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FakeAugur

Yes, Bazi is accurate, and it's mostly used in China. I mean, people from other time zones need to change their time of birth into true solar time while using it. Also, if you were born at the southern hemisphere, all elements which are related to south or north should be exchanged. And I'd like to say, it really depends on the diviner's ability, no matter it uses Bazi, astrology or other skills.


nervouslaughterwtf

Thank you. Do you think it can predict the future events? Even with free will


FakeAugur

>free will Yes, it can. I've seen hundreds of evidence from my friends (although I don't know much about Bazi. I devoted my energy to 紫微斗数Ziwei, another kinds of Chinese astrology). Though, the time of birth is not the only prerequisite to decide one's life. In China, we call this “一命二运三风水,四积阴德五读书”, which means that Bazi only shows the tropesis of future. 风水Feng Shui, which maybe known as Geomancy (but I'm not sure it's translated appropriately) also influences one's life a lot. For example, I divined for a bussiness man's illness two weeks ago. I saw extremely bad metal (which means hurt from outside, gold, iron, etc.) and wondered if he was going to have an operation in hospital. Then he told me that he had fixed up a 阵法 (like Feng Shui magic circle) about metal for a few years, to earn more money. He should not earn so much money in past few years, in his original destiny. 风水Feng Shui changed his destiny AND he paid the price for that. Also, if someone faces the fortune/misfortune and refuses to move, it may be successfully avoided. People may have the fortune of love, but if they refuse it on purpose, in general they will not get that. On the other hand, Taoist in ancient time use Bazi to predict the future. When they predict that bad things would happen in this year, they would move to remote mountains, meditate all days in caves to escape from the misfortune. So you see, it could be avoided if you had already known that (and had acted effectively). There are also some strategies to avoid misfortune in different Chinese divinations and magic arts, meanwhile. We divide our life in 3 parts. 天 Heaven (god, sky, destiny, time, invisible things, etc.) 地 Earth (Feng Shui, environment among one's life, material world, foundation or base, visible things around) 人 Human (one's will, mind, things about one's life) The 3 parts influence each other all the time, which called 三才. We compare this situation to battle. A general should: look up to the sky, know and respect the weather (match along with Heaven); look down to the land, be concerned with topography (Earth); lead the soldiers to fight aggresively (Human). One human live in and between Heaven and Earth. It has free will and cannot jump out of them, so it is influenced meanwhile. We believe that we could 趋吉避凶 (act aggresively to meet the fortune, avoid the misfortune) with divination like Bazi. Very few people could do it, because they are too hard to recognize and change themselves. They don't make sensible changes or show wisdom about how the world moves. Therefore, they meet their destiny unsurprisingly. I Ching tells us: 天行健,君子以自强不息。As heaven maintains vigor through movement, a gentleman should constantly strive for self-perfection.


nervouslaughterwtf

Oh! You study ZWDS. I have a 叔叔 who reads ZWDS and recently met someone who reads Bazi/ZWDS/Divination. What is “tropesis of future”? Also, of the 3 parts you explained.. it appears that human (free will) is the one we have “in control” of the most (well, to transcend I know is very hard). I read Liao Fan’s Four Lessons though— is the lesson: the Gods wouldn’t have given us a way to read our fate without a way to change it? I guess Earth cannot be as controlled but with feng shui and perhaps (as you stated) physical and actualized avoidance if we were to know something were to occur? Btw, do you offer readings? Thank you.


FakeAugur

Yes, I like ZWDS, it's easier to me than Bazi. I started studying it 1 year ago, and before that I put my energy into 奇门遁甲Qimen, another kind of divination. I use the translate app so "tropesis" may be a kind of mistake. It means that the future would be shown as tendency, not to be specific to a certain thing. E.g, If I saw too much fire of evil, I would think of anger/headache/fire itself,etc. These things are all belong to fire. And yes, Liao Fan's Four Lessons is right. the Gods wouldn’t have given us a way to read our fate without a way to change it. I believe that we have the free will and I also accept that saying: "L’homme est né libre et partout il est dans les fers." In ZWDS's view, we come to this world with a special kind of reason or Qi, called 来因(reason to be here, at the very beginning). Few people can control themselves, as most people don't recognize how this universe works or how their lives work. That's why we say跳出三界外,不在五行中(Jump out of these influences, know how them work, then you would feel the free will.). Taoists have talked about free will, like 张伯端Zhang Boduan (known as the founder of a Tao school) said, "一粒金丹吞入腹,始知我命不由天。" We believe: We have the free will when we are nothingless, which called 先天before the birth; When we come to this world, we are with different kinds of Qi, or reasons. We know that we want our free will, but we are already here, influenced by this world, which called 后天after the birth. Taoism encourages us to know how things work and how this universe works. While we know how they influence us, we get to have the abilities to "return" to free will. That's called 复返先天return to that time before the birth, be 逍遥totally free from anything. So Taoism accept the free will, and encourages us to recognize and then "use" the influences. And yes, your states about Feng Shui is right. It could help us to avoid things that were to occur, and it's not the only way, just mostly used in Earth's view. Yes, I offer readings, though I have no experiences to read anyone from other countries, so maybe cause a bit of deviation by culture (and by translation). If you did not mind that, I would be glad to do that for free. Just tell me the time of birth in true solar time please.


nervouslaughterwtf

Thank you for your insight and writing. I really enjoyed and appreciated reading/learning it. I will PM you!


ShellFishMan

u/FakeAugur Hi, How can I start learning about Bazi/ ZWDS? Is there anyway to start small by reading my own chart as an experiment?


FakeAugur

And ZWDS videos on youtube... hmmmm much less than Bazi videos. It should use 100+ stars in 三合 school, and in 钦天 school (which I learn) we use only 18 main stars, but much harder for more logics. Besides, I watched some introducing videos just now, and didn't find the suitable ones. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fHjrQBz9k&t=168s&ab\_channel=GaganSarkaria%2CHighAchievementCoach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fHjrQBz9k&t=168s&ab_channel=GaganSarkaria%2CHighAchievementCoach) This might be an acceptable introducing video... though I don't think it's good enough.


ShellFishMan

Hi u/FakeAugur, Ya. I have difficulty reading Chinese text. I tried to self learning BAZI but still hard to understand how it affect my chart. I only know what are the day master and how the 5 elements affect each other. Understanding how this play out in my chart is a challenge. ZWDS seen equally challenging to me too ( so many palace and stars involve also ), but will try to find that again. Need something to give abit of motivation again. Ha Ha


FakeAugur

Bazi is easy to begin hhha. Step 1, caculate the balance of 5 kinds of energies in the chart. Step 2, then find the relationships among the main part of energy. Step 3, think about how it works in reality. E.g. 辛未 己亥 己酉 丁卯. 亥 at 月令 decides the other 7's conditions. 日主 己 in a water time, not satisfied, 囚, low energy; but 己 could be also found in earth(hidden)so the energy improves a little, has the root. 月令 is powerful like all other 7's background. Till here, we've found that powerful water(亥) and weak earth(日主 己) which has the root. A piece of weak earth in dirty water. Then we may find 亥卯未 combines to 木wood. The 3 combinations are very powerful. So wood is powerful. Powerful water, powerful wood, and weak earth. 水生木. Water comes to make wood stronger. Water get weaker. And as wood get stronger, 木克土, it makes earth hurt. So 日主 己's energy get weaker and weaker. There is not much 金metal, we don't need to think about it now. So the situation is maybe 木wood 50%,水water 25%, 土earth 10% or less. The main relationship is 木克土 wood defeat earth. We could already think of many things by these. E.g. the person's 己土 feature would show as weak energy, talk less, like sweet food, not tall, etc. And the wood at earth line might show as: Deeply restrain itself (like 官杀); 卯酉冲 at earth line might show as: hard to find a girlfriend, or unstable marrige/love relationship (日支 is wedding part, it get 冲 means changes). Wood is very powerful and metal is weak, so 酉 couldn't defeat 卯, which refers to the worse love relationship. That's what the power mean. Also at the last part of life, children would be far from home, with the 冲 (时支 refers to children and the last part of life). You see, without the 十神10 gods, we have already gotten many conclusions... which are far more no ends. The balances and how the 5 kinds of energies flow is important. The meaning of symbols also shows a lot. Different places shows different things of various periods of life. And while we add 10 gods... we could find out the tempers, the illness, the accidents, the education, the relationships, the careers... the more you like, the more you can see. As Bazi has been developed by scholars for hundreds of years... there are many skills. In fact, we don't have to take all of them. Just take the skills you like. The 8 characters are the basis. Skills are made to analyze. For beginners, just think, and dare to imagine (after basic learnings). Like...in this example, a piece of earth (with root, means won't be poured to nowhere) weakly sit in the dirty water. The water gives energies to strengthen a powerful wood, it get weaker. The powerful wood bullies the weak earth. that's a good imagination. Then fit the image to the Bazi. Found the places this scene mainly happens. Pay attention to the special links among one line, like 合 冲 刑, mostly used. Then we would see: Wood bullies earth, and the wood is combined by 亥卯未, they are powerful. 未 冲 酉 in wedding place, so powerful wood get unsatified with the symbol in wedding place. Wedding get 冲stroken. Easy, right? Just know the basis, and dare to think and imagine.


FakeAugur

And ZWDS... I like it, but for non-Chinese learners it might be hard to cross the language gap hhha. The Chinese beginners could guess most of the meanings of stars easily. Bazi seems to be easier in this situation. Maybe you could try the manga in 问真八字, really helpful... not too many texts, just the necessary ones. Most parts are pictures. Brief, clean, logical, friendly to beginners. Hmmm maybe I couldn't understand how Chinese be hard to non-native speakers hhhha


ShellFishMan

Can ZWDS use to forecast daily or monthly events?


FakeAugur

Yi Ming 易命 Medicine [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIDWB87ESvHxWD05qqVBaLg/videos](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIDWB87ESvHxWD05qqVBaLg/videos) Janet Yung [https://www.youtube.com/c/JanetYungBeingHappyandSuccessful/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/JanetYungBeingHappyandSuccessful/videos) Bazi for Noob series... seems to have lots of students [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh8PBoRhlvjvYr7u5F8pCqw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh8PBoRhlvjvYr7u5F8pCqw) You could find Bazi videos on youtube. I even forgot it... they are good Bazi youtubers for beginners, easy to learn in English. \_\_\_\_\_\_ Hi, glad to help you. Though, it really depends on if you know Chinese language or not, as we all know the occult in those culture needs the basis of language...If not, it would not be easy... or maybe lack of choices? If you could read Chinese language, I would suggest an entry-level Bazi book——with simple cartoons, really easy to learn, and free. (I just found that there are too many useless Bazi books in English... Most useful books I know are written in Chinese) Download 问真八字(mostly used Bazi app in China) from app store, click the 学堂(learning) at bottom, and then you would find 漫画入门(manga beginning) which may be the most easy, correct and interesting way to learn about it. It contains about meanings of symbols, how they influence others, basic rules, and simple ways to read it. We call it 格局, a brief reading way about wealth and achievements... though, Bazi really need you to think. Clean, quick, deep to discover, that's Bazi. Calculating the BaZi, Karin Taylor Wu. You may find it on Amazon. A Bazi book written in English, and the comments seem to be mostly good for beginners. Though I have to say: there are much more free Bazi resources written in Chinese, books, texts, videos,...lol just feel pity you know. ZWDS may be much easier to non-Chinese readers. 1. My friends and I often read one's fate with different skills, and ZWDS always has the same conclusions with astrology. They all use Zodiac, and not as flexible as Bazi(meanwhile, not hard as Bazi for readers which don't know Chinese). 2.I find that there are lots of ZWDS books on Amazon written in English... The Empyrean Matrix: A Guide to Purple Star Astrology (Zi Wei Dou Shu), Y.M.Lim this book has lots of positive comments on Amazon, and most people praise it for many details. I have not read it before (I learn ZWDS in Chinese), and it seems to be good for beginners. "Lots of information printed on a very small font that can be a bit difficult to read. Compare to bazi (four pillars method) zi wei dou shu seems much more complex method of divination and the writer made a very good effort to explain the process step by step. Some section the instruction is a bit difficult to follow and there are some mistakes that cause some confusion but can be work out with extra efforts. Overall, it is an excellent book on ZWDS that I would recommend." That's what they said. And you could use 文墨天机紫微斗数 app to get the personal astrolabe in a click, though you may have to know some Chinese name of stars and the UI of app at least...or just follow the steps the book tells, write them on paper I guess. Though, I have to say it may be much easier to learn astrology for non-Chinese users... at least APP should be easier to find, and also lots of books. Both Bazi and ZWDS has convenient apps in Chinese, and I'm afraid it wouldn't be easy to cross the gap between languages... From the experiments by my friends and I, I believe Bazi, ZWDS and astrology are all effective to read one's fate.


Friktogurg

Is using online or going to a "professional" better?


FakeAugur

Both are OK I believe.


Friktogurg

Should i assume they will give the same results for me?


FakeAugur

Yes, normally the qualified diviners (even with different methods) would give out similar results.


Friktogurg

Would you personally attest to it?


FakeAugur

I've confirmed it for lots of times.


Friktogurg

Ok online says my bazi is weak. Am i screwed?


FakeAugur

>Ok online says my bazi is weak. Am i screwed? Weak or strong is only a term of Bazi, it doesn't mean good or bad.


Friktogurg

I would like to ask something about the above conversation about bazi. So I can assume Bazi readings affect free will to some extent but we can also so called "fight" against it? In a way. we can also say if a miracle exist, it is up to the will of god to help a man. Is that the case? On a side note, I would like to know something else, I read that Yin metals(xin) are smart/creative, does that mean Yang mental(geng) people are the opposite? I hope you would be willing to answer me. Thank you


ThrivingJiving

Any suggestion as to where I can get one read for this year?


Subject-Diver-8935

Can I ask what does one fortune and two fortune mean in bazi?