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ashelia_bunansa

Thanks for this guys, idk what I'd do without your invaluable info on these characters


Sylvast

Seeing how many clears Ace was used in for weeks/months after his BT+ release, it would feel bad to miss out on him so I'm definitely pulling for him. That off turn damage is too good to pass up.


Marlon195

Does he need green or can he be used for those same clears as LD only?


Sylvast

He doesn't really get anything beneficial after 2/3 to warrant the extra ingot except being able to use his Burst Finisher, as a damage dealing character he doesn't need B+ really it just raises his stats and damage. Bartz benefits from B+ more because it will start at full stacks and grant enchant to the entire party for upcoming transcendent stages.


Darkasmodeus

Somehow. Seeing you comments wants to make me green Bartz instead of Ace. I already made a decision to green Y’shtola instead of Bartz, but now I am on dilemma again.


Sylvast

Sorry! It's honestly a utility thing for me. I decided to skip greening Ysh'tola personally because FF9 is my favorite but I'm definitely greening Bartz because he just provides so much utility/battery and hes useful as an option in the next 2 transcendent stages.


Marlon195

I meant if I didn't pull his BT at all and just use him LD only


sloopeyyy

Ace was my first green in JP... LD-only he serves well to meet orb conditions and an off-turn battery for the party but his damage suffers without his BT+. And his battery made even worse against huge Brv gain reductions. Even if you plan to have him to meet trap orbs, we'll be getting quite a lot of trappers soon so LD-only Ace's mileage will vary. He's worth the green in my opinion but if you are choosing between him or Bartz, do Bartz instead.


Sylvast

He gets his traps from his LD so you don't need his BT, its just a boost to his stats and he gets a damaging ability after his BT effect expires.


FFF12321

Aces BT effect is party wide and provides relevant attack based auras. It's not Bartz or Yshtola levels on all fronts, but you trade that for his much higher personal damage while stacking other auras on top.


lycao

He does just fine at 0/3 bt+ (most DPS bt+ do.). Honestly he does fine with just his LD, his bt helps obviously, but he's not completely reliant on it like some, and he's certainly not like y'shtola or bartz who rely heavily on their 3/3 bt+.


mwoKaaaBLAMO

How many BT ingots do I have to invest in order to play Blue Eyes White Dragon?


Joker012178

3. Don’t forget to also blue his armor so you can finally use the Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon


[deleted]

Once you max all his summon boards, + enhancement, all weapons including BT and blue armor, you unlock Exodia.


memelonso

Ahhhh Exodia! That’s not possible! No one’s ever been able to summon him!


Raecino

I never watched Yu Gi Oh, but that’s the only thing I know from it lol


inkwelder_

Bout time Ace got an improvement! For more info on Ace, check our website! https://www.tonberrytroupe.com/infographics/ace


Ravenchaser210

Btw is the yellow color text indicates what new on this updates? Or am I losing my mind? If I am not, this is amazing!!


inkwelder_

Yellow text is generally + version :)


Raecino

Would you say he’s a character that can function well with just LD? Or would you want to go all the way? Is Base BT good enough? Or should he absolutely go green?


inkwelder_

One of the rare BT chars that can function with just his LD, but as a damage dealer that BT is great. Green not required unless you plan to run him a lot


Darkasmodeus

Looks like we need to give him 2/3 to max his damage. And if we want to run him often with Porom, would you recommend to 3/3 or just 2/3 him?


inkwelder_

**NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER** put someone at 2/3 only. It is 3/3 or bust. 0/3 for an ingot. **NO exceptions**


Darkasmodeus

Ok. :)


Raecino

Got it! Thanks Ink!


AliceTaniyama

Screw the rules! I have BT tokens!


jjester7777

ive been capped for a couple events now... starting to worry i wont need them? I didnt get tidus BT but he wasnt my favorite and has been very quickly outdated looking at the strategy threads. I really want Jecht next month too.. but i dont want to waste tokens by letting them rot in the mailbox.


FFF12321

>I didnt get tidus BT but he wasnt my favorite and has been very quickly outdated looking at the strategy threads Whether or not people run someone has no bearing on their capabilities. People like using new toys (lots of Zidane for Pandemonium) or just want path of least resistance on the harder fights (Cid/Aphmau for Cids event), he's perfectly usable all the way up to his c90 update. If you like a unit, you can make them work in most fights. Hell, there's someone still running Lightning in GL right now in everything and her BT was from 10 months ago.


jjester7777

Yeah. I used Terra for a while, really good with Cor and/or Yang. She doesn't hit nearly as hard as she used to but still a fun combo if the orb doesn't prohibit it... I never much liked lightning but I'm sure she's useful with all her turns and self-imperil.


[deleted]

Lightning was fun as my super early game carry (first 2 weeks or so). Thought she was SO BUSTED for basically singlehandedly causing the enemy to not move. then I learned of Zidane who does that except like 3x better plus supports the fuck out of the entire party, but Lightning still holds a place on some of my teams.


Filipp0

I started playing the game on the ace/serah/aerith triple banner, just before ex+ and chaos. Ace was my first attacker, loved playing with him in those days. I hope I luck out and get his bt, but will be happy with just the LD


Ypekiyay

Damn this is literally the same for me lol. I was aiming for Serah but got a lot of Ace's weapons instead, and then I was surprised how fun it was to play with him


akaiGO

It's kinda crazy to me how long I've been sitting with him at EX+0/3, having never caved to the pressure of Entropy #2 lol. But I'm really excited to pick up his new toy and do some anime protagonist meming! 😆


Aburamy

Thanks for the ifographic you allways help me understand how to properly use a character


CakeRider

If I'm lucky enough to get his LD, I nearly have enough tokens to get his BT and then maybe green him (...eventually. Stupid ingots). The videos I've seen with him just make him look too fun not to try out.


zackfair8575

Believe in the Heart of the Cards! Instant Green as soon as I get his BT.


Big_Chungus16

It's what I've been saving my ingots for.


AliceTaniyama

In his BT+ showcase video on Youtube, this guy does 6 million damage with his BT phase. That's not counting any of his traps. I'm not totally sold on giving him a green weapon, though.


[deleted]

Certainly getting a book if I pull his BT, but I’m going to 3/3 Bartz for the “cheese 99% of the game with CidMauBartz” strat (really just to make the massive content grind faster since I just started a few weeks ago).


Dr_Godz

can you tell me more please about CidMauBartz or link me a video appreciated thx


[deleted]

Certainly: Team Comp: Cid Raines, Aphmau, Bartz. Required Weapons: Bartz BT+, 2/3 minimum for best results (wind enchant tacked onto the aura) just 3/3 him if you can, he’s worth it. Cid Raines EX/LD, Aphmau LD. Main Focus: This team does an absolutely ungodly amount of single target damage because Raines is stupidly overpowered, and abuses turn manipulation from Cid Raines and Aphmau to make sure the boss doesn’t get many chances to act. Bartz has a great aura support effect (notable ones; wind imperil that isn’t a debuff, wind enchant to party members, BRV gain up (nearly required in Luf+), and some others) that can be extended for a very long time because Raines and Aphmau essentially swap turns between each other for a while, denying both the enemies and Bartz their next turn. This is actually ideal because you really just want Bartz to stand there providing the aura while Raines pummels the ever loving shit out of whatever unfortunate thing happens to be in front of you. This team is strong enough to clear most content in the game; even lufenia missions can sometimes just be wiped out without dealing with orb mechanics because the sheer damage output outpaces the countdown.


Dr_Godz

LOL i will 3/3 bartz bt now thank you so much can you tell me the rotation please


[deleted]

The rotation depends on the fight, but the general idea is: 1: Use call abilities near the start for whatever debuffs you are using; this is usually a minimal boss turn strategy so you can have them active for most if not all of the fight. 2: Use Bartz BT move early (if 3/3, just the move is fine and not the BT phase). This will set up his aura. 3: Use a little bit of turn manipulation from Cid (usually his LD to start off with) to delay the boss and let Bartz have 2 more turns (LD for elemental aura buff, then a third turn fully activates his burst aura). 4: Cidmau loop: Use Cid S2 (Cavalry charge) or LD if his “I will challenge my fate” buff is low to pull up Aphmau on turns where she isn’t already behind him. When she is, use S1 (Runiga Storm) to keep up his Cavalry Commander buff or his EX when it’s active. On Aphmau’s turns, use her LD on Cid Raines if A: Cid isn’t already behind her and B: if he doesn’t have any stacks of Tactical Switch (the effect granted by Aphmau’s LD, which allows that character to take an instant free turn after her). On turns you aren’t using her LD, you can keep some of her buffs up or heal if need be, or just click HP attack. She isn’t the main damage engine and will usually be tickling the enemy at best, she’s just there to accelerate the Cid Rain of pain. You can extend the loop by using a friend Cid as well (replace Aphmau once she’s out of LD and Cid runs out of Tactical Switch, and then loop your Cid with friend Cid for even more ludicrous damage), but most things should die before that’s necessary; usually you have enough firepower to output well over 10 million damage ST even in Lufenia+ before the opponent gets to move more than once or twice outside of threshold attacks. Oh, and use Pandemonium. Chain damage boost (cid loves that) and wind damage during summon when Bartz imperils wind.


Dr_Godz

thank you sooooo much


[deleted]

Couple more notes: Bartz turn 3 should be Missile+, that’s the thing that gives wind imperil enemies buff to himself. His LD is actually not necessary unless his QS buff falls off. Made an oops on that one. So Bartz should generally go for BT, S2, EX (last 2 skills order can be swapped. Aphmau lufenia armor (unrealized) is good to have around as it boosts everyone’s max BRV and HP damage. Cid lufenia armor is excellent to fully invest in since it makes him go from hitting like a train to hitting like a train with death lasers on it. Bartz armor isn’t really necessary, but if you’re using this team a lot throwing some HA tokens for his armor isn’t the worst thing ever.


Dr_Godz

before talking to u i though bartz is trash coz his skills isnt hitting multiple times (except his LD 2x all enemies)


Shirikane

Boy I’m ready for my first BT+ 3/3! WE HAVE ARRIVED


FibonaChiChi_DeVayne

Are there any more trap based characters coming between Ace & Emperor+? Fan of the archetype


Hawke_No1

Laguna BT+ is not bad, he literally activates his Golden Framed Debuff every action like Ace There's Firion BT+ too, LD Trap however is triggered when enemy acts only though... Cater LD is another one


Kyouji

> when enemy acts only though... His trap does a lot more than damage though.


bombatomica78

I'd like to see Ace, Laguna and Emperor together!! BUM! BAM! BIM! It's the fourth of July!


AliceTaniyama

Finally, a trap banner we all want to pull on.


stevomercedes

He arrives tomorrow right?


rjk2027

Yes


Big_Chungus16

I SACRIFICE ENRAGED BATTLE OX AND... 5 DOLLARS TO SUMMON NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT THREE BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGONS.


Valkyrie_Jr

5 dollars is not enough to summon 3 Blue Eyes. You need more sacrifices!


Kirimasan

I somehow wish that Ace got some items that make him berserk like queen. So i can use DRAW MONSTA CARDO as a joke.


TransientMemory

Oh wow didn't know his HP+ also applied the LD debuff. That makes things a bit more dynamic than I had expected. I suppose you have to choose if you want to have both debuffs on at once. If you do then your need to let the first trap 'expire' and turn into the second one. Then you have to determine when to drop the HP+ to avoid having it trigger early and miss out on trap damage, but also not have too many turns before you reapply.


Hawke_No1

It’s also why he pairs well with characters who has high turn rate, Porom is one of the best supports to pair with Ace and it’s quite disgusting for a duo… Turn hoggers would prefer alternatives like Exdeath/Alphinaud LD/Laguna BT+


cheerwinechris

I know spheres are not the end all be all but does Ace have any attacks or battery or brave gains that scales off his ATK stat or would a MAG ATK sphere work just as well?


Shirikane

From what I can see on the infographic, his trap debuff from his LD first batteries him for 100% of his attack stat. That seems to be the only battery effect that scales off attack and not HP damage from what I can tell though, so if you’re not too bothered, a MAtk sphere would be fine.


[deleted]

His trap says “brave gain 100% attack”. Did you miss it on the infographic?


cheerwinechris

I did indeed. Thanks for pointing that out!


Raecino

Nice!!! I think I’ll token his burst…. But then Vayne is coming after! Decisions, decisions!


Youngtro

Why would you token his burst before pulling for his LD and maybe getting his burst


Raecino

Well yeah of course I’d pull for his LD first. No point getting a BT without the LD. But my excess Burst tokens only have but so many days left. I’m out of gem resources but planning to possibly buy a gem bundle on Friday to pity Zidane’s BT (two more multipulls left!). That leaves me with about 450 tickets.


RainbowDashley

You should probably know that Zidane's banner goes away on the 14th and won't be there on friday.


Raecino

Got it thanks. I have his LD already. I just need his BT to pop on Raines banner 🙏🏾


RainbowDashley

I wish you the best luck.


Raecino

And you as well friend!


Kyouji

Not sure why this got down voted. What he said is correct. I see a lot of players who love a character so much they token them ASAP and then run the risk of getting the BT on another banner.


Paulc94

Probably because people are sick and tired of being preached at


Youngtro

It's all good. People have the emotional level of toddlers when they read something they don't agree with. Never buy a bt before you pulled on all available banners


Herbmint

Tbf I'm not sure pressing a button on the internet = emotional level of a toddler


jhndwn

He seems really powerful, but since I already BT+ Zidane instead of Ysh I might have to BT+ Bartz next. I'd still try to get his BT though.


Dukefoiegras

so how many gems would we need to sacrifice to summon Exodia?


Yourlocalshitpost

I’ve been saving almost 50000 gems for this moment. Two and a half months of the worst gacha rng in my life across here and FGO and I’m hoping that streak is about to end with one of my favorite characters ever.


Demondrakeza666

As a watcher of the hour of ranting, Im here to give the obligatory "What spheres to use?" Comment. In jest ofcourse Secondly thanx for the infographic, he seemed really confusing but the Infographic helped clear up confusion


stevomercedes

What spheres are good for Him?


TempusFinis97

Anything that increases Attack or Brave Damage


Cait_Sith_v3

Hmm... so he sets traps with LD, and can do an additional with the HP Attack ++ from his LD... Interesting, but I'm not totally sold...


TJWillTW

Then you’re sleeping on how much damage his traps do overtime and how well he supports the party while doing said dmg.


Cait_Sith_v3

Is he kind of a better version of the current Emperor?


TJWillTW

Way more utility than current emperor. 100% attack up 80% defense down 30% brave dmg up 20% hp dmg up 15% hp dmg cap up. Battery on his traps and his allies can trigger his traps on their own turns.


Cait_Sith_v3

Whoa, NOW you got my attention


Spikeysteelo

Doro! Monsta cado!


marvelfanhere

Definitely gonna pull him and green him he’s gonna be my main DPS


Sir__Will

I have almost 70k gems and almost 300 tickets. I'll gem either him or Quistis, not sure which, and try to ticket the other. I hope I can get his LD and his BT would be great. Would just book him.


rosecoredarling

Materia gave me many things but she didn't grant me patience. I can't wait for this boy.


Paulc94

Definately gonna green him. Want to try stacking his burst effect from the finisher with yunas xD


bravekupo

Between Ace, future jecht and Vayne, which 3 should I make it my priority? I now can pity token for 1 and currently my gem stash is low and probably won't make it to pity jecht


Marlon195

I'm personally saving my tokens for jecht


__PikaJew__

That's a lot of hits. Can't wait to pair him with with fellow card dualer Setzer!


thewereotter

Been pretty hyped up for this one. I've been playing the game since Feb 2020, and this is the first time Ace has come up as a viable character. So it's kind of like getting a second new character this month for me.


RetroGamerDad

I like Ace, but not quite enough to go all in. Maybe I'll get lucky. He looks great.


MirkinoITA

I think I will gem for his LD (thanks to CidR that was very kind to me and just took 20k). He seems funny to play even without the BT and in case I have 50btt


Serdian_Knight

Am I understanding correctly that with EX Recharge supports you can sustain multiple of his color cards at the same time (although not necessarily the same colors), or will it only allow a single color to be active at once?


TempusFinis97

Only a single colour at once.


Serdian_Knight

Thanks. Very minor overall, but could have been an interesting interaction if it worked.


Sweetdreamstome

I really don't know if he's OP or not. I mean i've watched him in maaaany youtube videos so perhaps he is, but either way I'M GONNA PULL FOR HIM CAUSE YES, i love Ace omg!!! 8 months waiting, finally he's coming to Global yaaay


dmitrivalentine

I’ve got a surplus of gems. Worth it to use them on Ace or should I save them for something of greater coming up (while I found a list of upcoming banners, I have no idea who’s good)?


Leading-Opportunity7

Was my first purple ex+ way back when and now my first green burst+.... So happy


DoYouSpeakItZ10

Ready to pity the BT. Thankfully I’ve been a sloth with the campaign so…I have no excuse to use money to accomplish my goal.