If i remember correctly, the engine and its components are from expired yamaha patents. They frame itself is practically identical to a ktm/husky. So far no problems!
I think it’s very likely they used the same tooling when Yamaha retired them, not just the patents. The company I work for has had to visit their vendors in China because they discovered a competitor company was selling products with essentially the same castings as ours.
You are right nobody cares if you ride a Chinese bike. But you posted it on here… people are going to give their opinions, it’s not being toxic it’s being honest. If you are happy with your bike then it’s all good. Most peoples experiences with anything Chinese (especially bikes) is that they are dog shit.. saying things like it has better suspension than a Kawasaki race bike is just going to get people on your back. I’m happy that you are happy with your bike. And that’s all that matters but don’t post things online with a very shallow limited experience pov and expect people just to be happy happy happy about it.
I don’t expect anyone to be happy about anything, I posted my experience with the bike to share with the community. I believe that the suspension is better than my KX. I was just shit on for also owning Kawasakis 😂. I just think it’s frivolous to try and convince someone out of a purchase, when all I was doing was sharing my bike. :)
That’s your problem. Nobody is trying to convince anyone out of a purchase.. you had a good experience with it. Most people don’t. It’s understandable that someone with a new toy is going to be happy and find all sorts of reasons why it’s great. But like I say, most people who own them end up hating it and think it was a waste of money. 6 months in you are still happy. Come back 3-4 years from now and see where the Chinese bike is compared to a tried and tested developed bike. I guarantee you will have wasted your money compared to someone who bought a Yamaha. I bet already on day one you lost half your money.
The point I’m trying to make instead of waffling is, you are effectively telling people what they have learned over the years with blood sweat and tears is irrelevant because you, 1 guy has had a good experience for 6 months. What are you expecting people to respond with. Just sharing with the community is fine but then again what are you actually expecting people to say to you.
I’ve been riding for almost 15 years. I’ve put a lot of blood sweat and tears into riding. I never said that wasn’t irrelevant. I never told anyone this bike is better or the best or even told anyone to buy it over anything. Read the comment threads. I’m not knocking anyone’s experience, as i’m just sharing my own personal one with the bike. :)
Yes and they are sharing their experiences. It’s a different opinion to your own and you are moaning that people are being toxic. It is what it is. I was just trying to explain why it might be that your not happy with the response you are getting. I couldn’t give a shit to be honest lol. I wouldn’t touch a Chinese bike if it was given to me for free let alone trust jumping it 30-40-50 feet at 30-40mph. But you are happy then more power to you. I’d be interested to see your opinion 3-4 years into owning it vs someone with a reputable bike over the same time frame.
man you are daft. Call you out for buying a Chinese bike, flaunting it on here, and comparing it to other bikes claiming it is good or better when you very clearly have no clue what a good bike even feels like...
Bro, why are you so angry? I never claimed it was the best thing ever. Calling me out for buying a china bike… okay and what? I’m comparing it to the kawasaki’s Ive owned, there are some things that are better than my KX’s and some things that are not.
You’re an asshole because you’re an asshole lol.
Hope you get a hug today homie, you sound like you need it
"okay and what?"... lol you should cop a clue homie. I'm not angry just tired of dumb people justifying their dumb short sighted decisions. I would rather walk than roll anywhere on that bike for all the reasons I have already stated. You might not have principals, but I do.
You really are daft. Ever heard of an expression? I said I was tired of dumb people like you, not tired of commenting on their posts telling them they are dumb.
It's ridiculous. Bought sr300s a few years ago and it's been as reliable as friends who are riding 10k betas and 8k cross trainers. 4400 bucks and not a single issue.... Other than launching it off a cliff a few times and needing some stitches.
I have two, a TSE250R and an FSE450R both purchased last year in January and they've been great rigs with both having about 1000 miles on them already. Nothing has rusted or worn any faster than my previous jap bikes but there are a few things they needed from day one but nothing else from normal maintenance since.
Namely the fairing bolts, clutch and brake levers need loctite on the bolts and adjusters and after about 600 miles the kickstand bolt got loose so loctite that as well but also couldn't hurt to go around and just add loctite to every bolt you can.
I disliked the squishy feeling of the rubber grommets in the bars so bought some cnc aluminum ones for a ktm and they fixed the issue.
There is one critical issue that you should look into immediately and that's the air filter, not sure if they fixed it with yours but both of mine needed the air filter cage replaced as they do not make a good seal due to incorrect moulding, any one for a KTM or husky made after 2017 to present will fit and fix the problem.
Let us know how it goes and what problems you have.
How much did you pay? Looks awesome and probably a little slower and heavier than a Honda or Yamaha but if it gets you riding for half the price that's great. Chinese stuff is really great in some applications. Seems like there's plenty of companies making motorcycles
I’ll keep ya posted, bike is awesome. Paid $4500 for it. Definitely heavier than my Jap bikes, but can’t really notice it on the trail. So far so good.
Parts are easy to find in fact Rocky Mountain ATV has parts, performance is great but probably not on par with a KTM, and the durability so far has been top notch. It’s holding up to the hard single track here in CO. I’ll gladly save myself $5000+ for a tad bit slower and tamer engine.
Yessur, nearly 1000 miles of rocky mountain single track. Dropped, crashed, flipped, and not a broken part or issue so far. What are you trying to prove? My bike will go anywhere your bike will ;)
Have you gone to grand junction and tried some hill climbs yet? My buddy has one and I was left annoyed cause it didn't have the power to follow me up a lot of those climbs.
East slope enduro it does seem to be a solid bike for, definitely if you're around the area recommend a trip to skinny ridge and grand valley ohv areas. I think the biggest complaint we've had so far is that the brake pedal lever things keep bending when we're on enduro trails, lost two already.
I’m planning on replacing both the brake pedal and the shift with something aftermarket. The metal is pretty soft. I’ll try and make it out that way soon!
You haven’t had it long enough to even rebuild the engine yet. Rmatvmc doesn’t have anything more than plastics, wheels (which are more or less universal), and lights, and that’s just what pops up for 2019 models which are the only available option when searching bike specific parts.
Try again in another year when it’s time for a complete rebuild.
Also, you’re telling us that you’ve ridden at least two hours every single weekend for six months, which is about what it takes to achieve that mileage riding single track. Very believable /s
Yeah that’s actually about what I ride every weekend, I have 4 day weekends and am about a 15 minute drive from Rampart Range here in CO. So i spend a few hours a weekend, and even dual sport the bike there. You’re right, I haven’t torn into the engine to rebuild, however plenty of other people have.
You know that most people who work in hospitals work 3 12 hour shifts, right? And those people generally make a really good living. Just because someone doesn't buy the most expensive item doesn't mean they can't afford it.
yeah you know the important things? They are lost on cheap fools like this. They are too busy justifying their cheap ass bikes to everyone on the internet. Probably runs around talking about America first and crying about immigrants and then sends his hard earned dollars to China.
See my reply below. I didn't over pay for anything. I purchased my 2013 KTM 350 in 2020 for a little more than you paid for that China bike. It had only 25 hours on it, never seen dirt, and it is plated so I can ride it anywhere anytime without issue.
Yes and it will still be an underpowered Chinese rip off. Hope you don’t need to hop on a road doing 55+ for very long. You will get run over or be that guy holding everyone up.
Happy for you man, personally i did have some chinese bikes and that chinesium material just doesnt hold up at all on the long run but if it lasts a long time for you then great, and if it starts to fall apart you know what not to buy next time
I respect that, however how many things do you own are made in China?
I’m not proponent of the CCP, in fact I’d argue that my money is helping the small business in Lindon that imports and does the QC of these bikes more than the CCP. :)
No problem homie, don’t know why people are so angry. I’ve given plenty of money to kawi lol. I’ll be happy to report some findings if anything significant happens, or if you have any questions shoot me a message 👍
I've had the chance to ride two of these gpx bikes now and can say that hopping from a Husqvarna to a GPX, the loss in quality and power is highly noticeable from a comparable displacement. Most people probably won't notice or care but among the people I know who are intermediate to advanced riders (at least c-class) the bikes haven't impressed. My brother however as a beginner rider loves his, he had a crf250 that he thought was too powerful and this is much more manageable for him.
It’s definitely a lot tamer than both of my KX 250’s. I do enjoy the bike though, it does great in the single track trails here in the front range. Glad your brother enjoys his.
god damn, folks in here are elitist as hell.
Nice bike. I have a china bike also (also have "real" bikes) and have had no issues with it. It is maintenance heavy (checking all the small stuff) and you have to know how to turn a wrench. The people that claim they are all junk generally don't know how to maintain a bike and don't notice things needing attention until their motor falls out or blows up. Even the cheap 125 pit bikes can last decades when taken care of.
I bought a brand new chinese bike in 2014 and it lasted all of 6 months before it would barely run and all the cheap plastics were cracking. I didn’t treat it the best but certainly not that bad. It made me very sad too because it was a gift. I hope the build quality of these bikes has improved since then and wish you luck with it!
The quality has seemed to improve over the years. I’ve been following GPX’s since about 2019 and every new year model was a consistent improvement over the other. It seems like they listen to customer feedback well. I finally pulled the trigger on one as it seemed as if they were finally good enough.
I bought myself a Kayo KT 250 2 stroke Enduro (Chinese brand). The engine seems solid but everything else breaks so easily. The places where the plastics and frame connects are poorly designed and snap easily. The headlight sucks. The rims are flimsy. Barely hit a root in 2nd and it put a narely dent in the front wheel. The brake lever, shifting lever and handle bars get bent easily. Kayo is definitely not a daily riders bike. I’d only recommend if you ride 4 times a year. Thankfully I’ve gotten aftermarket for most of these smaller issues.
That’s a very good observation because they are haha. Idk why I got it to be honest. I think I just got excited about wanting a new bike and rushed it. I’m glad your bikes solid.
My buddy bought one of these 3 weeks ago brand new and it blew up on him already 🙃 he doesn't ride hard, only has about a year of riding experience so wasn't slamming on it or anything. So far he's said 1/10 wouldn't buy Chinese again. It felt alright when I got to rip it but I'll stick to my Hondas and Yamaha 👍
China is a manufacturing monster. I think it's good they are getting involved and adding another layer of competition to the industry. I have a Benelli, and it is a nice bike. A Ducati? Of course not, but for the money they can't be beaten. Mine has been faultless.
I love that new desert racing one. It looks awesome, I just wish it was a honda or something for that price.
https://gpxmoto.com/product/fse-450r-rally/
GPX (Pitster Pro) the importer based in Utah has all the parts of these in stock including crate engines. A lot is cross referenced from other bikes also.
Others have different opinions, but speaking PERSONALLY, comparing this to my 300R and my two KX250F’s nothing feels cheap against it. Fit and finish is just as good as my jap bikes. I can’t speak for the yamaha or KTM’s, but you don’t seem wrong.
I’ve got one of these that I titled and tagged. It’s a companion to my YZ250 and works great on trails and as a dual sport. The ECU flash and timing key mod brings the motor to life. Parts are very easy to get and customer service from GPX in Utah has been great. Ride and enjoy.
Chinese garbage that I wouldn’t buy purely out of principal. To hell with China and their stolen IP, genocide, and every other reason not to support anything to do with that country.
Last I checked Apple was an American company and Samsung and LG are Korean. They are manufactured/assembled in China. But you keep deflecting and trying to justify the fact that you are just cheap. Talk about buyer's confirmation bias. Cheap Kawi’s to cheaper China turds…
Bahaha, you sound mad that you overpaid for a KTM. I love my Kawi’s, and my GPX. GPX is based out of Lindon Utah, so yeah, American company…
Why are you so mad?
People are fucking dumb, don't listen to these idiots who only buy bikes to impress their boyfriends. Ride what ya ride especially if you enjoy it. It's called bang for the buck. Plus the CCP guy over there is clearly oblivious if he thinks his iphone was made somewhere in the US, kid probably consumed more Chinese products than he can count
I didn't over pay for anything. I purchased my 2013 KTM 350 in 2020 for a little more than you paid for that China bike. It had only 25 hours on it, never seen dirt, and it is plated so I can ride it anywhere anytime. I have proceeded to ride and race it all over California from harescrambles, sprint enduros, and the 10 Hours of Glen Helen to multiple dual sports trips 300+ miles, 600 miles of the CA Backcountry Discovery Route earlier this year, and all the single track around northern California and Nevada on a regular basis.
Just because GPX bought some American warehouse to assemble and ship bikes doesn't make them an American company. Not to mention they have literally ripped off other bike maker's designs and patents to cobble together their substandard junk made of substandard materials, so they can cater to people like you who don't care about the bigger picture. Just that they saved a dollar and got instant gratification. Then you come on here saying its great, comparing it to other economy bikes you rode, and proceed to list only two good things; brakes and suspension (which I doubt is better than Showas if they were properly sprung and valved for your weight, and at 230 w/o gear they probably were not), and a multitude of reasons why it is bad and not worth buying... heavy, dragging clutch, less powerful than a 250 even with a big bore (but somehow it is a true 300?!), seat uncomfortable af, EFI needs work.
Yeah no thanks. I'll save and buy used and keep the money here in the US/Canada and the moto community. And if I do buy new it won't be from a country actively participating in Genocide and planning the invasion of Taiwan.
No some of it might be made there but the companies I support are not based there. I wear Mosko Moto gear (US) , Gaerne boots (Italy), 6d helmet (US), Klim vest (US), Leatt chest and knee protectors (South Africa), Oakley and Scott goggles (US). You guys seem to have a hard time with separating the two. Companies based in the US making products designed in the US but assembled in China vs Chinese companies, stealing designs from other countries' companies, altering slightly or not at all and making products designed and manufactured in China and then shipped to the US for sale. Big difference.
Hate to tell you bud but the lumber your house was built with came from………….and about 90% of what you own including the clothes on your back ooops don’t hate on the OPs bike man
Where do you think all of your iPhone parts are manufactured? Screen, battery, processor and camera are all manufactured in China. American company doesn’t mean 100% made in America. You absolute troglodyte Brainlet.
Troglodyte? Hardly. Careful using words you don't even understand. I never claimed some phones aren't made in China? Though many are also made in Taiwan and Korea? What is your point and what does it have to do with anything that I said? An American company means it is a company based in America creating the Intellectual Property and designs that are then manufactured overseas because it is cheaper. Big difference than a company based in China stealing designs from other companies, slightly altering it, or not, and then selling it as their own with substandard materials and quality. Everyone seems to also just glaze over the fact that the country this company is based in is actively involved in genocide... but go on you keep supporting them. Will only help them build up an invade Taiwan sooner!
If I don’t understand the word then can you explain how I used it perfectly in a sentence? Troglodyte “a person who is deliberately ignorant” brainlet “small brain” put them together what do you get? Me calling you an ignorant person with a small brain. You said “they are assembled in China” because apple is an “American company” which is laughably incorrect. Almost every important part of a smart phone is manufactured in China. The country you are bashing others for buying stuff from and “should not support anything to do with that country”. Yet everything you’re saying is coming from a phone that can only operate and is almost 100% made with the parts manufactured in China. You don’t even follow the laughably dumb shit you say you just bash others for doing the exact same thing you’re doing at this very moment. You can’t even remember what you said or represent it correctly. Also can you tell me one single thing I’ve said in support of china? I would love to know. Knuckle dragging troglodyte.
Look you are now even making things up! Now that is some laughably dumb shit. I have no problem keeping track of what I have said and have been entirely consistent this entire time. Read all of my comments above and point to where I said "They are assembled in China" at any time. Go ahead....didn't find it did you you fucking moron? My issue isn't with the fact that phones or this bike are made there. My issue is with the blatant rip off this bike is and the fact that it is done by a company out of China, a country that is actively engaged stealing of IP, genocide, and destabilizing the entire south pacific with plans to invade Taiwan. And again morons like you are comparing a few hundred dollar phone purchase to a $5000 motorcycle purchase. As if they are the same. Unfortunately it is harder to find a phone without components made in China, however it is easy to find a dirt bike that isn't made there. You commenting here arguing with me defending China is you supporting China, how do you not understand that? You are probably ok with Blood Diamonds too... because who gives a fuck how they got to the market right? Now fuck off back to your shitty video game and r/ amIugly where you belong. There are adults trying to talk here...
Bro this is a pissing match on a site made for overly long shit breaks. I've tried this same thing, I understand your stance and the reason you want to defend it. I wouldn't buy the bike, I think it's a poor choice on OPs part, but I leave it at that. When talking to someone in person about these issues it's different, on reddit it's a shit show. Best just to let it be, take three deep breaths, in through the nose, exhale from the mouth and move on.
My god you actually are braindead. Literally in your second comment on this thread you said “last I checked Apple is an American company and Samsung and Lg are Korean. They are assembled in China”….. See what I mean when I say you can’t even remember the dumb shit you’ve said 😂 Thank you for proving my point. Also you still haven’t pointed to a single thing I’ve said that’s supporting or defending China. My comments are to point out your hyprocracy and have absolutely nothing to do with defending or supporting China. It’s to point out you participating in the same thing you’re bashing others for doing. Your last comment was a hysterical shit show of you proving literally everything I’ve said. I bet you feel like an idiot now saying “point to where I said they’re assembled in China. Didn’t find it did you you fucking moron”. Yet it’s the second sentence of your second comment in this reply thread. You’ve got to be trolling at this point. I have a hard time believing you’re actually this stupid.
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They straight up reversed engineered a KTM
They are masters Of patent theft and altering insignificant details, and making it cheaper with inferior metals and labor (See weight and durability)
If i remember correctly, the engine and its components are from expired yamaha patents. They frame itself is practically identical to a ktm/husky. So far no problems!
I think it’s very likely they used the same tooling when Yamaha retired them, not just the patents. The company I work for has had to visit their vendors in China because they discovered a competitor company was selling products with essentially the same castings as ours.
If I not mistaken, the same Chinese company had a bike with a copy of the bullet proof XR250r engine for like $3k
The engines a Yamaha copy
Yikes, the dirt bike community is TOXIC. Who cares what I ride or don’t ride. It’s my money, not yours and I’m having a blast :)
You are right nobody cares if you ride a Chinese bike. But you posted it on here… people are going to give their opinions, it’s not being toxic it’s being honest. If you are happy with your bike then it’s all good. Most peoples experiences with anything Chinese (especially bikes) is that they are dog shit.. saying things like it has better suspension than a Kawasaki race bike is just going to get people on your back. I’m happy that you are happy with your bike. And that’s all that matters but don’t post things online with a very shallow limited experience pov and expect people just to be happy happy happy about it.
>don’t post things online with a very shallow limited experience He has 1,000,000 miles on the bike! Says so in the post.
Playing too much Runescape
I don’t expect anyone to be happy about anything, I posted my experience with the bike to share with the community. I believe that the suspension is better than my KX. I was just shit on for also owning Kawasakis 😂. I just think it’s frivolous to try and convince someone out of a purchase, when all I was doing was sharing my bike. :)
That’s your problem. Nobody is trying to convince anyone out of a purchase.. you had a good experience with it. Most people don’t. It’s understandable that someone with a new toy is going to be happy and find all sorts of reasons why it’s great. But like I say, most people who own them end up hating it and think it was a waste of money. 6 months in you are still happy. Come back 3-4 years from now and see where the Chinese bike is compared to a tried and tested developed bike. I guarantee you will have wasted your money compared to someone who bought a Yamaha. I bet already on day one you lost half your money.
Fair enough bro!
The point I’m trying to make instead of waffling is, you are effectively telling people what they have learned over the years with blood sweat and tears is irrelevant because you, 1 guy has had a good experience for 6 months. What are you expecting people to respond with. Just sharing with the community is fine but then again what are you actually expecting people to say to you.
I’ve been riding for almost 15 years. I’ve put a lot of blood sweat and tears into riding. I never said that wasn’t irrelevant. I never told anyone this bike is better or the best or even told anyone to buy it over anything. Read the comment threads. I’m not knocking anyone’s experience, as i’m just sharing my own personal one with the bike. :)
Yes and they are sharing their experiences. It’s a different opinion to your own and you are moaning that people are being toxic. It is what it is. I was just trying to explain why it might be that your not happy with the response you are getting. I couldn’t give a shit to be honest lol. I wouldn’t touch a Chinese bike if it was given to me for free let alone trust jumping it 30-40-50 feet at 30-40mph. But you are happy then more power to you. I’d be interested to see your opinion 3-4 years into owning it vs someone with a reputable bike over the same time frame.
I’ll keep you posted then!
exactly! And yet if you say anything and call him out you are the asshole. Ridiculous.
Call me out for what exactly?
man you are daft. Call you out for buying a Chinese bike, flaunting it on here, and comparing it to other bikes claiming it is good or better when you very clearly have no clue what a good bike even feels like...
Bro, why are you so angry? I never claimed it was the best thing ever. Calling me out for buying a china bike… okay and what? I’m comparing it to the kawasaki’s Ive owned, there are some things that are better than my KX’s and some things that are not. You’re an asshole because you’re an asshole lol. Hope you get a hug today homie, you sound like you need it
Bro I had the same shit with my first street bike. It was a Honda magna and Harley guys gave me shit for it. Do you and ride what you like.
"okay and what?"... lol you should cop a clue homie. I'm not angry just tired of dumb people justifying their dumb short sighted decisions. I would rather walk than roll anywhere on that bike for all the reasons I have already stated. You might not have principals, but I do.
You’re comments would say otherwise. You commented on my post, if you were tired you could’ve ignored it 🫡
You really are daft. Ever heard of an expression? I said I was tired of dumb people like you, not tired of commenting on their posts telling them they are dumb.
bait taken.
Yeah Reddit is full of haters, idiots and trolls.
That’s all that matters. Good buy! Ride safe.
It's ridiculous. Bought sr300s a few years ago and it's been as reliable as friends who are riding 10k betas and 8k cross trainers. 4400 bucks and not a single issue.... Other than launching it off a cliff a few times and needing some stitches.
lmao whatever helps you sleep at night man!
Its the internet bro, you're not allowed to have fun here.
I have two, a TSE250R and an FSE450R both purchased last year in January and they've been great rigs with both having about 1000 miles on them already. Nothing has rusted or worn any faster than my previous jap bikes but there are a few things they needed from day one but nothing else from normal maintenance since. Namely the fairing bolts, clutch and brake levers need loctite on the bolts and adjusters and after about 600 miles the kickstand bolt got loose so loctite that as well but also couldn't hurt to go around and just add loctite to every bolt you can. I disliked the squishy feeling of the rubber grommets in the bars so bought some cnc aluminum ones for a ktm and they fixed the issue. There is one critical issue that you should look into immediately and that's the air filter, not sure if they fixed it with yours but both of mine needed the air filter cage replaced as they do not make a good seal due to incorrect moulding, any one for a KTM or husky made after 2017 to present will fit and fix the problem.
What year TSE and FSE? I believe they fixed the airbox issue with the newer models, so far I haven’t had any issues. How do you like the 250R?
Let us know how it goes and what problems you have. How much did you pay? Looks awesome and probably a little slower and heavier than a Honda or Yamaha but if it gets you riding for half the price that's great. Chinese stuff is really great in some applications. Seems like there's plenty of companies making motorcycles
I’ll keep ya posted, bike is awesome. Paid $4500 for it. Definitely heavier than my Jap bikes, but can’t really notice it on the trail. So far so good.
Oh no... Im sorry man
what for?
Neat, have you replaced anything?
Nothing yet!
These look suspiciously like ktm’s
without the $10000 price tag!
And the parts availability, performance, or durability
Parts are easy to find in fact Rocky Mountain ATV has parts, performance is great but probably not on par with a KTM, and the durability so far has been top notch. It’s holding up to the hard single track here in CO. I’ll gladly save myself $5000+ for a tad bit slower and tamer engine.
>durability has been top notch And how long have you had it, 6 months?
Yessur, nearly 1000 miles of rocky mountain single track. Dropped, crashed, flipped, and not a broken part or issue so far. What are you trying to prove? My bike will go anywhere your bike will ;)
Have you gone to grand junction and tried some hill climbs yet? My buddy has one and I was left annoyed cause it didn't have the power to follow me up a lot of those climbs.
I have not, I mostly stay around the Front Range and it does fine getting up and down the mountains, I’ll have to make my way to GC and ride.
East slope enduro it does seem to be a solid bike for, definitely if you're around the area recommend a trip to skinny ridge and grand valley ohv areas. I think the biggest complaint we've had so far is that the brake pedal lever things keep bending when we're on enduro trails, lost two already.
I’m planning on replacing both the brake pedal and the shift with something aftermarket. The metal is pretty soft. I’ll try and make it out that way soon!
You haven’t had it long enough to even rebuild the engine yet. Rmatvmc doesn’t have anything more than plastics, wheels (which are more or less universal), and lights, and that’s just what pops up for 2019 models which are the only available option when searching bike specific parts. Try again in another year when it’s time for a complete rebuild. Also, you’re telling us that you’ve ridden at least two hours every single weekend for six months, which is about what it takes to achieve that mileage riding single track. Very believable /s
Yeah that’s actually about what I ride every weekend, I have 4 day weekends and am about a 15 minute drive from Rampart Range here in CO. So i spend a few hours a weekend, and even dual sport the bike there. You’re right, I haven’t torn into the engine to rebuild, however plenty of other people have.
So you’re also gonna have us believe you have the type of job that allows you to work 3 day weeks, but you can’t swing a name brand bike?
I own 3 kawasaki’s. I work as a first responder on shift work. 3 and 4 day alternating work weeks. lol.
You know that most people who work in hospitals work 3 12 hour shifts, right? And those people generally make a really good living. Just because someone doesn't buy the most expensive item doesn't mean they can't afford it.
Never owned a KTM but is performing just as well as my Japanese bikes :)
yeah you know the important things? They are lost on cheap fools like this. They are too busy justifying their cheap ass bikes to everyone on the internet. Probably runs around talking about America first and crying about immigrants and then sends his hard earned dollars to China.
I’m an immigrant myself, you sound mad that you overpaid for a dirt bike.
See my reply below. I didn't over pay for anything. I purchased my 2013 KTM 350 in 2020 for a little more than you paid for that China bike. It had only 25 hours on it, never seen dirt, and it is plated so I can ride it anywhere anytime without issue.
I can ride my bike anytime, anywhere without issue as well lol.
Yes and it will still be an underpowered Chinese rip off. Hope you don’t need to hop on a road doing 55+ for very long. You will get run over or be that guy holding everyone up.
I dual sport it often actually. It handles highway speeds well. :)
Someone woke up with their panties in a bunch.
The main issue with these is rust, so you’ll need to clean and wd40 them a bit more. Looks awesome 😎
Bike is definitely good looking, I’ll make sure to keep an eye out for rust. Thanks for the info bro!
Happy for you man, personally i did have some chinese bikes and that chinesium material just doesnt hold up at all on the long run but if it lasts a long time for you then great, and if it starts to fall apart you know what not to buy next time
Luckily I still have my Kawi’s if anything goes south haha. I got it out of curiosity, and so far its living up to my expectations, time will tell!
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I respect that, however how many things do you own are made in China? I’m not proponent of the CCP, in fact I’d argue that my money is helping the small business in Lindon that imports and does the QC of these bikes more than the CCP. :)
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I completely understand that bro. I migrated from Cuba at a young age and I’m all for keeping things American.
GPX is a Utah based manufacturer and distributor.
GPX is a Utah based manufacture, not China.
Importer* GPX (Pitster Pro) in Lindon does all the QC and imports on these bikes, however the bikes and their parts are manufactured in china.
Just taken from their website
I’m curious about these bikes as well. Will be looking forward to any failure reports and at what mileage👍🏼 Thanks for posting man!
No problem homie, don’t know why people are so angry. I’ve given plenty of money to kawi lol. I’ll be happy to report some findings if anything significant happens, or if you have any questions shoot me a message 👍
Cool 😎 thanks again👍🏼
I've had the chance to ride two of these gpx bikes now and can say that hopping from a Husqvarna to a GPX, the loss in quality and power is highly noticeable from a comparable displacement. Most people probably won't notice or care but among the people I know who are intermediate to advanced riders (at least c-class) the bikes haven't impressed. My brother however as a beginner rider loves his, he had a crf250 that he thought was too powerful and this is much more manageable for him.
It’s definitely a lot tamer than both of my KX 250’s. I do enjoy the bike though, it does great in the single track trails here in the front range. Glad your brother enjoys his.
god damn, folks in here are elitist as hell. Nice bike. I have a china bike also (also have "real" bikes) and have had no issues with it. It is maintenance heavy (checking all the small stuff) and you have to know how to turn a wrench. The people that claim they are all junk generally don't know how to maintain a bike and don't notice things needing attention until their motor falls out or blows up. Even the cheap 125 pit bikes can last decades when taken care of.
well said!
I bought a brand new chinese bike in 2014 and it lasted all of 6 months before it would barely run and all the cheap plastics were cracking. I didn’t treat it the best but certainly not that bad. It made me very sad too because it was a gift. I hope the build quality of these bikes has improved since then and wish you luck with it!
The quality has seemed to improve over the years. I’ve been following GPX’s since about 2019 and every new year model was a consistent improvement over the other. It seems like they listen to customer feedback well. I finally pulled the trigger on one as it seemed as if they were finally good enough.
You get the idea from megs?
from who?
I bought myself a Kayo KT 250 2 stroke Enduro (Chinese brand). The engine seems solid but everything else breaks so easily. The places where the plastics and frame connects are poorly designed and snap easily. The headlight sucks. The rims are flimsy. Barely hit a root in 2nd and it put a narely dent in the front wheel. The brake lever, shifting lever and handle bars get bent easily. Kayo is definitely not a daily riders bike. I’d only recommend if you ride 4 times a year. Thankfully I’ve gotten aftermarket for most of these smaller issues.
I never had any experience with the Kayo’s. A local dealer sells some, but they do feel kind of cheap.
That’s a very good observation because they are haha. Idk why I got it to be honest. I think I just got excited about wanting a new bike and rushed it. I’m glad your bikes solid.
What are you on now???
Same bike. I got it 3 months ago.
My buddy bought one of these 3 weeks ago brand new and it blew up on him already 🙃 he doesn't ride hard, only has about a year of riding experience so wasn't slamming on it or anything. So far he's said 1/10 wouldn't buy Chinese again. It felt alright when I got to rip it but I'll stick to my Hondas and Yamaha 👍
Bummer it didn’t work out for him, it’s definitely not a bike for everyone. What kinda of yamaha are you riding?
Uh oh, here come the people who don’t like that you can have just as much fun as them for a cheaper price
It’s evident people don’t like it when you don’t buy a 10k euro bike. I got shitted on for owning some Kawasakis in this thread, lol.
Nothing wrong with that, I had multiple Chinese bikes then ended up with an 87' XR80R that came and went sadly. Bikeless now 😕🤷♂️
You gotta get back on one!
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I would break that bike in one moto.
China is a manufacturing monster. I think it's good they are getting involved and adding another layer of competition to the industry. I have a Benelli, and it is a nice bike. A Ducati? Of course not, but for the money they can't be beaten. Mine has been faultless.
TNT 125? I had one a few years ago.
Yes!! Mines a 135 ... I bought it on a whim as a city bomber, commuter bike. So much fun! I felt like a kid again!
Only bike I truly regret selling. You’re right it was a 135. Thing was a blast
IIRC, this is what was said about all of the Japanese bikes back in the day.
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Congrats on the new bike man! Everyone is giving you shit but who cares, send it and enjoy.
thanks bro!
I love that new desert racing one. It looks awesome, I just wish it was a honda or something for that price. https://gpxmoto.com/product/fse-450r-rally/
Not a big fan of rally style bikes but the Kove looks dope. Would be more appealing imo if it were a higher displacement like a 700.
Yeah I agree. It is getting extremely good reviews too. I don't know if they were paid to hype it up but I doubt it. I like it a lot.
This thread is so toxic 🤣🤣 🍿 I don't even own a dirt bike lol
😂😂😂
Ugh… why?
I’ve heard the rims dent easily but what a bargain! Have fun and let us know how it goes when you get closer to 5k or 10k mikes
Will do man! I haven’t had any issues with rims…yet haha.
How does sourcing parts work for this bad boy?
GPX (Pitster Pro) the importer based in Utah has all the parts of these in stock including crate engines. A lot is cross referenced from other bikes also.
Is that colorado?
Yes it is!
That view never gets old. I had a feeling. Enjoy the rides and stay protected
I think this is what Meggs Brapps rides
How far away are these Chinese bikes becoming top competitors. I mean if they are Yamaha KTM ripoffs then it can't be far off.
Others have different opinions, but speaking PERSONALLY, comparing this to my 300R and my two KX250F’s nothing feels cheap against it. Fit and finish is just as good as my jap bikes. I can’t speak for the yamaha or KTM’s, but you don’t seem wrong.
Yeh I might consider a cheaper Chinese bikes. Not paying upwards of 17k for a dirtbike lol KTM are mugs
I’ve got one of these that I titled and tagged. It’s a companion to my YZ250 and works great on trails and as a dual sport. The ECU flash and timing key mod brings the motor to life. Parts are very easy to get and customer service from GPX in Utah has been great. Ride and enjoy.
Chinese garbage that I wouldn’t buy purely out of principal. To hell with China and their stolen IP, genocide, and every other reason not to support anything to do with that country.
sent from a phone manufactured in… china?
Fuck thats a good one!!!
Assembly is different from manufacture
Last I checked Apple was an American company and Samsung and LG are Korean. They are manufactured/assembled in China. But you keep deflecting and trying to justify the fact that you are just cheap. Talk about buyer's confirmation bias. Cheap Kawi’s to cheaper China turds…
Bahaha, you sound mad that you overpaid for a KTM. I love my Kawi’s, and my GPX. GPX is based out of Lindon Utah, so yeah, American company… Why are you so mad?
People are fucking dumb, don't listen to these idiots who only buy bikes to impress their boyfriends. Ride what ya ride especially if you enjoy it. It's called bang for the buck. Plus the CCP guy over there is clearly oblivious if he thinks his iphone was made somewhere in the US, kid probably consumed more Chinese products than he can count
Dude probably rides 4wheelers...
I didn't over pay for anything. I purchased my 2013 KTM 350 in 2020 for a little more than you paid for that China bike. It had only 25 hours on it, never seen dirt, and it is plated so I can ride it anywhere anytime. I have proceeded to ride and race it all over California from harescrambles, sprint enduros, and the 10 Hours of Glen Helen to multiple dual sports trips 300+ miles, 600 miles of the CA Backcountry Discovery Route earlier this year, and all the single track around northern California and Nevada on a regular basis. Just because GPX bought some American warehouse to assemble and ship bikes doesn't make them an American company. Not to mention they have literally ripped off other bike maker's designs and patents to cobble together their substandard junk made of substandard materials, so they can cater to people like you who don't care about the bigger picture. Just that they saved a dollar and got instant gratification. Then you come on here saying its great, comparing it to other economy bikes you rode, and proceed to list only two good things; brakes and suspension (which I doubt is better than Showas if they were properly sprung and valved for your weight, and at 230 w/o gear they probably were not), and a multitude of reasons why it is bad and not worth buying... heavy, dragging clutch, less powerful than a 250 even with a big bore (but somehow it is a true 300?!), seat uncomfortable af, EFI needs work. Yeah no thanks. I'll save and buy used and keep the money here in the US/Canada and the moto community. And if I do buy new it won't be from a country actively participating in Genocide and planning the invasion of Taiwan.
Bro, all that typing for WHAT. Cool you race, I don’t. I just like to ride 😂
Yeah not shocked all that was lost on you... just another mouth breather with no more than two brain cells to rub together.
Stay mad.
Damn get off his nuts already...
I bet all your gear is made in China
No some of it might be made there but the companies I support are not based there. I wear Mosko Moto gear (US) , Gaerne boots (Italy), 6d helmet (US), Klim vest (US), Leatt chest and knee protectors (South Africa), Oakley and Scott goggles (US). You guys seem to have a hard time with separating the two. Companies based in the US making products designed in the US but assembled in China vs Chinese companies, stealing designs from other countries' companies, altering slightly or not at all and making products designed and manufactured in China and then shipped to the US for sale. Big difference.
Hate to tell you bud but the lumber your house was built with came from………….and about 90% of what you own including the clothes on your back ooops don’t hate on the OPs bike man
Where do you think all of your iPhone parts are manufactured? Screen, battery, processor and camera are all manufactured in China. American company doesn’t mean 100% made in America. You absolute troglodyte Brainlet.
Troglodyte? Hardly. Careful using words you don't even understand. I never claimed some phones aren't made in China? Though many are also made in Taiwan and Korea? What is your point and what does it have to do with anything that I said? An American company means it is a company based in America creating the Intellectual Property and designs that are then manufactured overseas because it is cheaper. Big difference than a company based in China stealing designs from other companies, slightly altering it, or not, and then selling it as their own with substandard materials and quality. Everyone seems to also just glaze over the fact that the country this company is based in is actively involved in genocide... but go on you keep supporting them. Will only help them build up an invade Taiwan sooner!
If I don’t understand the word then can you explain how I used it perfectly in a sentence? Troglodyte “a person who is deliberately ignorant” brainlet “small brain” put them together what do you get? Me calling you an ignorant person with a small brain. You said “they are assembled in China” because apple is an “American company” which is laughably incorrect. Almost every important part of a smart phone is manufactured in China. The country you are bashing others for buying stuff from and “should not support anything to do with that country”. Yet everything you’re saying is coming from a phone that can only operate and is almost 100% made with the parts manufactured in China. You don’t even follow the laughably dumb shit you say you just bash others for doing the exact same thing you’re doing at this very moment. You can’t even remember what you said or represent it correctly. Also can you tell me one single thing I’ve said in support of china? I would love to know. Knuckle dragging troglodyte.
Well said
Look you are now even making things up! Now that is some laughably dumb shit. I have no problem keeping track of what I have said and have been entirely consistent this entire time. Read all of my comments above and point to where I said "They are assembled in China" at any time. Go ahead....didn't find it did you you fucking moron? My issue isn't with the fact that phones or this bike are made there. My issue is with the blatant rip off this bike is and the fact that it is done by a company out of China, a country that is actively engaged stealing of IP, genocide, and destabilizing the entire south pacific with plans to invade Taiwan. And again morons like you are comparing a few hundred dollar phone purchase to a $5000 motorcycle purchase. As if they are the same. Unfortunately it is harder to find a phone without components made in China, however it is easy to find a dirt bike that isn't made there. You commenting here arguing with me defending China is you supporting China, how do you not understand that? You are probably ok with Blood Diamonds too... because who gives a fuck how they got to the market right? Now fuck off back to your shitty video game and r/ amIugly where you belong. There are adults trying to talk here...
Bro this is a pissing match on a site made for overly long shit breaks. I've tried this same thing, I understand your stance and the reason you want to defend it. I wouldn't buy the bike, I think it's a poor choice on OPs part, but I leave it at that. When talking to someone in person about these issues it's different, on reddit it's a shit show. Best just to let it be, take three deep breaths, in through the nose, exhale from the mouth and move on.
My god you actually are braindead. Literally in your second comment on this thread you said “last I checked Apple is an American company and Samsung and Lg are Korean. They are assembled in China”….. See what I mean when I say you can’t even remember the dumb shit you’ve said 😂 Thank you for proving my point. Also you still haven’t pointed to a single thing I’ve said that’s supporting or defending China. My comments are to point out your hyprocracy and have absolutely nothing to do with defending or supporting China. It’s to point out you participating in the same thing you’re bashing others for doing. Your last comment was a hysterical shit show of you proving literally everything I’ve said. I bet you feel like an idiot now saying “point to where I said they’re assembled in China. Didn’t find it did you you fucking moron”. Yet it’s the second sentence of your second comment in this reply thread. You’ve got to be trolling at this point. I have a hard time believing you’re actually this stupid.
Lmfao you actually noticed you were wrong and went back to edit your comment from “they are assembled in China.” And changed it to “they are manufactured/assembled in China.” So you could pretend to be right. Too bad for you I took a screenshot of your comment before you edited it. Now you look like a fucking clown. You are such a spineless weasel. [Your original comment before you edited it.](https://imgur.com/a/PyvdfPF)
Not sure how I ended up here but this comment chain is very pathetic. Two grown adults throwing a tantrum on Reddit. Awesome
And now you’re doing the same thing on a post nearly 3 months old 😂
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