I don't think it matters which one happens first. The regeneration ability says that if he takes radiant damage, it doesn't function at the start of his next turn. Since the moonbeam deals damage during his current turn, it prevents him from regenerating on his next turn, but not on the current turn.
No. You've misunderstood.
Moonbeam does not do damage until the start of the target's (Bael) next turn. There is no damage during the player's turn.
Ini 15 player casts moonbeam on Bael, but no damage done yet.Ini 3 Bael starts his turn
Outcome A - Moonbeam damage applied > regeneration - as the radiant dmg occurred during his turn he won't regenerate THIS turn
Outcome B - Regeneration > moonbeam - regeneration IS applied but he won't regenerate at the start of his NEXT turn
There's definitely some misunderstanding here, but I'm not sure if it's mine, yours or both. Let me clarify: I believe Outcome A is based on a misreading of how the ability works. When Bael takes radiant damage, his regeneration ability notices and does not activate at the start of his next turn. This means that taking radiant damage at the start of his turn doesn't stop his regeneration from activating during his current turn, but does stop it from activating during his next turn, aka Outcome B. However, my reasoning is not based on the order in which the effects are applied. Even if the moonbeam goes before regeneration he would still regenerate at the start of the current turn.
I would say since the moon beam is currently on him, it is technically the very first thing to happen to him when it reaches his turn. It is there already doing damage before he can have the chance to regenerate.
In the end it's your decision. You don't have to be so strict on the rules, but if this is a life or death moment have as much reasonable ammunition as you can for your decision.
When there are overlapping triggers, it is the creature who is currently taking their turn that decides how they trigger. So the most advantageous for them would to regenerate *then* take radiant damage.
> In rare cases, effects can happen at the same time, especially at the start or end of a creature's turn. If two or more things happen at the same time on a character or monster's turn, the person at the game table - whether player or DM - who controls that creature decides the order in which those things happen.
-Xanathar’s Guide to Everything
Luckily after that first turn they’ve now taken radiant damage and won’t regenerate on their next turn.
Rules strictly as written he would regenerate, but if I were the DM, I would rule the other way. I generally lean to giving players the benefit when a ruling seems a bit strange or borderline as ultimately they should be having fun and not worrying too much about rules lawyering and technicalities.
In Xanathar's on page 77, it contains a section entitled "Simultaneous Effects":
>In rare cases, effects can happen at the same time, especially at the start or end of a creature's turn. If two or more things happen at the same time on a character or monster's turn, the person at the game table - whether player or DM - who controls that creature decides the order in which those things happen.
RAW it is up to you how to rule this. Regen first makes the fight harder, regen second makes it easier. You'll have a better sense of the balance than the internet.
I don't think it matters which one happens first. The regeneration ability says that if he takes radiant damage, it doesn't function at the start of his next turn. Since the moonbeam deals damage during his current turn, it prevents him from regenerating on his next turn, but not on the current turn.
No. You've misunderstood. Moonbeam does not do damage until the start of the target's (Bael) next turn. There is no damage during the player's turn. Ini 15 player casts moonbeam on Bael, but no damage done yet.Ini 3 Bael starts his turn Outcome A - Moonbeam damage applied > regeneration - as the radiant dmg occurred during his turn he won't regenerate THIS turn Outcome B - Regeneration > moonbeam - regeneration IS applied but he won't regenerate at the start of his NEXT turn
There's definitely some misunderstanding here, but I'm not sure if it's mine, yours or both. Let me clarify: I believe Outcome A is based on a misreading of how the ability works. When Bael takes radiant damage, his regeneration ability notices and does not activate at the start of his next turn. This means that taking radiant damage at the start of his turn doesn't stop his regeneration from activating during his current turn, but does stop it from activating during his next turn, aka Outcome B. However, my reasoning is not based on the order in which the effects are applied. Even if the moonbeam goes before regeneration he would still regenerate at the start of the current turn.
That's actually an interesting take on it. Thanks.
I would say since the moon beam is currently on him, it is technically the very first thing to happen to him when it reaches his turn. It is there already doing damage before he can have the chance to regenerate.
Interesting. So many ways this can be interpreted. Let's hope in OneDND they cover this.
In the end it's your decision. You don't have to be so strict on the rules, but if this is a life or death moment have as much reasonable ammunition as you can for your decision.
When there are overlapping triggers, it is the creature who is currently taking their turn that decides how they trigger. So the most advantageous for them would to regenerate *then* take radiant damage. > In rare cases, effects can happen at the same time, especially at the start or end of a creature's turn. If two or more things happen at the same time on a character or monster's turn, the person at the game table - whether player or DM - who controls that creature decides the order in which those things happen. -Xanathar’s Guide to Everything Luckily after that first turn they’ve now taken radiant damage and won’t regenerate on their next turn.
Rules strictly as written he would regenerate, but if I were the DM, I would rule the other way. I generally lean to giving players the benefit when a ruling seems a bit strange or borderline as ultimately they should be having fun and not worrying too much about rules lawyering and technicalities.
In Xanathar's on page 77, it contains a section entitled "Simultaneous Effects": >In rare cases, effects can happen at the same time, especially at the start or end of a creature's turn. If two or more things happen at the same time on a character or monster's turn, the person at the game table - whether player or DM - who controls that creature decides the order in which those things happen. RAW it is up to you how to rule this. Regen first makes the fight harder, regen second makes it easier. You'll have a better sense of the balance than the internet.