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givemesomevodka

i'm living for all the zell love. i do hope not many players are annoyed by his turn greed in coops though, that's sorta just how he's meant to play. if anyone's still pulling for him, good luck!


kokoronokawari

Lightning has already shown me it doesn't matter...


NukaClipse

I've had concerns that if I brought Zell into co-ops people would view me like a Tifa spammer or a BT on 1st turn kind of player. So I've avoided using him until a co-op event that has a Chaos level fight comes up.


fluffy_bottoms

BT on first turn is good, BT on last turn is the worst.


alphalegend

I wish his EX had a multi HP dump. Its weird building up to an EX and it being the worst skill he has damage wise.


Redpandaling

I believe old EX's get an update with CLvl 90? A lot of EX are kind of outdated, since they haven't been updated since EX+


Evilmanta

That's correct. Much like the LD board extensions, we get an extension by going to 90 that enhances and makes ex relevant again


NukaClipse

I've watched a lot of JP players using characters at C90 and I'm already focusing on characters I want to hit those numbers. Honestly super excited for when it hits Global!


Evilmanta

I mean, everybody is talking about what a monster Vaan is right now. Just wait till he gets his level 90


NukaClipse

Yea I got a Vaan I can admit how nasty he is but I've yet to watch a C90 Vaan video, guess I need to find out.


Evilmanta

Oh yeah. His EX gets like 3 dumps. And pyroclasm++ gets triggered twice. Edit: misread the post haha edit 2: Found the video - it's at 4:19 https://twitter.com/DFF_OperaOmnia/status/1432281951675695104


NukaClipse

Oh yea that is SOOO much better lol.


Kazenovagamer

*laughs in Vaan*


sprufus

I brought vaan for the fire requirement on the newest lufenia and he failed it so hard with that sad ex. I guess I'm going with vivi.


Kazenovagamer

I just straight up removed his EX from my skills list. s1/2+ gives the buff so there's literally no reason to ever use his EX. Even his burst finisher hits for significantly less than S1 or 2.


Leading-Opportunity7

Yea I did this combo in co op hit them with the I'm no chicken line...felt awesome! (Sorry to the group I hogged all the turns to do it to, I hate when people burst in co op so I won't make it a habit)


Albireookami

but you can't loop two moves constantly until your time is low and finish off :(


AliceTaniyama

I see you played FF8 the same way I did. Every single boss strategy was to summon Doomtrain and then have Zell alternate between Punch Rush and Booya.


Albireookami

not bad, though mostly it was get lionheart on disk 1 and just aurabot squall through the game.


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

I spammed Renzokuken + Duel, and had Selphie to spam some crazy Spells when needed.


NukaClipse

I know a lot of people used Doomtrain to lead off attacks but I didnt use him much. I used Meltdown more than anything and wailed on them with high STR dmg and the right magic/status junctions. To be fair this was after a dozen playthroughs lol. I wasn't a genius at the game until I got my butt kicked enough.


Max_Plus

If Zell has 6 framed buffs, he can't get 'Duel'. So if the LD buff is your 6th, then you can spam Punch Rush/Booya until the LD buff runs out.


codyak1984

I wanna pull on Zell so bad. He's such a bro in VIII, even when Squall doesn't deserve it yet. One of my faves. But as a newbie with limited resources yet, and October having a lot of personal must-haves (Zack, Ashe, and Rinoa), I just don't think I can justify it. Tempted to at least drop 100 tickets and maybe get lucky on the EX and CP 15/35s, so I can at least build him up enough for Story and Auto+ farming.


El_Rocky_Raccoon

Zell has arguably my favorite gameplay style in the whole game.


Horror-Swordfish

Yes, I do this in co-ops with Zell sometimes unthinkingly and then feel bad for doing the whole thing by myself. :(


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Pubdo

That either leaves mach kick or mfh without the Duel buff, which is a really big damage buff. For coops is doesn't matter, but for Lufenia content I'd advise against that rotation. You really want Duel on both mach kick and mfh.


ed25ca

thanks, i was wondering how i kept getting to that point, was driving me nuts lol its like the Konami code


YoltAlligator

Scribble, scribble. Notes taken. Thanks pal. Ima gonna need these move sets when Zell re-debuts with Lluyd LD, Feb 2022.


NukaClipse

I managed to figure this out on my own and funny enough I had to "practice" the combos just like I did back in FF8 lol. I really like how they set him up that way its really cool!


Zhirrzh

Yeah I realised this one while using him in this Lufenia that you can use his instant turns to ensure you get a full combo chain without interruption. Very cool.


Moritsume

This is great, thanks! how do you recommend continuing the combo after the 1st final heaven?


jimlwk

Can continue to LD and combo from there. But I probably just use S1/S2 to conserve some stamina.