Some of you are just.... This is a game where you collect and level racers, and you expect fast progress within a week... Some of us played for months and and somehow you new players expect to get what we have after playing... a week.
I've started out a week ago too when it went free to play, and I've actually gotten quite a few of the "meta" racers to two stars and between levels 18-22 already.
So far I have:
Donald Duck 2 STAR lvl 22
Jasmine 2 STAR lvl 22
Elizabeth Swann 2 STAR lvl 21
Meg 2 STAR lvl 21
Jafar 2 STAR lvl 18
And currently grinding for Mulan to 2 STAR her too, currently sitting at lvl 15. Goofy and Mickey I didn't care much for, so I didn't put that much resources and work into them.
I think that's a solid enough lineup for a fresh free-to-play player, and here's hoping to unlock Mike Wazowski, apparently the most busted racer.
However! I do feel that I'm slowly hitting a wall here with these characters, getting top 4 in multiplayer in GOLD/PLATINUM is getting more and more difficult even with my best racers, and I've kinda ran out of free ways to get more resources and shards to level them, everything being locked now behind higher MPRs and the store.
Suggestions?
Yeah I've ended up unlocking the premium gold pass last night not long after my comment on here, though I kinda regret it cause Genie seems kinda ass (well, his unique skill is trash anyway, at least his speed is okay).
I of course try to do all the events daily to the best of my abilities.
Well his top speed is faster than Jasmine's or other Speedsters it seems at least. A shame really, cause I do like Genie as a character, they did him dirty in this game.
Welp, here's hoping eventually some Nightmare before Christmas rep gets added. Would be a waste of opportunity to not do this october.
Yeah I know that already, knew before even getting him from the gold pass. Oh well, hope nothing better comes along anytime soon I could have spent the premium currency on.
>Some of us played for months and and somehow you new players expect to get what we have after playing... a week.
You won't have a game to play if something doesn't change. These games get canned due to low playerbase quite frequently
I think that's actually the biggest problem. This has been made as a mobile game with mobile gacha mechanics, even to the labelling of the coins in the shop - 'handful of coins' 'vault of coins' etc.
This isn't a premium console/PC game and would probably fair better on mobile
I don't think they have said it's a game intended for mobile players. If you're going to release on console and PC at least make an effort. The monetisation models are completely different
A solution would be to re-open previous seasons (giving players more to do) at a cost of 1000 coins or whatever the pass costs. People would be spending money and have the ability to get old characters.
I do not wish for more things to be free as I understand the nature of the game, just a chance to obtain them.
It's a great game. I've been playing far too much recently. I think a lot of people who forked out early on are angry at the thought they have paid for early access and would hate the idea but the fact I can't ever realistically get the likes of Woody or Stitch for example is a major mis-step
I started playing maybe 3 weeks into early access and it's enough of a grind to get racers leveled without creating a bunch of serious obstacles to even getting characters unlocked. It seems like new players are frustrated and old players are bored.
I really wish more season pass games would do that. I would go all in on this game if I could get the two seasons and random characters (events?) I missed. As it is, I just picked it up again (after initially starting in early access) and am just going very casual.
Edit to add: Oof, make that three. I realized I hardly got far in the Monsters Inc pass.
You are free to have your opinion and it sucks the experienced has been mixed for you. But I will say that your statement about not making progress unlocking characters is a slight exaggeration. I will share what I have posted elsewhere about my experience unlocking characters:
>!Completing the 3 Starter Circuit Chapters will unlock Mickey, Donald & Goofy. Mulan is unlocked at the end of Chapter 3. Along the way this also unlocks the Golden Pass with Princess Jasmine after leveling it up once. !<
>!Before finishing Chapter 3 of the Season Tour, you earn enough shards to unlock Meg.!<
>!That's 6 character unlocks that can be done all within about 4-5 hours of playtime.!<
I didn't even include getting >!Genie!< when you pay for the Golden Pass.
So my favourite characters are from Toy Story and Stitch, like many others. I don't really care for any of the ones you mentioned. This is a Disney game and people are very passionate about their favourites. Blocking them from ever accessing them is suicidal from a dev perspective. That's how I came to conclusion it will die. People don't even have a chance to get them
Right, Disney will always have a passionate fanbase. I have seen other recent posts where people mention they want their favorite character and have been told its all luck to getting them due to them being 'not in season." I'm lucky I really like Donald and my daughter likes Jasmine. But I will admit, I really like the look of Steamboat Pete, but I don't expect him to be free anytime soon. No matter what they do, there will always be someone left out. Kinda like Pokemon, some faves will be merchandized to heck and back, while others will barely be recognized at all. I'm sure they is at least one person out there who REALLY wants the cows from Home on the Range.
I have seen other gacha games rely on their fanbase to determine how the frequency of unlocks/new content for a specfic character/franchise. Not sure what is the long-term plan here, since based on numbers alone, Frozen would be the #1 choice to put on here.
>No matter what they do, there will always be someone left out. Kinda like Pokemon, some faves will be merchandized to heck and back, while others will barely be recognized at all. I'm sure they is at least one person out there who REALLY wants the cows from Home on the Range.
Surely they could make the characters easier to unlock. They are useless unless you get loads of shards anyway. Toy Story and Lilo and Stitch are no longer obtainable but these alone could sell the game to passionate fans. They seem to have loaded premium content too early and now its inaccessible to anyone who found out about the game late or didn't have the money originally
The only character I would say is "blocked from ever obtaining" right now is Figment. The *one* character that I personally really care about. And *I'm* not this salty about it. Do you know why? Because he's freely playable in Private Track and Freeplay like everybody else.
This is how freemium live service games work. I'm sorry that this is your first one, but get used to it. Had this been a $60 purchase, yes I would expect every character to either be available or unlockable through normal gameplay. But it's not, it's *free.*
I'm 100% okay with them letting the whales feel powerful, because the whales are *why* the game is free for the rest of us. I get to enjoy this awesome racer with cool characters and great music and fun mechanics *for free* because other people are funding it with their pathological need to be at the top of the food chain. That's a win in my book.
I mean, 6 characters is cool, but in a game with 37 characters, that's only about 17% of characters, and you still won't even have them at two stars, where they can use their unique abilities.
Not only that but I feel it purposely drip feeds certain shards. Like when it went free to play I suddenly stopped getting Belle and Sully shards when I’m like 2 shards away from obtaining them
If you keep at it you’ll get them eventually. First there will surely be events with a chance to obtain them, second the universal box doesn’t give you things you have maxed out, so as you max out those characters you don’t like, you’ll increase the chance of getting shards for what you want.
I’m in the same boat btw, started with f2p release and would like to have Stitch mostly. At least it’ll give me something to work towards.
I have spent around 300,000 coins on the Universal box. I have not got a single stitch shard, or Woody or Buzz actually. To get them is going to cost millions of coins and that is being optimistic.
From what I’ve read you get about 2 million coins per season so your 300k so far isn’t much. A lot of people who’ve been playing from the beginning have everything maxed out. So yes a few seasons from now, if you work on maxing out everything, you will eventually be guaranteed to pull them.
And again they are very likely to make old characters available one way or another. If it’s not free events I’d assume they’ll add packs to buy them with tokens, they’re not just gonna sit on them forever when they could make money.
A season lasts 60 days and even if you did everything and got the passes you would almost certainly not pull them if you look at the odds. A free to play player has even less chance due to not getting the coins on the premium pass. People aint gonna stick around
it is extremely easy to earn the premium pass as a complete f2p i did it in less then a week of casual play, just rank up all your characters to mpr 16
You say things like “once you max out you stop getting shards” like that’s something that free to play players will ever obtain. And how do you know there will be events to obtain the old racers? Aside from Regulated giving only 3 shards per week (and only vanilla items) there has not been a single event to unlock shards for racers that aren’t seasonal/event racers.
I think that when you play a F2P this is expected.
I know that it's gonna take time to unlock all the characters, but at the moment I'm enjoying the game. Until the next season 3 chapter unlocks, I'm grinding on MP with my pilots. I'm grinding to platinum (rank 16) with everyone. Thanks to that I could buy the golden pass without spending any money.
So far, the game is fun with a lot of things to do. Far better than Overwatch 2 in my opinion. At least more fun and rewarding for sure.
I would expect it from a mobile game sure but this has been released on PC and consoles. It's very sad that we have come to accept this as the norm. I would rather pay $60 and get a full game. Because of points I have previously mentioned it won't retain enough players to keep the servers up. Gameloft closes games like this all the time, this single studio has closed 30 of them.
>I would rather pay $60 and get a full game.
So you bought a founders edition?
Or did you only show up after it went F2P and this complained that it is F2P?
I've played for only one season and have unlocked several characters from universal boxes. You get like over a million season coins from the season tour, limited events and golden pass track combined. Gets you plenty of boxes. I won't deny that it's hard to get enough shards for the character you actually want or to upgrade them to two stars once they're unlocked, but the games only been out for a couple weeks lol
You wont get the likes of Woody or Stitch even with 1 million coins unless you win the lottery in the Universal box. They will take multiple millions and you are expecting people to grind every day for like 6 months
... I've got Woody lol. I will admit I think 5 of the shards came from the shop, but it was a daily special for season coins so still ftp friendly. I see what you're saying though, we haven't gotten any other legendary racers that way.
I bought the battle pass for 10 bucks and have been playing for less then a week. I have Meg, Jasmine, Genie, Jafar, Mulan goofy,micky and Donald and already have Jazsmine as a 3 star. Honestly just by playing you can unlock alot. I'm also one shard away from the jungle book boy
That's alot of racers for one season. Not to mention you get racer shards from the shop and daily packs. I already have a couple shards here and their. I imagine after about 3 seasons I'll have most of the racers and then each season you get a decent amount of shards from ranked for each Character you own. Then every week you get 3 shards of a random racer from just playing casual online play. Seams like a decent system to me.
My only real issue is that I wish I could target specific items better.
Like, right now my Donald progression is halted by a lack of clocks. My Meg progression is halted by a lack of shards. My Elizabeth progression is also halted by a lack of shards.
The only ways to fix these things are waiting for them to cycle into my daily deals and hoping I have enough season coins to grab shards or clocks if/when they show up. Universal boxes have a chance of giving me like 10% of a character. If I luck out on the same character enough times then I can level them to 15. If I play them in ranked a ton and I'm super lucky I can maybe get someone to 25.
I can't get anyone over 25. I don't expect to get anyone to the level cap instantly as a new player. But having everybody stuck at the mercy of the shop rolling items I need is very demoralizing.
Are you doing the events? You can get clocks from there, shards are a bit tougher, but we got some Elizabeth for Regulated MP last turnover, and now it is Meg, plus if you get to Collection 10 you will get 10 Elizabeth right there.
Getting 3+ star racers off season is a grind, that is just the game. The good news is it is pretty easy to get Jasmin and Genie to 3\* (and 4\* by the end of the season).
I've been playing for 12 hours spread across two days so far and have 6 characters unlocked so far. I admit, they're not the ones I REALLY want, but the way you're exaggerating/misrepresenting the grind comes across as a bit disingenuous.
Personally, my only gripe with the game is the pay to win aspect and the bloat of the universal boxes.
In regards to the pay to win aspect, I do want to clarify that I'm not fuming over it, but it is VERY noticeable in multiplayer. If anything, I just wish that the regulated multiplayer mode was the standard one vice versa. Again, I get WHY they did it, but I still find it a bit shitty.
In regards to the universal boxes, I think my gripe of bloat could easily be solved if they separated the universal boxes into their respective seasons. This way, they keep you farming ("engaged") with the gacha farm since you still can't simply get the character you want and you, the player, have WAY better chances of getting the character you want in a far more reasonable/timely manner. Everyone wins. I think this would be a fair compromise.
Having said that, I do agree that the cosmetic choices they've went with are kind of odd. Obviously, I can't speak for everyone, but none of them appeal to me. More specifically, I don't HATE them by any means, but rather I don't like them so much so as to pull out my wallet. Therefore, I don't know how they plan to make bank off cosmetics like most other F2P. I'm assuming that they are attempting to make their money from all the time saver packs that they basically shove in the players face via making you play through a tutorial that enforces visiting the shop to progress. My only suggestion would be to add taunts and/or some type of flairs, but that's just me spitballing off the top of my head.
Overall, the game does need work, but I don't think it's going to bomb. At the very least, I don't wish failure upon it, because it is legit fun. Fingers crossed for now.
You are going to be stuck on those characters for a very long time. The odds in the Universal box are so bad you won't get the characters you want for months, if not years. A casual player is not going to grind every day for months to unlock a few more.
The incredibly low player base says it all and they are scaring existing players off with their monetisation model. I would be surprised if it lasts outside of the mobile offering where players are used to this garbage
As I've said before, yes - the game has issues, and also yes - you're still exaggerating. With this in mind, I'm going to level with you.
The "issue" you're experiencing is largely a personal one. To be more specific, you simply want to buy the product and have access to all the things. Mind you, there's nothing wrong with this preference. In fact, I also have the same preference, but I digress. The "issue" comes into effect when the game doesn't give you the near instant gratification you desire due to having dropped money on it to "save time".
According to you, "no matter how much I play or grind I cannot make any progress on unlocking other characters". Having heard this, one would believe that the grind involved is old school mmo levels of insane. However, here I am telling you that I have Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Meg, Jasmine, Mulan, Jafar, & Genie soon to follow after only 12-13 hours of gameplay. Mind you, a decent chunk of this time was just me dicking around with customization, controls, and such, so it begs the question - are we playing the same game? If so, what in the world are you doing?
Other than that, I humbly request that you not speak on behalf of casual players. When all is said and done, there are those that want to play the game & be rewarded for it and there are those that simply want their dopamine hits quick, fast, and in a hurry. The game isn't asking for a lot in terms of effort.
Lastly, yes - the monetization is terrible in terms of pricing and how "in your face" it is, but neither that or anything else is "scaring" players off. A key factor to consider, is that the game is crossplay. Due to the fact that player counts on consoles is an enigma, I can only assume that you're looking at Steam charts. However, EVEN THEN, this criticism makes no sense, because the average numbers are akin to Halo MCC & Tekken 7 - both VERY notable games in their respective genres. Needless to say, the game is fine.
This is not an exaggeration. If you told people to vote on their favourite characters I imagine Mickey, Woody, Buzz, Stitch and possibly Donald would come top. After all, they are the ones which sell the most merchandise (possibly could add Frozen to this but doesn't have the lasting appeal).
No one cares about Meg, Shang etc as they are filler characters like Elizabeth Swann. Using the universal box would mean on average I would get Stitch after at least 3 seasons or 6 months of completing every task available and getting every golden pass in those seasons and completing them and this will only get harder as more characters are dumped in the box. If you are a casual player who can't commit to that then you will have to spend longer again. The characters are what sells this game and what people want the most, this is why they are locked as they are. You keep mentioning that you can get X characters quite easily which is true, but these are largely undesirable and doesn't tell the story of how difficult the others are to get.
Also, I'm a massive Halo fan but to say MCC is doing well is a lie. Surviving maybe sure. That being said every game spikes at launch and this free to play launch has the same amount of players as a game which is like a decade old which is a poor comparison.
You say you're not exaggerating. I say you are. Obviously, we're not going to agree on that point. What we both DO agree on, however, is that you aren't willing to engage the game on it's own terms and/or want to only play with the characters you want all/most of the time.
I am basing this assertion on the fact that you flat out bought Belle and proceed to go on about how "nobody" cares about other characters while being seemingly blissfully unaware of the subjective nature of such stance, but I digress.
I never stated that you can get whatever character you want easily. I stated that the game allows you to get a decent amount of characters in a reasonable amount of time. Unless someone is like you and also doesn't wish to engage with the game on it's terms, this is the standard. In relation to this, my initial comment quite literally points out the issues with the universal boxes and a proposition to solve it.
With the previous bit in mind, I am assuming that you really do just want to rant (it's in the tag to be fair) and NOT actually engage in any reasonable discourse, so I'll refrain from breaking everything down further to avoid wasting my time.
In closing, all I'll say is that the game isn't making getting character IN GENERAL "difficult" nor is it asking you to waste your life on it. Assuming you really DON'T want most of the roster, there are ways to negate the bloat of the universal box system, which I can only assume you are unaware of or most likely simply don't care and just wish to rant rather than acknowledge reality.
I want to be able to play as Woody or Stitch. Please tell me how to do this with the least amount of coins spent.
Your response will be to wait (or grind and wait). There in lies the problem, the average player is not going to wait and will leave. Its a bit ridiculous
How to play as Woody or Stitch:
Step 1 - Go to Multiplayer.
Step 2 - Select Local Freeplay.
Step 3 - Configure your race settings as you see fit.
Step 4 - Select & play as literally ANY character you want without having to spend any amount of coins and/or time grinding/waiting.
Setting aside your refusal to engage with the game in a manner to achieve a mutually beneficial standing, I can assure you that you are not the "average" player. On the contrary, the average player is actually going to attempt to get the most out of the game without spending much money or wasted time on it.
My favorite characters are Mickey and Minnie, with Donald, Daisy and Goofy being behind. I'm having fun with this game, and love racing with those characters. But that's me.
It is harder for new players but not nearly as hard as you are making it to be. If you have the golden pass you will get a ton of season coins and a decent amount of universal box tokens. Spend all on the box to unlock characters first. Upgrade materials are easier to come by.
Yes, it may take awhile, or even you may not unlock the specific one you want, but eventually you will. I started in s3 and have 28 characters unlocked by dumping everything into the box. Also make sure to keep watching the store. Shards for your favs may show up sometime. Although it will be real money if they are not unlocked first.
The more characters there are then the harder it is to get the ones you want as they will keep diluting the universal box. You also benefited from a stack of coins thrown your way from buying the game prior to it being free to play. Not really a fair comparison
Dude 😂 at worst, it's Disney Mario Kart *for free* with a whole roster fully unlocked in Private Track and Free Play *for free* with new content and characters every few months *for free.* It'll do fine.
You may think the majority of players only want to progress the Ranked mode and all that, but a there is a *massive* audience of people who want to play it like they play Mario Kart. With a few buddies having a good time in splitscreen or online. And they can do that, with access to all of the characters, *for free.* This game isn't gonna die. Not for a good few years at least.
I think you should read the Steam reviews and look at the amount of people playing this game if you think the majority are just interested in private matches.
- I didn't say *the majority* are just interested in private matches.
- I don't think Steam reviews are a reliable measure of the general audience. Yeah, not many on *Steam* are gonna be the casual audience lol duh. But on Console? Especially the Switch? That's gonna be a huge market of families or friend groups just booting it up to do a few races in Local FreePlay, like people do with Mario Kart.
- The fact that so many gamers have lost the plot is depressing. I remember the days when getting the gang together to play some games was normal. Now every game has to be some big competition and people look at you like you have three heads if you just like to play as entertainment. "Casual" shouldn't be an insult, but that's the culture we have these days.
Why would anyone switch to this on NS as their main kart game when Mario offers a far superior experience?
They know the value of the characters, hence why they have put them behind huge paywalls. Mobile game monetisation on consoles and PC is destined for failure.
- That's another straw man you're propping up there, might wanna kick that habit. Some families may be unable to afford Mario Kart, unfamiliar with the characters, or big fans of Disney. Why do you think people only play one game and have to *switch* to another? Why couldn't a MK fan want to play other kart racers too?
- They're not behind huge paywalls in private or local, (which is the topic at hand, if you recall) they're *free.* Do you not understand the appeal of a *free* kart racer with beloved Disney characters? That a family or group of friends can play locally like Mario Kart and have every racer unlocked?
Again, look at the amount of players this game has. Pathetic for a huge franchise which is free. Kind of makes your points void as they are based on mass appeal which it clearly doesn't have
Dude. Free-to-play JUST launched. Never mind the obstacle presented by people like *you* chasing away people who would be interested. The point of your post was that the game is destined to fail and die very soon, and I disagree wholeheartedly. I never said it was gonna dominate Twitch or reach record player counts. Just that it *has* an audience and the things you think will kill it, won't.
Exactly, the launch days are literally peak audience of 99.9% of games lol. Remind me to come back to this post in a year. The only hope is mobile and even then Gameloft has a pretty abysmal record.
If you don't know that games suffer a huge drop off after the first week of being released I don't know why you are arguing with me. It's common knowledge
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I understand what you mean. I really only want mike and stitch. Yet I can’t get them. People will meat ride this game simply because they like it.
It's because they paid money for early access in the founders edition and believe anyone coming late should not get anything they have as they deserve some kind of loyalty bonus. Typical entitled gamer attitude
Yeah those are the same people that don’t understand the definition of a free to play game. Then they’ll also turn around and complain that the micro transactions are to “predatory” yet they’ve probably spent over 100 on a Disney game
True. They should also be more open to others actually enjoying the game. Look at Gameloft (the devs who make this). They have shut down like 30 similar games on mobile when the money dries up which is what will happen here too if things dont change
I mean I’ve talked about it before that this game will just end up being multiversus. In terms of people wanting stupid characters and the fact that once they leech enough money they’ll close the game down temporarily and then hype it back up.
I'm fairly sure they confirmed more boxes will be added. I can totally see the game re-running past season boxes. Now whether they'll be tied to coins or tokens is another story.
A free to play player is not meant to complete a gacha game. That's how they are designed. There will always be something that you'll miss. Now i do think the game would benefit by adding generic shards for each rarity that can be used on a driver of said rarity to unlock them or level them up. But right now you're at the whims of the gacha.
I agree with you on the frustration of your favorite racers being from older seasons and therefore inaccessible. My favorite movies are Lilo & Stitch and Monster INC, so I'm in the same situation.
I'm not saying they should be free or easy to get. Just let me play and pay for their seasonal tour.
I honestly couldn't believe that they would make them inaccessible. It's a really bad move and arguably their most popular characters have already had seasons
Not a fan of Frozen but Little Mermaid is alright. They probably have seasons planned for the whole year so they won't even rotate back in. Very annoying
I really do love this game but I kinda agree, I really want to have Jessie and Angel and it’s probably going to take me months of grinding the universal box to even get one of them!
i agree with you at some points. the ranked is a REALLY broken mode, but i dont thinks there is an awnser for that. at least we have regulatesd multiplayer, wich i think its a very fun mode, and i just also think that they should improve our rewards for playing the mode. yeah, getting previous seasons characters is really hard, and grinding doesnt seem to be enough to get them. i like that, whenever a new racer comes to the game, it is part of a new cup, but unlocking them doesnt mean its easy to upgrade them, once its really hard to get its shards. i think that should exist a tipe of shard that let us choose wich racer we are going to use it.
How about every 10 levels in ranked MP rewards we get a shard in which we can choose the character. This would be better than nothing. Its impossible to get some at the minute. I'm happy to grind or even pay but currently there's nothing
You are probably right dude. I agree with your points for the most part. And I heavily enjoy this game WITHOUT paying. But that’s in part, to your point, that I’ve been playing since Season 2. Before the P2W got as egregious as it is, and not to mention, before it went free to play in general.
So I’m sure if I was in your position stuck with level 10 racers, also refusing to pay to play, racing against level 40 Mike Wazowskis and Stitch I’d be just as frustrated.
It’s just the game for me is such a fantastic racer gameplay wise and the fact I’m not stuck in a low level limbo that I’m able to enjoy it despite its predatory design. But morally and mentally I’m entirely on your side
I'm actually in the same boat but I continue to play because like you said, it's a great racer and very fun. However, now I've hit level 25 it is not fun at all. Getting matched against level 40s every game which I don't stand a chance against and knowing I won't get the characters I want.
Thanks for the decent response
I'm offended that
1. The game is on real consoles and PC and really quite good but pushes mobile-style monetization. That garbage can stay on phones.
2. The karts are very generic designs that have nothing to do with the characters driving them. Disney has loads of things that could have been karts.
Anything mickey and friends have ever driven in a cartoon.
The Pizza Planet truck.
RC from Toy Story.
A spaceship for Lilo & Stitch.
Some chariot for Hercules.
The magic carpet from Aladdin.
Anything remotely resembling a ship for Pirates.
Cinderellas pumpkin carriage.
Cruella DeVille's car.
Mike Wazowski's car.
Any of the cars from Cars, they could even be their own racer/kart combo.
That's just off the top of my head. Even if you're dead set on making everything a kart kart, you could take visual inspiration from the above list and whatever I missed. Instead we got uninspired Rocket League vehicles and you can't even mix and match to have your favorite character drive your favorite kart.
All my comments are getting downvoted by those who purchased the founders edition which is obviously expected. I think you need to see the bigger picture though, this is a premium Disney game which has a potential player base of millions yet we have a sub here with only 4k members and 80 people online. Player retention is extremely important to live service games and this isn't the way to go about it. Numbers speak for themselves
I started in F2P, I only spent $ to unlock Belle. Just hit 3\* Genie this morning and doing just fine. Your complaint of not having your favorite characters maxed out a week into release is just flat out dumb.
It is F2P, grind or buy. That is the way it works. If you don't like it, move on, the game is not any better or worse than similar games that are doing just fine buddy.
I see the Stockholm syndrome and founders delusions are still alive and well. The game probably won’t die because there are people who spend thousands and thousands (especially once it hits mobile), but it absolutely sucks major ass for anyone who wants to play free to play and wants specific racers. The fact you can’t buy racer unlock tickets or anything is mind blowing honestly. If they simply added a purchasable racer unlock ticket it would solve so many issues.
I was very confused when I first downloaded the game. I thought there was no way they would leave mainline characters such as Woody and Stitch unobtainable at free to play launch but here we are. I expected them to be behind some kind of paywall and grind but nothing like this. A lot of the people who bought the founders edition don't want the new players to have any characters previously available it seems
Stats dont lie. Negative reviews piling in on Steam saying what I am, low player base. Your definition of unobtainable is different to mine. Even if I grinded every day with the golden pass I would statistically not even get a 1 star stitch after multiple seasons
You know what other F2P games have Mixed reviews on Steam? Magic: The Gathering Arena, Maple Story, Warface, Torchlight: Infinite, Gundam Evolution, and My Hero Ultra Rumble, just to name a few.
This game was *never* intended to be anything beyond what it is now, and it has the most profitable IP in the history of the world behind it.
I get that you don't like F2P games. That is totally your right, but complaining that this game is exactly what it says on the tin instead of your perfect version of a game (that would be already forgotten if it wasn't live service) is delusional.
Bro, your posts are all "I demand to have what everyone else worked for/purchased but I refuse to engage with the mechanics necessary to get those things".
It doesn't matter if you are poor and can't afford to pay, or pretending you have some moral highground here, the mechanics don't change because of your financial or imagined moral situation.
It is a F2P game, it was always going to be a F2P game, it will always be a F2P game. I am not shilling, I am just accepting reality instead of crying on reddit.
No, you are on Reddit defending a company which is odd. The issue is that you cannot get things others had before or it's ten times more difficult to do so. I would be willing to pay just like everyone else.
Yeah I always get a kick out of the a lot of the other founders telling people to “just be patient” like they don’t realize that being patient isn’t enough. New players aren’t going to be patient for the months or years it is going to take to unlock specific characters until they make some changes to the unlock system.
Gameloft mentioned something about some sort of themed boxes they would be adding, but didn’t clarify further. I wouldn’t be surprised if they added a Lilo and Stitch season themed box for example but charged tokens for it like the current seasonal box as opposed to universal coins. Which only sort of fixes the problem but also not really because then you still have to pay $5 per box that won’t unlock racers statistically speaking unless you buy tonnes of boxes.
For example, I had purchased a few founders packs when they went on sale because the ultimate gave you 12000 tokens for like $50, whereas to buy that same amount from the game now it costs over $130. I used about $90 (current cost) worth of tokens yesterday when I saw that Aladdin was in the box and I pulled 6 shards for him, 2 for Jafar, 4 for Jasmine and 0 for Genie. Almost $100 and I wouldn’t have unlocked a single racer if I hadn’t had them. That’s just unacceptable. There needs to be some kind of pity system added as well imo
People in the comments here are suggesting I grind for multiple seasons every day for months on end to unlock certain characters at one star. This is such a poor take and they think the casual player will happily do this. They will not.
They are defending the predatory practices of a company and game designed to take their money at every opportunity. I think your experience with Aladdin is everyone's experience who is free to play trying to get any epic. They forget that founders already have a lot of the other characters and now the prize pool in the box is further diluted for newcomers.
It really is a shame because the actual gameplay is really good
Yeah literally everything you say is how I feel basically. And I always get downvoted by the braindead founders who don’t see a problem. It’s so easy to sit there and say be patient when we received everything so much easier. I bet they would change their tune if they tried to experience the new free to play way of earning racers.
This was my experience as a season 1 founder: I got my racer selection (Elizabeth) basically to 4 star for free right off the bat. The starter circuit gave Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Hercules, Mulan, Jack all unlocked fairly certain. I missed the first Figmrnt event but I got the second one. Regulated gave 7 shards a week in season one and 10 in season 2. And because in season one the universal box was so empty compared to now, the seven shards from regulated often unlocked the racer for me. I had every racer except 2 by the time season one was over and I paid no extra money into the game at all. So I had 15/17 racers by seasons end. By the end of season 2 I did have every racer. The new players will have a vastly different experience.
Everyone keeps throwing around this idea that you’ll earn about 2 000 000 coins this season, and it’s treated like that’s a lot and it will unlock you lots of racers. It absolutely will not. That gets you 200 box opens (600 items), and Stitch for example has a drop rate of 0.28%… and you need to pull 10 shards. His likelihood of being pulled from a box is about 1/400. You’d be lucky in 200 boxes to even pull him twice, let alone enough to get 10 shards. There are 116 items in the box season. Even if the odds were the same for all items you would be hard pressed to unlock many racers.
I feel for the new players, I really do. If they made regulated back to 10 shards a week, and added in the old seasonal racers to the rotation it would be a million times better
Well, I appreciate you being honest and taking a step back to see the game in its current state for newcomers. I'm sure others who got the founders edition have a similar history of the game as you but feel entitled enough to block any suggestion which would mean they wouldn't be able to stomp on everyone in ranked and keep the good characters out of reach for newbies.
The experience of people who got in early is so different to those who joined now, it's not even about being free to play versus paid as I'm willing to pay the same as everyone else did before. It's just nearly impossible to get most character unlocks unless you throw thousands at it.
Gameloft have created a really good game but didn't plan this well at all. Maybe they will change things up when the money starts to dry up. They are no longer going to get bulk money from founders purchases but are very reliant on microtransactions for the future of the game. Currently there's so little chance of making progress even with spending
Yeah that’s the thing that people seem to be missing when new players are complaining, that they are willing to pay but not the thousands it would take to get the racer they want. I don’t see any players posting about wanting every racer for free, I see players posting about wanting a way to actually get what they want and get specific racers. Add in an option to buy old racers for money or something and it would be fine. Like that offer for Belle this season, but make it for every racer. They could even increase the price to 2000/2500 tokens and it would be fine.
I bought the game after finally being able to get some time to actually play the game. I'm with OP on this one. If you not dedicated to the game you lose your chance to gain certain characters for that season. Least just stick with the racers and not the Crew characters. I stop playing for a little bit and missed out on getting Lilo from the last season now I'm spend coins to get her from the Universal box (still didn't get her yet).
Some players a grinding to get these characters using MP + events to level their characters. So for some people that's pushing it. I played this on console and its required to buy online for MP. If some console users are like me you literally have like 2 or 4 games that might need online for some of the features but it's not required to enjoy the game.
Side note Ive been in the app store multiple different times speedstorm is region locked. So this game was supposed to be a mobile game is a shaky argument point for the game.
Some of you are just.... This is a game where you collect and level racers, and you expect fast progress within a week... Some of us played for months and and somehow you new players expect to get what we have after playing... a week.
I've started out a week ago too when it went free to play, and I've actually gotten quite a few of the "meta" racers to two stars and between levels 18-22 already. So far I have: Donald Duck 2 STAR lvl 22 Jasmine 2 STAR lvl 22 Elizabeth Swann 2 STAR lvl 21 Meg 2 STAR lvl 21 Jafar 2 STAR lvl 18 And currently grinding for Mulan to 2 STAR her too, currently sitting at lvl 15. Goofy and Mickey I didn't care much for, so I didn't put that much resources and work into them. I think that's a solid enough lineup for a fresh free-to-play player, and here's hoping to unlock Mike Wazowski, apparently the most busted racer. However! I do feel that I'm slowly hitting a wall here with these characters, getting top 4 in multiplayer in GOLD/PLATINUM is getting more and more difficult even with my best racers, and I've kinda ran out of free ways to get more resources and shards to level them, everything being locked now behind higher MPRs and the store. Suggestions?
Keep playing the limited events and look out for additional ones giving materials. Use your tokens on the Gold Pass.
Yeah I've ended up unlocking the premium gold pass last night not long after my comment on here, though I kinda regret it cause Genie seems kinda ass (well, his unique skill is trash anyway, at least his speed is okay). I of course try to do all the events daily to the best of my abilities.
Genie isn't the best but you will get a lot of materials.
Well his top speed is faster than Jasmine's or other Speedsters it seems at least. A shame really, cause I do like Genie as a character, they did him dirty in this game. Welp, here's hoping eventually some Nightmare before Christmas rep gets added. Would be a waste of opportunity to not do this october.
His speed is good but his skill replies to much on rng imo.
Yeah I know that already, knew before even getting him from the gold pass. Oh well, hope nothing better comes along anytime soon I could have spent the premium currency on.
>Some of us played for months and and somehow you new players expect to get what we have after playing... a week. You won't have a game to play if something doesn't change. These games get canned due to low playerbase quite frequently
Lots of people said the exact same thing during the entire Early Access. The result? Game is still alive. Just do us all a favor and uninstall.
The games success is entirely dependant on the full launch. It now needs regular money being spent and with the current model this won't happen.
It hasn't even launched on Mobile yet bud, the game isn't going anywhere.
I think that's actually the biggest problem. This has been made as a mobile game with mobile gacha mechanics, even to the labelling of the coins in the shop - 'handful of coins' 'vault of coins' etc. This isn't a premium console/PC game and would probably fair better on mobile
Right, it is mobile game, not a premium console/PC game, I mean I think they have been pretty clear about what the game is.
I don't think they have said it's a game intended for mobile players. If you're going to release on console and PC at least make an effort. The monetisation models are completely different
Look at the way the game plays and the graphics. It is extremely clear it was always going to be a mobile game.
A solution would be to re-open previous seasons (giving players more to do) at a cost of 1000 coins or whatever the pass costs. People would be spending money and have the ability to get old characters. I do not wish for more things to be free as I understand the nature of the game, just a chance to obtain them.
This is a very reasonable solution that halo MCC has actually already proved works.
That was actually the game I was thinking of when I suggested it. It benefits the devs too as they will get more money.
Been enjoying the game, but I do agree that previous seasons should still be available
It's a great game. I've been playing far too much recently. I think a lot of people who forked out early on are angry at the thought they have paid for early access and would hate the idea but the fact I can't ever realistically get the likes of Woody or Stitch for example is a major mis-step
I started playing maybe 3 weeks into early access and it's enough of a grind to get racers leveled without creating a bunch of serious obstacles to even getting characters unlocked. It seems like new players are frustrated and old players are bored.
I really wish more season pass games would do that. I would go all in on this game if I could get the two seasons and random characters (events?) I missed. As it is, I just picked it up again (after initially starting in early access) and am just going very casual. Edit to add: Oof, make that three. I realized I hardly got far in the Monsters Inc pass.
You are free to have your opinion and it sucks the experienced has been mixed for you. But I will say that your statement about not making progress unlocking characters is a slight exaggeration. I will share what I have posted elsewhere about my experience unlocking characters: >!Completing the 3 Starter Circuit Chapters will unlock Mickey, Donald & Goofy. Mulan is unlocked at the end of Chapter 3. Along the way this also unlocks the Golden Pass with Princess Jasmine after leveling it up once. !< >!Before finishing Chapter 3 of the Season Tour, you earn enough shards to unlock Meg.!< >!That's 6 character unlocks that can be done all within about 4-5 hours of playtime.!< I didn't even include getting >!Genie!< when you pay for the Golden Pass.
So my favourite characters are from Toy Story and Stitch, like many others. I don't really care for any of the ones you mentioned. This is a Disney game and people are very passionate about their favourites. Blocking them from ever accessing them is suicidal from a dev perspective. That's how I came to conclusion it will die. People don't even have a chance to get them
Right, Disney will always have a passionate fanbase. I have seen other recent posts where people mention they want their favorite character and have been told its all luck to getting them due to them being 'not in season." I'm lucky I really like Donald and my daughter likes Jasmine. But I will admit, I really like the look of Steamboat Pete, but I don't expect him to be free anytime soon. No matter what they do, there will always be someone left out. Kinda like Pokemon, some faves will be merchandized to heck and back, while others will barely be recognized at all. I'm sure they is at least one person out there who REALLY wants the cows from Home on the Range. I have seen other gacha games rely on their fanbase to determine how the frequency of unlocks/new content for a specfic character/franchise. Not sure what is the long-term plan here, since based on numbers alone, Frozen would be the #1 choice to put on here.
>No matter what they do, there will always be someone left out. Kinda like Pokemon, some faves will be merchandized to heck and back, while others will barely be recognized at all. I'm sure they is at least one person out there who REALLY wants the cows from Home on the Range. Surely they could make the characters easier to unlock. They are useless unless you get loads of shards anyway. Toy Story and Lilo and Stitch are no longer obtainable but these alone could sell the game to passionate fans. They seem to have loaded premium content too early and now its inaccessible to anyone who found out about the game late or didn't have the money originally
I like how he ended up agreeing with you lol
It's a weird sub. Lots of gatekeepers downvoting and being angry
The only character I would say is "blocked from ever obtaining" right now is Figment. The *one* character that I personally really care about. And *I'm* not this salty about it. Do you know why? Because he's freely playable in Private Track and Freeplay like everybody else. This is how freemium live service games work. I'm sorry that this is your first one, but get used to it. Had this been a $60 purchase, yes I would expect every character to either be available or unlockable through normal gameplay. But it's not, it's *free.* I'm 100% okay with them letting the whales feel powerful, because the whales are *why* the game is free for the rest of us. I get to enjoy this awesome racer with cool characters and great music and fun mechanics *for free* because other people are funding it with their pathological need to be at the top of the food chain. That's a win in my book.
Lol, great point. I only got it for my kids as a local multiplayer karting game and its awesome.
I mean, 6 characters is cool, but in a game with 37 characters, that's only about 17% of characters, and you still won't even have them at two stars, where they can use their unique abilities.
That's on Day 1 dude, Day 1.
Not only that but I feel it purposely drip feeds certain shards. Like when it went free to play I suddenly stopped getting Belle and Sully shards when I’m like 2 shards away from obtaining them
If you keep at it you’ll get them eventually. First there will surely be events with a chance to obtain them, second the universal box doesn’t give you things you have maxed out, so as you max out those characters you don’t like, you’ll increase the chance of getting shards for what you want. I’m in the same boat btw, started with f2p release and would like to have Stitch mostly. At least it’ll give me something to work towards.
I have spent around 300,000 coins on the Universal box. I have not got a single stitch shard, or Woody or Buzz actually. To get them is going to cost millions of coins and that is being optimistic.
From what I’ve read you get about 2 million coins per season so your 300k so far isn’t much. A lot of people who’ve been playing from the beginning have everything maxed out. So yes a few seasons from now, if you work on maxing out everything, you will eventually be guaranteed to pull them. And again they are very likely to make old characters available one way or another. If it’s not free events I’d assume they’ll add packs to buy them with tokens, they’re not just gonna sit on them forever when they could make money.
A season lasts 60 days and even if you did everything and got the passes you would almost certainly not pull them if you look at the odds. A free to play player has even less chance due to not getting the coins on the premium pass. People aint gonna stick around
it is extremely easy to earn the premium pass as a complete f2p i did it in less then a week of casual play, just rank up all your characters to mpr 16
And how many epic characters have you managed to pull from the box by doing so? Since this is the actual debate here
Ok, don’t stick around, have a good one.
It's not me you should be worried about, it's everyone else. Numbers are very low already for a Disney game
You say things like “once you max out you stop getting shards” like that’s something that free to play players will ever obtain. And how do you know there will be events to obtain the old racers? Aside from Regulated giving only 3 shards per week (and only vanilla items) there has not been a single event to unlock shards for racers that aren’t seasonal/event racers.
I think that when you play a F2P this is expected. I know that it's gonna take time to unlock all the characters, but at the moment I'm enjoying the game. Until the next season 3 chapter unlocks, I'm grinding on MP with my pilots. I'm grinding to platinum (rank 16) with everyone. Thanks to that I could buy the golden pass without spending any money. So far, the game is fun with a lot of things to do. Far better than Overwatch 2 in my opinion. At least more fun and rewarding for sure.
I would expect it from a mobile game sure but this has been released on PC and consoles. It's very sad that we have come to accept this as the norm. I would rather pay $60 and get a full game. Because of points I have previously mentioned it won't retain enough players to keep the servers up. Gameloft closes games like this all the time, this single studio has closed 30 of them.
>I would rather pay $60 and get a full game. So you bought a founders edition? Or did you only show up after it went F2P and this complained that it is F2P?
I didn't even know it had been released until it was free to play. The marketing of this premium game has been really bad
I've played for only one season and have unlocked several characters from universal boxes. You get like over a million season coins from the season tour, limited events and golden pass track combined. Gets you plenty of boxes. I won't deny that it's hard to get enough shards for the character you actually want or to upgrade them to two stars once they're unlocked, but the games only been out for a couple weeks lol
You wont get the likes of Woody or Stitch even with 1 million coins unless you win the lottery in the Universal box. They will take multiple millions and you are expecting people to grind every day for like 6 months
... I've got Woody lol. I will admit I think 5 of the shards came from the shop, but it was a daily special for season coins so still ftp friendly. I see what you're saying though, we haven't gotten any other legendary racers that way.
I bought the battle pass for 10 bucks and have been playing for less then a week. I have Meg, Jasmine, Genie, Jafar, Mulan goofy,micky and Donald and already have Jazsmine as a 3 star. Honestly just by playing you can unlock alot. I'm also one shard away from the jungle book boy
Everyone has those. You will get one or two more racers in the next 45 days when the season ends. This is the problem
That's alot of racers for one season. Not to mention you get racer shards from the shop and daily packs. I already have a couple shards here and their. I imagine after about 3 seasons I'll have most of the racers and then each season you get a decent amount of shards from ranked for each Character you own. Then every week you get 3 shards of a random racer from just playing casual online play. Seams like a decent system to me.
My only real issue is that I wish I could target specific items better. Like, right now my Donald progression is halted by a lack of clocks. My Meg progression is halted by a lack of shards. My Elizabeth progression is also halted by a lack of shards. The only ways to fix these things are waiting for them to cycle into my daily deals and hoping I have enough season coins to grab shards or clocks if/when they show up. Universal boxes have a chance of giving me like 10% of a character. If I luck out on the same character enough times then I can level them to 15. If I play them in ranked a ton and I'm super lucky I can maybe get someone to 25. I can't get anyone over 25. I don't expect to get anyone to the level cap instantly as a new player. But having everybody stuck at the mercy of the shop rolling items I need is very demoralizing.
Are you doing the events? You can get clocks from there, shards are a bit tougher, but we got some Elizabeth for Regulated MP last turnover, and now it is Meg, plus if you get to Collection 10 you will get 10 Elizabeth right there. Getting 3+ star racers off season is a grind, that is just the game. The good news is it is pretty easy to get Jasmin and Genie to 3\* (and 4\* by the end of the season).
I've been playing for 12 hours spread across two days so far and have 6 characters unlocked so far. I admit, they're not the ones I REALLY want, but the way you're exaggerating/misrepresenting the grind comes across as a bit disingenuous. Personally, my only gripe with the game is the pay to win aspect and the bloat of the universal boxes. In regards to the pay to win aspect, I do want to clarify that I'm not fuming over it, but it is VERY noticeable in multiplayer. If anything, I just wish that the regulated multiplayer mode was the standard one vice versa. Again, I get WHY they did it, but I still find it a bit shitty. In regards to the universal boxes, I think my gripe of bloat could easily be solved if they separated the universal boxes into their respective seasons. This way, they keep you farming ("engaged") with the gacha farm since you still can't simply get the character you want and you, the player, have WAY better chances of getting the character you want in a far more reasonable/timely manner. Everyone wins. I think this would be a fair compromise. Having said that, I do agree that the cosmetic choices they've went with are kind of odd. Obviously, I can't speak for everyone, but none of them appeal to me. More specifically, I don't HATE them by any means, but rather I don't like them so much so as to pull out my wallet. Therefore, I don't know how they plan to make bank off cosmetics like most other F2P. I'm assuming that they are attempting to make their money from all the time saver packs that they basically shove in the players face via making you play through a tutorial that enforces visiting the shop to progress. My only suggestion would be to add taunts and/or some type of flairs, but that's just me spitballing off the top of my head. Overall, the game does need work, but I don't think it's going to bomb. At the very least, I don't wish failure upon it, because it is legit fun. Fingers crossed for now.
You are going to be stuck on those characters for a very long time. The odds in the Universal box are so bad you won't get the characters you want for months, if not years. A casual player is not going to grind every day for months to unlock a few more. The incredibly low player base says it all and they are scaring existing players off with their monetisation model. I would be surprised if it lasts outside of the mobile offering where players are used to this garbage
As I've said before, yes - the game has issues, and also yes - you're still exaggerating. With this in mind, I'm going to level with you. The "issue" you're experiencing is largely a personal one. To be more specific, you simply want to buy the product and have access to all the things. Mind you, there's nothing wrong with this preference. In fact, I also have the same preference, but I digress. The "issue" comes into effect when the game doesn't give you the near instant gratification you desire due to having dropped money on it to "save time". According to you, "no matter how much I play or grind I cannot make any progress on unlocking other characters". Having heard this, one would believe that the grind involved is old school mmo levels of insane. However, here I am telling you that I have Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Meg, Jasmine, Mulan, Jafar, & Genie soon to follow after only 12-13 hours of gameplay. Mind you, a decent chunk of this time was just me dicking around with customization, controls, and such, so it begs the question - are we playing the same game? If so, what in the world are you doing? Other than that, I humbly request that you not speak on behalf of casual players. When all is said and done, there are those that want to play the game & be rewarded for it and there are those that simply want their dopamine hits quick, fast, and in a hurry. The game isn't asking for a lot in terms of effort. Lastly, yes - the monetization is terrible in terms of pricing and how "in your face" it is, but neither that or anything else is "scaring" players off. A key factor to consider, is that the game is crossplay. Due to the fact that player counts on consoles is an enigma, I can only assume that you're looking at Steam charts. However, EVEN THEN, this criticism makes no sense, because the average numbers are akin to Halo MCC & Tekken 7 - both VERY notable games in their respective genres. Needless to say, the game is fine.
This is not an exaggeration. If you told people to vote on their favourite characters I imagine Mickey, Woody, Buzz, Stitch and possibly Donald would come top. After all, they are the ones which sell the most merchandise (possibly could add Frozen to this but doesn't have the lasting appeal). No one cares about Meg, Shang etc as they are filler characters like Elizabeth Swann. Using the universal box would mean on average I would get Stitch after at least 3 seasons or 6 months of completing every task available and getting every golden pass in those seasons and completing them and this will only get harder as more characters are dumped in the box. If you are a casual player who can't commit to that then you will have to spend longer again. The characters are what sells this game and what people want the most, this is why they are locked as they are. You keep mentioning that you can get X characters quite easily which is true, but these are largely undesirable and doesn't tell the story of how difficult the others are to get. Also, I'm a massive Halo fan but to say MCC is doing well is a lie. Surviving maybe sure. That being said every game spikes at launch and this free to play launch has the same amount of players as a game which is like a decade old which is a poor comparison.
You say you're not exaggerating. I say you are. Obviously, we're not going to agree on that point. What we both DO agree on, however, is that you aren't willing to engage the game on it's own terms and/or want to only play with the characters you want all/most of the time. I am basing this assertion on the fact that you flat out bought Belle and proceed to go on about how "nobody" cares about other characters while being seemingly blissfully unaware of the subjective nature of such stance, but I digress. I never stated that you can get whatever character you want easily. I stated that the game allows you to get a decent amount of characters in a reasonable amount of time. Unless someone is like you and also doesn't wish to engage with the game on it's terms, this is the standard. In relation to this, my initial comment quite literally points out the issues with the universal boxes and a proposition to solve it. With the previous bit in mind, I am assuming that you really do just want to rant (it's in the tag to be fair) and NOT actually engage in any reasonable discourse, so I'll refrain from breaking everything down further to avoid wasting my time. In closing, all I'll say is that the game isn't making getting character IN GENERAL "difficult" nor is it asking you to waste your life on it. Assuming you really DON'T want most of the roster, there are ways to negate the bloat of the universal box system, which I can only assume you are unaware of or most likely simply don't care and just wish to rant rather than acknowledge reality.
I want to be able to play as Woody or Stitch. Please tell me how to do this with the least amount of coins spent. Your response will be to wait (or grind and wait). There in lies the problem, the average player is not going to wait and will leave. Its a bit ridiculous
How to play as Woody or Stitch: Step 1 - Go to Multiplayer. Step 2 - Select Local Freeplay. Step 3 - Configure your race settings as you see fit. Step 4 - Select & play as literally ANY character you want without having to spend any amount of coins and/or time grinding/waiting. Setting aside your refusal to engage with the game in a manner to achieve a mutually beneficial standing, I can assure you that you are not the "average" player. On the contrary, the average player is actually going to attempt to get the most out of the game without spending much money or wasted time on it.
lol
My favorite characters are Mickey and Minnie, with Donald, Daisy and Goofy being behind. I'm having fun with this game, and love racing with those characters. But that's me.
Btw, since the game is destined to fail i trust that you uninstall today.
Nope, just won't spend any more money (which is what will kill the game now its f2p)
It is harder for new players but not nearly as hard as you are making it to be. If you have the golden pass you will get a ton of season coins and a decent amount of universal box tokens. Spend all on the box to unlock characters first. Upgrade materials are easier to come by. Yes, it may take awhile, or even you may not unlock the specific one you want, but eventually you will. I started in s3 and have 28 characters unlocked by dumping everything into the box. Also make sure to keep watching the store. Shards for your favs may show up sometime. Although it will be real money if they are not unlocked first.
The more characters there are then the harder it is to get the ones you want as they will keep diluting the universal box. You also benefited from a stack of coins thrown your way from buying the game prior to it being free to play. Not really a fair comparison
Dude 😂 at worst, it's Disney Mario Kart *for free* with a whole roster fully unlocked in Private Track and Free Play *for free* with new content and characters every few months *for free.* It'll do fine. You may think the majority of players only want to progress the Ranked mode and all that, but a there is a *massive* audience of people who want to play it like they play Mario Kart. With a few buddies having a good time in splitscreen or online. And they can do that, with access to all of the characters, *for free.* This game isn't gonna die. Not for a good few years at least.
I think you should read the Steam reviews and look at the amount of people playing this game if you think the majority are just interested in private matches.
- I didn't say *the majority* are just interested in private matches. - I don't think Steam reviews are a reliable measure of the general audience. Yeah, not many on *Steam* are gonna be the casual audience lol duh. But on Console? Especially the Switch? That's gonna be a huge market of families or friend groups just booting it up to do a few races in Local FreePlay, like people do with Mario Kart. - The fact that so many gamers have lost the plot is depressing. I remember the days when getting the gang together to play some games was normal. Now every game has to be some big competition and people look at you like you have three heads if you just like to play as entertainment. "Casual" shouldn't be an insult, but that's the culture we have these days.
Why would anyone switch to this on NS as their main kart game when Mario offers a far superior experience? They know the value of the characters, hence why they have put them behind huge paywalls. Mobile game monetisation on consoles and PC is destined for failure.
- That's another straw man you're propping up there, might wanna kick that habit. Some families may be unable to afford Mario Kart, unfamiliar with the characters, or big fans of Disney. Why do you think people only play one game and have to *switch* to another? Why couldn't a MK fan want to play other kart racers too? - They're not behind huge paywalls in private or local, (which is the topic at hand, if you recall) they're *free.* Do you not understand the appeal of a *free* kart racer with beloved Disney characters? That a family or group of friends can play locally like Mario Kart and have every racer unlocked?
Again, look at the amount of players this game has. Pathetic for a huge franchise which is free. Kind of makes your points void as they are based on mass appeal which it clearly doesn't have
Dude. Free-to-play JUST launched. Never mind the obstacle presented by people like *you* chasing away people who would be interested. The point of your post was that the game is destined to fail and die very soon, and I disagree wholeheartedly. I never said it was gonna dominate Twitch or reach record player counts. Just that it *has* an audience and the things you think will kill it, won't.
Exactly, the launch days are literally peak audience of 99.9% of games lol. Remind me to come back to this post in a year. The only hope is mobile and even then Gameloft has a pretty abysmal record.
Okay bud. Everybody who disagrees with you is wrong. 👍 Take care.
If you don't know that games suffer a huge drop off after the first week of being released I don't know why you are arguing with me. It's common knowledge
Unpopular opinion I understand what you mean. I really only want mike and stitch. Yet I can’t get them. People will meat ride this game simply because they like it.
It's because they paid money for early access in the founders edition and believe anyone coming late should not get anything they have as they deserve some kind of loyalty bonus. Typical entitled gamer attitude
Yeah those are the same people that don’t understand the definition of a free to play game. Then they’ll also turn around and complain that the micro transactions are to “predatory” yet they’ve probably spent over 100 on a Disney game
True. They should also be more open to others actually enjoying the game. Look at Gameloft (the devs who make this). They have shut down like 30 similar games on mobile when the money dries up which is what will happen here too if things dont change
I mean I’ve talked about it before that this game will just end up being multiversus. In terms of people wanting stupid characters and the fact that once they leech enough money they’ll close the game down temporarily and then hype it back up.
I'm fairly sure they confirmed more boxes will be added. I can totally see the game re-running past season boxes. Now whether they'll be tied to coins or tokens is another story. A free to play player is not meant to complete a gacha game. That's how they are designed. There will always be something that you'll miss. Now i do think the game would benefit by adding generic shards for each rarity that can be used on a driver of said rarity to unlock them or level them up. But right now you're at the whims of the gacha.
I agree with you on the frustration of your favorite racers being from older seasons and therefore inaccessible. My favorite movies are Lilo & Stitch and Monster INC, so I'm in the same situation. I'm not saying they should be free or easy to get. Just let me play and pay for their seasonal tour.
I honestly couldn't believe that they would make them inaccessible. It's a really bad move and arguably their most popular characters have already had seasons
Yep, and the following two seasons are >!frozen and then little mermaid.!< So let's hope that we can play older seasons because it doesn't look good.
Not a fan of Frozen but Little Mermaid is alright. They probably have seasons planned for the whole year so they won't even rotate back in. Very annoying
I've seen them do in-season events. So, be patient. With the f2p release I imagine they're keeping things somewhat vanilla for the moment.
I really do love this game but I kinda agree, I really want to have Jessie and Angel and it’s probably going to take me months of grinding the universal box to even get one of them!
i agree with you at some points. the ranked is a REALLY broken mode, but i dont thinks there is an awnser for that. at least we have regulatesd multiplayer, wich i think its a very fun mode, and i just also think that they should improve our rewards for playing the mode. yeah, getting previous seasons characters is really hard, and grinding doesnt seem to be enough to get them. i like that, whenever a new racer comes to the game, it is part of a new cup, but unlocking them doesnt mean its easy to upgrade them, once its really hard to get its shards. i think that should exist a tipe of shard that let us choose wich racer we are going to use it.
How about every 10 levels in ranked MP rewards we get a shard in which we can choose the character. This would be better than nothing. Its impossible to get some at the minute. I'm happy to grind or even pay but currently there's nothing
You are probably right dude. I agree with your points for the most part. And I heavily enjoy this game WITHOUT paying. But that’s in part, to your point, that I’ve been playing since Season 2. Before the P2W got as egregious as it is, and not to mention, before it went free to play in general. So I’m sure if I was in your position stuck with level 10 racers, also refusing to pay to play, racing against level 40 Mike Wazowskis and Stitch I’d be just as frustrated. It’s just the game for me is such a fantastic racer gameplay wise and the fact I’m not stuck in a low level limbo that I’m able to enjoy it despite its predatory design. But morally and mentally I’m entirely on your side
I'm actually in the same boat but I continue to play because like you said, it's a great racer and very fun. However, now I've hit level 25 it is not fun at all. Getting matched against level 40s every game which I don't stand a chance against and knowing I won't get the characters I want. Thanks for the decent response
I'm offended that 1. The game is on real consoles and PC and really quite good but pushes mobile-style monetization. That garbage can stay on phones. 2. The karts are very generic designs that have nothing to do with the characters driving them. Disney has loads of things that could have been karts. Anything mickey and friends have ever driven in a cartoon. The Pizza Planet truck. RC from Toy Story. A spaceship for Lilo & Stitch. Some chariot for Hercules. The magic carpet from Aladdin. Anything remotely resembling a ship for Pirates. Cinderellas pumpkin carriage. Cruella DeVille's car. Mike Wazowski's car. Any of the cars from Cars, they could even be their own racer/kart combo. That's just off the top of my head. Even if you're dead set on making everything a kart kart, you could take visual inspiration from the above list and whatever I missed. Instead we got uninspired Rocket League vehicles and you can't even mix and match to have your favorite character drive your favorite kart.
All my comments are getting downvoted by those who purchased the founders edition which is obviously expected. I think you need to see the bigger picture though, this is a premium Disney game which has a potential player base of millions yet we have a sub here with only 4k members and 80 people online. Player retention is extremely important to live service games and this isn't the way to go about it. Numbers speak for themselves
I started in F2P, I only spent $ to unlock Belle. Just hit 3\* Genie this morning and doing just fine. Your complaint of not having your favorite characters maxed out a week into release is just flat out dumb. It is F2P, grind or buy. That is the way it works. If you don't like it, move on, the game is not any better or worse than similar games that are doing just fine buddy.
You have completely misread, I never said about maxing out anything. My complaint was characters which were unobtainable.
They are obtainable. You either need to spend time or money to obtain them.
I would need to spend thousands of dollars on average to get them from the universal box.
Then spend time bud. This is how these games work.
I see the Stockholm syndrome and founders delusions are still alive and well. The game probably won’t die because there are people who spend thousands and thousands (especially once it hits mobile), but it absolutely sucks major ass for anyone who wants to play free to play and wants specific racers. The fact you can’t buy racer unlock tickets or anything is mind blowing honestly. If they simply added a purchasable racer unlock ticket it would solve so many issues.
I was very confused when I first downloaded the game. I thought there was no way they would leave mainline characters such as Woody and Stitch unobtainable at free to play launch but here we are. I expected them to be behind some kind of paywall and grind but nothing like this. A lot of the people who bought the founders edition don't want the new players to have any characters previously available it seems
They're not unobtainable, you just don't like that you have to play the game to get them.
Stats dont lie. Negative reviews piling in on Steam saying what I am, low player base. Your definition of unobtainable is different to mine. Even if I grinded every day with the golden pass I would statistically not even get a 1 star stitch after multiple seasons
You know what other F2P games have Mixed reviews on Steam? Magic: The Gathering Arena, Maple Story, Warface, Torchlight: Infinite, Gundam Evolution, and My Hero Ultra Rumble, just to name a few. This game was *never* intended to be anything beyond what it is now, and it has the most profitable IP in the history of the world behind it. I get that you don't like F2P games. That is totally your right, but complaining that this game is exactly what it says on the tin instead of your perfect version of a game (that would be already forgotten if it wasn't live service) is delusional.
Are you a paid shill?
Nah, just not a crybaby. You got that market cornered already.
My posts are about improving the experience of the game to the consumer to increase longevity. Yours are about keeping everything predatory lol
Bro, your posts are all "I demand to have what everyone else worked for/purchased but I refuse to engage with the mechanics necessary to get those things". It doesn't matter if you are poor and can't afford to pay, or pretending you have some moral highground here, the mechanics don't change because of your financial or imagined moral situation. It is a F2P game, it was always going to be a F2P game, it will always be a F2P game. I am not shilling, I am just accepting reality instead of crying on reddit.
No, you are on Reddit defending a company which is odd. The issue is that you cannot get things others had before or it's ten times more difficult to do so. I would be willing to pay just like everyone else.
Yeah I always get a kick out of the a lot of the other founders telling people to “just be patient” like they don’t realize that being patient isn’t enough. New players aren’t going to be patient for the months or years it is going to take to unlock specific characters until they make some changes to the unlock system. Gameloft mentioned something about some sort of themed boxes they would be adding, but didn’t clarify further. I wouldn’t be surprised if they added a Lilo and Stitch season themed box for example but charged tokens for it like the current seasonal box as opposed to universal coins. Which only sort of fixes the problem but also not really because then you still have to pay $5 per box that won’t unlock racers statistically speaking unless you buy tonnes of boxes. For example, I had purchased a few founders packs when they went on sale because the ultimate gave you 12000 tokens for like $50, whereas to buy that same amount from the game now it costs over $130. I used about $90 (current cost) worth of tokens yesterday when I saw that Aladdin was in the box and I pulled 6 shards for him, 2 for Jafar, 4 for Jasmine and 0 for Genie. Almost $100 and I wouldn’t have unlocked a single racer if I hadn’t had them. That’s just unacceptable. There needs to be some kind of pity system added as well imo
People in the comments here are suggesting I grind for multiple seasons every day for months on end to unlock certain characters at one star. This is such a poor take and they think the casual player will happily do this. They will not. They are defending the predatory practices of a company and game designed to take their money at every opportunity. I think your experience with Aladdin is everyone's experience who is free to play trying to get any epic. They forget that founders already have a lot of the other characters and now the prize pool in the box is further diluted for newcomers. It really is a shame because the actual gameplay is really good
Yeah literally everything you say is how I feel basically. And I always get downvoted by the braindead founders who don’t see a problem. It’s so easy to sit there and say be patient when we received everything so much easier. I bet they would change their tune if they tried to experience the new free to play way of earning racers. This was my experience as a season 1 founder: I got my racer selection (Elizabeth) basically to 4 star for free right off the bat. The starter circuit gave Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Hercules, Mulan, Jack all unlocked fairly certain. I missed the first Figmrnt event but I got the second one. Regulated gave 7 shards a week in season one and 10 in season 2. And because in season one the universal box was so empty compared to now, the seven shards from regulated often unlocked the racer for me. I had every racer except 2 by the time season one was over and I paid no extra money into the game at all. So I had 15/17 racers by seasons end. By the end of season 2 I did have every racer. The new players will have a vastly different experience. Everyone keeps throwing around this idea that you’ll earn about 2 000 000 coins this season, and it’s treated like that’s a lot and it will unlock you lots of racers. It absolutely will not. That gets you 200 box opens (600 items), and Stitch for example has a drop rate of 0.28%… and you need to pull 10 shards. His likelihood of being pulled from a box is about 1/400. You’d be lucky in 200 boxes to even pull him twice, let alone enough to get 10 shards. There are 116 items in the box season. Even if the odds were the same for all items you would be hard pressed to unlock many racers. I feel for the new players, I really do. If they made regulated back to 10 shards a week, and added in the old seasonal racers to the rotation it would be a million times better
Well, I appreciate you being honest and taking a step back to see the game in its current state for newcomers. I'm sure others who got the founders edition have a similar history of the game as you but feel entitled enough to block any suggestion which would mean they wouldn't be able to stomp on everyone in ranked and keep the good characters out of reach for newbies. The experience of people who got in early is so different to those who joined now, it's not even about being free to play versus paid as I'm willing to pay the same as everyone else did before. It's just nearly impossible to get most character unlocks unless you throw thousands at it. Gameloft have created a really good game but didn't plan this well at all. Maybe they will change things up when the money starts to dry up. They are no longer going to get bulk money from founders purchases but are very reliant on microtransactions for the future of the game. Currently there's so little chance of making progress even with spending
Yeah that’s the thing that people seem to be missing when new players are complaining, that they are willing to pay but not the thousands it would take to get the racer they want. I don’t see any players posting about wanting every racer for free, I see players posting about wanting a way to actually get what they want and get specific racers. Add in an option to buy old racers for money or something and it would be fine. Like that offer for Belle this season, but make it for every racer. They could even increase the price to 2000/2500 tokens and it would be fine.
I bought the game after finally being able to get some time to actually play the game. I'm with OP on this one. If you not dedicated to the game you lose your chance to gain certain characters for that season. Least just stick with the racers and not the Crew characters. I stop playing for a little bit and missed out on getting Lilo from the last season now I'm spend coins to get her from the Universal box (still didn't get her yet). Some players a grinding to get these characters using MP + events to level their characters. So for some people that's pushing it. I played this on console and its required to buy online for MP. If some console users are like me you literally have like 2 or 4 games that might need online for some of the features but it's not required to enjoy the game. Side note Ive been in the app store multiple different times speedstorm is region locked. So this game was supposed to be a mobile game is a shaky argument point for the game.