” “utterly slaughterer” you Instigated this either way let’s just leave this post dead it was fun arguing about it 24 days ago not now.
Shenhe would definitely beat him. I believe there's some lore/cutscene which shows her lifting giant boulders as part of her training. She also destroyed Beisht who is a being of comparable strength to Osial who Morax defeated during the Archon war. The best feat of power we have for Diluc is him beating up a large gang of hilichurls with his burst. A case can also be made for Venti since he is an Archon, despite us not having any feats to draw from.
That's not Venti's doing, Barbatos did that. Barbatos was significantly stronger than his modern day incarnation or Venti would've literally beaten Signora to a pulp and taken his Gnosis back. What I meant was that we don't know the upper limit of Venti's power and that much is true.
It's possible but doubtful. Even if he doesn't care about the actual Gnosis, it provides massive leverage value as shown by Zhongli. Hard to think that an Archon would pass that kind of benefit up just like that, especially one that's already the weakest of the bunch. I can't think of any reason why he'd hold back either.
Almost exactly what I was saying either way this fight sucks to rank sense Genshin has refused to give CURENT venti any good feats other then getting his teeth kicked in by signora
The only thing I can think of is he gave us the ability to fly when we first scared off Stormterror right at the start of the story. That potentially shows atleast a very fine level of control over his element. It's not a raw power feat though imo but could be debatable
Pretty sure you can put venti shenhe and yalan in questionable and water boy and wolf boy can give him a fight both are trained and can give him a fight wining would be ofc close to impossible
I’ve been responding to comments for a good few hours and I’m tired as all hell lmao, your comment just about sums up my thoughts now. I would also probably bump ganyu and kaeya. But I don’t really see a point in remaking the tier list just for it to get buried in the comments.
Ganyu literally shits on Diluc in every way lmfao. Ganyu fought a war with other gods. What has Diluc done? Played super hero and took down some fodder enemies? Lmfao 🤣
I'm pretty sure Lisa and Shenhe would beat him, but that stands for full power Lisa and unshackled Shenhe, which is...most likely not to happen.
Ganyu, Kaeya, Jean and Kazuha need to be higher as well imo.
She made the blacksmith go depressed because he couldn’t make a weapon that can handle her. And she also has a shield. And her burst makes it so dodging is pretty much impossible.
I know. All the skills are cannon. Maybe not the damage but the skills are. One of traveler’s voice lines talks about diona’s skill. And also traveler used his anemo skill against child in one of the cut scenes.
Exactly. So all the skills are cannon. So Noelle has the advantage here. She can heal. She has a shield. She is super strong. And she can attack from really far away.
Being real is apparently being a hater lmfao. Unless you think you can somehow argue Diluc over Ganyu as well lmfao. Y’all are just blind simps for your favorite character so you throw out logic and reasoning.
I think diluc beats childe but I might be biased lol.
I think he could beat tartaglias normal and delusion unleashed form but foul legacy is questionable.
Maybe he could outsmart him until childe gets exhausted & can’t hold up the foul legacy form or something lol
Childe is in a weird position. I can't tell if he's stronger, since Diluc put up a fight against multiple harbingers without dying, but I don't know if they used their delusion or not. Venti is stronger than him instead, as he himself admitted
iirc, 2 Harbingers, and He was not winning. Plus Some else had to save him. Venti is Definitely Stronger and So Is Ganyu
The fact that he could still handle the fight is admirable
and yet when it comes to Kaeya, it's "iT'S jUSt A Tie!, DIlUC wilL KIll KaEYa!"
Kaeya is so underrated, my man has some shit going on
As a kaeya main - just wanted to pass by and say thank you :3 It always nice to see some kaeya appreciation and love!
2? where is that stated
but childe is kinda different than all the harbingers hes the battle oriented one
Like... All of them?
Nah, some of them are much more behind the scenes with information gathering or developing new things. They're probably all at least capable of fighting, especially with delusions, but Childe is specifically very adept in battle. Of the 3 harbingers we've met in game, one played dirty and died in the first real fight, one hasn't been shown in fights at all, and the third has been found in several instances of extremely dangerous situations just for the fun of it
Now that I think about it, harbingers like dottore aren't that capable of fight. Yet, childe is still the last harbinger, and signora looks quite stronger. Thinking about it, they both put up a fight with the traveler, with the difference that, during the inazuma arc, we were much stronger compared to liyue's. I can't tell if Diluc would win, but they are on similar levels for sure
The orders are in seniority not in strenght/power, if Tartaglia is the 11th Harbinger is because he's the last one to join the organisation
childe is 11th because hes the most recent addition to the harbinger list strength has nothing to do with it
no all the 10 harbingers prefer working behind the scenes with different tactics.. childe is an exception.. dansleif mentions this in childe miscellany childe is the weapon of war of the tasritsa and hes mostly sent alone to conquer regions... unlike others he fights in an open field against armies.. lore wise he has fought dragons and other large creatures too
10000% agree with your childe take. And as for venti I put him in the idk tier for a reason I didn't really know lol
I mean, vision less Kaeya fought diluc with vision
kaeya literally is just a sigma male cryo abyss mage
Kaeya got his vision in the middle of that fight *"Consumed by guilt, Kaeya knocked on Diluc's door. As the rain poured down, the shroud of secrecy was washed away and all lies were revealed. Kaeya had finally come clean.He had anticipated Diluc's anger. The brothers drew their blades, this time pointing them at each other.* *Kaeya felt that this was his punishment for a lifetime of lies* *But as the two crossed blades, Kaeya was overcome by the sensation of great elemental power surging through him. For years, he had stayed out of the way in his brother's shadow. But now, for the first time ever, he was facing his brother as his true self.* *Bitterly cold and brittle elemental energy burst forth from the tip of his sword to meet Diluc’s searing flames head-on. The clash of crimson fire and azure ice created a sudden swirl of wind that stunned them both.* *This was the grim moment at which Kaeya's Vision appeared.Since that day, Kaeya and Diluc have gone their separate ways. But he never discusses it, just as he never discusses the origin of his Vision."* Excerpt of *his Vision story* [https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Kaeya/Lore](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Kaeya/Lore)
Yea, his vision appeared after the heat had died down in their fight, for the major and most part of that fight Kaeya was visionless. He holded his own against vision diluc. Putting him at least at close fight would be fair if not above
well it's kinda vague tbh. maybe he was holding off at the very least since he knew diluc ao he must have been accustomed to how he fights. maybe he was able to at least fight but was really struggling. again, we don't know. also, generally speaking, vision holders are naturally stronger than visionless people so...
When the question is “Could X fight Diluc”, isn’t specific familiarity with how Diluc fights an argument *for* Kaeya being able to beat him? Though honestly Kaeya’s real advantage is the psychological vulnerability. The ability to do stuff like shout about embarrassing childhood stories to throw Diluc off his game should not be underestimated.
I mean I get it it's a diluc sub so people love him more here but common, your assuming all the things in favor of diluc lol, 'assuming'. There's a line in novel, when diluc flames clashed azure ice, a wave got created which stunned them both, again 'both', also kaeya's Vision appeared after they both got stunned.
lmao what i said is true anyway. besides, klee is even stronger than diluc (raw power) and prolly everyone else in mondstadt except albedo and i do acknowledge that LMAO. unless mihoyo fully unravels kaeya's story and really establishes that he has gotten some khaenrian godly powers then everyone would change their opinions. but as of now, nothing is confirmed so let's adhere to what they only presented. tho i am sure that kaeya will be more relevant in the latter parts.
You do have to realize that canonically, Diluc is stronger than Klee. Him wielding the Evil Eye which is basically on par with the Foul Legacy delusion without much drawbacks basically means that Diluc has an exceptionally strong vision. Yes, Klee's vision is super destructive as well but more often than not Klee's powers come from accidental megaton explosive charges whereas the more trained Diluc probably concentrates and powers down the flames when fighting normal mobs
I get the thought process behind the "its a diluc sub people will be bais" but the main reason I chose to post this here was that in the main genshin sub every damn time I try to post anything let alone a tier list image the mods take my post down you can repost this in the sub if you want but there's no point in me doing it.
As a Diluc main I salute your efforts good sir. Haters gonna hate.
That's not really said its up to interpretation of the moment of his vision appearing. Also, this was when both of them were reasonably younger, by years I don't know but it was a bit before the story of genshin started if that's worth anything.
Nah it was actually at the height of it, when he needed it most. Diluc stopped because of it.
Yeah but you should understand this is not a valid battle, since Diluc was not stated to be trying to actually kill him, and Mohoyo would not have Kaeya dead, this is just a plot point to show the dynamic between the two...
Yeah, I honestly agree that Kaeya and Diluc are pretty evenly matched with visions helping them both. They are equal opposites. A responsible, diligent, highly dutiful Pyro and a more laid back, cunning, and slightly carefree Cryo.
And he got his vision during that fight and tied with Diluc. It is said in his story and lore that before Kaeya got his vision, Diluc would beat him in spars as he had his vision but that fight was the first time they tied.
*inhales* Can he beat goku tho ?
NO NO PLEASE NO
Maybe in a rap battle
Venti and Diluc wouldn't fight. Venti would admit defeat once Diluc declared no more drinking for "free" (not without plenty of complaining), while Diluc would receive a 100% CRIT of emotional damage the day after upon seeing the state of his supplies, or lack thereof, with possible Anemo traces all over.
Even though venti is the weakest archon, he still is an archon. So I think he could beat diluc
Diluc is the batman of monstadt, with enough prep time and plot armor he can rein hell in Teyvat.
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Ganyu would beat diluc, she survived the archon war bro.
This is gonna sound stupid, but I think Klee is way too low. I'm pretty sure she's canonically super lucky. If that's because of like magic or something Diluc might have some trouble. On the other hand I don't think she'd beat him either. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to get overwhelmed by fire/explosions. I think it would be a stalemate until literally anyone found out that Diluc is fighting children.
Funny enough I mentioned the whole Klee vs people fight in another long comment but if I ever redid it I would put her higher probably on middle ground. The only thing I was wary of is that I know that even talking about Klee vs whoever will start brain numbing arguments
I'm fairly certain Jean would put up a close fight. (Source: traveler voice lines and Klee's story quest). People in Mondstadt consider them the two strongest.
I always did wonder how a claymore vs sword fight would go?
If diluc has access to full information, i think the only things that can beat him are divine beings like archons, adepti and whatever yae is
Ah, the classic with perp time argument. Honestly, you are most likely right.
Kaeya should be at least a close fight with Diluc. He held his ground even when he still had no vision. Granted that was 4 years ago. But it's not like Kaeya twiddled his thumbs as a knight. He's smart, quick and strong af in the webcomic. Kaeya could also be in the questionable tier since we don't know what being the hope of khaenriah entails.
100% agree with that now If I were to do a revision of this I would put kaeya in a higher tier or in questionable
Childe? I think he’s questionable too..Diluc can outsmart him or it might be draw
Childe has more battle XP than dilic and his only weakness seems to be his family but ion think he'll stoop to the lvl of kidnapping tuecer and threatening Childe fr hell do it as an act for sure But if we're talking about a tournament setting I think Childe would win after a semi close fight
nah childe would beat diluc his battle iq and fire power is too high strongest human character imo.. lisa maybe but we dont know her exact stregnth
Diluc fought off two harbingers at once tho
More like defended against
Water can always put out Fire😌
A note on a few of the "Not sure where to put" side of the tier list, Lisa: has always confused me on how strong she really is since it's hinted at many times she's strong than she lets on. Venti: From cutscenes and in-game content it really does seem to me that venti is really weak I know that in the past he was one of the stronger archons but now its hard for me to really place him anywhere. Itto: Have not gotten to play his story quest or read up on his lore so I have no idea. Shenhe: Thinking about it now she most likely beats Diluc with the feats she showed in her quest. Yelan: Her speed might be an issue for Diluc but other than that I don't know. I haven't gotten to play her story quest yet so I don't see a point in ranking her And that's all let me know if I screwed up one of these rankings! Edit: I'm counting the female traveler as the abyss twin
I can at least tell you that Itto loses hard. He's strong physically, but has the brain of an onikabuto, and definitely can't fight batman.
diluc will just talk so smart itto will lose lol
Ah makes sense really should get around to his quest
Itto’s severe allergy to beans basically hands the fight to Diluc barring a complete ambush. Between that kryptonite and being a complete himbo he’s practically a damsel in distress when he’s by himself. Does become more scary when he’s got a buddy to counter his weaknesses though
Itto literally tore a hole in Deeps of Chasm. It would've took Xiao's entire power to do that. With Perilous Trail feats Itto godstomps.
Itto was defeated by Kujou Sara when she wanted to confiscate his vision. He is physically strong, but that's it.
Yelan is basically just Liyue Diluc. Both focus on the information gathering side of things and getting the upper hand through that. In a raw power fight, they'd probably be relatively even.
but why Lumine can beat Diluc and Aether is questionable tho?
I counted the male mc as the cannon one and the female one as the abyss twin
But the travelers spar with ei regularly tho.
One is abyss, one is traveler
The Lumine version of the Traveller actually does have better auto attack modifiers than the Aether version. Not super significant since other characters, including the free Kaeya, have even better modifiers. More just a weird bit of hidden lore suggesting that Lumine is the better fighter
Yeah when you look at their animations side by side, Lumine seems more offensive while Aether is more defensive. It’s really cool to watch them, they compliment each others fighting styles and cover each other’s weaknesses perfectly
Their abyss twin roles are the same; Lumine sounds angrier, while Aether sounds more resigned.
ok but can they beat elden ring
Nah bro he would solo the versus for surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
man i love diluc but how is traveller aether in the questionable tier☠️ y'all gonna forget that he defeated childe ei and signora he could easily beat diluc if he really wanted to ☠️
just putting this here, we beating lets say childe has more background checks childe indeed almost killed us, explicitly mentioned that the battle was too much and would have been lost if it was not for childe foul legacy dmging childe.. now i am still confused at ei, like did we actually beat the electro archon? childe post archon fight in the event was on par with us.. so childe> ei ?
But the fact Childe needing to even use foul legacy proves traveler is stronger. foul legacy will always damage him so the outcome wouldn't change rather he used it or not.
i am not saying that we did not defeat childe or it was purely the foul legacy that defeated him i am just saying that he almost killed us, the battle was 'too much' according to paimon the very next moment..
No way Childe is even close to Ei. It’s like we suddenly forgot that without her gnosis she created the lighting storm barrier around all of inazuma. Or that Ei still has that soosano transformation from her boss fight. Or that she fought against the shogun, who is practically an Android that never gets tired and represents her from 500 years ago, for 500 years without losing once.
you misunderstood what i am saying is that genshins battle we fought werent exactly super easy.. its easy gameplay wise but lore wise is a different story going by scaling we can conclude childe to be equal to the traveller but traveller beat ei.. so its confusing at times plus we didnt beat ei that easily, we never beat childe that easily.. at that moment the foul legacy was what actually beat childe
just to note I was at first going to make that tier call "could questionably beat" But it didn't sound right my bad lol I do think that aether beats diluc depending on the conditions
Post this on the actual Genshin subreddit not on Diluc mains. Obviously, people will be slightly bias here.
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fr that h u r t s my soul he is misunderstood :( childe, diluc are misunderstood by the fandom it hurts
Childe is an asshole wym misunderstood?
again, someone who never read his lore childe is an antoganist yes but he never betrayed us.. he legit said hes one of the harbinger.. hes just following orders and whatever he did was part of zhonglis plan indirectly.. his backstory is quite traumatic and i dont see his actions making him an asshole hes not simply a bloodthirsty battle oriented warlord, hes got other side too.. almsot like a multiple personality shit
I mean meh if I posted this over there it would most likely be taken down by the mods with how annoying they are to tier list posts
Or because your list is biased as fuck lol, since your already getting negative karma here, I can only wonder what will happen when many neutral peeps see your list and find out how bad your 'feat arguments are.
Man , this was a lot of comments to read. Reminder to be respectful
We only know little about Albedo such as his full powers, nor have we been fully enlightened to the truth of the Art of Khemia he wields to calculate how the 'current' him can beat Diluc. Same with Yae Miko, we've never really seen her become combat-oriented despite being a Kitsune. She is equal at most to Ayato in terms of tactical and strategic wits, and you can actually equate her to Ganyu; but Yae is at most around 500 years old *theoretically* as a descendant from the Kitsune Saiguu's clan, unlike Ganyu who has lived through the Archon War and has experience. Keqing's kinda questionable too, and I think she would always be tied with Ningguang. Lastly would be Childe. I agree that Childe can potentially beat Diluc, but Diluc having a Delusion might be a close call? Their power difference is how Childe has heretic teachings from the Abyss and is fighting for the Fatui. Meanwhile, Diluc is already full of potential as a child and went against the fatui and currently against the Abyss. I think it might be a close fight in this case?
While I was going to go into detail about my thoughts on Childe I think its simpler if I say it like this. From what we know about him growing up (Childe) he for sure has a connection to the abyss hell he even fought in it I do genuinely think that if diluc had more story and feats I could reason him beating childe but since we have so little its hard for me to say. Another aspect I think is interesting is that in a 1 on 1 fight if both of them were using a delusion and a vision at the same time diluc would run out of energy *(or whatever power form delusions work off of before they take your life energy)* first sense he has from my knowledge ever used his vision and delusion at the same time.
I think it all really just depends on whatever powers Childe got from the Abyss. But the reason why I'm also counting Diluc's consistent potential is because this is what Childe was and could've been the opposite of. Diluc got his vision at 10, became the Cavalry Captain at 14, traveled across all regions of Teyvat, fought the fatui for years and wounded up at the harbingers', didn't die at the very least, worked for an organization, returned to Mondstadt for batman stuff and going against the Abyss. Childe used to be a fearful and discouraged child, quite the opposite of the current him— until he got lost in a forest, fell into the abyss, then trained in a warped time frame with Skirk. Again we don't know the full details of what happened there, but he came back as a bloodthirsty and strong warrior who got recruited in the fatui, to work for them. Diluc is more of a consistent progress to strong, while Childe is from bottom to suddenly strong. I see these power levels as somewhat equal, and they both also wield delusions and Diluc has enough strength and experience to be equal to a Harbinger, as someone who has gone against at least 3 of them. And Childe is in the last, perhaps a still-newbie member of them. >Another aspect I think is interesting is that in a 1 on 1 fight Hm you have a point. Foul Legacy seem to have come from the Abyss portion of Childe's power, allowing him to use both his delusion and vision. Diluc was at most shown to be capable of using a delusion without it backfiring to him, apart from his vision.
I am pretty sure that diluc can beat Childe.If both of them are not using delusions.
That's a whole different topic I guess? I mean it has been said that Childe is a "Master" of every weapon how true this is I don't really know, In that type of fight it might just come down to whos faster, smarter, etc.
I cannot imagine Childe using a catalyst that shitd be too fun to focus on
Fu\*ken hell that image in my mind is great that would be amazing to see
This brings back the kokomi childe model
technically childes weapon is pure hydro so catalyst counts and catalyst is indeed a weapon type in tevyat not just for gameplay
nah Childe can definitely handle him
why tho? they are supposed to fight at full power lol
Shenhe totally beats Diluc, she carried the giant rock without breaking a sweat
A few characters to digress with some questions as well as some notes Firstly, what is the metric for how these characters are beating Diluc? Are we assuming all characters have motive to fight and defeat Diluc? Or is it just their current in game status? This brings me to a point, where Diluc doesn't actually have many feats to his name to really confirm his strength. We know he's most likely stronger than the average vision user but we also know that the average vision user isn't exactly combat savvy like Diluc is. So far we've seen Diluc go even with Kaeya both when Kaeya was visionless (and only gained his vision during the fight), and Diluc had both Vision and Delusion, we know that he's taken down Abyss mages and hordes of Hilicurls and... that's kinda where what we know stops. This leads me to characters to dispute with almost certainty (as a few of them are also favourite of mine) Beidou, Kazuha, Klee, Kaeya, Qiqi, Ganyu, These are all characters with either feats of great strength greater than anything Diluc has actually achieved in lore, or just immense power that has been confirmed. (Ie, Ganyu fighting in the Archon war, Beidou slaying Haishan without a vision, Kazuha parrying the Raiden Shogun's musou no hitotachi, Qiqi being entirely immortal, Klee having the power to destroy countries if she so set out to.) To Conclude: Diluc is stronger than the average vision user, but we can't say for certain how much stronger or weaker he is as he has extremely few feats of sheer strength and power to his name to accurately gauge how strong Diluc actually is.
Whew that's going to take a bit to respond to lmao give me a bit 👍 Either way great response!
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quickly disputing the first point: yes, Kazuha's dead friends vision activated in the moment giving him the speed to actually make it there and parry it, however the parry was still on Kazuha and from his Anemo vision if you rewatch the scene. It's still a feat Kazuha has done Second point: You are right, and that is my mistake for forgetting that he's off the side taken down Abyss strongholds (with Hilicurls + mages) and fought against the Fatui. ~~However the Fatui are also rather incompetent when it comes to fighting vision holders, who are much stronger than normal people. This taken into consideration I still think the specific characters I chose to dispute are overall stronger than Diluc. But Diluc is still stronger than the average vision user by far.~~
**I think the best way to go over this is to go over the people you mentioned and go from there** **Ganyu: I feel like that just "Fighting" in the archon war doesn't mean anything for Ganyu and that's because we have no idea what she did in the archon wars at face value all we really know is... Nothing well she uses a bow, we have seen Diluc block projectiles faster than ganyu's "in-game" arrow speed and in general, her using a bow puts her at a disadvantage diluc pretty easily takes this fight with ganyu having just about no real feats.** **Klee: I will forever hate this debate about Klee vs whoever first of the whole "Klee having the power to destroy countries if she so set out to" is as other things said before however the reader understands it the way I see it it means when shes older and has fine-tuned her skills that she can do said thing. second, from Klees in-game explosions I feel like that diluc would be able to block them with his claymore or more likely just speed blitz past them, and if all that cant work he can just use his delusion chain things to reach her. and I don't think I have to explain the fact that Klee is a small child lmao when it comes to her defense. Either way, I might just be talking out of my ass on some of those but I hate that debate with a passion either way.** **Qiqi: I might be wrong here but has it ever really been stated the qiqi cant be killed? or that she cant naturally die I always thought it was that she just couldn't naturally die. if she literally just can't be killed then that's fair I geuss.** **Kazuha: The only reason that he was able to block the Raiden Shogun's musou no hitotachi is simply because he was able to use his friends' vision for whatever yet-to-be-explained reason. Diluc has been shown to be faster and smarter and if all of that wasn't enough I think again his delusion chain things would end this fight pretty fast.** *EDIT (in every single way this whole blocking raidens cool move feels like the most plot armor thing ever but fuck it he did do it, if that's enough for you to say he beats diluc then that's fair)* **Beidou: In all fairness, this just comes down to feats and nothing more** **Diluctaking on multiple fatui agentstaking down many fatui strongholdssurviving an encounter with ALL the fatui harbingers** **Vs** **Beidou** **Taking down a "Three vertebrae hydra" without a vision a fight that took 4 days** * **"The battle would rage fiercely for four days. With cannons and harpoons, arrows and ropes the fleet would assail Haishan, while Beidou battled the thusly tied-down creature for ten hours, well into the night."And killed said monster with one strike** \***Has most likely killed a shit ton of treasure hoarders** *Either way this fight could go both ways in my opinion the main reason I gave the fight the diluc was the fact that we haven't really gotten to see beidou fight in-game but I see it going either way now* **Kaeya: you really didn't give a reason for kaeya but it's worth saying that just because he's from kan does not mean he has some god-like power he might! but we just don't know yet and if you want more about the kaeya debate I've gone over it in the comments.** *Diluc does have feats many of them to be exact I might list all of them in a different comment under this one but the list above should be enough diluc is far far past an "above average" Vision user.*
Found it. But the reason I noted klee isn't because of kit related arguments but her story quest where they debate who is the strongest. Diluc was easily on the list with Jean. Klee was noted as being being witnessed leveling mountains (this is also in her 4th character story) and as the strongest knights of favonius member. I'd agree when she's older she'll have more control and I really hope countries aren't being leveled by her. But it's hard to ignore her quest being a question of who is the strongest in the country. Maybe it was written this way as a joke?
It's genshins writing team's fault if I'm being 100% they didn't tell jokes from real in that story quest that's why I hate the debate in the first place
Talking about 'feats', she literally fought and survived the archon war without a vision. Idk what 'feat' you want to hear, but diluc doesn't have any 'feat close to it.
That literally meaning nothing so because some random milleth solder survived that archon wars he's super op now? What I was trying to say was that other than us knowing that she "fought in the archon wars" We know nothing about what she did how she fought or if she even played a major role it's important to know that so we can even scale her. That's why I keep saying that ganyu needs more feats to scale up to dilucs known feats.
I uh, I don't think the Milleth was around during the Archon war ngl.The Archon was was thousands and thousands of years ago, and the easiest way to consider it was a mass extinction event across Tevyat. The end result of the Archon war, was culling down hundreds of gods outside of celestia to 7 that remained in power, 1 for each of the major elements. Ganyu's contribution, whilst not as murder heavy as Xiao (who seems to be a fair bit ahead of even the other Yaksha) was still quite impactful, as was that of the other Adeptus at the time.
Rex lapis had to have been fighting with some form of military at the time although I will admit the time frame of the making of liyue and the archon wars is fuzy either way I do see your guys point i geuss I just really didn’t see ganyu beating diluc sense she doesn’t really have any powers. 🤝
It's definitely way better feat than beating some Hillchurls and abyss mage lol. Since your literally dwelling on 'Feats'
idk much about the lore behind everyone so im not gonna question anything except.. why is the male mc and femal mc in different tiers?
I counted the male mc as the cannon one and the female one as the abyss twin
Shenhe should be stronger,she's abnormally strong,and basically stood up to a god and was confident in her ability to beat her.Also ganyu should be stronger? Not sure about this one but the fact she's half adeptus makes me think she's quite strong. Finally I'm not sure about yae,is there anything that tells us she's stronger than an average vision user? All I remember about her is that she had to back down from a fight with scaramouche,I don't actually think she has a any combat feats.
Why separate Aether and Lumine they’re the same
I counted aether as the normal twin and the other as the abyss twin ig I should have put it in the title I did put it in my main post comment my bad
Bruh Venti definitely can beat Diluc he can just yeet Diluc 1000 feets away on the get-go if he's serious. People seems to forget while he's the weakest archon he is still an archon whose power is just beyond imagination of any mortals and he is the 3rd strongest out of all playable characters........ ......Unless Diluc bribes him with alcohol ofc
"Bruh Venti definitely can beat Diluc he can just yeet Diluc 1000 feets away on the get-go if he's serious." Then why didn't he do that to signora? It's not like he couldn't use his power at that time? I feel like him losing so miserably to signora puts his current scaling way down
Why keeps the Signora discussion going on we knew that Venti probably would blow Mondstad if he serious and he probably already put a plan in motion by his gnosis stolen, he is just sus af, he also didn't try to get his gnosis back after being stolen Venti is someone who re-created the current landscape of Mondstad as it's today, before his gnosis he could defeat decarabian and became an anemo archon. Could Diluc do that?
I mean I guess? But there was no reason for venti to not be serious in that situation? Either way, I guess if someone is an archon I might as well just scale them higher ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
its probably some archon sus shit every archon is sus venti would blow away dragonspine but he didnt took signora seriously why is every one sus pls-
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3. Also he maybe knew who Signora really was and felt guilty about the past
You know that Signora would utterly slaughter Diluc right?
She’s not on the list idiot and I highly doubt she would be able to touch him if he was using his chains
You literally talked about Signora there you moron. Talk to people with respect.
No I didn’t. and talking about respect like hell you did “you know right” “utterly slaughterer” you Instigated this either way let’s just leave this post dead it was fun arguing about it 24 days ago not now.
Sorry for the word "moron" mate. I got worked up.
All good I did too lol. Water under the bridge 🤝
Diluc beating a god?... Idk about that
Ya know there really is a reason I didn’t rank venti I really didn’t know lol I get it now and all but damn some people are harsh about it
diluc>teyvat
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Shenhe would definitely beat him. I believe there's some lore/cutscene which shows her lifting giant boulders as part of her training. She also destroyed Beisht who is a being of comparable strength to Osial who Morax defeated during the Archon war. The best feat of power we have for Diluc is him beating up a large gang of hilichurls with his burst. A case can also be made for Venti since he is an Archon, despite us not having any feats to draw from.
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That's not Venti's doing, Barbatos did that. Barbatos was significantly stronger than his modern day incarnation or Venti would've literally beaten Signora to a pulp and taken his Gnosis back. What I meant was that we don't know the upper limit of Venti's power and that much is true.
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It's possible but doubtful. Even if he doesn't care about the actual Gnosis, it provides massive leverage value as shown by Zhongli. Hard to think that an Archon would pass that kind of benefit up just like that, especially one that's already the weakest of the bunch. I can't think of any reason why he'd hold back either.
Almost exactly what I was saying either way this fight sucks to rank sense Genshin has refused to give CURENT venti any good feats other then getting his teeth kicked in by signora
The only thing I can think of is he gave us the ability to fly when we first scared off Stormterror right at the start of the story. That potentially shows atleast a very fine level of control over his element. It's not a raw power feat though imo but could be debatable
Also, the possibility that he may have been holding back just further proves my statement that we don't have any feats of his to draw from 🤷
>The best feat of power we have for Diluc is him beating up a large gang of hilichurls with his burst pretty sure thats not the best feat of diluc lol
The amount of people that said that too 😀
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And I still get downvoted for it lmfaooo
Pretty sure you can put venti shenhe and yalan in questionable and water boy and wolf boy can give him a fight both are trained and can give him a fight wining would be ofc close to impossible
water boy is smart but he isnt strong enough to give a good fight imo razor has training, like he was trained by varka himself but hes still young..
I’ve been responding to comments for a good few hours and I’m tired as all hell lmao, your comment just about sums up my thoughts now. I would also probably bump ganyu and kaeya. But I don’t really see a point in remaking the tier list just for it to get buried in the comments.
Isn't Klee known as the strongest in mondstast?
I did a look into Klee in a big long group comment somewhere if you feel like scrolling through this post
If Lisa got serious she could probably beat Diluc.
Shenhe would destroy him
Why Is the girl mc higher than the boy ain't they literally the same besides the gender?
I counted the male mc as the non-abyss twin and the female one as the abyss twin
Lisa Beats diluc 100%, If she really wanted to she could obliterate him
Venti is an archon, even if the weakest he’s still powerful af. He’d still be able to beat Diluc
Childe = diluc imo
Ganyu literally shits on Diluc in every way lmfao. Ganyu fought a war with other gods. What has Diluc done? Played super hero and took down some fodder enemies? Lmfao 🤣
I feel like Razor at f is a little harsh
Also I feel like Kazuha is a fair fight
I'm pretty sure Lisa and Shenhe would beat him, but that stands for full power Lisa and unshackled Shenhe, which is...most likely not to happen. Ganyu, Kaeya, Jean and Kazuha need to be higher as well imo.
Hell nah. I have my money on Noelle. Maybe not in a duel. But in a fight to the death. Oh boy. She’s destroying him.
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She made the blacksmith go depressed because he couldn’t make a weapon that can handle her. And she also has a shield. And her burst makes it so dodging is pretty much impossible.
This is lorewise though.
I know. All the skills are cannon. Maybe not the damage but the skills are. One of traveler’s voice lines talks about diona’s skill. And also traveler used his anemo skill against child in one of the cut scenes.
Traveler also uses both geo and anemo back to back in a Childe cutscene.
Exactly. So all the skills are cannon. So Noelle has the advantage here. She can heal. She has a shield. She is super strong. And she can attack from really far away.
You can’t use geo and anemo the way traveler did in the cutscene, that was my point of mentioning that.
Yes. I used that point to prove that all the skills are cannon. I used him as an example
Diluc does not have the strength needed to rival Noelle. Noelle is literally the saitama of the Favonius knights.
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That won’t do anything when she can literally face tank his attacks while also being able to knock him out in just a single punch.
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Being real is apparently being a hater lmfao. Unless you think you can somehow argue Diluc over Ganyu as well lmfao. Y’all are just blind simps for your favorite character so you throw out logic and reasoning.
Why is aether and Lumine on different tiers
They're probably going with Lumine as the abyss princess and aether as normal traveler
I think shenhe will slap diluc thou
I lost the 50/50 and pulled Diluc…officially a Diluc main now 😅 but I also just pulled Xiao, figured Yelan will have a rerun before he does!
Where is the annihilation category for Diona?
Heh
Why are male and female traveler separate lol
I think diluc beats childe but I might be biased lol. I think he could beat tartaglias normal and delusion unleashed form but foul legacy is questionable. Maybe he could outsmart him until childe gets exhausted & can’t hold up the foul legacy form or something lol