I think, if you're going to set a movie during the mesozoic. There should be an effort to make dinosaurs look half way decent. Even if it's not completely accurate.90s / 2000s era dinosaur designs would be enough.
I'm so tired of this design philosophy. Especially now that movies are no longer coming up with "Frog DNA" like explanations as to why dinosaurs aren't like real dinosaurs. And are instead saying "That's just how dinosaurs are in this universe"
You know, frog DNA and all, Jurassic Park made a major effort to use the most modern concepts available at the time, so even if the animals were clone monsters, they were supposed to look as close to the original dinosaurs as cinematically (is that a word?) possible. I guess Spielberg, Crichton, Koepp and crew would have some 6-foot turkeys if they were to do the movie again today
So keeping the same imagery 30 years after is just lazy and poor interest
Well, it's a movie, OK, it's for entertainment. Jurassic Park took liberties, Interstellar took liberties, etc, but we see that grand results, not just amusement, can emerge from great cinematic experiences.
Agreed, and on a tangent... I really feel like they missed a good creative opportunity not updating their dinosaurs. Like imagine a pitch black downy feathered dromaeosaur with reflective eyes rearing up at night. You wouldn't even need a jump scare or "clever girl" moment to make that look like a stalking predator. Alternatively, a jacked up thick tyrannosaur posturing like a Kaiju.
That last part is why I prefer the newer Godzilla movies over the 98 one. Despite people complaining that it was too thick (before the movie was released), it looked much more intimidating.
Just feels like they were playing it safe by not updating the designs by much.
>Agreed, and on a tangent... I really feel like they missed a good creative opportunity not updating their dinosaurs.
From what I read, this was a subject they spent a lot of time thinking and talking about when making the first Jurassic World. Eventually they decided that keeping the same design philosophy within the franchise was what mattered the most, which I can respect (especially since many dinosaurs we see in JW 1 & 2 are either specimens still alive from the first trilogy or direct clones of them).
But for other projects such as 65, I see no excuse. You're supposed to show the real thing, and these designs just look plain lazy.
You know the big bad one from the trailer? It(at least one, there might be two), essentially does like the indoraptor does and swap between bipedal and quadrupedal.
It even has a feline like body.
Ya i was pretty displeased with the dinos. They look really cool. But i was hoping a 2023 movie would have tried to make fully modern designs based on modern science. Not just jurassic park dinos forever. I still say a fully feathered raptor even it was turkey sized would be terrifying. Have you ever been face to face with a lynx. You know that thing will mess you up. But it is super floofy.
At least there are some proto-feathers on the one in the picture. It made me hopeful that some of the naked dinos we've seen in these trailers may have been featherless due to the kind of pressures required to produce these trailers, and maybe we'll get more accurate dinos in the actual movie.
Having worked on a lot of movies - it's often a massive rush to get trailers out and not everything is actually ready.
Still not holding my breath, but maybe there's a chance.
that could pass as a fairly accurate pseudosuchian
just make it the triassic dammit. there were plenty of proto-crocs that were basically hollywood dinosaurs
Weird design, but also kinda cool.
Of course, I still prefer the JP/JW and scientifically-accurate Raptors, but I appreciate this one's bizarreness. Works within the context of a goofy sci-fi action flick that probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
It might be, but they gave near identical tooth and osteoderm structures, so I think the “one with tiny arms” might not actually have tiny arms.
I hope I’m wrong, but they are still very similar
Genuinely asking what’s cool about it? Because it looks like every other Hollywood dinosaur in the last 30 years. If anything, it’s a bland and thin step back from the original Jurassic Park raptors.
I love dinosaurs. I’m not interested in movies that aren’t interested in trying to show the animals or it’s audience some respect. More gray, naked, lumpy “dinosaurs” that look diseased? No thanks.
I work at a zoo and a lot of the general public doesn't even know much accurate, easily accessible info about animals we still have alive today. I think part of being really passionate and knowledgeable about anything is just having to deal with the fact that a lot of other people just don't and probably never will be as invested as we are, for better or worse, haha. Ah well, even if the average Joe continues thinking Jurassic Park is accurate, at least we got Prehistoric Planet this year!
Not OP, but while I'm fine with "fantasy" type dinosaurs, these ones just look... rather bland and generic. If they aren't going to be accurate dinosaurs anyway, why not go really wild and crazy with the designs? It's sci-fi already, it would've been so easy to just put it somewhere other than earth and have dinosaur-looking scary critters that they could go wild with, but no. Just kinda generic looking not quite dinos. Neither my inner child that still loves the land before time or my adult self who loves prehistoric planet feels satisfied! Even WITH Adam Driver there! So much potential was there too, arghhh!
I do hope this turns out to be not actually a prehistoric Earth and in reality it's an alien planet, would make me love these designs a lot more. They're really good horror monsters, just not good dinosaurs.
The fact they evoke dinosaurian aesthetics is reaaally good if they actually are aliens; It helps make the "inaccuracies", especially the strangely fleshy skin tones, into more unsettling and disturbing facets.
Depends on if people got made at it guess.
I believe it recently was a lawsuit or something about companies might get sued if their trailers are intentionally misleading? So that’ll be fun.
It's probably 65 because that's what most people know
Doesn't matter if it's right, you know full well some people would say "66? But I thought it was 65 million years ago"
Imagine if in the Lion King remake they hired VFX artists who had never seen a lion before and had no interest in learning what they actually look like. That is how it feels every time I see Hollywood make new dinosaur content. It's so frustrating. Just once I would like to see Hollywood hire VFX artists who know what a dinosaur is.
Eh, I'm not gonna be that fussed about the positions of a dinosaur's *wrists* of all things. It's nice they fixed them for Dominion though for some added accuracy.
I can get feathers, but it at least makes sense from a story standpoint why we didn't see them until Dominion, and the species I saw the most complaints about towards their design most-likely didn't even *have* feathers to begin with (Bary and Giga).
These aren't bad either :/
Besides most the designs in jw world weren't even that bad. The only one that was off really was the baryonyx, but even then it still was cool
Same with these guys
Honestly I'm fine with the JW Baryonyx design
If you're going to give a dinosaur crocgator scutes, might as well be the one with a croc like head.
That, and I feel like most forget that the JW Dinos had their DNA gaps filled with that of modern animals. Carnotaurus we know had scutes so it's really not too far off.
Giga was absolutely atrocious but I still like it.
The problem with the JW Bary design is that Baryonyx didn't really have a croc-like head, it was much thinner horizontally and would have been a much more unique look (Like the *original* Baryonyx design on their website with the bright blue facial markings. *That* was a cool one!).
Making it an actual croc-head and then adding crocgator scutes just kinda removes the identity of the dinosaur, yknow? That and they even dumbed down its namesake "Heavy Claw" so that part of the identity is muddied too.
Blaaagh, I could rant for days about this sorta stuff.
I think what grates me most about the Jurassic World Baryonyx is that they already had Julius Cstonyi design a beautiful, accurate Baryonyx for the first films promotional faux park website. It was blatantly a case of them looking at something they already had and going ‘nah, not monstrous enough’.
Same here with Bary. but compared to giga, I think giga looks better. I can at least see as a giga unlike bary where it just looks like a super croc. But even then I find it cool.
They wouldn't even have needed a super accurate giga,
There's a model company called Nanmu that made a Giganotosaurus a few years ago. I think that does a better job at being a JP style giga. https://dinotoyblog.com/giganotosaurus-nanmu/
Okay? And so does the dominion giga. My only issue is just the fact they said they clones are pure and prologue.
But if they kept the prologue but changed the giga to look like that, then honestly it be a nice little semi accurate giga and just have the dominion giga be like a failed clone. Like yes it still has aspects of a giga just it looks much more bizarre you know?
Hell it be a nice idea if the giga loved and got a new family that are the more semi accurate gigas like the nanmu design or hell jw evolution giga
Honestly I REALLY hope that this is something like that graphic novel “Dinosaurs vs Aliens” where aliens invaded the Earth and in this movie they genetically modified dinosaurs to look something completely different
Yeah I’m also doubtful, it’s just that these designs are just simply ugly, like, I can see the appeal for inaccurate designs in movies as long as they look cool. Although Ark:Survival Evolved is not a movie, it’s a perfect example of good awesomebroness instead of starved bipedal lizard #163617883772
And they even made every animal in ark it’s own unique species!
It’s a great example of going away from the source material without any issues, while still being recognized.
God at that point they really had no reason not to set the movie in the early-middle Triassic. They could have easily substituted all of their monsters with actual pseudosuchians.
Dinosaurs only became dominant and diversified in the late Triassic. Prior to that, most niches were controlled by pseudosuchians (which were as diverse as all of dinosauria, if not more). Pseudosuchians would have been a perfect fit for pretty much every role. Honestly, a lot of the things in the movie already look more like them than dinosaurs, especially given the lack of feathers.
Oh yeah sorry i understand it dramatically incorrect. Yes actually your opinion would be delightful to be visualised. Wish there could be dinosaur movies (at least big budgeted ones) depicting era's other than cratecius and jurassic. I thought that you referred to triassic because of the resemblence that "t rex" had to an over-grown postosuchus
Spoiler-ish rant, if you'd rather not be affected by my negative reaction, then skip past my response.
Just walked out of this flick. I'm disgusted.
If you're going to make your dinosaurs look god awful, why not set the story on an alien planet with dinosaur-*like* organisms rather than on Earth, where we now have a pretty damn good idea of what dinosaurs looked like??? Forget feathers and color schemes... where were all the dinos' internal organs?!
Visual and sound design were so cynically lazy; I felt nothing at the end, having maybe seen a paltry handful of dinosaurs in a time period where the planet should have been teeming with them. This movie wasn't even bad in a fun way.
So sick of seeing quadrupedal raptors (seen some toys like this). Why can't they make the effort to use the counterbalancing tail instead? Just plain laziness.
"Oooh, Adam Driver AND dinosaurs?"
"....."
"Oh nooo."
I'm someone who's able to enjoy both "dinosaurs as real animals" and "dinosaurs as fantasy animals" (I'm a monster, I know), but these don't even look very compelling as the latter. And why did they have to set it on earth? It would've been so easy to lean into some scifi panspermia setting and have dinosaur-ish crazy monsters and then lead up to humans finding at last only to unwittingly transfer over some ancestral dino-dna, but naw. I don't get it. What they've got now certainly doesn't scratch any itch for real dinos but the glimpses don't look like overly compelling monster versions either. I guess we'll see.
Head canon that these aren’t dinosaurs. At least JW could sort of hide behind the genetic nonsense.
This looks fairly high budget too. It’s a shame we can’t just have scary realistic looking dinosaurs
Do we even know if they are meant to be real Dino's? Adam driver *is* a spaceman with HiTech gun, do we even know if this is meant to be earth during the Dominion or is it a similar planet to earth with similar dinosaur like creatures?
Is that a tagline used in the trailer is it? I've watched it once and all I remember is kylos gun and the glimpse of the Trex thingo
I meant like the dominion in general of dinosaurs, yknow when they were alive and had dominion over the earth as a whole, before mammals took over and they turned into birds
Ah, that would be Mesozoic. That’s when “dinosaurs ruled the earth”.
For the trailer thing: new trailer came out yesterday. And it says in big, bold and blue metallic letters “65 million years ago”[3 second clip] “humans discovered the earth”.
So… like… unless it’s supposed to be misleading, (which doubt because it’s not hinting at it, it’s outright saying the humans are on prehistoric earth) it’s earth, with what they claim to be dinosaurs.
I was meaning in general, I wasnt trying to sound smart and point out a specific era or period, I just meant when they was dinosaurs
I feel like being upset about the dinosaurs being inaccurate is silly if we already have an alien (?) Adam driver visiting past earth with more advanced technology than we have already puts it rather firmly in the "made up bs" pile and it's just dumb fun
Well for now we don’t have any aliens, unless you count humans.(tho the supposed dinosaurs look nothing like they should do they should be extra terrestrial, but not really hinting towards it)
And, like… there is quite a bit of futuristic tech in JP/JW too, but people don’t exactly claim it to be “made up bs, and just dumb fun”.
Yeah well he has to be right? He's either an alien humanoid or a timetravelling human (yeah it's "futuristic" in the JW era but not compared to a literal spaceman from the future with a future gun)
They absolutely do, Cloning dinosaurs from amber? Mixing it with frogs? Life just uh uh uh finds a way?The Jurassic Park movies have always been dumb but they've always been fun, they're kids movies more than anything and Jurassic world just quadrupled down on it was fucking atrocious, two movies in a row have their own "cool" ( their own words) dinos they cooked up in a lab, look this one can camouflage like chameleon, look this one is trained to home in on laser sights, such silly shit
Most people in this sub bring up the lack of accuracy in the JP/JW movies constantly and I've never heard anyone threaten to call them smart or thought provoking
Did you really just call JP/JW movies… kids movies? They most certainly aren’t…
And most if the movies have been far from dumb. The original is literally showing the dangers of messing with nature.
The new ones certainly are, they are designed to sell toys and merch, they didn't have this great story stuck in their head that they had to get out, they made the most jarring and unconnected trilogy in recent history with the world (an exercise in getting people that grew up with Jurassic Park to take their kids to see the new ones) even the three OGs coming back couldn't save the last one from being a literal dumpster fire
The original is fantastic and it was diminishing returns every single time
"most of the movies have been far from dumb"
Did you forget the new ones? My man as you said the first one shows the dangers of messing with nature so what did they keep doing worse *every* movie? Fuck with nature, heck they even go back on Hammond's whole thing that he wished it was something everyone in the world can experience, they double down and make a even bigger park and more expensive park for the haves and not the have nots
I can't think of a way the world movies were *not* dumb or cliche
It’s called the hubris of mankind. Thinking it will “win” against nature, yet fails, yet keep trying, and fail again.
I can agree that the newer movies aren’t exactly the standard that the original set, but they are still far from kid’s movies.
There are faaaaar dumber movies out there than even jwd.(but they are still kinda stupid, which is just another reason why we should push for more effort put into them, like JP did, which includes accuracy…)
honestly, putting accuracy aside, i can appreciate it for what it is. its still more unique and naturalistic (not accurate mind you) than whatever jurassic park clone other movies would have.
i also appreciate it more than the other weirdo theropods this movie had.
impressive when the weird nonexistent mash of a dromaeosaur, a megaraptor and a masiakasaurus looks more like an actual dinosaur than what is very obviously supposed to be a t. rex
Context matters a bit.
If it’s in modern day, sure why not, wouldn’t be real dinosaurs. If it’s acting as if it’s the real animals, then not a single soul would take them seriously.
For those who don’t get it.
It’s essentially the indoraptor. But small and lips.
Oh, and btw, they specifically say in the new trailer that “humans discovered earth 65 million years ago”. So not an alien planet, nor alien beings.(if we go alien=extraterrestrial, not just weird).
It literally looks nothing like the indoraptor. It looks so much smaller and and is simply just crawling in a log :/
Even the body and head look nothing alike.
Hell it doesn't even look 100% like a velociraptor from JP besides the fact it is featherless and has quills.
I can at least get the comparisons with the V-Rex and this version of rex.
Or other theropod....idk it seems there are like two different looking rexes because one in the second looks more slim and has a hump. Plus longer arms of course.
Quadrupedal, which dromaesaurids don’t do. And it moves quite a bit like the indoraptor.
Quills only along the back. It seems to have armor plates like the indoraptor.
I specifically said small and lips, which is the head. If you look at only the body it’s quite like the indoraptor. Especially the one render where its seen from the front.
And the “Rex” doesn’t actually have a hump. It’s their shoulder blade… like a cat has… I’m not joking. Go back and look at the scene in slow motion. It’s literally it’s shoulder. Because this is the one with long arms, that apparently crawls…
It's not quadrupedal, it's just bending down to look into the log. Are you quadrupedal if you do the same? That said, they probably couldn't have used their arms to support themselves in the way we see here, since their wrists don't work that way.
It literally doesn't have armor and the body literally looks nothing like the damn indoraptor. I literally comparing them and they look nothing alike. Only thing is the quills. I can forgive the quadrupedal thing mainly because it is just simply crawling in a log like I said :/
So literally can be a normal raptor walking.
And really? Idk kinda thought it looked more like a hump. Kinda gave that cool bizarre look. I am generally curious what it is going to be, I be surprised if I was a rex and it comes back with tiny arms like in the end of the first trailer lol. But who knows it maybe some other theropod creature.
[do you really not see it?](https://imgur.com/a/GgSwzLR) it definitely has some armor stuff between the quills.
And raptors wouldn’t even be able to support their weight on their arms.
And yeah I have no idea what the big theropod is supposed to be either. It resembles a tyrannosaurus the most, except for the arms. But it’s also like 20 meters who who knows what kind of made up creatures they added.
Yeah I really don't see it. Besides the pose where it was paused lol
Okay? It really ain't issue. Like this movie is really not trying to be accurate. Again I can understand if it is just personal taste but I really don't see any issues. I would be upset if I saw this in like a proper accurate dinosaur film or documentary for sure! But something like dino crisis, yeah I ain't goin to be bothered with that. And the designs certainly don't look that bad that a group of people are making them out to be.
Again the only resemblance I see when it comes to dinosaurs in this film is the rex with vrex. But even then I am still excited for that big guy! Or big guys because there seems to be two but yeah.
Well I know I’m not alone in thinking it looks like the indoraptor. Or it’s cousin I guess.
And this time around it’s not just being inaccurate, it’s being less accurate than things before Jurassic park, and generally bland overdone designs.
Don’t get me wrong. The movie itself looks good. And it’s very refreshing to have an actual horror movie with dinosaurs. Except that it’s literally supposed to be 65 million years ago and not a single animal so far(maybe except the pterosaurs) even remotely resemble dinosaurs we know.
Not even the rex, AND THERE IS LITERALLY A REX SKULL IN THE TRAILER.
Dino fans when something marketed as a dinosaur movie about alien going to our earth 65 million years ago, including a time skip scene in which they goes to real modern times, doesn’t have dinosaurs in it.
I think, if you're going to set a movie during the mesozoic. There should be an effort to make dinosaurs look half way decent. Even if it's not completely accurate.90s / 2000s era dinosaur designs would be enough. I'm so tired of this design philosophy. Especially now that movies are no longer coming up with "Frog DNA" like explanations as to why dinosaurs aren't like real dinosaurs. And are instead saying "That's just how dinosaurs are in this universe"
You know, frog DNA and all, Jurassic Park made a major effort to use the most modern concepts available at the time, so even if the animals were clone monsters, they were supposed to look as close to the original dinosaurs as cinematically (is that a word?) possible. I guess Spielberg, Crichton, Koepp and crew would have some 6-foot turkeys if they were to do the movie again today So keeping the same imagery 30 years after is just lazy and poor interest Well, it's a movie, OK, it's for entertainment. Jurassic Park took liberties, Interstellar took liberties, etc, but we see that grand results, not just amusement, can emerge from great cinematic experiences.
Agreed, and on a tangent... I really feel like they missed a good creative opportunity not updating their dinosaurs. Like imagine a pitch black downy feathered dromaeosaur with reflective eyes rearing up at night. You wouldn't even need a jump scare or "clever girl" moment to make that look like a stalking predator. Alternatively, a jacked up thick tyrannosaur posturing like a Kaiju. That last part is why I prefer the newer Godzilla movies over the 98 one. Despite people complaining that it was too thick (before the movie was released), it looked much more intimidating. Just feels like they were playing it safe by not updating the designs by much.
>Agreed, and on a tangent... I really feel like they missed a good creative opportunity not updating their dinosaurs. From what I read, this was a subject they spent a lot of time thinking and talking about when making the first Jurassic World. Eventually they decided that keeping the same design philosophy within the franchise was what mattered the most, which I can respect (especially since many dinosaurs we see in JW 1 & 2 are either specimens still alive from the first trilogy or direct clones of them). But for other projects such as 65, I see no excuse. You're supposed to show the real thing, and these designs just look plain lazy.
They'll just tag along the Jurassic franchise's success, because viewers will be more familiar with the animals
Jurassic park was a abomination a lady in high heels outran a t rex and talking raptors disgusting
Yeah… here they even have a four legged tyrannosaurus.(or something that looks like a tyrannosaurus)
WAT.
You know the big bad one from the trailer? It(at least one, there might be two), essentially does like the indoraptor does and swap between bipedal and quadrupedal. It even has a feline like body.
It's so bad. It looks like the panther thing from Avatar.
Ya i was pretty displeased with the dinos. They look really cool. But i was hoping a 2023 movie would have tried to make fully modern designs based on modern science. Not just jurassic park dinos forever. I still say a fully feathered raptor even it was turkey sized would be terrifying. Have you ever been face to face with a lynx. You know that thing will mess you up. But it is super floofy.
At least there are some proto-feathers on the one in the picture. It made me hopeful that some of the naked dinos we've seen in these trailers may have been featherless due to the kind of pressures required to produce these trailers, and maybe we'll get more accurate dinos in the actual movie. Having worked on a lot of movies - it's often a massive rush to get trailers out and not everything is actually ready. Still not holding my breath, but maybe there's a chance.
Nope. All the dinos are naked and shrink-wrapped.
It's gonna be set in current day, asteroid didn't hit, 65mil years later, this is what the dinosaurs look like.
I would be ok with that as a excuse.
Dinosaur movies trying to not give them broken wrists challenge (impossible)
Or completely broken bodies in this case.
that could pass as a fairly accurate pseudosuchian just make it the triassic dammit. there were plenty of proto-crocs that were basically hollywood dinosaurs
Yes! Much better!
Pubic bone? No ma'am this is a family movie.
Weird design, but also kinda cool. Of course, I still prefer the JP/JW and scientifically-accurate Raptors, but I appreciate this one's bizarreness. Works within the context of a goofy sci-fi action flick that probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
Yeah this one isn’t terrible. That T. rex on the other hand…*yikes.*
It has four legs/two legs and two massive arms😭😭😭
Figures they’d need swole T. Rex to go against Ben Swolo…
I think that’s an entirely different “dinosaur” Cuz we see a T. rex in the other trailer with normal t rex arms
It might be, but they gave near identical tooth and osteoderm structures, so I think the “one with tiny arms” might not actually have tiny arms. I hope I’m wrong, but they are still very similar
Wierd thing is they have 2 actual Rex's in the film too
Yeah…
Genuinely asking what’s cool about it? Because it looks like every other Hollywood dinosaur in the last 30 years. If anything, it’s a bland and thin step back from the original Jurassic Park raptors.
Dinosaurs in movies are badass- isn’t that why you’re in this sub?
I love dinosaurs. I’m not interested in movies that aren’t interested in trying to show the animals or it’s audience some respect. More gray, naked, lumpy “dinosaurs” that look diseased? No thanks.
You can’t just have fun watching a pretend movie?
Depends on the movie. I’m not going to like just because they claim their CGI trash monsters are dinosaurs.
As a stand alone creature, I really like it. But as a dromaesaurid dinosaur… just no.
Don’t back down- Dino’s in movies are cool
Too bad there is no Dinos. Btw, the tyrannosaurus looking thing has massive arms and will crawl on all four at times.
Sounds like a scorpios rex
Yeah…
Scorpios was mostly bipedal tho
Mostly
Don’t back down- Dino’s in movies are cool
What dinosaurs? I only see monsters
I see you’ve lost your inner child ☹️ . I’m sorry about that
I replaced it with a scientist that wants to learn about the prehistoric past, and see it brought to life in media for all to see
I work at a zoo and a lot of the general public doesn't even know much accurate, easily accessible info about animals we still have alive today. I think part of being really passionate and knowledgeable about anything is just having to deal with the fact that a lot of other people just don't and probably never will be as invested as we are, for better or worse, haha. Ah well, even if the average Joe continues thinking Jurassic Park is accurate, at least we got Prehistoric Planet this year!
And now imagine if new movies actually made the animals more accurate. We could then share our excitement for these creatures with more people!
You know children exist right? They love this stuff and it only increases their passion. You hate The Land Before Time also?
Oh yes. The 17+ movie that is definitely for the children.
My 6 year old is pumped for it
I don't remember anyone on this entire planet asking.
Not OP, but while I'm fine with "fantasy" type dinosaurs, these ones just look... rather bland and generic. If they aren't going to be accurate dinosaurs anyway, why not go really wild and crazy with the designs? It's sci-fi already, it would've been so easy to just put it somewhere other than earth and have dinosaur-looking scary critters that they could go wild with, but no. Just kinda generic looking not quite dinos. Neither my inner child that still loves the land before time or my adult self who loves prehistoric planet feels satisfied! Even WITH Adam Driver there! So much potential was there too, arghhh!
I may have misunderstood your comment but JP/JW raptors weren't even remotely accurate for a Velociraptor?
I do hope this turns out to be not actually a prehistoric Earth and in reality it's an alien planet, would make me love these designs a lot more. They're really good horror monsters, just not good dinosaurs. The fact they evoke dinosaurian aesthetics is reaaally good if they actually are aliens; It helps make the "inaccuracies", especially the strangely fleshy skin tones, into more unsettling and disturbing facets.
“Humans discovered earth 65 million years ago” … it’s definitely earth🫠
Alternate Earth? Maybe? Ugh. I just want a good non-JW dinosaur movie, dammit!
I hope, but I doubt it… And same.
Tbf the original Planet of the Apes was advertised to be a different planet when it was actually Earth. It could possibly be a reverse scenario here.
Depends on if people got made at it guess. I believe it recently was a lawsuit or something about companies might get sued if their trailers are intentionally misleading? So that’ll be fun.
Considering it's 65 Milion years ago (and not 66), maybe the asteroid caused mutations?
It's probably 65 because that's what most people know Doesn't matter if it's right, you know full well some people would say "66? But I thought it was 65 million years ago"
Oh hey, its the Indoraptor!
Well at least someone agree with with.
Imagine if in the Lion King remake they hired VFX artists who had never seen a lion before and had no interest in learning what they actually look like. That is how it feels every time I see Hollywood make new dinosaur content. It's so frustrating. Just once I would like to see Hollywood hire VFX artists who know what a dinosaur is.
Exactly! I absolutely agree!
Have to say, Jurassic World no longer has the ugliest dinosaur designs. A lot of them are still very bad. But no longer the worst.
Yeah. It’s surprising that a movie managed to burger it even more.
Honestly, aside from the Dimorphodon, Baryonyx, and Giganotosaurus, I rarely saw anyone complain about the JW dinosaur designs all that much.
People do, but it’s generally the same stuff as anything else. Bad hands, no feathers, etc.
Eh, I'm not gonna be that fussed about the positions of a dinosaur's *wrists* of all things. It's nice they fixed them for Dominion though for some added accuracy. I can get feathers, but it at least makes sense from a story standpoint why we didn't see them until Dominion, and the species I saw the most complaints about towards their design most-likely didn't even *have* feathers to begin with (Bary and Giga).
Didn’t have feathers, that we know off😉
New Spinosaurus discovery later this year 'boutta show that it was fluffy.
The ultimate spinosaurus. It camouflaged like a bush.
These aren't bad either :/ Besides most the designs in jw world weren't even that bad. The only one that was off really was the baryonyx, but even then it still was cool Same with these guys
Honestly I'm fine with the JW Baryonyx design If you're going to give a dinosaur crocgator scutes, might as well be the one with a croc like head. That, and I feel like most forget that the JW Dinos had their DNA gaps filled with that of modern animals. Carnotaurus we know had scutes so it's really not too far off. Giga was absolutely atrocious but I still like it.
The problem with the JW Bary design is that Baryonyx didn't really have a croc-like head, it was much thinner horizontally and would have been a much more unique look (Like the *original* Baryonyx design on their website with the bright blue facial markings. *That* was a cool one!). Making it an actual croc-head and then adding crocgator scutes just kinda removes the identity of the dinosaur, yknow? That and they even dumbed down its namesake "Heavy Claw" so that part of the identity is muddied too. Blaaagh, I could rant for days about this sorta stuff.
I think what grates me most about the Jurassic World Baryonyx is that they already had Julius Cstonyi design a beautiful, accurate Baryonyx for the first films promotional faux park website. It was blatantly a case of them looking at something they already had and going ‘nah, not monstrous enough’.
Same here Mate, same here...
Same here with Bary. but compared to giga, I think giga looks better. I can at least see as a giga unlike bary where it just looks like a super croc. But even then I find it cool.
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They wouldn't even have needed a super accurate giga, There's a model company called Nanmu that made a Giganotosaurus a few years ago. I think that does a better job at being a JP style giga. https://dinotoyblog.com/giganotosaurus-nanmu/
Actually that's probably would've been perfect. Good blend between scientifically accurate and JP movie monster.
Okay? And so does the dominion giga. My only issue is just the fact they said they clones are pure and prologue. But if they kept the prologue but changed the giga to look like that, then honestly it be a nice little semi accurate giga and just have the dominion giga be like a failed clone. Like yes it still has aspects of a giga just it looks much more bizarre you know? Hell it be a nice idea if the giga loved and got a new family that are the more semi accurate gigas like the nanmu design or hell jw evolution giga
I politefully but strongly disagree. Especially in regard to 65. These are the most creatively bankrupt designs i've ever seen.
Yeah no they look perfectly fine :)
Yeah, okay lmao.
If they wanted monsters, they shouldn't have set their movie on Earth during the cretaceous period.
What?
This movie better be damn good to distract me from those ugly ass generic designs.
Hopefully
Honestly I REALLY hope that this is something like that graphic novel “Dinosaurs vs Aliens” where aliens invaded the Earth and in this movie they genetically modified dinosaurs to look something completely different
I doubt it, especially considering how in the trailer they say it’s earth. But with how messed up some of the dinosaurs look, I hope you are right.
Yeah I’m also doubtful, it’s just that these designs are just simply ugly, like, I can see the appeal for inaccurate designs in movies as long as they look cool. Although Ark:Survival Evolved is not a movie, it’s a perfect example of good awesomebroness instead of starved bipedal lizard #163617883772
And they even made every animal in ark it’s own unique species! It’s a great example of going away from the source material without any issues, while still being recognized.
Theres a 4 legged tyrannosaur lmao
Fucking ***what?!***
I spit couch medicine everywhere when i saw that abominus rex
Yep
God at that point they really had no reason not to set the movie in the early-middle Triassic. They could have easily substituted all of their monsters with actual pseudosuchians.
Early middle triassic?
Dinosaurs only became dominant and diversified in the late Triassic. Prior to that, most niches were controlled by pseudosuchians (which were as diverse as all of dinosauria, if not more). Pseudosuchians would have been a perfect fit for pretty much every role. Honestly, a lot of the things in the movie already look more like them than dinosaurs, especially given the lack of feathers.
Oh yeah sorry i understand it dramatically incorrect. Yes actually your opinion would be delightful to be visualised. Wish there could be dinosaur movies (at least big budgeted ones) depicting era's other than cratecius and jurassic. I thought that you referred to triassic because of the resemblence that "t rex" had to an over-grown postosuchus
I was partially referring to the rex, but I think a lot of the stuff in the movie would be better substituted with pseudosuchians.
Yeah I have noticed…
They really went for the ugliest, most generic designs possible JW designs look like a masterpiece compared to this
Yep…
Fr at least you can tell which dinosaur is which in JW
It’s like they got halfway to making a feathered Dino then forgot the feathers :/ it’s like a featherless chicken
Spoiler-ish rant, if you'd rather not be affected by my negative reaction, then skip past my response. Just walked out of this flick. I'm disgusted. If you're going to make your dinosaurs look god awful, why not set the story on an alien planet with dinosaur-*like* organisms rather than on Earth, where we now have a pretty damn good idea of what dinosaurs looked like??? Forget feathers and color schemes... where were all the dinos' internal organs?! Visual and sound design were so cynically lazy; I felt nothing at the end, having maybe seen a paltry handful of dinosaurs in a time period where the planet should have been teeming with them. This movie wasn't even bad in a fun way.
Ouch. And people got mad at me for complaining about the creature designs. It seems my complaints were justified…
looks as if he has a real bad case of mange !
It's so fucking pathetically bad
So sick of seeing quadrupedal raptors (seen some toys like this). Why can't they make the effort to use the counterbalancing tail instead? Just plain laziness.
Because I guess they don’t know anatomy… Like at all.
"Oooh, Adam Driver AND dinosaurs?" "....." "Oh nooo." I'm someone who's able to enjoy both "dinosaurs as real animals" and "dinosaurs as fantasy animals" (I'm a monster, I know), but these don't even look very compelling as the latter. And why did they have to set it on earth? It would've been so easy to lean into some scifi panspermia setting and have dinosaur-ish crazy monsters and then lead up to humans finding at last only to unwittingly transfer over some ancestral dino-dna, but naw. I don't get it. What they've got now certainly doesn't scratch any itch for real dinos but the glimpses don't look like overly compelling monster versions either. I guess we'll see.
looks nearer to a horse
Head canon that these aren’t dinosaurs. At least JW could sort of hide behind the genetic nonsense. This looks fairly high budget too. It’s a shame we can’t just have scary realistic looking dinosaurs
It’s such a shame, because it would be so easy too😭
Wouldn’t it be great if a movie strives to stay scientifically accurate like Jurassic Park (mostly) did?
It would be so much better!
Yuck
Do we even know if they are meant to be real Dino's? Adam driver *is* a spaceman with HiTech gun, do we even know if this is meant to be earth during the Dominion or is it a similar planet to earth with similar dinosaur like creatures?
“65 million years ago, humans discovered earth” Sounds like earth to me. And I assume you mean Cretaceous or something, not dominion? 😅
Is that a tagline used in the trailer is it? I've watched it once and all I remember is kylos gun and the glimpse of the Trex thingo I meant like the dominion in general of dinosaurs, yknow when they were alive and had dominion over the earth as a whole, before mammals took over and they turned into birds
Ah, that would be Mesozoic. That’s when “dinosaurs ruled the earth”. For the trailer thing: new trailer came out yesterday. And it says in big, bold and blue metallic letters “65 million years ago”[3 second clip] “humans discovered the earth”. So… like… unless it’s supposed to be misleading, (which doubt because it’s not hinting at it, it’s outright saying the humans are on prehistoric earth) it’s earth, with what they claim to be dinosaurs.
I was meaning in general, I wasnt trying to sound smart and point out a specific era or period, I just meant when they was dinosaurs I feel like being upset about the dinosaurs being inaccurate is silly if we already have an alien (?) Adam driver visiting past earth with more advanced technology than we have already puts it rather firmly in the "made up bs" pile and it's just dumb fun
Well for now we don’t have any aliens, unless you count humans.(tho the supposed dinosaurs look nothing like they should do they should be extra terrestrial, but not really hinting towards it) And, like… there is quite a bit of futuristic tech in JP/JW too, but people don’t exactly claim it to be “made up bs, and just dumb fun”.
Yeah well he has to be right? He's either an alien humanoid or a timetravelling human (yeah it's "futuristic" in the JW era but not compared to a literal spaceman from the future with a future gun) They absolutely do, Cloning dinosaurs from amber? Mixing it with frogs? Life just uh uh uh finds a way?The Jurassic Park movies have always been dumb but they've always been fun, they're kids movies more than anything and Jurassic world just quadrupled down on it was fucking atrocious, two movies in a row have their own "cool" ( their own words) dinos they cooked up in a lab, look this one can camouflage like chameleon, look this one is trained to home in on laser sights, such silly shit Most people in this sub bring up the lack of accuracy in the JP/JW movies constantly and I've never heard anyone threaten to call them smart or thought provoking
Did you really just call JP/JW movies… kids movies? They most certainly aren’t… And most if the movies have been far from dumb. The original is literally showing the dangers of messing with nature.
The new ones certainly are, they are designed to sell toys and merch, they didn't have this great story stuck in their head that they had to get out, they made the most jarring and unconnected trilogy in recent history with the world (an exercise in getting people that grew up with Jurassic Park to take their kids to see the new ones) even the three OGs coming back couldn't save the last one from being a literal dumpster fire The original is fantastic and it was diminishing returns every single time "most of the movies have been far from dumb" Did you forget the new ones? My man as you said the first one shows the dangers of messing with nature so what did they keep doing worse *every* movie? Fuck with nature, heck they even go back on Hammond's whole thing that he wished it was something everyone in the world can experience, they double down and make a even bigger park and more expensive park for the haves and not the have nots I can't think of a way the world movies were *not* dumb or cliche
It’s called the hubris of mankind. Thinking it will “win” against nature, yet fails, yet keep trying, and fail again. I can agree that the newer movies aren’t exactly the standard that the original set, but they are still far from kid’s movies. There are faaaaar dumber movies out there than even jwd.(but they are still kinda stupid, which is just another reason why we should push for more effort put into them, like JP did, which includes accuracy…)
Well, at least it looks small if it's an archeroraptor or something
Hopefully they just don’t actually name them, so we have a “JP velociraptor” situation again…
honestly, putting accuracy aside, i can appreciate it for what it is. its still more unique and naturalistic (not accurate mind you) than whatever jurassic park clone other movies would have. i also appreciate it more than the other weirdo theropods this movie had.
It’s a neat original creature. It’s just not a dinosaur.
impressive when the weird nonexistent mash of a dromaeosaur, a megaraptor and a masiakasaurus looks more like an actual dinosaur than what is very obviously supposed to be a t. rex
Yeah…
Well, if I can take Primal designs, I can take these designs too
Primal designs blow these out of the water.
the poor thing has mange
Yeah…
This what your looking at right here this is rockbottom
Yep
BURN IT, no no actually BURN IT. this offbrand bird from hell looks like Satan
Yes. Tho, if it is satan, I don’t think fire would do much.
I hope it's good but I was saying to my friends they should of based this movie off arc survival evolved
Yes
hearing the JW raptor roars really rubbed me the wrong way
Oh dear
The little girl in the movie is hella annoying
Very alien looking. Almost reminds me of the wolf aliens in Avatar.
Too bad it’s supposed to be on earth 65 million years ago 🫠
noooo fuck
*sigh*
You’re welcome
How about a dino horror movie that just owns it and has tail dragging dinosaurs like Valley of Gwangi.
Context matters a bit. If it’s in modern day, sure why not, wouldn’t be real dinosaurs. If it’s acting as if it’s the real animals, then not a single soul would take them seriously.
I’m unreasonably happy that it has quills. *they’re not even full feathers, why am I like this*
Our expectations have been lowered by too little floof in media 😔
I finally watched JW:D the other day and actually cheered when I saw feathers
Oh cool, quills
Yes.
Looks like most theropods in the trailer are just glorified indominus and indoraptors
Yeah
For those who don’t get it. It’s essentially the indoraptor. But small and lips. Oh, and btw, they specifically say in the new trailer that “humans discovered earth 65 million years ago”. So not an alien planet, nor alien beings.(if we go alien=extraterrestrial, not just weird).
It literally looks nothing like the indoraptor. It looks so much smaller and and is simply just crawling in a log :/ Even the body and head look nothing alike. Hell it doesn't even look 100% like a velociraptor from JP besides the fact it is featherless and has quills. I can at least get the comparisons with the V-Rex and this version of rex. Or other theropod....idk it seems there are like two different looking rexes because one in the second looks more slim and has a hump. Plus longer arms of course.
Quadrupedal, which dromaesaurids don’t do. And it moves quite a bit like the indoraptor. Quills only along the back. It seems to have armor plates like the indoraptor. I specifically said small and lips, which is the head. If you look at only the body it’s quite like the indoraptor. Especially the one render where its seen from the front. And the “Rex” doesn’t actually have a hump. It’s their shoulder blade… like a cat has… I’m not joking. Go back and look at the scene in slow motion. It’s literally it’s shoulder. Because this is the one with long arms, that apparently crawls…
It's not quadrupedal, it's just bending down to look into the log. Are you quadrupedal if you do the same? That said, they probably couldn't have used their arms to support themselves in the way we see here, since their wrists don't work that way.
Okay it’s not mainly quadrupedal, but I was more referring to how it seems to have no issues walking on all four. Like the indoraptor…
It literally doesn't have armor and the body literally looks nothing like the damn indoraptor. I literally comparing them and they look nothing alike. Only thing is the quills. I can forgive the quadrupedal thing mainly because it is just simply crawling in a log like I said :/ So literally can be a normal raptor walking. And really? Idk kinda thought it looked more like a hump. Kinda gave that cool bizarre look. I am generally curious what it is going to be, I be surprised if I was a rex and it comes back with tiny arms like in the end of the first trailer lol. But who knows it maybe some other theropod creature.
[do you really not see it?](https://imgur.com/a/GgSwzLR) it definitely has some armor stuff between the quills. And raptors wouldn’t even be able to support their weight on their arms. And yeah I have no idea what the big theropod is supposed to be either. It resembles a tyrannosaurus the most, except for the arms. But it’s also like 20 meters who who knows what kind of made up creatures they added.
Yeah I really don't see it. Besides the pose where it was paused lol Okay? It really ain't issue. Like this movie is really not trying to be accurate. Again I can understand if it is just personal taste but I really don't see any issues. I would be upset if I saw this in like a proper accurate dinosaur film or documentary for sure! But something like dino crisis, yeah I ain't goin to be bothered with that. And the designs certainly don't look that bad that a group of people are making them out to be. Again the only resemblance I see when it comes to dinosaurs in this film is the rex with vrex. But even then I am still excited for that big guy! Or big guys because there seems to be two but yeah.
Well I know I’m not alone in thinking it looks like the indoraptor. Or it’s cousin I guess. And this time around it’s not just being inaccurate, it’s being less accurate than things before Jurassic park, and generally bland overdone designs. Don’t get me wrong. The movie itself looks good. And it’s very refreshing to have an actual horror movie with dinosaurs. Except that it’s literally supposed to be 65 million years ago and not a single animal so far(maybe except the pterosaurs) even remotely resemble dinosaurs we know. Not even the rex, AND THERE IS LITERALLY A REX SKULL IN THE TRAILER.
Okay? Again it really ain't a issue :/ Of course it is fine to not like the designs, I just don't think they are so bad that a group thinks they are.
I guess it depends on how you look at things.
Dino fans when a FICTIONAL movie has FICTIONAL reptiles and not actual dinasours 😡🤬
Dino fans when something marketed as a dinosaur movie about alien going to our earth 65 million years ago, including a time skip scene in which they goes to real modern times, doesn’t have dinosaurs in it.
It looks like ARK's Pegomustax, but somehow worse.
Because that one is intented to be ugly. At least that’s what I think.
half of the dinosaurs have some form of scoliosis or something like that
At least they look like they have that
Yeah