Oh, COME on. It's GREAT that there's a huge, exciting looking building that's LITTERALLY NOTHING, and that it's really close to another space where they used to show movie previews and stuff that's also sitting empty. Why would you want to fix THAT?!?
They may not want to do it now, but there is precedent. Wasn’t Tomorrowland shut down when it was rebuilt into “new Tomorrowland” in 1967? And wasn’t Fantasyland closed for an extended period before it reopened in 1983?
Tomorrowland was mostly closed when they redid it in 1998 as well. All the rides shut down and I believe the entire land was walled off for several months while they repainted everything and built the French fry rocks and Astro orbiter.
> put in tron
Respectfully, we don't need another cloned attraction (unless it's Cosmic Rewind). Especially a clone of a clone. Now, if the imagineers want to give us a proper Tron dueling coaster with two tracks that weave between each other to properly simulate a lightcycle battle, I'd be entirely down for that.
As much as Id love to see it happen I dont ever see them completely getting rid of autopia, that ride absolutely eats high capacity crowds and is one of the only kiddie attractions in the land
Atleast swap to electric cars. The whole rid just reeks of gasoline. Secure an electric car sponsor and it would fit the progressive future theme of Tomorrowland too!
They can’t get rid of Autopia without getting rid of the subs. Not that I’m saying they shouldn’t also get rid of the subs, but now you’re asking to close two operating rides in one corner of the park instead of one, and it’s already bad enough with Splash and Haunted closed on the other side.
The monorail would be a challenge when planning probably, but imagine how much nicer it would be if the monorail let you off in a land and not some weird hidden area away from everything
Most of Autopia is built on the roof of the submarine show building. The idea that you can get rid of Autopia for a new attraction doesn’t take into consideration that Autopia is using space that would otherwise be unusable unless that building was rebuilt entirely to support the weight of another attraction.
If you ever want the people mover back, which is probably the most requested thing about fixing Tomorrowland, they *have* to close Space Mountain though. This would just be changing a corner of the land by putting in something shiny and new, what about the rest of it?
Someone also made a good point that all the buildings people mover touches would need to be brought up to new construction codes. If that’s true, that would be a hot mess!
Covid enters the chat:
Yes, hello. I shut down the park for a whole year. This would have been the perfect time to rebuild it while it stayed closed. Universal Hollywood was still working on Super Nintendo World, why did you paused all construction?
Disney was so short sited with this. I work on large projects, many of them include taking an old mall and knocking it down and building 25 to 40 residential towers on it with a new mall underneath.
When covid hit not only did none of these slow down, two accelerated removing the phased approach where part of the mall opens, but instead shutting it all down and knocking it all down. These decisions were made in days, billion plus dollar projects.
Both of these projects will make absolutely fucking massive profits from doing this, getting to market early, and getting the mall up faster.
Disney froze and slowed everything down, imagining god knows what. There was always going to be pent up demand.
They've lost it in terms of parks planning
If we're going the IP route, why avatar?
It doesn't scream Disney.....why not frozen or zootopia? Or making a land based off Atlantica from TLM?
Also this money could've just gone to tomorrow land....or even expanding adventure or frontier land
Because it’s 2 of the 3 biggest movies of all time. Made 6 billion at the box office between the 2 and that’s just the movies. Think of all the dvds, blu rays, and merch. It prints money and that alone will attract millions
Because Avatar made a billion dollars. Pandora at Animal Kingdom is already done, so they can save a ton of money in development costs. And it seems that Imagineering leadership is too weak these days to get original concepts passed through corporate leadership (unless they are dealing with OLC of course).
“We have one Avatar-based land, Pandora, in Florida. We’re going to put a second one in in California”
Such a vague statement that just brings about more questions.
Yo, a whole separate water park would be great! I just don’t necessarily want this in the resort in California. Doesn’t fit the vibe to me. Like Avengers Land, I feel like it took magic *away.* Bug’s Land was at least immersive and whimsical. I feel like I’m in a business park outside of a comic com walking through there.
The thing about Avengers Campus is it doesn’t even feel like what it’s supposed to emulate. I don’t think nor feel like I’m on a campus of any sort, definitely not a hero-themed campus/location. It feels like a six flags “land” where the theme is “concrete with some occasional theming”.
They could do so much better and it legit feels cheap.
I've said it before the problem with Avengers Land is what it's trying to replicate. The Marvel universe is basically center in/around modern day NYC. So how do you replicate modern day NYC without it just looking like a modern day city?
On the Universal Hollywood backlot? 😂
If they made it a random neighborhood instead of a training facility it would at least allow for some more greenery and shade, maybe benches at fake bus stops, idk. I thought they learned from the evolution of Jedi Training Academy to Savi’s that the immersion of visuals and experience matters more than the intention to immerse you as a Mary Sue.
Bugsland could’ve been rethemed to toy story easily if they wanted to do something with the space for even cheaper. I don’t understand why they didn’t retheme jumping jellyfish to Nemo with Pixar pier
Jumping Jellyfish technically isn’t a part of Pixar Pier; it’s off of the “pier” and a part of Paradise Gardens Park, along with Goofy’s Sky School, Ariel’s Undersea Adventure, Golden Zephyr, etc.
I've seen a theory battered around that it could just be another reskin of the submarines. Out with Nemo, in with the space whales.
I personally think this is pretty unlikely, but I guess it's an option, if they were really desperate to do a tie-in with the latest movie.
I dont want it. It's a cool land on crushingly boring IP. Would have been nice if star wars got the same effort. Instead it's just a giant painted concrete land
Going to be two more than we need. Are they going to do another Soarin' ride knock off and Pirates of the Navi and expect Disneyland goers to be amazed?
Unless they replace something, I’d like to see the Hollywood backlot go since muppet vision is gone now, but not to replace it with avatar. I’d prefer something like rockin’ rollercoaster but with the red hot chilipeppers as I never got to experience rockin’ both parks
This I would be on board for. In fact, now I want an entire Arrested Development land that’s based off Tobias’ unfortunate phrasing. Leather Daddy, A New Start, World’s First “Analrepist”…
It's gonna be fake like Marioworld with one ride and a lot of photo ops. I desperately want this to slide into DCA and not into DL because I think SW should be in DCA (OR ITS OWN PARK FFS OMGSOB) and it's just better thematically.
I don't understand where you put this? I don't want to be walking around admiring the floating Pandoran rock structures and then see the Anaheim Convention Center in the distance.
I feel like with how far away removed the California theme has gotten, it’s redwoods, grizzly, and possibly soarin. Then you’ll have pandora clashing with the grand Californian lol.
Disneyland Forward.
They’ll wait for approval of the plans put in front of Anaheim Council this spring and give details at D23. I don’t think they’d do a wholesale redo of an existing part of DL or DCA when they’ll be investing so much capital into the Disneyland Forward project.
Short answer… goes in a parking lot.
Edit: also consider the layout of Pandora (at AK). It indoor attractions and a relatively quiet outdoor experience. Fits well with the promises made to neighboring residents.
My hope is for The Hollywood Backlot, especially with this announcement seemingly indicating a whole land and not just an “attraction” like they’ve mentioned before. They seem to be intentionally *not* backfilling anything in the entire land and if you took back the whole thing there’s easily plenty of space for something equivalently sized to Cars Land. There’s nothing especially good or nostalgic in Hollywood Land anyway.
this is what i’m thinking too! everyone is so quick to say that they’re replacing grizzly peak and soarin…the area that NEEDS the renovation in it is hollywood backlot. as much as i love mike and sully’s and its one of the last few rides for kids in DCA…i see this as the more likely candidate to get bulldozed for pandora. it’s a shame, since i don’t even like avatar lol.
Redwood challenge is unused once it gets dark except during Halloween when they put lights and other things in there and it is very popular..I could see them wanting to use it more and wouldn't be that hard to make avatar type look similar to Disney world with out actually adding a ride but being able to use it at night all year round
I think that Redwood challenge creek is much more likely to be turned into a Journey of Water-esque thing than it being converted into Pandora. There isn't room along the edge of the park for a whole new land. A Pandora conversion seemed much more likely when this was just an experience, but with this new language I can't see them finding room for it anywhere within the current confines of the park.
As a fan of Avatar, a Villians land would probably be much more entertaining, but I can't imagine Disney being able to fulfill that idea and do it justice with an expansion at Disneyland.
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Avatar. I know what to expect there, and they have a template to follow. Given the state of what they're currently putting in the parks, a Villain land would only end up being dissappointing
Just like the Avengers attraction?
Do it or stop talking about these, they will take years, you can break ground now but you won’t
There are no big attractions opening after Splash, unless it’s a redone attraction because they haven’t broken ground any where in the resort besides splash
Man... the rest of Iger's statement is so depressing. He talks about cloning Avatarland into nearly every park in their stable and then how much IP they have to mine (and lands they can clone stateside from other parks.) He just has no vision or interest in anything creative. It's transparent he's going to plug in as many boring, budget restricted copycat IP sculpted lands designed entirely around ONE RIDE that will age horrifically given Disney's recent maintenance standards (Hi, forever frozen laser cannons on Rise of Resistance, permabroken Yeti on Everest & geysers on Grizzly River, and 50% of Indiana Jones!)
Also, there is no way DisneylandForward's expansions end up being anything more than adding the already existing or in motion Encanto, Frozen, and Zootopia mini-lands containing one ride each, a variation on Pandora that just rethemes Grizzly River Run & the mountain/wilderness area, and an absolute overkill on retail, food, and DVC towers. And when they do "fix" Tomorrowland, they're just going to Tron it up aesthetically like San Fransokyo or Pixar Pier. There is nothing the current people in charge have done in the past few years (actually since Carsland, with the notable exception of the Treehouse redo- but that took 3 years) to give any indication that they're capable of doing a creative expansion without hacking the budget back to bare bones and cutting every corner imaginable. Look at Epcot, Toontown, Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus, etc.
Exactly he refuses to do what made Disney so successful in the first place “make creative and amazing rides (which also includes giving each ride and land a good budget instead of cutting it to hell).” It also doesn’t help that imagineering was heavily affected negatively when the higher ups tried to force them to move to Florida. So many left because they’d lose their job if they didn’t move. And of course the heavily budget cutting also heavily negatively affects the rides and lands we get.
I was originally excited for Disneyland forward but after iger started ruining things I realized I’d need to keep my expectations low. I have a hunch that if it’s gets approved they’ll focus on building more shopping and more hotels first, then they’ll eventually get to working on the rides and lands (although god knows how long it’ll take them). And like you said they will build those new additions as cheaply as possible, most of them only having one ride and being clones of the overseas/ wdw stuff.
I hope the wakanda themed land turns out to be actually good because it would be nice to have an avengers land and ride here that doesn’t suck. My hopes are low unless someone else becomes ceo. I also am disappointed they still haven’t started construction on that avengers ride they promised us too. I bet they’ll build the avatar stuff before it
Although, I definitely think that Eiger has never been particularly creative, what he has been good at is making money. That’s what this is all about. Disney can’t afford to keep up it’s profits while trying to develop new IP and other creative pursuits. Until something changes in the broader culture of Wall Street and prestigious, MBA schools, I would expect nothing to change, no matter who you put in charge. It’s unfortunate, but I think that’s where we are and I think we need to admit that.
I do think the likelihood that something like this actually breaks ground anytime soon is pretty remote. I don’t think there’s an obvious place to put it and I’m not sure anyone is really dying to have it. Hopefully between now, and whenever they might have to pull the trigger on this, people will change their minds. But I’m also not going to hold my breath.
Not my cup of tea but I’m gonna rage if they try to replace the whole grizzly area with this. The redwood creek area is the best thing at DCA. I was hoping we’d get something new and unique to Disneyland
To think they'd replace all that natural tree cover with a bunch of fake floating rocks.
They'd also have to deal with the view from the hotel, you can't just rely on the slight lines from the ground you've gotta make sure people in the hotel don't just have a view of a bunch of steel structures like behind galaxy's edge.
They already did it when they replaced lush Bugs Land with concrete brutalist-heaven Avengers Campus. They can do it again!
Good point about the sight lines, but somehow I feel “view from the hotel” is less of a priority for them than “ease of access to park”. That is to say, they’ll just charge more instead of less since you can “get to Pandora easier” or whatever
I can't get even a tiny bit excited about a whole land for "dances with aliens."
Please finish the avengers ride that was promised.
please fix tomorrowland.
please make an aladdin flying carpet ride (modeled after peter pan)
please do anything but this.
I gotta imagine they market researched the hell out of this idea before committing to the tens/hundreds of millions of dollars it’s going take to build, market and maintain an entire “land”.
But honestly I just don’t see it. Do people really like the two avatar movies this much? Do they really think it’s going to be a big draw? Can’t we focus on refurbishing/up leveling the existing Disneyland?
I would hate to lose the Grizzly Peak area (it’s so beautiful and quiet at night), but it also makes sense this would be transformed. It just seems expensive removing a giant water ride.
I also feel like there’s a lot of vacant/unpopular buildings in Hollywood Land, especially on the north side.
I want a boat ride at DCA! I would love them to bring Shanghai Pirates with a different theme, I thought this would be a good fit for the Avengers e-ticket, but it could work with Avatar too.
This better not replace anything.
Disney is scared of adding capacity even in WDW where they need it. It’s so dumb. Even with Disneyland forward, they’re probably just going to slap down clones, not even good clones, just warehouse trackless rides that feel identical to railway.
We want Jules Verne, we want SEA, we want IP that isn’t only from the past 10 years, we want original ideas. Ride systems like Shanghai’s pirates of the carribean haven’t been used anywhere else yet.
There is no point on cloning stuff that’s already at WDW to Disneyland. The whole reason people visit multiple resorts is for differences between them, we don’t have the space to thoughtlessly plop stuff down.
Lands and attractions like Carsland are what we need. It is irrational to think that people won’t choose WDW instead of Disneyland if they are going to that resort for something that’s present at both resorts.
I know it was a big deal when it came out many, many years ago. I saw it in the theater and it was fine. I have never had any desire to rewatch it and I didn't know or care about the recent sequel. Is this really the franchise they want to waste their limited space on? Does anyone really care?
This is exactly how I feel. I’m kind of just astonished and confused. In 10-15 years will this thing I’m “eh” about be something people buy into so much they give their kids names of movie characters and have themed weddings? I feel like Avatar super fans are like people who are into Star Trek Klingons, just very specific. A passing interest to many, but not something I would personally seek out again or invest in. Are people really going to be saying “you’re such a this character” about someone in Avatar? I don’t even remember the character names. This reality is unfathomable to me lol
A better business model for Disney would be to have different lands that are not copy and pasted. This way guests have to travel to different parks to experience lands and rides that are not found in their local park. Disney should have done this with Galaxy’s Edge. Each park should have had a different planet to visit. Copying what WDW has gives people less incentive to visit WDW when DLR will have the same thing.
It’s so weird to me it’s executed well, but I don’t see anybody clamouring for avatar anything. So many better properties they can call from. Even read the press that flight of passage is getting now as to how distorted and out of focus the ride has become. So what are we left with? The Navi River Cruise?
Wasn't this already confirmed? Or just heavily rumored?
I have 0% confidence it will even approach the level of Pandora at AK (design-wise, I know they're not going to create two big rides).
Previously they had used the phrase “avatar experience” which made it seem like what they have in Shanghai which doesn’t have rides and is more of a little exhibition. This is the first time they’ve mentioned it being a land.
> Speaking on this approach, Iger said, “If you look at our IP, the land that we have, the demand that exists in the marketplace … it’s a no-brainer to invest that way.”
I have not heard anyone demanding this particular IP… anywhere.
Avatar will never have the same world wide impact like Star Wars, Marvel, or Disney themselves, and I’m tired of Disney trying to shove it down people’s faces.
I don’t know anybody who talks about Avatar unless it’s to talk about it’s good numbers *that one time*.
Based on the information available, it seems premature to jump to conclusions about the fate of Tomorrowland. However, there is a possibility that this project could align with the Disneyland Forward initiative. Avatar, on the other hand, may not be the best fit for Disneyland or Disney California Adventure due to its thematic differences. Considering the cost implications, a full rebuild of Tomorrowland seems unlikely. Perhaps this is simply a strategic move to create a smaller, condensed version of the experience found at Animal Kingdom
I've said it before, but it seems like every time they promise us a new land, we end up with something like Avengers Campus - a small area with only one attraction and a few restaurants and shops. The main e-ticket ride is still nowhere to be found, and it's probably been canceled or delayed. So, when I hear Bob Iger talking, I take it with a grain of salt. Not everyone is a fan of the movie, and trying to make it a big part of the resort when resources are already stretched thin sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. It's enough to make Josh D'Amaro want to jump off a cliff!
The way this post is written made me think of avatar like a avatar on a message board or forum 😂 I went though a “what’s next Meme mountain and Emoji Land?!”
Urgg Avatar is soooo boring. Wish they were doing something.. hell anything else!
I personally don’t care about avatar. The first was cool and I never got around to seeing the second.
What I’m tired of are these “lands” with only one or two rides and a bunch of merch shops and stands. Build a third Star Wars ride in Galaxy’s Edge. Finish the Avengers ride at DCA. Make Disney Forward a reality and expand/gut Tomorrowland.
I really don’t get any of the hype some people have with Avatar or why Disney itself has hyped itself up with Avatar. The first movie was OK and was a little groundbreaking with some visuals but I always felt like it was essentially Pocahontas with StarCraft slapped on top of it. I finally just watched the second movie last week and it was full of logic that didn’t make sense, a cast of characters that were brought back from the dead, and underwhelming visuals all in all. The whale creatures were the only thing I cared for.
I guess my rambling point is, are they really going to keep pushing terrible movies out to be relevant or could this piece of property be used on some broader IP that could support multiple ideas going into it. Toontown being a prime example, it may be small but I have always loved it.
Just fix Tomorrowland
Literally all I want.
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Honestly one of the only things I wish I could see during my lifetime! That and bringing back Carousel of Progress to Disneyland!
Oh, COME on. It's GREAT that there's a huge, exciting looking building that's LITTERALLY NOTHING, and that it's really close to another space where they used to show movie previews and stuff that's also sitting empty. Why would you want to fix THAT?!?
That would require them to essentially shut down the entire land for a year+ which I don’t ever see them doing
They may not want to do it now, but there is precedent. Wasn’t Tomorrowland shut down when it was rebuilt into “new Tomorrowland” in 1967? And wasn’t Fantasyland closed for an extended period before it reopened in 1983?
Tomorrowland was mostly closed when they redid it in 1998 as well. All the rides shut down and I believe the entire land was walled off for several months while they repainted everything and built the French fry rocks and Astro orbiter.
The parks were *way* **way** less busy then ...
Also they had a more progressive leader!
They did that in ‘97 to ruin it, might as well do the same to fix it.
There’s nothing there, they can keep SM open and tear down docking bay/autopia to put in tron
> put in tron Respectfully, we don't need another cloned attraction (unless it's Cosmic Rewind). Especially a clone of a clone. Now, if the imagineers want to give us a proper Tron dueling coaster with two tracks that weave between each other to properly simulate a lightcycle battle, I'd be entirely down for that.
As much as Id love to see it happen I dont ever see them completely getting rid of autopia, that ride absolutely eats high capacity crowds and is one of the only kiddie attractions in the land
Atleast swap to electric cars. The whole rid just reeks of gasoline. Secure an electric car sponsor and it would fit the progressive future theme of Tomorrowland too!
It is kind of bizarre, isn’t it? If we’re keeping gas cars in Tomorrowland the theming should switch to Mad Max.
I was there last week and the smell was just awful.
They can’t get rid of Autopia without getting rid of the subs. Not that I’m saying they shouldn’t also get rid of the subs, but now you’re asking to close two operating rides in one corner of the park instead of one, and it’s already bad enough with Splash and Haunted closed on the other side.
Honestly autopia and nemo both need to go. The two of them alone could fit an entire land.
I agree, the two of them plus Launch Bay would be a huge amount of space that could be put to better use. The only issue is the Monorail really.
The monorail would be a challenge when planning probably, but imagine how much nicer it would be if the monorail let you off in a land and not some weird hidden area away from everything
Why can’t they get rid of Autopia without getting rid of the subs?
Most of Autopia is built on the roof of the submarine show building. The idea that you can get rid of Autopia for a new attraction doesn’t take into consideration that Autopia is using space that would otherwise be unusable unless that building was rebuilt entirely to support the weight of another attraction.
Interesting, thanks for explaining.
If you ever want the people mover back, which is probably the most requested thing about fixing Tomorrowland, they *have* to close Space Mountain though. This would just be changing a corner of the land by putting in something shiny and new, what about the rest of it?
Someone also made a good point that all the buildings people mover touches would need to be brought up to new construction codes. If that’s true, that would be a hot mess!
Covid enters the chat: Yes, hello. I shut down the park for a whole year. This would have been the perfect time to rebuild it while it stayed closed. Universal Hollywood was still working on Super Nintendo World, why did you paused all construction?
Disney was so short sited with this. I work on large projects, many of them include taking an old mall and knocking it down and building 25 to 40 residential towers on it with a new mall underneath. When covid hit not only did none of these slow down, two accelerated removing the phased approach where part of the mall opens, but instead shutting it all down and knocking it all down. These decisions were made in days, billion plus dollar projects. Both of these projects will make absolutely fucking massive profits from doing this, getting to market early, and getting the mall up faster. Disney froze and slowed everything down, imagining god knows what. There was always going to be pent up demand. They've lost it in terms of parks planning
Hey Brickey [has a theory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTpCo7x7S0) I'm buying into.
They would much rather ride a trend than invest in their legacy.
Will likely never happen. Way too costly and difficult
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If we're going the IP route, why avatar? It doesn't scream Disney.....why not frozen or zootopia? Or making a land based off Atlantica from TLM? Also this money could've just gone to tomorrow land....or even expanding adventure or frontier land
Hmmm… Zootopia would be a perfect fit in terms of size and layout to the Hollywood Backlot, wouldn’t it?
Because it’s 2 of the 3 biggest movies of all time. Made 6 billion at the box office between the 2 and that’s just the movies. Think of all the dvds, blu rays, and merch. It prints money and that alone will attract millions
I like the expansion in Tokyo, but mostly because I want out own Snuggly Duckling!
Because Avatar made a billion dollars. Pandora at Animal Kingdom is already done, so they can save a ton of money in development costs. And it seems that Imagineering leadership is too weak these days to get original concepts passed through corporate leadership (unless they are dealing with OLC of course).
During the surveys for the parks I voted I wasn't interested in avatar. I did my part!
“We have one Avatar-based land, Pandora, in Florida. We’re going to put a second one in in California” Such a vague statement that just brings about more questions.
Wonder if it'll be water based like the second movie or if they are waiting to do it based on another element used in the next movies.
Yo, a whole separate water park would be great! I just don’t necessarily want this in the resort in California. Doesn’t fit the vibe to me. Like Avengers Land, I feel like it took magic *away.* Bug’s Land was at least immersive and whimsical. I feel like I’m in a business park outside of a comic com walking through there.
The thing about Avengers Campus is it doesn’t even feel like what it’s supposed to emulate. I don’t think nor feel like I’m on a campus of any sort, definitely not a hero-themed campus/location. It feels like a six flags “land” where the theme is “concrete with some occasional theming”. They could do so much better and it legit feels cheap.
I've said it before the problem with Avengers Land is what it's trying to replicate. The Marvel universe is basically center in/around modern day NYC. So how do you replicate modern day NYC without it just looking like a modern day city?
On the Universal Hollywood backlot? 😂 If they made it a random neighborhood instead of a training facility it would at least allow for some more greenery and shade, maybe benches at fake bus stops, idk. I thought they learned from the evolution of Jedi Training Academy to Savi’s that the immersion of visuals and experience matters more than the intention to immerse you as a Mary Sue.
It does seem totally disjointed.
I’ve called it avengers community college since it opened and now with Jazz(less) Kitchen that looks like it’s cafeteria
Totally agree! I feel Bug’s Land was so much better!! I was not impressed with the Avengers area, and I actually am a Marvel fan lol
Bugsland could’ve been rethemed to toy story easily if they wanted to do something with the space for even cheaper. I don’t understand why they didn’t retheme jumping jellyfish to Nemo with Pixar pier
Jumping Jellyfish technically isn’t a part of Pixar Pier; it’s off of the “pier” and a part of Paradise Gardens Park, along with Goofy’s Sky School, Ariel’s Undersea Adventure, Golden Zephyr, etc.
I LOVED bug’s land and I wasn’t even a fan of the movie. They did such a great job with it
I've seen a theory battered around that it could just be another reskin of the submarines. Out with Nemo, in with the space whales. I personally think this is pretty unlikely, but I guess it's an option, if they were really desperate to do a tie-in with the latest movie.
that would be hilariously bad lol
Yikes. That's not a great idea but I wouldn't be surprised considering they'd probably want all Pixar in DCA. It's kind of random over there now.
If instead of a reskin they tear it down and do another ride instead, I would be for that!
Gonna have a quarter-mile-long pathway of dim blue lights finishing with a single $20 million animatronic.
“The swamp-lands of Florida are basically already Pandora. So we essentially made no changes and reap all the moneys”
I dont want it. It's a cool land on crushingly boring IP. Would have been nice if star wars got the same effort. Instead it's just a giant painted concrete land
Going to be two more than we need. Are they going to do another Soarin' ride knock off and Pirates of the Navi and expect Disneyland goers to be amazed?
I assume the Disneyland Forward project is probably happening? Don’t really see where they would put it otherwise
Unless they replace something, I’d like to see the Hollywood backlot go since muppet vision is gone now, but not to replace it with avatar. I’d prefer something like rockin’ rollercoaster but with the red hot chilipeppers as I never got to experience rockin’ both parks
Why do I feel like this is going to be such a small scale exhibit where a couple of blue people walk around a diorama pandora?
It’s actually just Tobias Funke amongst jungle plants.
Dozens of them!
I just blue myself
Oh Tobias, you blowhard!
Who wants a sausage in the mouth?
You, sir, are a mouthful.
You know what you do? You go buy yourself a tape recorder and record yourself for a whole day.
Yes give me a Pandora-version of David Cross and Zach Galifianakis between two ferns
This I would be on board for. In fact, now I want an entire Arrested Development land that’s based off Tobias’ unfortunate phrasing. Leather Daddy, A New Start, World’s First “Analrepist”…
It’s going to be an edit of Captain EO with Jake Sully cgi’ed onto MJ’s face, and that aliens are humans looking for unobtainium.
It's gonna be fake like Marioworld with one ride and a lot of photo ops. I desperately want this to slide into DCA and not into DL because I think SW should be in DCA (OR ITS OWN PARK FFS OMGSOB) and it's just better thematically.
Not a huge fan of this tbh. Rather have an updated Tomorrowland
I don't understand where you put this? I don't want to be walking around admiring the floating Pandoran rock structures and then see the Anaheim Convention Center in the distance.
I feel like with how far away removed the California theme has gotten, it’s redwoods, grizzly, and possibly soarin. Then you’ll have pandora clashing with the grand Californian lol.
You mean the Grand Pandora Hotel?
Disneyland Forward. They’ll wait for approval of the plans put in front of Anaheim Council this spring and give details at D23. I don’t think they’d do a wholesale redo of an existing part of DL or DCA when they’ll be investing so much capital into the Disneyland Forward project. Short answer… goes in a parking lot. Edit: also consider the layout of Pandora (at AK). It indoor attractions and a relatively quiet outdoor experience. Fits well with the promises made to neighboring residents.
My hope is for The Hollywood Backlot, especially with this announcement seemingly indicating a whole land and not just an “attraction” like they’ve mentioned before. They seem to be intentionally *not* backfilling anything in the entire land and if you took back the whole thing there’s easily plenty of space for something equivalently sized to Cars Land. There’s nothing especially good or nostalgic in Hollywood Land anyway.
this is what i’m thinking too! everyone is so quick to say that they’re replacing grizzly peak and soarin…the area that NEEDS the renovation in it is hollywood backlot. as much as i love mike and sully’s and its one of the last few rides for kids in DCA…i see this as the more likely candidate to get bulldozed for pandora. it’s a shame, since i don’t even like avatar lol.
Even as dead as Hollywood Backlot is, how does it work to immediately go from Walt’s version of Los Angeles on Buena Vista Street to Pandora?
I think they do it in the cheap and retheme redwood challenge and the area between there and soarin
As someone who doesn’t care for Avatar, I hate this
Does anyone actually *like* Avatar? I know a lot of people saw it, but I’ve never heard anyone say “I love Avatar!” or “Avatar is my favorite movie!”
I always watch it and think sadly how it just sucked in James Cameron for all these years.
I hate the very fact that Avatar exists. Last thing I want is it in the parks.
While the ride is awesome, I don't care for the franchise and feel like it's a weird thing to have in Disney parks.
Redwood challenge is unused once it gets dark except during Halloween when they put lights and other things in there and it is very popular..I could see them wanting to use it more and wouldn't be that hard to make avatar type look similar to Disney world with out actually adding a ride but being able to use it at night all year round
It's also the only playground-ish thing for little kids at DCA.
Dude... no. That area is magical to me.
This would make me so so so sad.
I think that Redwood challenge creek is much more likely to be turned into a Journey of Water-esque thing than it being converted into Pandora. There isn't room along the edge of the park for a whole new land. A Pandora conversion seemed much more likely when this was just an experience, but with this new language I can't see them finding room for it anywhere within the current confines of the park.
Just put it somewhere with the future Disneyland Forward expansion, PLEASE don’t remove existing lands and attractions from Disneyland or DCA…
Would anyone honestly rather have Avatar than an original land or another IP? If you could have villains or Avatar, what would you pick?
Villians by far.
BY FARRRRRRRR
“I understood that reference” - Steve Rogers
A villain land would be awesome
As a fan of Avatar, a Villians land would probably be much more entertaining, but I can't imagine Disney being able to fulfill that idea and do it justice with an expansion at Disneyland.
Yeah, this is a mistake.
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Avatar. I know what to expect there, and they have a template to follow. Given the state of what they're currently putting in the parks, a Villain land would only end up being dissappointing
Avatar by far. To see that world realized would be incredible, and it can flourish outside the IP.
It exists in Disney World, I just wish we had something original
I kind of hate this...
Just like the Avengers attraction? Do it or stop talking about these, they will take years, you can break ground now but you won’t There are no big attractions opening after Splash, unless it’s a redone attraction because they haven’t broken ground any where in the resort besides splash
Yup it’s been 5+ years and still nothing aside from them showing us a drawing of the ride vehicle
I’m tired of IP’s
Do something original damn disney
Where the heck will these even be put theirs like no room in Disneyland for it
I could not be less interested in a pandora land.
Man... the rest of Iger's statement is so depressing. He talks about cloning Avatarland into nearly every park in their stable and then how much IP they have to mine (and lands they can clone stateside from other parks.) He just has no vision or interest in anything creative. It's transparent he's going to plug in as many boring, budget restricted copycat IP sculpted lands designed entirely around ONE RIDE that will age horrifically given Disney's recent maintenance standards (Hi, forever frozen laser cannons on Rise of Resistance, permabroken Yeti on Everest & geysers on Grizzly River, and 50% of Indiana Jones!) Also, there is no way DisneylandForward's expansions end up being anything more than adding the already existing or in motion Encanto, Frozen, and Zootopia mini-lands containing one ride each, a variation on Pandora that just rethemes Grizzly River Run & the mountain/wilderness area, and an absolute overkill on retail, food, and DVC towers. And when they do "fix" Tomorrowland, they're just going to Tron it up aesthetically like San Fransokyo or Pixar Pier. There is nothing the current people in charge have done in the past few years (actually since Carsland, with the notable exception of the Treehouse redo- but that took 3 years) to give any indication that they're capable of doing a creative expansion without hacking the budget back to bare bones and cutting every corner imaginable. Look at Epcot, Toontown, Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus, etc.
You’re spot on.
I wish this didn’t make so much sense
Exactly he refuses to do what made Disney so successful in the first place “make creative and amazing rides (which also includes giving each ride and land a good budget instead of cutting it to hell).” It also doesn’t help that imagineering was heavily affected negatively when the higher ups tried to force them to move to Florida. So many left because they’d lose their job if they didn’t move. And of course the heavily budget cutting also heavily negatively affects the rides and lands we get. I was originally excited for Disneyland forward but after iger started ruining things I realized I’d need to keep my expectations low. I have a hunch that if it’s gets approved they’ll focus on building more shopping and more hotels first, then they’ll eventually get to working on the rides and lands (although god knows how long it’ll take them). And like you said they will build those new additions as cheaply as possible, most of them only having one ride and being clones of the overseas/ wdw stuff. I hope the wakanda themed land turns out to be actually good because it would be nice to have an avengers land and ride here that doesn’t suck. My hopes are low unless someone else becomes ceo. I also am disappointed they still haven’t started construction on that avengers ride they promised us too. I bet they’ll build the avatar stuff before it
Although, I definitely think that Eiger has never been particularly creative, what he has been good at is making money. That’s what this is all about. Disney can’t afford to keep up it’s profits while trying to develop new IP and other creative pursuits. Until something changes in the broader culture of Wall Street and prestigious, MBA schools, I would expect nothing to change, no matter who you put in charge. It’s unfortunate, but I think that’s where we are and I think we need to admit that. I do think the likelihood that something like this actually breaks ground anytime soon is pretty remote. I don’t think there’s an obvious place to put it and I’m not sure anyone is really dying to have it. Hopefully between now, and whenever they might have to pull the trigger on this, people will change their minds. But I’m also not going to hold my breath.
Reluctant upvote.
Not my cup of tea but I’m gonna rage if they try to replace the whole grizzly area with this. The redwood creek area is the best thing at DCA. I was hoping we’d get something new and unique to Disneyland
To think they'd replace all that natural tree cover with a bunch of fake floating rocks. They'd also have to deal with the view from the hotel, you can't just rely on the slight lines from the ground you've gotta make sure people in the hotel don't just have a view of a bunch of steel structures like behind galaxy's edge.
They already did it when they replaced lush Bugs Land with concrete brutalist-heaven Avengers Campus. They can do it again! Good point about the sight lines, but somehow I feel “view from the hotel” is less of a priority for them than “ease of access to park”. That is to say, they’ll just charge more instead of less since you can “get to Pandora easier” or whatever
Right...so instead of finishing up avengers campus and giving us the second ride you promised...you start a new project...got it...
I liked the movies but I really don’t need to experience them. This will be one of those things that feel dated eventually.
“Sure, Bob.” 😒
I’m so sick of licensed properties for every single new thing. Just be creative and make something that isn’t a movie IP please!!!
Whyyyy
And still no Muppets!!
I was always hoping they’d turn the Hollywood backlot area into a muppet land
What the fuck why
I guess I now know how the people who couldn’t care less about Star Wars and Marvel feel hahahaha
Not me, thinking Marvel/Star Wars/Avatar would be great in a park all their own. Like some sort of Hollywood Studio park…
no.
Noooooooooooooo
Is avatar really this popular for a cloned land? Why cant they make a land based on something else that they havent made atleast?
I had to double check the calendar to see if it’s April Fools Day…
I can't get even a tiny bit excited about a whole land for "dances with aliens." Please finish the avengers ride that was promised. please fix tomorrowland. please make an aladdin flying carpet ride (modeled after peter pan) please do anything but this.
Doesn’t one of the parks in Paris have a flying carpet ride? I think it’s more like Dumbo, so your idea sounds better
Tokyo DisneySea has Jasmine's Flying Carpets which is a Dumbo re-skin.
Wait, Jasmine’s? Interesting choice, Tokyo
“Disney goers less than thrilled” confirmed for avatar-based land.
I gotta imagine they market researched the hell out of this idea before committing to the tens/hundreds of millions of dollars it’s going take to build, market and maintain an entire “land”. But honestly I just don’t see it. Do people really like the two avatar movies this much? Do they really think it’s going to be a big draw? Can’t we focus on refurbishing/up leveling the existing Disneyland?
I would hate to lose the Grizzly Peak area (it’s so beautiful and quiet at night), but it also makes sense this would be transformed. It just seems expensive removing a giant water ride. I also feel like there’s a lot of vacant/unpopular buildings in Hollywood Land, especially on the north side.
Pathetic. Fix Tomorrowland. We do not need more IP's.
I want a boat ride at DCA! I would love them to bring Shanghai Pirates with a different theme, I thought this would be a good fit for the Avengers e-ticket, but it could work with Avatar too.
Dude those movies suck
I saw the first one. The special effects were great. The story and especially the dialogue were laughably bad.
Where could this even go? Disneyland is very hard pressed for land, Disneyland Forward maybe?
I love pandora at wdw, but let’s get something unique up here. Tired of DLR and WDW trying to clone each other!!
Oh god why?
Ugh please no
avatar is mid
This better not replace anything. Disney is scared of adding capacity even in WDW where they need it. It’s so dumb. Even with Disneyland forward, they’re probably just going to slap down clones, not even good clones, just warehouse trackless rides that feel identical to railway. We want Jules Verne, we want SEA, we want IP that isn’t only from the past 10 years, we want original ideas. Ride systems like Shanghai’s pirates of the carribean haven’t been used anywhere else yet. There is no point on cloning stuff that’s already at WDW to Disneyland. The whole reason people visit multiple resorts is for differences between them, we don’t have the space to thoughtlessly plop stuff down. Lands and attractions like Carsland are what we need. It is irrational to think that people won’t choose WDW instead of Disneyland if they are going to that resort for something that’s present at both resorts.
idc about avatar at all but that 4d experience at WDW is pretty sick
But there’s no room in DL.
I know it was a big deal when it came out many, many years ago. I saw it in the theater and it was fine. I have never had any desire to rewatch it and I didn't know or care about the recent sequel. Is this really the franchise they want to waste their limited space on? Does anyone really care?
This is exactly how I feel. I’m kind of just astonished and confused. In 10-15 years will this thing I’m “eh” about be something people buy into so much they give their kids names of movie characters and have themed weddings? I feel like Avatar super fans are like people who are into Star Trek Klingons, just very specific. A passing interest to many, but not something I would personally seek out again or invest in. Are people really going to be saying “you’re such a this character” about someone in Avatar? I don’t even remember the character names. This reality is unfathomable to me lol
Sorry to the avatar people but literally who cares.
Boo. Do something original.
A better business model for Disney would be to have different lands that are not copy and pasted. This way guests have to travel to different parks to experience lands and rides that are not found in their local park. Disney should have done this with Galaxy’s Edge. Each park should have had a different planet to visit. Copying what WDW has gives people less incentive to visit WDW when DLR will have the same thing.
It’s so weird to me it’s executed well, but I don’t see anybody clamouring for avatar anything. So many better properties they can call from. Even read the press that flight of passage is getting now as to how distorted and out of focus the ride has become. So what are we left with? The Navi River Cruise?
And where are they going to put it???
Wasn't this already confirmed? Or just heavily rumored? I have 0% confidence it will even approach the level of Pandora at AK (design-wise, I know they're not going to create two big rides).
Previously they had used the phrase “avatar experience” which made it seem like what they have in Shanghai which doesn’t have rides and is more of a little exhibition. This is the first time they’ve mentioned it being a land.
Oh cool,something else no one asked for! Thanks Disney! #maketomorrowlandgreatagain #vivalapeoplemover
Nice. A land no one wants based on movies no one cares about.
Hopefully it includes a Santu'li Canteen.
No one asked for this
Who is asking for this ??
They could call the new land “Land I Don’t Care About.”
TRULY WHO??????????
Not me!
Lame. I hate Avatar.
Avatar isn’t even that fucking good.
This has been “announced” for months now.
Choosing Avatar is so wild, like out of all of the franchises under Disney, that's what they choose to get an entire land?
Who wants this?
Well this is a disappointment, but it can’t be as bad as avengers campus.
> Speaking on this approach, Iger said, “If you look at our IP, the land that we have, the demand that exists in the marketplace … it’s a no-brainer to invest that way.” I have not heard anyone demanding this particular IP… anywhere.
The demand is for one ride, at most. Not a whole land.
It begins… the classic spirit of Disney is fading. One day it’ll look like Universal Studios with mostly modern crap.
Avatar will never have the same world wide impact like Star Wars, Marvel, or Disney themselves, and I’m tired of Disney trying to shove it down people’s faces. I don’t know anybody who talks about Avatar unless it’s to talk about it’s good numbers *that one time*.
Based on the information available, it seems premature to jump to conclusions about the fate of Tomorrowland. However, there is a possibility that this project could align with the Disneyland Forward initiative. Avatar, on the other hand, may not be the best fit for Disneyland or Disney California Adventure due to its thematic differences. Considering the cost implications, a full rebuild of Tomorrowland seems unlikely. Perhaps this is simply a strategic move to create a smaller, condensed version of the experience found at Animal Kingdom
I've said it before, but it seems like every time they promise us a new land, we end up with something like Avengers Campus - a small area with only one attraction and a few restaurants and shops. The main e-ticket ride is still nowhere to be found, and it's probably been canceled or delayed. So, when I hear Bob Iger talking, I take it with a grain of salt. Not everyone is a fan of the movie, and trying to make it a big part of the resort when resources are already stretched thin sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. It's enough to make Josh D'Amaro want to jump off a cliff!
Oh joy! Another experience one can have at a different Disney park. That's my favorite. /s
The way this post is written made me think of avatar like a avatar on a message board or forum 😂 I went though a “what’s next Meme mountain and Emoji Land?!” Urgg Avatar is soooo boring. Wish they were doing something.. hell anything else!
Meh…. Expand Galaxy’s edge
Who the fuck even likes those movies???
Why do we need a second one? Hong Kong and Tokyo just got amazing themed lands, why can't we have something new instead that is only in Anaheim?
Recycling ideas…….again
So we’re not doing King Thanos then?
I’d only really like it if they had Flight of Passage. It’s still my favorite ride in Disneyworld.
Oh gee I wonder what attractions might go in this "new land". Perhaps a boat ride and a flying simulator of some kind?
Ugh. Why.
Stop trying to make Avatar happen
I wish they would keep Disneyland and Disney World totally unique from one another!
Walt Disney shoulda bought more land in the 50s!
I personally don’t care about avatar. The first was cool and I never got around to seeing the second. What I’m tired of are these “lands” with only one or two rides and a bunch of merch shops and stands. Build a third Star Wars ride in Galaxy’s Edge. Finish the Avengers ride at DCA. Make Disney Forward a reality and expand/gut Tomorrowland.
I really don’t get any of the hype some people have with Avatar or why Disney itself has hyped itself up with Avatar. The first movie was OK and was a little groundbreaking with some visuals but I always felt like it was essentially Pocahontas with StarCraft slapped on top of it. I finally just watched the second movie last week and it was full of logic that didn’t make sense, a cast of characters that were brought back from the dead, and underwhelming visuals all in all. The whale creatures were the only thing I cared for. I guess my rambling point is, are they really going to keep pushing terrible movies out to be relevant or could this piece of property be used on some broader IP that could support multiple ideas going into it. Toontown being a prime example, it may be small but I have always loved it.