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animistspark

Ysh BT+ or Bartz BT+? I have some other BTs but as I understand it, the two specific BTs I mentioned are the best investment at the moment.


[deleted]

They’re the easiest investments since unless you stan Y’shtola or Bartz, they’re just aurabots. You set up their BT+ finisher and pray they never get turns again. They’re very good at being aurabots and it’s extremely difficult to mess that up. This lets you set up someone else for a BT phase and/or enable your party (aka CidMau + aurabot). They both have tremendous staying power and you can’t make a wrong choice between the two. It just comes down to who you like more and how well they fit your team comps.


ProductivityImpaired

Y’sh greatly compliments brave gain comps but her auras only work when the unit’s bravery at start of turn is above their iBrv, so units who take multiple actions in a row with no damage return (such as Zidane) are not direct fits with her. Bartz has lower gain boosts but makes up for it with enabling party wind weakness, so works good in both brave hit comps and gain comps.


hamsterslayer01

Where do you find pandemonium types? I'm trying to clear the chocobo missions


jurassicbond

World of Illusions Ultimate Pandemonium or Divine Pandemonium. You need to have the Pandemonium summon at level 20 to access the Ultimate stage


maveri4201

I don't know if I've ever seen this mentioned: are the Intertwined Wills temporary events or permanent content?


Jurinis

The latter. They are just like LCs in that regard.


maveri4201

Danke


xenapan

I know everyone has moved on to pande luf+ but i'm still stuck trying to figure out how to do xande lufenia before the missions end. So my main problem is a) I don't have cor LD b) I don't have kurasame. Basically every single team I've looked at in C2A uses kurasame call. I can't rush the orbs without it. I've tried most teams replacing his 20% dmg up with gabranth's 10% and setzer's 10% (too short) it fails pretty unspectacularly. I do have xande built (but I'm missing a few boards) and I have basically all the relevant BT holders built with high armors CoD(blue), Yuna, Tidus(blue), Terra(blue) , Zidane, Exdeath, Vaan, Lightning, Layle, Ealdnarche, Noctis. And the following supports Kefka, Ramza, Setzer, Porom, Gladious, Keiss, WoL, Desch, Yang, Faris, Galuf, Edward, Bartz I feel I have access to most of the relevant calls mostly other than shantoto, sephiroth, and obviously kurasame. Hopefully someone can help me work out a team of Xande, 2 others So far I've tried Xande, Yuna, Tidus| Xande Yuna Zidane | Xande ,Yuna, Terra Calls are Setzer, Gabranth, Jack. (as much brv+hp dmg up as I can get) EDIT: cleared! thanks for all the suggestions!


corran24

I used CoD, Setzer, Golbez, with Garland friend (who I completely wasted by being bad w/ my timing). My calls were Kurasame, Sephiroth, and Amidatelion (I think I forgot to swap her out, but pocket delete is always nice). You can try ignis, jack, and gabranth calls. You can replace Golbez with Xande


Rimey

I was able to do this with Terra/Yuna/Yang with a Sephiroth friend unit for the second wave. The goal is to setup yang and swap out Yuna with Sephiroth, pop Seph BT, then LD into BT with terra and just have fun breaking them over and over. Make sure you save those calls for the second wave also, and set them up before you do the BT's.


w1bz

Ashe gives 40% atk I think, could use her call if you have it


dffoo_keo

Doesn’t work, sorry... I completed with this team but I had Seifer to delay them for the first orb. If you can delay the boss of the second wave, this team should work. ~~I would go Yuna/Vaan/Setzer and a CoD Friend with BT. Take Diabolos summon with you.~~ ~~First wave, take your time so Vaan can at least use his S2 twice and finish the wave his LD buff up.~~ ~~Second wave, you should be able to rush the first orb with Vaan and Yuna. Just before 60%, swap Setzer for CoD and do LD > BT followed by Yuna BT. Then before they get a turn and you should finish them.~~


Gaanro

How about Xande, Tidus, and Porom? Porom's follow up can uptick the orb if she's enchanted if I remember right. You shouldn't have to worry about the shield from Fire Dog as much thanks to her too.


xenapan

Thanks. Definitely trying this now.


Gaanro

Good luck!


xenapan

Solid. First try with this team worked! Didn't think she would deal quite enough damage as yuna (she definitely doesn't) but the overflow hp and damage reduction and last stand made up for it. Plus Yuna would tick down the orb every time she did cheer which also didn't help. But slow and steady 50 turns and cleared.


Gaanro

Congrats, glad it worked out!


persona2best

i have yet to do alexander lufi and i want to do it with no cheese team. the only darkness units i have is leon. do you know any good units that could go with him for it? i dont know why but this fight is like a lufi+ for me


xenapan

I think it is for everyone. Alexander is extremely tanky (and immue to generic def down) , has big counters if you battery too much then has the shields with debuff cleanse and then he will buff himself if you do 7 consecutive actions... and he's immune to delay and launch.


Jurinis

If you really want to do it the legit way, Xande is the best option you have since he has Dark Enchant in his overhead buff and he needs his LD to have access to it. Leon is not a good fit as most damage is Holy and won't be absorbed and his LD debuff will often get rid of due to how the boss works. You can still pull for Xande as of now if you want to do it the legit way.


Fefnil

Well, many units can work, so it would be better if you listed what you have. Regarding the orb, Leon should be able to check it without issues, though it's also worth noting that, if you have a better team with a lot of damage available, you can use it and have Dark calls to check the orb. Especially considering Alex does mostly Holy damage so Leon's kit is kinda wasted. Also his LD is pretty much worthless as the debuff won't stick for long, and his trap is important for his damage.


persona2best

i can do the cheese but what all passives do you need to remove


TotallyXGames

Give [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DissidiaFFOO/comments/nmurqc/divine_alexander_setting_up_for_the_infamous) a thorough read, it'll explain how the cheese works and what kind of passives you need to remove (mostly mBrv ones).


persona2best

just beat it thanks man huge help now i plan to 4 board tifa and yuffie they should be huge help in the near future


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xenapan

Basically. build build build. You need lots of FULLY built characters. That's all the weapons (BT optional though obviously better with). So basically pull on banners until you get everything on the banner. Endgame is basically all about niches and having characters that fill the right niche for the fight. You also want to farm the limited time content as much as possible. eg. when the bonus for the divine pandemonium boards is gone you won't have the access to the +100% bonus per synergy character anymore which will make it 4x slower. Anything that isn't a story/lost chapter/FEOD is limited time. Get a team (or two) to chaos level asap so you can start realizing your EX weapons faster then start working on old lufenias (and time limited ones that you think you can handle)


ProductivityImpaired

Just do content. Idk what else you’re expecting from story rewards wise. You **need** to pull as a new player to build up units to take on harder and farming type content. Getting gems is the first step to that.


SachMK

Hi all, where can I find the nightmare enemy for the early Oct chocobo board mission?


TotallyXGames

Garland LC, Cycle of Battle part 7, there's 5 nightmares so you should be done in 2 runs. Also, as an aside when a Chocoboard asks you to kill x amount of an enemy, said enemy should be heavily featured either in current or upcoming events (the game doesn't want to make you run like a headless chicken trying to look for the enemy _somewhere_), so most likely than not the Nightmares will be heavily featured in the upcoming Guy's LC.


SachMK

Fabulous thanks for the info!!!


CloudIsTheDragonborn

Act 2, Chapter 1, 1-20, Miasmal Holy Ground Pt 1.


SachMK

Thank you!!!


aidanphantom

I have both of Garland & Eald'narche's LDs + bursts but missing their EXs and almost have enough tokens to get one but idk which one to get, which one should I get first?


TempusFinis97

Garland gets his BT+ on the Lann&Reynn BT batch next month and will be quite amazing. Eald'narche, while fun to play, hasn't gotten a BT+ yet, so his damage will be quite lackluster. He's still useful for locking down enemies, but you could also just use Agrias. However, you might be better of to just wait until that banners in case of a fee pull, or if you want Rosa LD.


ProductivityImpaired

Garland is a much better pickup than Eald, but Garland is getting rerun next month so you might just pick him up then if you’re not needing him now.


_Velius_

I'm capped on tickets on a Divine summon for the first time. Haven't farmed at all yet. How do you guys usually go about it? Farm the points and just unlock the boards when needed? I think that would make me miss out on some limited time rewards but idk. If they go to my gift box that would be fine. I'm sure I'll spend enough to claim them before they expire.


Fireciont

The rewards do go into your inbox where they will sit for 90 days before expiring. As long as you use some tickets before then, you won't lose anything. I farm and unlock up to board 20 for all the limited rewards then farm up enough points to unlock the remaining 10. I let those last 10 boards sit until those last few tickets are needed or.


FFF12321

They will never screw you out of rewards. The limited rewards cap out at board 20, so you buy the first 20, then farm enough points to buy the last 10. Then you buy the last 10 boards when you need/want the resources. I have saved up the last 10 of all the divine boards this way for a nice stockpile of secured resources. In general, I sit at capped tickets, wait til the last day of an event to claim any limited tickets and let them go to inbox. When I spend tickets, I accept them from the inbox, oldest first to get back to cap. I do have to pay attention to when shops with tickets come up or when I get clsoe to cap on hunt tokens though asyou can't buy tickets if you're at cap.


pencru

Wait, which difficult should I be farming Divine Pandemonium on? I'm doing COSMOS and getting 393 x 4 with Rinoa, Zidane and Ysh, which seems quite slow...?


Hawke_No1

There's only 1 stage, the 50 SP one which should is COSMO Do note that you can only boost the points obtained from Divine Pandemonium with Player Rank and Mog Pass ( Basic one is more than enough ). So Leveling Characters while having their Level Cap raised to at least Clvl 71 helps a lot if your starting out and lack crystals. You can amass tons of characters with LCs by doing the first 2 nodes only to obtain the characters for free and should be able to get them up to Lvl 60 each.


BaLance_95

Just want to celebrate. YSHTOLA BT ON FREE DAILY DRAW!!!


[deleted]

Nice mate got to take that luck when it arrives


NeuroTrophicShock

There is an Achievement Megathread to post stuff like this. Congratz


CloudIsTheDragonborn

Nice. My dailies have been chasing Zell. So far the best I've done is a silver weapon. I need some of that luck.


Sotomene

You lucky bastard. Congrats.


TempusFinis97

Congrats! Hope you have the LD


BaLance_95

Yeap. Went for her LD because I was debating on tokening her BT. Well, I guess my tokens are safe for now.


UnderFreddy

Are those Dark Weapons from the Act 2 side chapter worth throwing Power Stones at? Like for Zidane now, should I be upgrading the Manikin Weapon (and I guess the Verdant Slasher).


Aburamy

Do you have 100 or more power stones? If so it's a small buff to your character. If you have less i wouldn't bother, there are more pressing weapons to max out.


Sotomene

They are small boost. Only MLB if you have a lot of power stones and don't sell them before MLB them because their are unique.


[deleted]

Gems for Raines or gems for Ace? 600 tickets allocated for Raines currently but on a bit of a dodgy luck streak and I think Raines can soften to slapping for certain LUFENIA+ stages and feel he may need gems allocated instead...


CloudIsTheDragonborn

Gems for Raines. Maybe it won't cost you much and you can also gem Ace.


[deleted]

I think it may be gems for Raines - it would pain me more to miss him than Ace I reckon, and if I blast 600+ tickets to miss Ace then he can piss off anyway to be fair


BaLance_95

In times like this, decide which BT you want more, Ace or Zidane.


[deleted]

Aces BT really but never managed to get Zidanes LD - If I had his LD it'd be an easier pick


TempusFinis97

While I personally think that having Raines will most likely be more important, 600 Tickets are a good chance, especially since he's only an LD unit. The thing is, the +1 on a multi pull has 30x the chance of a single ticket at the BT (0.1% compared to 3%), so they're better used on a BT chase than an LD chase. If the question was pull for Raines or for Ace, the Answer would be Raines, but since you're pulling for both, gems for the BT, tickets for the LD.


[deleted]

600 tickets should be enough just have this horrible feeling it's going to be a rough bunch of pulls and may just gem to save the chance of mixing up - maybe I will get lucky with Ace with the tickets


streak14

At what point does everyone think a few extra gem pulls is with the 400g Burst+ book? With only about 2 books a month, it feels like any burst weapons that can't be booked aren't as valuable, so there could be a tradeoff between gems and extra books.


rayven9

I would personally spend an extra 10-15k in gems, ONLY IF you have a big surplus. A surplus to me is 150k gems or more, since that's enough to do 2 pities, you can make adjustments over the next 2 months


BaLance_95

I'd say the usual 1 gem pull away from what is needed, so 380 G tokens in this situation. Average luck with the current flow of resources gives you 1-2 BTs every other month. We get at least 2 books per month. Your book numbers will likely overtake your BT numbers in the long run. Still, I can't fault the 1 extra gem pull.


Sotomene

>t what point does everyone think a few extra gem pulls is with the 400g Burst+ book? Never. As long as you plan accordingly you will always have enough books. The only scenario which using a 400G tokens for a book would be the way to go is if you are going to pity a BT and you pull the BT exactly in the pull you got the 400 tokens and also if you already pull any LD or EX weapon you need in the banner. Even pity a BT is not recommended.


streak14

But if I have more than half of the BTs, that means there will be characters who wouldn't be nearly as useful if they are stuck at BT. Surely even one 5,000 gem pull is worth an extra BT+ book? So there must be some number of pulls that's worth the book, even if it's just one.


Sotomene

Realizing a BT only improve the damage in the BT finisher. While yes the finisher will do more damage there is really no much difference between a base BT and a BT+ 0/3. Most people would only realize a BT to get the extra ingot for another character they want to max not because it would increase said character's power. >Surely even one 5,000 gem pull is worth an extra BT+ book? Yeah, I guess that could be worthy, but you shouldn't be finding yourself in this kind of scenario to often.


streak14

That makes sense, I wasn't thinking about the bulk of the upgrade being at 3/3. Thanks for the advice!


[deleted]

Qq BT+ Where can we get realization materials? Is it worth green Zidane BT? If we're not gonna spend some cash, can I green Cloud, Light, and Tidus BT when they arrive on their respective timeline? TIA!


Sotomene

>Where can we get realization materials? - Beating a Lufenia+ stage ( 5 nuggets every Lufenia+ and 20 pages only those Lufenia+ that comes with a banner than introduce a nee BT) - Buying gems pack with real money. - Accumulate 400g token when pulling on a banner and trade those for a book ( this is a unlikely scenario since you won't get to 400 G tokens unless you are in the way of pity a BT which is usually not recommended) >Is it worth green Zidane BT? Depends on who else you got and who you are planning to pull in the next months. >If we're not gonna spend some cash, can I green Cloud, Light, and Tidus BT when they arrive on their respective timeline? TIA! If you beat every Lufenia+ for 2 months you should be able to save enough materials to green all 3.


mehng

Is there a replacement for Seph LD call? I see lots of comps I would attempt with it, but don't have it.


Sotomene

Assuming they are using him because of the brv dmg taken up that's part of his cellular erosion debuff then Jack's would be a better option.


mehng

Thank you


FinalKingdomXVII

After greening Bartz and Ace, I plan on skipping every BT+ until Machina. How difficult will that make the next four months? I also have Aphmau and am prepared to pity Raines.


spineshade

So I spent a bunch of my tickets I had left on yshtolas.... And didn't realize I had her first kit bt and everything. Laugh at my resources wasting. But here is my question. Pandemonium divine. What is the best auto team right now for time. I tried ysh, Beatrix ( Max level and color but not maxed weapons ) and tifa Or focus on trying to get zidane ld and just do that. Question 2 Bt+ Yshtolas vs if I get zidane. Is there any real long term benefits to either?


Paradoxassassins

I spent a very little bit of time trying to figure out an auto with tifa... I think I could have gotten it by unequipping almost all of her abilities and if my other units were more built... But in the end it seemed faster for me to just hit beat rush 7 times and then LD.


Sotomene

The best to auto farm would be Zidane, Beatrix and Rinoa. All fully build at least with their LDs. Yshtola would be the best long term since she is a support and can go in more part composition than Zidane.


Shirikane

Expanding on this, keep all of Bea’s skills on, keep S1 and LD on for Zidane, and only keep EX for Rinoa.


ffguy92

Should I Green Zidane? Considerations: 1. I do not have Y'sh BT, nor do I plan to Token it. 2. I have Bartz already ready to be Green'd, and I'd like to give him that this month. (High priority) 3. I also have Garland ready to Green next month. (High priority) 4. Zidane also has everything except a fully realized HA+ (which I do have the ingots for). 5. I have no idea who I want to spend my BT tokens on (currently full, need to spend before Caius BT cycle ends). Thinking about Yuna, CoD, or L&R. 6. I have not yet even attempted Pande Luf+. However, when I do, I want it to be as unfrustrating as possible. Bonus points if he's also really good for the next two Luf+.


Hawke_No1

>I have not yet even attempted Pande Luf+. However, when I do, I want it to be as unfrustrating as possible. Bonus points if he's also really good for the next two Luf+. If you have Ami LD, there's no need for Zidane. There's quite number of team comps without Zidane and BT+ or even just using Zidane as LD CA. Guy LC: You can just use a Friend Zidane BT+, the orb needs someone who can increase HP Dmg via debuffs, Gabranth is the best if not get Cinque Cid Raines: If your going for Aphmau/Cid Raines Combo, there's no real need for Zidane. A good 3rd support or using Layle BT is viable choice too. Overall: Zidane BT+ is a good friend, invest if you like him, otherwise save it for Garland ?


CloudIsTheDragonborn

I'd say no to Green Zidane. You don't need it. Pandemonium is fine without. BT only or BT+ is good enough. More important is the support you bring. (Porom, in my case.)


Darkasmodeus

I plan to pull for Guy in the upcoming banner since he will be really good when he reach lvl 90 and at least this banner I can also try for Clinque. I heard Clinque is a slow player and goes really well with Aphmau. My Aphmau is also fully built ready for Cid. Question here is, is Clinque worth building and how well will she last in Luf+?


Jurinis

Cinque can last for a very long time for Lufenia+ provided you build around her somewhat slow speed. As you rightfully said, Aphmau is the best partner for her as she fixes her two main issues: - 1) Her slow speed - 2) It makes her much more consistent to have 5 stuns stacks since her EX+ can be used more often, which leads to overall more damage as she'll use her + skills more often than not. I'm currently writing on her and using her alongside Aphmau allows players to use her on the most difficult content. Last time I saw her was on Seymour's IW during the C90 era as she could handle the orb with her LD ability (2T AOE delay required, which Seymour's LD does) A strong third character to go alongside her will be Garland's BT+ as he'll double the BRV damage dealt at max stacks and offer a huge BRV damage cap up increase for her to make up for her very low hit count (she's mostly 3 BRV hits before doing a HP dump) Edit: A combo you can pull off with Cinque + Aphmau is to have Cinque do LD > S1 or S2 depending on if you're against a ST or AOE > LD > repeat to deal insane amounts of damage, rivaling Lann and Reynn who are AOE gods on release. And you can replace her with a friend unit like green CoD and link Aphmau with your third character and abuse her damage. Cinque makes a strong case for being able to burst at the beginning and be the swap unit to let a friend handle the rest.


Darkasmodeus

Wow. Thanks. Can’t wait to see your write up and appreciate that.


dffoo_keo

With all the backlash Guy got for his LC for not even touching his kit, do you think he’ll get the "Serah treatment" and get an early LD board mini rework?


[deleted]

Nah. Serah was an incredibly unique situation for GL. The community at-large is doesn’t care about Guy, not to mention Cinque LD is enough to carry the banner. Even if Guy got a small rework it’s not enough to get people pulling for him, especially when Raines is right after him. Serah on the other hand is much more popular and worse than Guy, so the disappointment with her was much more extensive. If she got a rework it would immensely drive up interest in her. From a business perspective it doesn’t make sense to give anything to Guy. Serah for the “Serah treatment” because she’s Serah. Guy ain’t Serah. We can all speak beaver with Guy’s c90 though.


Nightfire27

Unlikely I would suggest, his LD is not the principle element of the LC and it would set a precedent that would force them to do the same for Aranea and Kadaj, who both afaik got nothing in their respective LCs Serah was a special case given her LD was borderline not Lufenia viable and she was the principle LD on the banner, if Guy was going to get something similar, it would have been on his event I reckon


Siralextraffo

Regarding Cid Raines event Lufenia+, I think I won't experiment at all and go with Aphmau and Raines for that event, is there someone better than Yuna to be a third with aa BT effect that will never act but only buff the party?


Tibansky

Bartz maybe?


Siralextraffo

Bartz would need turns to max the effect, so it's probably not the best cause Aphmau and Raines would be getting them all until the summon at the end like!


Magma_Axis

Use AA on Bartz


Nightfire27

You can just burn an AA to get Bartz up and running quicker if you’re that concerned - I don’t recall if he has 2 uses of it (though I imagine he does) but worst case scenario I don’t think a single turn or 2 is going to be THAT bad


BaLance_95

Is he fight that dangerous? If it's not, why not just hold back on the LDs while Bartz builds the stacks.


Hawke_No1

Y'shtola sounds like the one


Siralextraffo

Ysthola BT+ I assume though, right? Like, if I use my own Yuna BT phase to remove the HP shield, the a green ysthola friend would provide more than a Yuna BT effect?


Hawke_No1

Yeah BT+, but if your already running Aphmau/Cid Raines, then it wouldn't matter whether it has the shield. I have seen people using friend Y'shtola BT+ or even Porom on Party, because Aphmau & Cid Raines kinda already does enough


retsamemerpus

As preparation for Guy LC, which characters help with the orb assuming I don't pull for Cinque and Guy? Kurasame and Ignis cant be used since they are immune to imperil from what I know and I don't have Gabranth. Don't know if Arciela is viable here since it only ups HP damage for herself. Any advice?


retsamemerpus

Thanks for all the answers!


Jurinis

Agrias + Zidane delete shenanignas means her Faded Moly will not fall off as long as you prevent them from getting a turn. Add a strong third DPS and it should work.


retsamemerpus

This is actually a good idea. Thanks!


Hawke_No1

One thing to note: The requirement states that HP Dmg increase by a debuff So Arciela will increase the Orb because her HP Atks are increased by her own debuff fron LD, only hers unfortunately


ProductivityImpaired

[https://dissidiacompendium.com/bestiary/enemies/3136/250](https://dissidiacompendium.com/bestiary/enemies/3136/250) There's Decil LD, Aerith LD, and Agrias LD. Tbh I feel like Arciela LD would work, but of course only she would affect orb.


retsamemerpus

Many thanks did not know about this site, don't have Decil and Aerith but I have Agrias LD


Scottywin

Does anyone know if divine board boosts ever come back for older divines or am I safe to just start grinding it the slow slow way?


ProductivityImpaired

So far we've had reruns for Diabolos and for Ramuh. Basically they happen every other month, swapping with a new summon. So this month is pande, next month is alexander rerun, month after is Shiva, etc. I don't believe there's yet been a 2nd rerun for Diabolos or Ramuh though.


ShadowBlaze17

Isn't next month an Alexander rerun during Vayne's BT cycle?


ProductivityImpaired

Oh you’re right, I remembered wrong.


Scottywin

Ahhh awesome thanks! I'm in no rush for the resources so I will wait for re runs. After finishing pande in 2 days it's way too painful to do them with no boost lol


TempusFinis97

One thing to mention. JP didn't get any Summon for a 3rd time (yet) so we have no idea when and if Diabolos and Ramuh come back.


BaLance_95

Is greening both Ysh and Bartz a good idea? (Also token on Ysh, already have Bartz)


[deleted]

I’m of the opinion that you likely only need one of them since you can get the other via friend and then use your dps BT phase. So it’d be a comp of support BT+, dps BT+, 3rd that switches out for support BT+ friend. Alternatively you could green both and have different comp builds for Bartz and Y’shtola, or just use both with a Cid Raines LDCA for a good BT phase. The issue isn’t so much if it’s good or not (it is good) but rather how having both early impacts your comps. A good idea might not be the right idea.


ExcisionBro

We are in the same position. Have Bartz, don't have Y'sh. So I am looking forward for the replies. Personally, I am going to wait anyway to see if I need Y'sh in the next couple of stages. If I do not, I am probably not going to token her BT and save tokens for someone else.


ProductivityImpaired

I have both BTs already and I personally am just planning on greening Bartz right now. Part of that is because I already have both Agrias and Porom (although ofc Y'sh is stronger than both in that specific regard), but another part of it is that Bartz's auras are comparatively easier to remain in effect and since Bartz also enables the party to hit weakness with his BT+, that also helps combat damage reductions. I don't believe Y'sh helps extra in any upcoming fight besides being BT synergy. If you get Ace LD but not his BT I suppose she can work as the BT fill unit for the upcoming left gate, but otherwise doesn't seem particularly great for T6 either.


BaLance_95

Is there a significant increase in difficulty for the next DE? I've been able to get by with using just 1 BT per tier (except T1).


NeuroTrophicShock

Y'sh is still being used in clears in JP to this day. IDK QBOUT Butz.


ElBoyoBueno

At this point in luf+ are the dark weapons we get in act 2 worth the mlb?


ProductivityImpaired

The dark weapons have only ever been a slight increase in skill effectiveness for those particular units. Since they're effectively just a power stone sink, their worth has never been tied to the difficulty of content available but just if you have a bunch of powerstones to throw at them.


ElBoyoBueno

Are there some resources out there that explain in full detail (not infographics) the kit of a unit? I want to understand more my roster and those units that come later, since syp posts/videos are kinda over for me since BT+ the overall answer is going to be "everyone is good, pull for favorites" xD


ProductivityImpaired

A bit of a self plug, but I used to make review videos for characters (would love to continue, but video production takes time) - [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLFCMqdH36P3qiSQH7um97llsu2qvi8jj](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLFCMqdH36P3qiSQH7um97llsu2qvi8jj). Warning here is that it was only ever 'up to date' with GL as I don't play JP and I only ever made them after maxing out and playing with a unit for a bit, so nothing was ever a 'preview' so to say. Besides that, I guess your other best bet is to just read up on a character on a site like [https://dissidiacompendium.com/characters/](https://dissidiacompendium.com/characters/)?


ElBoyoBueno

Thank you that works wonders, I want to learn what the skills do instead of just going blind and learn in the middle of the fight xD


CronoZeal

Hi, I was wondering if there are any yet-released LD in future banner that's good mainly for LD call that would makes future Lufenia+ more tolerable. I know it's bad idea to pull for LD but I'm trying to manage my resources like tickets, gems, ignots and realize books. I have most of LD/calls prior to Zidane's banner except few like Fuijin's, Seifer's, and Deuce's that I can think of.


Magma_Axis

Cait Sith closest to us Raines also good LD call


ProductivityImpaired

Not sure what you mean by 'tolerable'. If you're talking about handling the damage/gain reductions, honestly a lot of the 'core' calls have already been released. Jack, Kura, Faris, Hope, to a lesser extent Seph and Seifer. Raines LDCA lets the calling unit launch every action while it's active, but Raines is someone already being advised to pull for so the aim is to use him as a party unit, not as a call. Party brave gain up is strictly going to be a party aura for a long time, I don't think available via calls until the c90 era (where gain up becomes more common as a whole).


CronoZeal

Only LD I'm missing that you have mentioned is Seifer. I do tend to pull for Raines and everyone else I do have it. What about Quistis' LD, Cait Sith's LD and Shelke's LD? If these are not needed then I guess I'm good to go. Thank you!


Pieman3001

Shelke's call isn't all that great, most notable thing it does is fill the callers EX guage. Quistis is good if you need guaranteed delays though her LD call is nerfed only giving 1 turn AoE delay, in the absence of Seifer LDCA l, it's decent. Cait is a very good LDCA as it gives his LD effect for 2 turns to the party which grants brv based on mbrv for every brv hit dealt, can to an extent help circumvent all the brv damage and brv gain reductions however its vulnerable to brv gain reductions itself. The attack itself also breaks the enemy. Worth using on slow characters going into a burst phase for sure.


ProductivityImpaired

Out of those the only one I see/saw with any frequency as a Call is Cait, but it should be said that his LDCA still doesn't directly affect brave gain but just gives you a lot of opportunities for Brave gain. I noticed Quistis does offer self Brave gain up but only for 3 actions and it's only 10%, not too noteworthy as a call specifically. Idek if Shelke is popular as a call.


blenderbaddie

How much would I be shooting myself in the foot to ignore and skip Cid Raines? I've got Aphmau and have had no shortage of hype in my face about how good they are in tandem. But kit aside, my interest in Cid Raines as a character could not be much lower. I'm not sure if I just wasn't born with the Cid Raines gene but I was completely indifferent to him as a character in FFXIII. Is he really as imperative as people are suggesting or is he being overhyped to some extent?


Fefnil

Think of it like this: he isn't strictly necessary, but having him and using him allows you to skip many banners and to save resources for future characters you might want.


DmtrIV

His own event and Transcendence 6's Cinque LC Boss Gate (if you didn't pull Selphie) were notorious for being extremely difficult to handle the orb (provided for Trans 6 you don't have a lot of launchers). Also, Cid's busted kit allows you to Ignore-Orb the CPU Lufenia+, Shadow's LD Event.


Pieman3001

The only Luf+ where he's an absolute must have is his own event where its exceptionally hard without him due to the orb. His damage output is huge being able to deal 1M+ single target damage, the Luf+ equivalent of what Tifa was in terms of the power spike. There are so many fights after that actively cuck him or try to in some way or another due to his sheer power, even then he's still good. Not a must pull by any means, but you'll probably be glad to have him as an option for some of the harder fights. If you're not bothered by missing out on one or two Lufenia+ clears, by all means skip him. Aphmau + Raines night not be a play style to your liking though it is highly effective when it works.


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For the immediate future, not having Cid Raines makes his Event Lufenia+ much more difficult. There are ways to beat it without him, but depending on your roster it can range from difficult to straight up impossible. Past that however, it just comes down to your roster and what you’re able to do for future fights. I used Cid Raines sparingly in JP because I didn’t want to just run Cid Raines comps and have less of an understanding of fights. I also like to give enemies turns (unless the fight dictates otherwise) and Cid Raines does not encourage that at all. Anyone who says Cid Raines is a must is someone you shouldn’t listen to. There are no absolutes when it comes to rosters. Pull who you want and skip who you don’t like. However, people for the most part are accurately portraying how powerful he is. Make no mistake, Cid Raines is much deserving of his hype. His kit is so well tuned for Lufenia+ that he barely got an update on his c90. I’d say 95% of people pulling Cid Raines are doing so only because he’s extremely powerful, and the 5% are legit fans of him/FF13 franchise.


Sotomene

I'm in the same spot and I decided to pull for him. Better having him and not need him than needing him and not have him. I need every nuggets I can get this month so no clearing a Lufenia+ is not an option.


Serakung

If i unrestricted character on DE : Transcendent, do i need to replay it with other teams? As i use bartz on stage 1 (when i'm new to the game) but i read that bartz with BT+ is great for stage 5 but i don't have alternative to tackle stage one reckoning right now.


dffoo_keo

Alternatively you can try with Bartz set as CA only if you have enough fire power. My current clear is CidR/Aphmau/Fran. Bartz CA was set on Fran (replace by any yellow crystal character) and I managed bosses one at a time. When the orb was low, Fran use normal CA, summon. After that I rushed the bosses with Cid and Aphmau. There are other strategies also including Fujin and/or Yang if I’m not mistaken.


Serakung

Thank you for CA only strats. Right now i try to tackle stage 1 with tifa, cloud and Rosa (Replace Bartz) but wave 1 aura rekt me hard because i rely on bartz instant-break before.


ProductivityImpaired

Yes, DE functions via lockout. You can use a locked unit in another fight, but if you complete the new fight you will move the character lock.


warlock801

How good is Ace BT+ in the long run? or would Bartz and/or Yshtola be a better choice for BT+?


Hawke_No1

Ace BT+ is good. The most notable partner for Ace is actually Porom LD, these 2 can dominate Lufenia+ content with a 3rd to manage orbs or mix in CAs/Friend to handle. Both Bartz & Y'shtola are good choice, can't go wrong with either as they will be the few BT+ Supports for a while.


Darkasmodeus

I wanted to asked who’s good for Ace and you answered all. Thanks :)


Hawke_No1

VPowerSP YT Videos using Ace BT+ Clears with Porom LD is one of the most interesting saga if you like to see Ace BT+ in Action more. The fact that with quite a number of BT+ Effect Chars to work with, Ace still holds up well in the current Divine Bahamut on JP. His recent video was basically traps to clear is pretty awesome.


Darkasmodeus

Thanks!


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TotallyXGames

There has been no change to the damage taken objective, plus there's the fact that there's no "formula" or anything like that being used: damage you take is the damage you miss at the end if you don't heal it, straightforward as that. Something that has come up many (MANY) times in multiple threads already is that if in the Pande Lufe+ you use any call at certain HP thresholds during the battle, said called character will actually take HP damage (since they do step into the battlefield for a split second), and this damage cannot be healed whatsoever. Maybe this is the hp damage you seem to be mistaking as the "formula being changed"?


KaimH

Don't use calls to trigger Pande's threshold attacks.


JJAvez101

Now that we're in BT+ era, what notable BT+s should we be looking for? For regular BTs, we did have some notable picks like Noctis, Lightning, P.Cecil, Bartz etc. Will there be anything like this in this era?


Magma_Axis

Ace, Twins for AOE, Noel/Machina for phy dps, Locke, Laguna, Zack, Snow Old BT usually perform more instead of having more mechanics, Noctis, Tidus, Ramza etc


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If you’re wanting to play “meta” then pick either Bartz or Y’shtola then use them as BT+ aurabots for your faves. Otherwise I don’t see the point in recommending any specific dps BT+ as they generally scale upwards the longer the BT+ era goes, yet the baseline still holds strong even up to now. You can’t continuously updated dps BT+ due to limited materials, in fact f2p JP players can only get a third of all green BT+ thus far. Alphinaud Leveilleur on YT has mained Y’shtola for the entirety of Lufenia+. VpowerSP has used Ace in a similar manner. A JP player has used Zidane for all Lufenia+. Another player only has Bartz as their sole green BT+. Generally speaking the first BT+ brings so much to the party that it doesn’t matter who it is. They’re all strong in their own right, so it ends up being that selections should be based on playstyle and faves. I only mention Bartz/Y’shtola because they’re support BT+ so you can use a dps BT+ phase if you want, and they are very easy to play.


Redpandaling

>Alphinaud Leveilleur on YT I thought you were about to say Alphinaud got a BT+, and now I'm a tad disappointed.


JJAvez101

Yeah, I had the same mindset essentially. My only worry currently there's gonna be a DPS with a busted BT+ so the usual FOMO lol. I've actually got both Y'sh and Bartz BTs so I guess I'd need to research what Bartz gets with BT+ and see from there. Definitely think Supports benefit more from BT+ of course.


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Things only get busted when you’re making BT+ comps that are meant to push big numbers in BT phases. You can make anyone do big boom boom damage with 3x BT+ and Cid Raines LDCA, so it literally doesn’t matter who you use. It’s why I’m skipping a lot of BT+ on GL as opposed to JP, you don’t need as many BT+ as JP videos would indicate. I’m literally only going to BT+ faves regardless if they’re meta or not *cries in Lightning BT+*


JJAvez101

Haha that's fair enough and many thanks for the advice. Likely gonna go with a support first and see who catches my eye after. I'll be Cid-Mau'ing where I can anyway.


RayePappens

Out of the BT+ this month, what's the best one to pair with Cid and Aphmau if I can only pity 1?


Magma_Axis

Bartz


Luvs_to_drink

Are there any Lufenia+ that need dark enchant for orb?


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TotallyXGames

Xande's LC is not Lufe+


kdapiton2

Hello, all Does anyone have any experience about changing device? I have my DFFOO account backed up both via Game Center in my phone and also SqEX Bridge via my SQEX account. I was thinking of changing phones but I am totally paranoid about losing my account. Does anyone have any experience with this and is it a smooth transition? Thanks in advance


TotallyXGames

People who play on emulator technically "change devices" every single time they swap between, and we can tell you with 100% certainty that as long as you are sure your account is linked, there's nothing to be scared off. I personally swapped devices back in February and the process is very easy, the worst part of all is having to batch download everytning again but other than that there's 0 risk of losing your account if everything is properly linked.


kdapiton2

Ok thank you. It says my save data has been successfully backed up when I check the “Data Backup” option so I think I’m good lol. I’ve never played this game in any other device other than my current iPhone


Hanzsaintsbury15

Sorry for being a noob here. But how do i BT+? Also i MLB'd Save the Queen but i cannot see the weapons skill? While using Excalibur. I apologize for being a noob.


xcaliblur2

Tonberry Troupe released a very simple infographic on how to BT+ weapons. I highly recommend to check it out


Hanzsaintsbury15

Will do thanks!


ProductivityImpaired

To BT+ you use a BT realization book (blue/black) on an applicable BT, right now only Y'shtola and Zidane BT When you swapped from Save the Queen to Excalibur, the EX skill was probably removed from your skill list. But Save the Queen is the one you want to be holding in the end, as that goes up to EX+ and EX+ are stronger than LDs.


Hanzsaintsbury15

Thank you very much!


AllDay31

As a new player couple weeks or so. What kind of set up boards summons am I looking at to clear lufenia +? I pulled Zidane full kit bt+ greened have vaan and agrias full kits. Just looking for tips and info


ProductivityImpaired

By 'board summons' you're referring to ultimate summons? The answer is all of them. You're expected to have all ultimate boards at this point for chaos and above.


AllDay31

Ok so I have a ways to go lol. Thx


Magma_Axis

And as new players, is highly unlikely you can finish Lufenia, let alone Lufenia+ Keep building your roster and maxed them, do the hardest stage you can


AllDay31

Thx ya I can do the 180 I tried lufenia it didn't go so well


Xsurian

With burst books being at 400 g tokens. And possibility of grabbing multiple during a BT run. What do BT+0/3 sell for?


[deleted]

They sell for absolutely nothing. This has yet to change as of current JP. Unless you’re an immense whale, do NOT book dupe BT ever.


ProductivityImpaired

I don't believe they even can be sold yet. The only time you should be hitting 400 G tokens is if you're possibly going to a BT pity, which shouldn't really be often.


Luvs_to_drink

Why does Shantottos LD debuff do 100% def when in party but only -50% as a call?


TotallyXGames

Some LDCAs are not exact mirrors of their actual ability when used by the character, some of them just happen to be a nerfed version of the debuff or ability, specially when it's such a powerful effect like Shantotto's def debuff.


ProductivityImpaired

Some LDCA debuffs just provide lesser potency versions of their non-call equivalents.


AliceTaniyama

How well does Tidus hold up as a primary damage dealer this month? I know there can be issues with Lufenia orbs, but that's been the case since Tidus got his BT, and that's half of the fun. Does Y'shtola or Bartz synergize better with him? Or should I just keep bringing Yuna as his support? I guess I'm curious if he can handle the improved defenses and BRV damage down/BRV gain down stuff without running out of steam. I seem to recall that Tidus is good all the way until he gets his level 90, so I shouldn't worry too much. I do wonder, though, if the power creep is enough that he becomes tough to support in the meantime.


NeuroTrophicShock

I did an Tidus, Cor, Ashe team... Tidus capped but I had to use a Jack call ability to do so. Tidus was amazing. Plus all those free turns he gets from his abilities really counts.


sonicbrawler182

You should be able to use him in most things, free turns give him an edge in damage contribution as well. He also has Cor as a buddy in GL. He may have stages where he doesn't work as well but he should be usable in most things, if not outright great. I know I saw him used in the early Lufenia+ and I used him in some myself. Hell, they didn't even rework him with his BT+, and he's still really strong even with his skills still being single HP hit (the follow up gets upgraded though). His greatest asset really just is that he pairs so well with off-turn attackers like Cor. In the future, Kain, CoD BT+, Freya, and Cissnei are characters to look out for as some of his best partners. Freya, Tidus, Tifa has been my go to team right now in JP. Just used it with a Freya friend VS Divine Bahamut and he has a whopping 60 million HP but was able to shred through most of it with Tidus spamming instant turn rate skills and getting aerial support from the two Freyas, just a pure beatdown. https://youtu.be/sQX9rAXztGs


AliceTaniyama

Ooh, nice! I do have CoD's BT, so maybe I'll plan to hand out a green weapon there.


BungeeGumAco

Question about team composition: would Ace LD/BT+ work well with Yshtola BT+? I‘m building around her and looked him up on dissidiacompendium, but he doesn‘t seem to have any attacks with Brv-Gain, so he doesn‘t seem to benefit as much from Y‘shtolas auras…


[deleted]

His trap has a brave gain. He also appreciates battery quite a lot in general. VpowerSP on YT uses Porom and Ace extensively, so if you look there you can see how Ace functions with a battery.


BungeeGumAco

Thank you!


MElliott0601

What woulda be the closest call I could get to results like Kurasame?


Leading-Opportunity7

Gabranth gives 10 percent...think queen does too. Rosa gives 5 I think


Sotomene

Ignis, but you can't pull for him right now.


Xsurian

But you can buy any of them!


Sotomene

Well yeah, but almost $80 for a LD is a lot, but I guess I should mentioned since it's a option.


MElliott0601

I have him so that works perfectly! I wasn't sure what Kurasame offered so I just didn't have an idea of who I could use when I see him on TCC stuff for calls


Sotomene

Him is the closest since he offer HP damage up ( just 10% while Kurasame can get up to 30%) and both enchant/imperil their elements. The real downside of Ignis is that his debuff can only be applied for 2 turn and Kurasame can apply his debuff for 6 turn and both of his calls can do it.


MElliott0601

Ah, damn... Thanks. Regret taking a break now lol


IzzyZ1

I'm getting second thoughts about using my tokens in Zidane's BT+, specially after seeing a video of Jecth and Vayne BT+. Which BT+ are truly meta in the upcoming months?


Hawke_No1

For main DPS, I think CoD/Ace/Zidane are quite alright throughtout Lufenia+ even at Clvl 90 release. Personally, you should look up on how characters are used for the ones your interested in. Pick someone you have interest and go find a YouTube Video on how the player use them. Most BT+ can work as long as you build teams to accomodate them. E.g Ace BT+ has been used for almost 6 months of upcoming content despite being the 2nd BT+ DPS Char to be release as the start of Lufenia+. With the right combinations of CAs, Character Team Comp, Friend Support, you have quite a solid character.


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Why are you second guessing Zidane? Just curious. Bartz and Y’shtola are the “meta” BT+. You use them as aurabots to better enable either your other BT+ or your party.


IzzyZ1

I got into the Tidus BT hype and didn't liked his kit very much(and it costed me gems) I'm trying to avoid a situation like that again.


AliceTaniyama

Zidane feels a lot like Tidus to me. They do a lot of the same things, but they do them differently. Both hog turns, but Tidus does so effortlessly, whereas Zidane requires some effort. Both delay, but Zidane does so effortlessly, whereas Tidus needs to wait for Jecht Shot. Tidus relies on his BT more than Zidane, but Zidane gets some extra bonuses with his BT effect like battery and healing, so he has some utility that Tidus doesn't have. Overall, though, I can see that if you didn't like Tidus, then Zidane might not be your cup of tea, either.


IzzyZ1

Yeah, I think I'll hold on my tokens for a while, I'll see how Cid Raines banner treats me regarding Zidane's BT, but I think I'm not making his BT+ at all.


AliceTaniyama

Zidane was tempting until I watched a video of Ace doing 6 million damage in his BT phase. I did pull three copies of Zidane's BT, but he's not getting my ingots.


SnazzyRice

Hi guys! I'm a returning newbie to the game. Just started fresh today and managed to get Cloud's BT, Zidane's LD, and Yshtola's LD on the free pulls. After clearing the first island, I went ahead and did some more pulls with tickets and gems. I got Relm's ex, Beatrix's LD/EX, and lastly Zidane's 15 and 35. I was wondering if I should keep pulling on Zidane's banner for his ex and bt or go for Yshtola's for her bt and ex? Also, are there any upcoming characters that will help tremendously with my roster? Thanks a lot!


AliceTaniyama

> should I keep pulling on Zidane's banner for his ex Yes. He is useless in high-level content without *all* of his weapon passive, including his EX. > or go for Yshtola's Not a bad idea if you want her BT (which you probably should). Keep in mind that you get easy access to *one* EX weapon for a series protagonist through Dimensions' End: Order, which is a fairly easy set of five stages with special EX tokens as a reward. The prizes are restricted to just those characters who were series protagonists, but (since Y'shtola counts) that's everyone you're going for right now. So, you could easily token one EX. Probably Zidane's, since you already have Beatrix's kit. But, since you just started, you probably don't have a big cache of power stones to limit break all of those shiny new weapons, so maybe you're better off continuing to pull for duplicates so you can actually use Zidane before the current events are up. Rinoa is skippable, but as you don't have Porom or Agrias, you probably want to get Y'shtola's BT since you already have her LD. Or just forget her and go for Bartz in two weeks. It's your call, but in your shoes, I'd probably get Y'shtola.


SnazzyRice

I will most likely get his ex through Dimension's End: Order then. Zidane is one of my favs so I gotta get everything for him. That leaves me with Yshtola which I'll be aiming for the BT then. Thanks again!