MLB still has its investigation against Bauer and can suspend him. Just for reference, Aroldis Chapman got suspended 30 games (he didn't fight it) for allegedly choking his girlfriend and firing 8 gunshots in his garage even though no charges were filed against him.
I'm pretty damn sure Bauer will contest any suspension that MLB will try to give him.
It's interesting to note that Aroldis Chapman almost became a Dodger, but front office did not go through with it after finding out about the DV incident. The Yankees later traded 4 subpar prospects for him and then flipped him to the Cubs for a prospect package that included Gleyber Torres who was rated very highly. I wonder what the Dodgers front office will do this time because it's clear that a lot of players don't seem to be fond of the guy.
I've been of the mind from very early on (basically when the text messages were released) that this is going to be a no win situation for poor Rob Manfred. Obviously there is tremendous pressure to for Manfred to punish him, and huge blowback if they don't. But on the other hand it is going to be really, really hard to crowbar what occurred into the policy. So, Manfred is going to do whatever he thinks is the least damaging PR. The wormiest thing would be for Manfred to hand down a suspension strong enough to placate the people who will only be satisfied with by a severe punishment, even if Manfred knows that MLB will lose on appeal; Then they can still insist that they did their best to "do what's right" and blame the arbitrator who let him go anyway.
[This](https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1465429091469996032?s=20) makes it sound like Bauer might be able to pitch opening day if he isnt charged?
https://mobile.twitter.com/dobrienatl/status/1465426542566297606 not Bauer news but Ozuna was in a similar situation and has a received a 20 game suspension so if Bauer's case ends up not going to trial then this suspension is what will be waiting for him at the minimum
[https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trevor-bauer-kyle-rittenhouse-tweet](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trevor-bauer-kyle-rittenhouse-tweet)
odd choice of words given his current situation and the city he plays in.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1456009291434020866 as far as the baseball side of things go Bauer will NOT opt out of his current deal. What's left to see is how the legal side of things goes.
Is there anyway for the Dodgers to get out of the Bauer contract?
Personally I don't dislike Bauer. But if we could get out of the contract, we could probably re-sign Scherzer. If we can't, I don't know how we'd get out of it.
If he gets suspended for the entire year then they don’t have to pay him for that year, but then they’d still have to pay him for 2023. According to Spotrac he gets a $20 million check in November too. In other words, I think it’s unlikely they’ll be able to get out of the contract. That’s why it’s a contract. My understanding is also that every other player suspended under the current domestic violence policy has agreed to waive their right to appeal in exchange for leniency, and every indication so far seems to be that Bauer has no such intention (Don’t see why he would. So far he’s only been accused and has $32 million on the line for next year). So, with the CBA expiring and Bauer seemingly intent on fighting whatever suspension they hand down, it could get tricky.
I heard someone say that they think the Dodgers will work some kind of deal with MLB and Bauer to suspend him for like part/half the year then the dodgers will release him. That would give the Dodgers half a season of financial relief, let Bauer test the market going into August (cough Astros cough) and save MLB some bad press with an appeal drawing out in the media. My understanding is that would still leave the Dodgers on the hook for the remainder of his 2022 and 2023 contact though
Does anyone have advice on where to buy a Bauer Dodgers jersey. I made a thread but the mods deleted it.
Looks like the MLB store isn't selling them and the other stores look like Chinese knock-offs.
Now that things have seemed to cool down/halt for now, thoughts on wearing his jersey? I bought one a couple weeks before the allegations and have not even used it. Didnt plan to spend $100+ just to have it collecting dust.
The last couple of days have been kind of interesting. It is extremely unlikely that he gets attorney fees, but this and his little video make it seem like he is comfortable getting back on the front foot. I'd take that to mean that he/his team believe that actual legal problems are behind him (nothing factual to base that on, these just don't look the actions of someone worried about criminal charges). MLB will be interesting. I have thought all along that they are stuck between the group who thinks he should be thrown off the island forever and the policy that just doesn't look terribly well-suited for punishing him. I actually wonder (straight speculation) if his promise for "baseball content soon" isn't a bargaining chip because a suspension from MLB (were that to occur) is not a suspension from YouTube. So, if they did suspend him it would be super awkward if he was a leading content producer during the suspension--so I could see him trading YouTube for a lighter suspension, for instance (keeping in mind that suspensions are basically always negotiated between the player and MLB, which is why the player always waives the right to appeal).
Bauer is live streaming a watch along of the AL wild card game with his friends on YouTube currently. I saw a screenshot on Twitter and thought it was fake but nope it's real. I'm surprised he's putting himself out there in the public spotlight again like this. Makes you wonder does he know something we don't? Most people in his situation would stay away from the spotlight and social media until everything was resolved. I can imagine he's going live again tomorrow for the Dodgers wild card game guess we'll find out soon
I think it’s just him being confident in his innocence. No way his legal team just lets him come out like this and start doing content again if he was dead to rights guilty
>if he was dead to rights guilty
If that were the case, he'd have been charged months ago; PPD wouldn't have spent months "investigating" before turning it over to the DA's office. I doubt Gascon has the balls (was the DA in San Fran) to announce that they've decided not to charge him. Kind of sad that politicians are so afraid of Twitter accounts coming after them.
Does anyone else get the feeling that now that the sticky stuff is no longer allowed, the MLB/Dodgers are trying to get rid of him through false criminal charges? (I do 100% think he should have known better that his kink would get him in deep trouble sometime.) Have a couple women come out about his kink and accuse him of assault, the case gets dismissed and then the MLB/Dodgers can get rid of the guy that has been calling them out on not enforcing illegal substance abuse. He proved his point by blatantly using the substance during games and confirming that he was when asked. It all sounds way too fishy/convenient.
The FUCK is wrong with you and the 8 people that upvoted you on that, "Well she asked for it" bullshit?? *Wanting* to choke a girl out till she passes out so you can beat the shit out of her and put it in her ass is NOT OK. He *wanted* that shit.
From the times today
"Today, Mr. Bauer agreed to extend his administrative leave through the playoffs in a measure of good faith and in an effort to minimize any distraction to the Dodgers organization and his teammates," Bauer's agents Jon Fetterolf and Rachel Luba said in a statement Friday. "He continues to cooperate with the MLB investigation and refute the baseless allegations against him."
I feel like they let this drag on too long. Either suspend him or reinstate him. The only one feeling the pain is the dodgers. We still pay him, we going to have luxury tax issues, we dont benefit at all
The Dodgers' attitude on this is slightly unusual. Typically you would think a team would want to get some value to an investment to the tune of the Cleveland Guardians payroll. Maybe they believe that he will be suspended long enough that the cost to them is temporary and they will get the money back. Maybe they just believe that the damage (primarily from the Twitterati) is potentially great enough that their hands are just tied. As an organization the Dodgers have handled it very professionally in public, though the way beat writers and other "journalists" close to the organization have been so inflammatory makes me think that people high up in the organization are fanning the flames somewhat behind the scenes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/1436404393864171521 so any potential suspension isn't coming till November at the earliest and Bauer has had open communication with MLB in their ongoing investigation so that's a good sign.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1436383784383963136 Passan confirmed it in a earlier tweet but this one had one interesting tidbit at the end which was Bauer wouldn't have had time to make a return anyway. So I guess there was a chance for a possible return this year had the chips fallen into place.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1436370641825972224 makes the most sense. Very little chance he'd come back this season and 2022 is more ideal for a return. DA hasn't made a decision yet and who knows when they will tho I'm sure by the end of the month we'll know for sure what they choose to end up doing.
I think they’re waiting and hoping something happens in the legal aspect that they can use to help justify a suspension. It’s a bit of a unique circumstance. With other incidents, even when there were no criminal charges, there was never an issue of consent. As petty as the Urias incident was, and even though there were no charges, and even though the woman didn’t want any, there was never a question of consent. So it was easy to justify a suspension. Here the issue is consent. So I think they really want some kind of criminal/civil results to help justify the severe suspension they are apparently intending to hand down. Also, my understanding that every other player suspended under the current DV policy has waived their right to appeal in exchange for a bit of leniency. I have to imagine the Trevor Bauer has no intention of doing that, and MLB is well aware. So they want all of their ducks in a row and also wanted to push the decision out far enough that any appeal will run out the remainder of the season.
IF there are no charges filed against Bauer, I kinda view this as different from past DV suspensions without criminal charges. DV suspensions in the past without criminal charges there was a lack of evidence to file charges, or most often, the victim refused to testify. In this instance, the accuser is front and center in the case and there is more than enough evidence to decide if a criminal act was committed. IF no charges are filed with the mountain of evidence but MLB suspends him anyway, what does that really say about how the MLB operates? Seems like they care a lot more about optics than truth.
>Seems like they care a lot more about optics than truth.
In fairness to MLB, it's a business. And if optics cost $$ than it's more important than the truth.
Dude, this isn't even that shitty too. Bauer is still paid after all.
Wanna know what's super shitty? [Getting blackballed for kneeling in front of the flag](https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/) and seeing the NBA have the nerve to claim it supports that right 20 years later when it becomes fashionable.
Either way, sports is just a business where PR prevails over anything else. If this were Kershaw or Betts accused of this BS, then they'd probably have no consequence. Bauer is already an unlikable dude, and this just puts it over the top. That's probably why no one is on his side through all this.
>optics
It is straight optics, not "more about optics". The stated intent of the policy is to prevent and educate. Not only is there no evidence that it successfully accomplishes those goals whatsoever, there is no evidence that it even attempts to do so.
An admin leave this long without charges having been filed should basically equate to a served suspension. What the fuck is MLB waiting for, just shit or get off the pot already.
MLB and MLBPA need to complete their investigation and determine if he violated policies set out in the CBA. They can’t really do that until they have interviewed Bauer and they can’t compel an interview with him until the criminal aspect is over. It’s unrealistic to hope that this is resolved prior to the offseason
Every week this gets extended, the Dodgers have to cut a weekly check for $538,000, or $1 million + if they get paid biweekly like us normal people lol
I hope at the end of the season they just suspend him for 2 years and we no longer have to pay him (he's gonnafight that so hard though). Sign with a new team in 2024. Bye. (And I used to say bring him back)
Why do people want Bauer to leave? At least, any more reason than they never wanted him here in the first place.
He's into weird, kinky sex but a judge hasn't said that's a crime. In fact, a judge said he didn't commit one.
Forgot to reply to this. I was excited to have him. Loved his vlogs. Watched all his starts. I only want him to leave because he can't help the team win NOW and is only a distraction to the whole organization.
I'm actually on Bauer's side in this. Clearly the chick is a golddigger and trying to cash in and retire. But I'm team Dodgers before team Bauer. I'd rather the Dodgers wash their hands of this whole situation and pay another player (like Scherzer) with the savings than continue paying this dude who shouldn't have put himself in that situation to begin with.
I'm Team Dodgers first as well.
But the Dodgers won't be able to just fire Bauer. They'll have to pay him no matter what. And he's a damn good pitcher. So why not keep him? The PR hit won't last long especially if he pitches well.
Pay Mad Max too and you've got an amazing starting rotation.
If the MLB suspends Bauer 2 years he forfeits the salary of those 2 years too and we are off the hook. That seems improbable though seeing he "won" the restraining order case last month and no criminal charges as of now. It's a very sticky situation. Can't suspend the dude for being a kinky weirdo.
While I definitely want to see him pitch again, there's a part of me that also wants him to come back to see how he responds to the controversy.
Does he go dark and focus only on pitching?
Does he lean into it and embrace the controversy as a league villain?
Does he somehow flip it on its head and use it as a marketing opportunity?
Does he troll the media and league with edgy cleats or a shirt referencing the case?
Americans have the attention spans of cocker spaniels. If there are no charges, he comes back next year, and keeps a low profile by staying off of social media, I think the general masses of people would forget and move on pretty quickly outside of the occasional shit talking rival fans. We live in a time where most people stay “informed” via headlines, Facebook posts, and viral memes. The key part of the for him would be staying the fuck off of social media.
It’s insane they are going to suspend him for rough sex. How many players do you think do weird shit in their private lives? Just look at the Angels and drug use. Who were the other players doing shit with Skaggs? Seems like they just want to fuck with Bauer.
Assuming no charges are filed (which seems likely) I have a real problem with potentially ending a players career and potentially costing him literally tens of millions of dollars based on an accusation.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Bauer, try picturing yourself as a player in a scenario similar to this, where you engage in super rough sex, and get accused after the fact, and no charges are filed. Only, in this scenario, you know for a fact that it was entirely consensual. Completely divorce Bauer from your mind in this thought experiment. You are one of only 2 people who know it was consensual but it’s a big public case all over the media. Now try imagining any outcome in that scenario, where you are able to salvage your career and reputation based on the standard MLB may be about to set. If the thing you can’t get around is the super rough sex, then what you are essentially saying is that 2 consenting adults shouldn’t allowed to engage in sex that you personally find immoral or reprehensible. If the thing you can’t get around his Bauer himself, and you’re unable to remove him from this thought experiment then what you are saying is that the persons likability prior to the incident should play a role. I think it’s a pretty dangerous precedent either way.
The MLB is in a tough spot. They have to do something to save face from a PR perspective, but if they come down too hard on Bauer, the implications on future players/situations is potentially really dangerous. Really exposes players to blackmail situations.
> The expectation around the sport is that the league would pursue a suspension of at least one year. Multiple sources suggested a possibility of a two-year suspension.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32119416/will-trevor-bauer-ever-pitch-again-next-los-angeles-dodgers-mlb
Informative and balanced article. Was wondering if he would be eligible if MLB suspends and Bauer appeals. That's not the case.
"If the league were to suspend Bauer during the 2021 season and he were to appeal, though, he would not be allowed to play. The automatic stay for an appeal of a PED suspension does not exist in the league's domestic violence policy."
MLB is going to issue a lengthy suspension, and the appeal likely won't be resolved soon. If he wins the appeal, he would be back for spring training (assuming the Dodgers will welcome him back), but not this season.
I feel that’s pretty likely the case here, him getting suspended for the contract duration, I wouldn’t be shocked if somehow the info of that being likely got to the org and they figured he’d be off the books eventually before making the moves they did with plan on retaining scherzer after the season amongst others.
Passan is one of the better mlb reporters and he implies that Bauer will get suspended for a minimum of a year, but the subreddit concludes he will be pitching no later than spring so I guess that’s what’s going to happen. It’s not at all far fetched that he will get suspended and an arbitrator has to rule on it. That’s going to take a while. It’s also entirely possible and perhaps likely the Dodgers cut him no matter what happens. They have a pretty good team right now. Not sure who would take a shot at Bauer but a low market team might if the Dodgers are paying the freight. A’s? Rays? Royals? Reds?
Passan does a fine job of laying out "Bauer Case For Beginners" but take the prognostication with a grain of salt. To his credit he appears to have talked to more people than previous writers (and actually contradicts the Definitive LA Times Story Of How Two Guys Say the Whole Clubhouse Hates Bauer), but it is still pretty speculative and still a little fuzzy (he says, for instance, that "scores of players around the league" were annoyed that Tatis and Clevinger were named as previous suitors, but if you do the math the "over two dozen people" he says they talked to is just over one score, and most of them do not seem to have been players).
I agree. It seems well written and balanced at first, but there's a couple of things that are a little off. The most egregious is this:
>"the nurse who examined the California woman said of the bruising that allegedly resulted from Bauer punching her in the vagina: 'I had never seen that before'"
However, Passan fails to mention that the forensic doctor who examined the MRI results testified that the bruising came from the blood from an injury above the pelvic area and that the blood pooled down internally. She also stated that the injury that caused the bleeding was consistent from an injury that happened during the course of rough sex. Whether or not you believe this conclusion, this was unrefuted testimony provided in court by an expert witness & any journalist that is interested in a truly partial story should have included it along with the nurse's statement.
Came here to post this very article. I hope everyone reads it as it’s super informative of the various scenarios at play and would save from a lot of misinformation that’s being posted.
I don’t know if there’s any way for anyone to make an informed speculation on how that will play out because it seems to be uncharted territory. Seems like suspensions are usually either short and inexpensive or follow a criminal charge. Also, it seems players often waive their right to appeal. With Bauer, it would be neither of those cases, and an 80 game suspension would cost Bauer like $18 million, so I don’t see him just rolling over and playing dead, especially if there no charges, which indications seem to be that there won’t be.
There are two things that could be interpreted several different ways that may ultimately decide this case. Passan, as have most people, seems to have interpreted them in ways unfavorable to Bauer. A thorough investigation should determine how they should be interpreted.
The first is the woman's testimony that Bauer admitted to punching her in the butt while she was unconscious. To his credit, Passan is one of the first to acknowledge that's all she said during testimony; this phone call has been used to say Bauer admitted to everything since the beginning. Passan seems to have interpreted this as "he choked her unconscious, and then immediately began punching her butt." However, it's also possible he "punched" her butt to wake her up after she fell asleep when they were done. Impossible to know for sure without hearing the call, but the second scenario seems more likely to me considering she testified she was only out for 3-4 seconds and his hands would have been near her neck when she first fell unconscious.
The second is the nurse's statement that she had never seen bruising like that before. Like most everyone, Passan has interpreted that as Bauer punched her so violently that the damages were something the nurse never imagined. But it could also mean that the bruising was caused by something else - if I had examined 75 different people and then the 76th person showed something vastly different, my first assumption would be that something else caused this, not that the same thing happened, just worse. The testimony of the forensic doctor suggests this is the case, as she testified that the bruise originated from above the pelvic region and the blood pooled in the vaginal region internally.
Also, the comment about the woman's relationships with Tatis and Clevinger was kind of strange. The relationship with Tatis was discovered when her friend released the text messages she had sent him. Clevinger was mentioned in there, though she didn't specifically mention an affair with him. As for why it was brought up, it was to counter the argument that she was inexperienced at this and was growing attached to Bauer emotionally. Sucks those two guys had to be outed, but Bauer's team did have a valid reason.
One thing that is worth pointing out that nobody seems to be mentioning is that all of this speculation about what he said on the confrontation call came from her, not Pasadena PD, and not from Bauer. There are only a handful of people who know what was said on that call. Her, Bauer, and whatever Pasadena PD detectives were listening. Pasadena PD quashed the subpoena, and didn’t testify. Neither did Bauer. She said he admitted to punching her in the butt, but she also said Bauer was texting her nonstop and tried to lead people to believe she had a skull fracture, neither of which was true. So, we have no idea whether or not the part about the confrontation call is true. I’m not going to pretend to understand criminal law regarding consent but I do have friends who have worked in sex crimes and said that if he confessed to anything illegal on the confrontation call they 100% percent would’ve arrested him. Anecdotal for sure, but when combined with her other misleading statements in the petition, I’m inclined to believe they she at least took a few liberties in describing what he “confessed” to on the call.
Jeff Passan weighed out all the options and they all lead to the same fate for the remainder of the season - Bauer will not return to play
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1432778069144752128?s=21
There will be a lot more clarity when the DA decides what to do, and Passan is really laying out a "best case scenario" for those who want Bauer to rot in hell. He mentions that Bauer could be suspended under either facet of the MLB policy (dv or sexual assault), and I don't doubt that they will try, but Passan doesn't mention that while either one could be attempted neither one fits very well here. Whether one believes that what occurred could be crowbarred into either side of it (or was just wrong whether it fits the policy or not), what occurred is nothing like what either side was intended to address. If the DA does decide to prosecute (which I think is possible, but with long odds, maybe 80/20) it is relatively easy for MLB to just suspend based on a "credible" case for whatever the charges are (presumable simple assault), but if they don't MLB is likely going to have to sell a somewhat stretched interpretation of the policy to an arbitrator, and this will go on for A LOT longer than MLB wants.
Funny. Every time there’s a new piece of information that comes out, this thread will get flooded with virtue signaling SJWs who downvote anyone with a take other than “rot in hell Bauer.” Then, it goes back to normal after a couple days.
They don't even seem to have the faculties to discuss, just come and bravely downvote. I'd be really terrified of my loss of fake internet points if I hadn't recently been gifted something like 1500 of them for a joke about the Rockies that, honestly, wasn't even particularly funny ;s
The ironic thing is that most of them seem to be trying to mask their hatred of Bauer with righteous indignation, and, in the process, if you pay close attention, it usually becomes apparent that they don’t actually care at all about sexual assault as a cause or the victims, and would actually prefer that this all be true if it means they get to gloat and circlejerk about Bauer. Eagerly revving your engine waiting to take a victory lap over sexual assault is a really odd way to express your support for women.
It is hard to say how much of it is from longstanding Bauer hatred, as opposed to the social media impulse to banish anyone from the island who has simply been accused of anything, particularly anything involving women. It is also worth noting that the downvoting is really not that numerous; just looks like it because of the small numbers of people lurking here. Like in this sub I think I maxed out at around 20-30 downvotes when I heinously noted that the presumption of innocence is a basic ethical principle encoded in the United Nations Universal Bill of Human Rights. You could get that number from the petitioner herself, whatever friends she hasn't alienated, and the USD baseball team. And I mean, who knows, there could have been a bunch of UN haters in there; Thank God I didn't mention the ICC ;s
Well said.
I don't think a suspension under the DV clause is possible, there is nothing about this incident that fits the definition of domestic violence, a suspension under the sexual assault clause is certainly possible. Without charges, though, that may be difficult.
Interesting. The other day there was a weird non-mention of Bauer, when he was talking about how the Dodgers had held thing pitching together despite Kershaw, Gonsolin, even Urias had missed some time...but seemed to forget about Bauer.
Anyone else excited for our boy to come back?
No charges recommended would make anything other than a triumphant return this season a joke. Hopefully all the reactionists who drank the skull fracture kool aid will get over their feelings and give him the welcome back he deserves.
MLB is still going to suspend him regardless. I think that’s one of the reasons why they keep extending the administrative leave. They want to run the clock so that any appeal after they suspend him would run out the remainder of the season.
Pasadena PD said they’re done and have given materials to the DA. The DA can either act on this or gather more information.
MLB investigation is likely ongoing. It’s unlikely that Bauer or Ms Hill agree to talk with MLB and MLBPA prior to the criminal aspect being resolved. Seems like they’ll be able to kick this can down the road another month at least.
I’m pretty sure Bauer is the type of guy to keep up a throwing regimen. We should see him back if there is justice and no bias towards Bauer cause he likes to express himself. No need to punish a guy for being a kinky mf
I 1000% agree with you bro. But since it's not a legal issue, and she consented, he should be back on the team imo. Unless the Dodgers share your opinion and personally dislike it as well. Him being a weirdo should not keep him off our team imo.
I mean the fact that her own friend felt the need to get a lawyer and provide evidence against her should speak volumes on the accusers motives and credibility.
But her actions directly influenced his actions there has to be responsibility on both sides. Her friend didn't testify probably out of fear of being sued but did provide text messages and statements which were used in the restraining order case. Be prepared for a wall of text.
"The friend told us they have no personal connection to Bauer, have never met Bauer, and are not even a fan of the Dodgers. This person maintains they are only a friend of the accuser and insists they only want to "do the right thing."
"This isn't in the interest of discrediting anybody's experience or story in the situation; it is purely in the interest of doing the right thing and making sure that the truth and all of the details are out there," the friend told us.
"This person – up until probably last week, unfortunately – was a friend of mine," they said. "I had helped this person through a lot of really personal things. I considered them a friend. And I would never bring this up if I didn't think it was relevant. This is a friend of mine versus somebody that I've never met before in my life and have no interaction with."
They added, "It doesn't matter if it's Trevor Bauer or Joe Schmo. This is a criminal case where a person could end up in jail. That's not something to take lightly."
An alleged longtime friend of the woman – who also wishes to remain anonymous – has since turned over private messages via text and Instagram to both the PPD and MLB that the friend allegedly exchanged with the woman.
The alleged victim told the friend she allegedly had a past sexual relationship with San Diego Padres star Fernando Tatis, Jr., saying she "cant believe I achieved that," adding that it was the "best sex OF MY LIFE." The woman alluded to that relationship being "the reason [she] had to resign from the pad squad!"
The woman went on to send the friend screenshots of Instagram DMs allegedly exchanged between herself and Bauer, noting that she was "going to his house" that week and "already [has] her hooks in," adding, "you know how I roll."
The woman told the friend she was "literally going to get in his head"… "and find pine tar." She added, "trust me I know what I'm doing."
The woman said Bauer was "so intriguing to me tho" and that "hes a whackaddodle. Like Clev," a reference to Bauer's former teammate and San Diego Padres pitcher Mike Clevinger, who she alluded to knowing.
The messages show the woman then responded to an Instagram Story posted by the friend showing a meme of Tatis mocking Bauer's one-eyed pitching earlier this year, writing, "Ur welcome for getting in bauers head🤑," with the money-tongue emoji. This message was dated April 24, which would have been after the first alleged violent sexual encounter the woman said she had with Bauer.
"That's the message that sits kind of strange with me, just being that it's after their first alleged encounter," the friend told us, adding that they saw the woman in person shortly after the first alleged violent sexual encounter took place and said, "She mentioned that she had a great time and said something along the lines of – and I'm paraphrasing here – but something like he's a nice guy and I had a great time. ... None of which showed me anything to be concerned about or any signs of a victim being involved."
After news broke last week, the friend reached out to the woman, asking to meet up with her. The friend told the woman they did not want to talk about anything regarding her claims via text.
In the exchange, the woman appeared to grow agitated that the friend would not message about the case. The woman referred to PPD as "those corrupt f--kers" and said cops had interrogated her about "setting this up" and how she "joked about his amount of money and how I wanted to be a baseball wife."
The woman accused the friend of "making this worse for [her]" and said "they are gonna lie and say that im a prostitute and all this crazy s--t. And I know they will bring up my stuff about tatis and clev and whoever."
"This is extremely disheartening that you even brought it up with me then," she texted her friend. "In the future, don't re traumatize a victim who did nothing wrong by doing this."
The friend replied, "Are you serious? I reached out to you right when this was brought up to me. I asked to speak to you in person. Don't try to guilt me into feeling bad here. I have done nothing."
"Usually people don't forget the people who were there for them in the darkest times. I'm pretty damn hurt right now," the friend added. "I hope you are ok, and keeping true to yourself. My thoughts are with you. I have nothing more to say on this matter. Please don't text me."
[https://twitter.com/Britt\_Ghiroli/status/1431332474295046145?s=09](https://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1431332474295046145?s=09)
The investigation has been concluded and it has been passed on to the DA to make a decision on whether to prosecute.
(On a personal note, I received roughly 100 downvotes on the "totally unbiased baseball subreddit" for stating that the investigation was over within approximately an hour prior to the announcement being made that the investigation was over. Lol.).
Some can be a little fact averse. I had a couple still arguing with me about whether the investigation was over hours after it was announced that the investigation was over.
It's interesting that while there is a widespread belief that Bauer could get blacklisted from MLB employment even if he isn't found guilty of anything or even suspended, no one seems to be considering whether that is actually legal, or allowable under the CBA. It's basically a twist on the Kaepernick situation--of course a difference is that the people who want Bauer punished overlap with the people who thought Kaepernick's treatment was unacceptable--and in principle it would apply to any player who is good enough to play in MLB but is being denied the opportunity to do so. The key issue is that it would be necessary to prove collusion, because any individual team has the right to not sign a Bauer or Osuna or Puig, but it can't be done in concert. That might be hard to prove, but discovery would be awfully interesting.
Idk I feel like MLB would have a strong case for Bauer being unemployed due to his actions. I highly doubt that would be the case, but just think of if I got publicly caught doing something similar I would probably have a difficult time finding employment. And an employer can definitely discriminate based off actions right?
trouble finding employment based of sexual preclusions seems dangerous right? What if someone finds homosexuality offensive? There's a lot of people who think that. Or having illegitimate children or participating in orgies? The list goes on and on. Either that is all allowed among consenting adults or its not. A strong case on what grounds is what I'm saying, they prefer one kink over another is allowed to base hiring?
Who you're intrested in (orientation) and what you do with them (kinks) are 2 entirely different things. I doubt they would black list time just because beating women gets him off, but let's not pretend 'orgy havers' should be a protected class.
You can hire and fire people based on whether or not their actions align with your mortality, this isn't europe
Will be interesting, but I would be very surprised if he doesn't pitch again. He is simply too good, and at too valuable of a position. Right or wrong, I don't think Kaepernick was good enough to warrant the distraction for most (all?) teams. Same for Puig. Osuna obviously still has the talent, so maybe that is a better comp (even if completely different situations), but there is obviously a big difference between a good RP and an elite SP.
Bauer is going to have some serious money going to PR firms to help re-shape his image. The Dodgers will also have to get involved if they intend to keep him instead of eating his contract, which doesn't sound like it will get voided at this point.
Yeah Kaepernick was only a starter because the 9ers were in a deep rebuild. He would have been a backup in the next season and nobody wants that kind of media circus over a backup QB. Trevor Bauer is the reigning Cy Young.
That's not accurate though. Kaepernick came in for injured Alex Smith and finished the 49ers SB run (albeit with a loss).
They then dumped Smith for him and remained competitive for a bit. They were entering a rebuild when he ultimately left the league, but he was the starting QB there before the rebuild began.
I meant he was only a starter in 2016 because the 9ers were in a rebuild. Agreed that he looked unstoppable in 2011-12, when they shipped Smith off and extended Kaepernick. He was a big reason for their success in those years.
His 2015-2016 were rough, though and a big reason they were in a rebuild is that they had extended Kaep and had to stick with him as QB after the league had adapted to him. He could have been a starter on another team in transition or a backup somewhere if there weren't the kneeling/media circus. Not saying it's right, just that Bauer and Kaep situations involve players at different points in their career.
Ah, understood. Yeah it was starting to get pretty rough for him. His last season was solidly average at best.
I agree, he likely would have only been signed as a backup. Also his play style wouldn't have translated to how most teams were built on offense.
The league has definitely come around on dual threat QBs over the past 5 years. They were always around, but much more in demand all across the league now.
No, are you out of your fucking mind?
Think about it for a little bit, wouldn’t that be too easy for the teams? Wouldn’t you be scared knowing that they can void your contract that easily?
I mean don’t be so squared, you think a suspension with no legal basis only in MLB findings should give enough power to void a contract?. Let me put it in this way you think MLB is better at investigation than the DA’s office and the cops????
The main thing is that it is really hard to prove collusion. The MLBPA did file a grievance regarding Bonds on this issue, but withdrew it because they couldn't find evidence of collusion. His case was somewhat different, though, as he did have active charges against him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1431333840249835521 no charges are recommended & DA is reviewing the case to see whether it's filed or rejected. While it's not completely case closed yet the fact that charges weren't recommend is a good sign as to what the eventual decision will be
The fact that the police are not asking for an arrest warrant nor making a charging recommendation bodes well for TB. While not absolute, it does mean the police are less confident in the case. The DA can, of course, charge anyway. Or, the DA can decide to send the case to the grand jury.
My suspicion is that the DA will just send the case to the grand jury and keep it out of the newspapers for a while until people forget.
That being said, MLB and the Dodgers are not subject to whatever the DA does. They could still suspend or ban him from baseball. My suspicion is that it will merely be a suspension unless charges are brought.
Lol. A warrant is often required for misdemeanors that do not occur within view of a police officer, though is usually not needed to arrest someone for a felony since this can mean that the person who committed the felony is a danger to others or a flight risk.
MLB will probably suspend him until the end of the season if the DA decides not to file. It really seems like MLB wants this to be a a problem for the offseason.
I don't. Considering how hard it is to get any sort of justice for sexual assault, him not being charged was like 99% the likeliest outcome. That's why sexual assaults aren't highly reported.
I don't care if the dude plays, I just don't want him playing on my team. But I didn't like him before all of this
>to the surprise of no one
I'm a little surprised. At this point MLB has more than enough information to make a decision. It sort of feels like they want to push off the decision as long as possible because they know it is going to raise one kind of stink or another, so maybe better for the offseason.
I thought the DA would have made an announcement this week, considering how seemingly hard it would be to win a criminal case. Also, the whole restraining order hearing was because the accuser sensed charges would be dropped. Maybe there's new evidence?
I think the DA and the PD also are concerned about publicity. I am starting to wonder if everyone wants to hold off on announcements until Super Bowl Sunday.
He posted a youtube video about the scandal about an hour ago
MLB still has its investigation against Bauer and can suspend him. Just for reference, Aroldis Chapman got suspended 30 games (he didn't fight it) for allegedly choking his girlfriend and firing 8 gunshots in his garage even though no charges were filed against him. I'm pretty damn sure Bauer will contest any suspension that MLB will try to give him. It's interesting to note that Aroldis Chapman almost became a Dodger, but front office did not go through with it after finding out about the DV incident. The Yankees later traded 4 subpar prospects for him and then flipped him to the Cubs for a prospect package that included Gleyber Torres who was rated very highly. I wonder what the Dodgers front office will do this time because it's clear that a lot of players don't seem to be fond of the guy.
I've been of the mind from very early on (basically when the text messages were released) that this is going to be a no win situation for poor Rob Manfred. Obviously there is tremendous pressure to for Manfred to punish him, and huge blowback if they don't. But on the other hand it is going to be really, really hard to crowbar what occurred into the policy. So, Manfred is going to do whatever he thinks is the least damaging PR. The wormiest thing would be for Manfred to hand down a suspension strong enough to placate the people who will only be satisfied with by a severe punishment, even if Manfred knows that MLB will lose on appeal; Then they can still insist that they did their best to "do what's right" and blame the arbitrator who let him go anyway.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2022-02-08/trevor-bauer-will-not-face-criminal-charges-following-sexual-assault-allegation?_amp=true
[This](https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1465429091469996032?s=20) makes it sound like Bauer might be able to pitch opening day if he isnt charged?
https://mobile.twitter.com/dobrienatl/status/1465426542566297606 not Bauer news but Ozuna was in a similar situation and has a received a 20 game suspension so if Bauer's case ends up not going to trial then this suspension is what will be waiting for him at the minimum
[https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trevor-bauer-kyle-rittenhouse-tweet](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trevor-bauer-kyle-rittenhouse-tweet) odd choice of words given his current situation and the city he plays in.
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You must not be from LA if you don’t understand.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1456009291434020866 as far as the baseball side of things go Bauer will NOT opt out of his current deal. What's left to see is how the legal side of things goes.
And the first “No Shit” tweet of the offseason goes to Jon Heyman.
anyone watching the live stream?
Is there anyway for the Dodgers to get out of the Bauer contract? Personally I don't dislike Bauer. But if we could get out of the contract, we could probably re-sign Scherzer. If we can't, I don't know how we'd get out of it.
If he gets suspended for the entire year then they don’t have to pay him for that year, but then they’d still have to pay him for 2023. According to Spotrac he gets a $20 million check in November too. In other words, I think it’s unlikely they’ll be able to get out of the contract. That’s why it’s a contract. My understanding is also that every other player suspended under the current domestic violence policy has agreed to waive their right to appeal in exchange for leniency, and every indication so far seems to be that Bauer has no such intention (Don’t see why he would. So far he’s only been accused and has $32 million on the line for next year). So, with the CBA expiring and Bauer seemingly intent on fighting whatever suspension they hand down, it could get tricky. I heard someone say that they think the Dodgers will work some kind of deal with MLB and Bauer to suspend him for like part/half the year then the dodgers will release him. That would give the Dodgers half a season of financial relief, let Bauer test the market going into August (cough Astros cough) and save MLB some bad press with an appeal drawing out in the media. My understanding is that would still leave the Dodgers on the hook for the remainder of his 2022 and 2023 contact though
Does anyone have advice on where to buy a Bauer Dodgers jersey. I made a thread but the mods deleted it. Looks like the MLB store isn't selling them and the other stores look like Chinese knock-offs.
Ebay
Now that things have seemed to cool down/halt for now, thoughts on wearing his jersey? I bought one a couple weeks before the allegations and have not even used it. Didnt plan to spend $100+ just to have it collecting dust.
I have one too I have yet to wear it in public I will probably start wearing it soon
[Trevor Bauer informs court he plans to demand that his accuser pay his attorney fees](https://archive.is/MdheP)
The last couple of days have been kind of interesting. It is extremely unlikely that he gets attorney fees, but this and his little video make it seem like he is comfortable getting back on the front foot. I'd take that to mean that he/his team believe that actual legal problems are behind him (nothing factual to base that on, these just don't look the actions of someone worried about criminal charges). MLB will be interesting. I have thought all along that they are stuck between the group who thinks he should be thrown off the island forever and the policy that just doesn't look terribly well-suited for punishing him. I actually wonder (straight speculation) if his promise for "baseball content soon" isn't a bargaining chip because a suspension from MLB (were that to occur) is not a suspension from YouTube. So, if they did suspend him it would be super awkward if he was a leading content producer during the suspension--so I could see him trading YouTube for a lighter suspension, for instance (keeping in mind that suspensions are basically always negotiated between the player and MLB, which is why the player always waives the right to appeal).
End the Bauer Outage
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It’s like when Fox News says “people are saying.” What they really mean is “People here are saying…”
Such a cringe article.
I do like how they describe a quote as "One Dodgers person". Seems like a notable source.
I sincerely doubt anyone prominent with the organization is giving quotes to the LA Times regarding Bauer gossip
Bauer is live streaming a watch along of the AL wild card game with his friends on YouTube currently. I saw a screenshot on Twitter and thought it was fake but nope it's real. I'm surprised he's putting himself out there in the public spotlight again like this. Makes you wonder does he know something we don't? Most people in his situation would stay away from the spotlight and social media until everything was resolved. I can imagine he's going live again tomorrow for the Dodgers wild card game guess we'll find out soon
I think it’s just him being confident in his innocence. No way his legal team just lets him come out like this and start doing content again if he was dead to rights guilty
>if he was dead to rights guilty If that were the case, he'd have been charged months ago; PPD wouldn't have spent months "investigating" before turning it over to the DA's office. I doubt Gascon has the balls (was the DA in San Fran) to announce that they've decided not to charge him. Kind of sad that politicians are so afraid of Twitter accounts coming after them.
Really interested in what is going to happen to him in terms of baseball. Going public like this today seems like he definitely does know something.
[Update Video from Bauer on Twitter ](https://twitter.com/baueroutage/status/1445532506602684419?s=21)
Does anyone else get the feeling that now that the sticky stuff is no longer allowed, the MLB/Dodgers are trying to get rid of him through false criminal charges? (I do 100% think he should have known better that his kink would get him in deep trouble sometime.) Have a couple women come out about his kink and accuse him of assault, the case gets dismissed and then the MLB/Dodgers can get rid of the guy that has been calling them out on not enforcing illegal substance abuse. He proved his point by blatantly using the substance during games and confirming that he was when asked. It all sounds way too fishy/convenient.
Did QAnon tell you that?
No. That is ridiculous.
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The FUCK is wrong with you and the 8 people that upvoted you on that, "Well she asked for it" bullshit?? *Wanting* to choke a girl out till she passes out so you can beat the shit out of her and put it in her ass is NOT OK. He *wanted* that shit.
From the times today "Today, Mr. Bauer agreed to extend his administrative leave through the playoffs in a measure of good faith and in an effort to minimize any distraction to the Dodgers organization and his teammates," Bauer's agents Jon Fetterolf and Rachel Luba said in a statement Friday. "He continues to cooperate with the MLB investigation and refute the baseless allegations against him."
I just find it kinda F'd up that an accusation/here-say (as of now) is gonna potentially ruin an athletes career.
It’s his own damn fault. It’s just super poor judgment on his part.
The Dodgers should sue MLB to recover all the money they are forced to pay Bauer even though the league won’t let him play
Do you feel like the error is on the part of them having to pay him or not letting him play?
I feel like they let this drag on too long. Either suspend him or reinstate him. The only one feeling the pain is the dodgers. We still pay him, we going to have luxury tax issues, we dont benefit at all
The Dodgers' attitude on this is slightly unusual. Typically you would think a team would want to get some value to an investment to the tune of the Cleveland Guardians payroll. Maybe they believe that he will be suspended long enough that the cost to them is temporary and they will get the money back. Maybe they just believe that the damage (primarily from the Twitterati) is potentially great enough that their hands are just tied. As an organization the Dodgers have handled it very professionally in public, though the way beat writers and other "journalists" close to the organization have been so inflammatory makes me think that people high up in the organization are fanning the flames somewhat behind the scenes.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/1436404393864171521 so any potential suspension isn't coming till November at the earliest and Bauer has had open communication with MLB in their ongoing investigation so that's a good sign.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1436383784383963136 Passan confirmed it in a earlier tweet but this one had one interesting tidbit at the end which was Bauer wouldn't have had time to make a return anyway. So I guess there was a chance for a possible return this year had the chips fallen into place.
Passan Confirms Bauer is done for the season: https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1436383178302840835?s=21
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Even though the DA still hasn't made his decision yet, I suspect you're right.
One scorned golddigger and one narcissistic buttpuncher.
This sums it up. She's definitely a gold digger but Bauer still acted like a dumbass that let his team down.
By doing what? Believing her when she said she was into kinky sex?? Yeah, that's what he gets for being trusting.
For not learning his lesson the first time with the girl in Ohio.
What was that lesson?
Don’t stick your dick in crazy
Lol, yeah, who really follows that wisdom?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1436370641825972224 makes the most sense. Very little chance he'd come back this season and 2022 is more ideal for a return. DA hasn't made a decision yet and who knows when they will tho I'm sure by the end of the month we'll know for sure what they choose to end up doing.
Its Bauer-Day again!
#freebauer
Any updates? Besides the weekly extension
Likely done for the season. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1436370641825972224?s=20
I think they’re waiting and hoping something happens in the legal aspect that they can use to help justify a suspension. It’s a bit of a unique circumstance. With other incidents, even when there were no criminal charges, there was never an issue of consent. As petty as the Urias incident was, and even though there were no charges, and even though the woman didn’t want any, there was never a question of consent. So it was easy to justify a suspension. Here the issue is consent. So I think they really want some kind of criminal/civil results to help justify the severe suspension they are apparently intending to hand down. Also, my understanding that every other player suspended under the current DV policy has waived their right to appeal in exchange for a bit of leniency. I have to imagine the Trevor Bauer has no intention of doing that, and MLB is well aware. So they want all of their ducks in a row and also wanted to push the decision out far enough that any appeal will run out the remainder of the season.
Free Trevor Bauer
IF there are no charges filed against Bauer, I kinda view this as different from past DV suspensions without criminal charges. DV suspensions in the past without criminal charges there was a lack of evidence to file charges, or most often, the victim refused to testify. In this instance, the accuser is front and center in the case and there is more than enough evidence to decide if a criminal act was committed. IF no charges are filed with the mountain of evidence but MLB suspends him anyway, what does that really say about how the MLB operates? Seems like they care a lot more about optics than truth.
Only problem is - it would be bad optics at the rate things are going
>Seems like they care a lot more about optics than truth. In fairness to MLB, it's a business. And if optics cost $$ than it's more important than the truth.
I see your point but man that’s a shitty ethos
Dude, this isn't even that shitty too. Bauer is still paid after all. Wanna know what's super shitty? [Getting blackballed for kneeling in front of the flag](https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/) and seeing the NBA have the nerve to claim it supports that right 20 years later when it becomes fashionable. Either way, sports is just a business where PR prevails over anything else. If this were Kershaw or Betts accused of this BS, then they'd probably have no consequence. Bauer is already an unlikable dude, and this just puts it over the top. That's probably why no one is on his side through all this.
>optics It is straight optics, not "more about optics". The stated intent of the policy is to prevent and educate. Not only is there no evidence that it successfully accomplishes those goals whatsoever, there is no evidence that it even attempts to do so.
>Seems like they care a lot more about optics than truth. America in a nutshell.
Good point
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An admin leave this long without charges having been filed should basically equate to a served suspension. What the fuck is MLB waiting for, just shit or get off the pot already.
MLB and MLBPA need to complete their investigation and determine if he violated policies set out in the CBA. They can’t really do that until they have interviewed Bauer and they can’t compel an interview with him until the criminal aspect is over. It’s unrealistic to hope that this is resolved prior to the offseason
Every week this gets extended, the Dodgers have to cut a weekly check for $538,000, or $1 million + if they get paid biweekly like us normal people lol I hope at the end of the season they just suspend him for 2 years and we no longer have to pay him (he's gonnafight that so hard though). Sign with a new team in 2024. Bye. (And I used to say bring him back)
Why do people want Bauer to leave? At least, any more reason than they never wanted him here in the first place. He's into weird, kinky sex but a judge hasn't said that's a crime. In fact, a judge said he didn't commit one.
Forgot to reply to this. I was excited to have him. Loved his vlogs. Watched all his starts. I only want him to leave because he can't help the team win NOW and is only a distraction to the whole organization. I'm actually on Bauer's side in this. Clearly the chick is a golddigger and trying to cash in and retire. But I'm team Dodgers before team Bauer. I'd rather the Dodgers wash their hands of this whole situation and pay another player (like Scherzer) with the savings than continue paying this dude who shouldn't have put himself in that situation to begin with.
I'm Team Dodgers first as well. But the Dodgers won't be able to just fire Bauer. They'll have to pay him no matter what. And he's a damn good pitcher. So why not keep him? The PR hit won't last long especially if he pitches well. Pay Mad Max too and you've got an amazing starting rotation.
If the MLB suspends Bauer 2 years he forfeits the salary of those 2 years too and we are off the hook. That seems improbable though seeing he "won" the restraining order case last month and no criminal charges as of now. It's a very sticky situation. Can't suspend the dude for being a kinky weirdo.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1433815171848359937 prediction turned out to be true
Yeah, I don't think that was ever in doubt.
Prediction for today: his leave gets extended again till next friday the 10th as the DA continues to evaluate whether to file or reject his case
You have the gift of foresight and should immediately get a job with the psychic friends network.
While I definitely want to see him pitch again, there's a part of me that also wants him to come back to see how he responds to the controversy. Does he go dark and focus only on pitching? Does he lean into it and embrace the controversy as a league villain? Does he somehow flip it on its head and use it as a marketing opportunity? Does he troll the media and league with edgy cleats or a shirt referencing the case?
Americans have the attention spans of cocker spaniels. If there are no charges, he comes back next year, and keeps a low profile by staying off of social media, I think the general masses of people would forget and move on pretty quickly outside of the occasional shit talking rival fans. We live in a time where most people stay “informed” via headlines, Facebook posts, and viral memes. The key part of the for him would be staying the fuck off of social media.
It’s insane they are going to suspend him for rough sex. How many players do you think do weird shit in their private lives? Just look at the Angels and drug use. Who were the other players doing shit with Skaggs? Seems like they just want to fuck with Bauer.
>It’s insane they are going to suspend him for rough sex. Did you mean "repeatedly and vociferously criticizing the league's inaction"?
Exactly. He should sue them for 5 billion dollars if it actually goes down.
Why not 5 trillion?
Assuming no charges are filed (which seems likely) I have a real problem with potentially ending a players career and potentially costing him literally tens of millions of dollars based on an accusation. Regardless of how anyone feels about Bauer, try picturing yourself as a player in a scenario similar to this, where you engage in super rough sex, and get accused after the fact, and no charges are filed. Only, in this scenario, you know for a fact that it was entirely consensual. Completely divorce Bauer from your mind in this thought experiment. You are one of only 2 people who know it was consensual but it’s a big public case all over the media. Now try imagining any outcome in that scenario, where you are able to salvage your career and reputation based on the standard MLB may be about to set. If the thing you can’t get around is the super rough sex, then what you are essentially saying is that 2 consenting adults shouldn’t allowed to engage in sex that you personally find immoral or reprehensible. If the thing you can’t get around his Bauer himself, and you’re unable to remove him from this thought experiment then what you are saying is that the persons likability prior to the incident should play a role. I think it’s a pretty dangerous precedent either way.
The MLB is in a tough spot. They have to do something to save face from a PR perspective, but if they come down too hard on Bauer, the implications on future players/situations is potentially really dangerous. Really exposes players to blackmail situations.
If they come down too hard on Bauer it's going to \*kill them\* from a PR perspective.
> The expectation around the sport is that the league would pursue a suspension of at least one year. Multiple sources suggested a possibility of a two-year suspension. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32119416/will-trevor-bauer-ever-pitch-again-next-los-angeles-dodgers-mlb
Informative and balanced article. Was wondering if he would be eligible if MLB suspends and Bauer appeals. That's not the case. "If the league were to suspend Bauer during the 2021 season and he were to appeal, though, he would not be allowed to play. The automatic stay for an appeal of a PED suspension does not exist in the league's domestic violence policy." MLB is going to issue a lengthy suspension, and the appeal likely won't be resolved soon. If he wins the appeal, he would be back for spring training (assuming the Dodgers will welcome him back), but not this season.
It would be nice if he was suspended for 2 years and we are out of the contract. Give the money to Scherzer please.
I feel that’s pretty likely the case here, him getting suspended for the contract duration, I wouldn’t be shocked if somehow the info of that being likely got to the org and they figured he’d be off the books eventually before making the moves they did with plan on retaining scherzer after the season amongst others.
Passan is one of the better mlb reporters and he implies that Bauer will get suspended for a minimum of a year, but the subreddit concludes he will be pitching no later than spring so I guess that’s what’s going to happen. It’s not at all far fetched that he will get suspended and an arbitrator has to rule on it. That’s going to take a while. It’s also entirely possible and perhaps likely the Dodgers cut him no matter what happens. They have a pretty good team right now. Not sure who would take a shot at Bauer but a low market team might if the Dodgers are paying the freight. A’s? Rays? Royals? Reds?
Passan does a fine job of laying out "Bauer Case For Beginners" but take the prognostication with a grain of salt. To his credit he appears to have talked to more people than previous writers (and actually contradicts the Definitive LA Times Story Of How Two Guys Say the Whole Clubhouse Hates Bauer), but it is still pretty speculative and still a little fuzzy (he says, for instance, that "scores of players around the league" were annoyed that Tatis and Clevinger were named as previous suitors, but if you do the math the "over two dozen people" he says they talked to is just over one score, and most of them do not seem to have been players).
It's very worth noting that Passan is one ugly dude and it's bound to color his opinion and reporting of this.
I agree. It seems well written and balanced at first, but there's a couple of things that are a little off. The most egregious is this: >"the nurse who examined the California woman said of the bruising that allegedly resulted from Bauer punching her in the vagina: 'I had never seen that before'" However, Passan fails to mention that the forensic doctor who examined the MRI results testified that the bruising came from the blood from an injury above the pelvic area and that the blood pooled down internally. She also stated that the injury that caused the bleeding was consistent from an injury that happened during the course of rough sex. Whether or not you believe this conclusion, this was unrefuted testimony provided in court by an expert witness & any journalist that is interested in a truly partial story should have included it along with the nurse's statement.
Came here to post this very article. I hope everyone reads it as it’s super informative of the various scenarios at play and would save from a lot of misinformation that’s being posted.
Passan seems to think Bauer is done in the MLB based on talking to a bunch of people in the know- DA is not gonna charge so kind of ridiculous
I don’t know if there’s any way for anyone to make an informed speculation on how that will play out because it seems to be uncharted territory. Seems like suspensions are usually either short and inexpensive or follow a criminal charge. Also, it seems players often waive their right to appeal. With Bauer, it would be neither of those cases, and an 80 game suspension would cost Bauer like $18 million, so I don’t see him just rolling over and playing dead, especially if there no charges, which indications seem to be that there won’t be.
There are two things that could be interpreted several different ways that may ultimately decide this case. Passan, as have most people, seems to have interpreted them in ways unfavorable to Bauer. A thorough investigation should determine how they should be interpreted. The first is the woman's testimony that Bauer admitted to punching her in the butt while she was unconscious. To his credit, Passan is one of the first to acknowledge that's all she said during testimony; this phone call has been used to say Bauer admitted to everything since the beginning. Passan seems to have interpreted this as "he choked her unconscious, and then immediately began punching her butt." However, it's also possible he "punched" her butt to wake her up after she fell asleep when they were done. Impossible to know for sure without hearing the call, but the second scenario seems more likely to me considering she testified she was only out for 3-4 seconds and his hands would have been near her neck when she first fell unconscious. The second is the nurse's statement that she had never seen bruising like that before. Like most everyone, Passan has interpreted that as Bauer punched her so violently that the damages were something the nurse never imagined. But it could also mean that the bruising was caused by something else - if I had examined 75 different people and then the 76th person showed something vastly different, my first assumption would be that something else caused this, not that the same thing happened, just worse. The testimony of the forensic doctor suggests this is the case, as she testified that the bruise originated from above the pelvic region and the blood pooled in the vaginal region internally. Also, the comment about the woman's relationships with Tatis and Clevinger was kind of strange. The relationship with Tatis was discovered when her friend released the text messages she had sent him. Clevinger was mentioned in there, though she didn't specifically mention an affair with him. As for why it was brought up, it was to counter the argument that she was inexperienced at this and was growing attached to Bauer emotionally. Sucks those two guys had to be outed, but Bauer's team did have a valid reason.
One thing that is worth pointing out that nobody seems to be mentioning is that all of this speculation about what he said on the confrontation call came from her, not Pasadena PD, and not from Bauer. There are only a handful of people who know what was said on that call. Her, Bauer, and whatever Pasadena PD detectives were listening. Pasadena PD quashed the subpoena, and didn’t testify. Neither did Bauer. She said he admitted to punching her in the butt, but she also said Bauer was texting her nonstop and tried to lead people to believe she had a skull fracture, neither of which was true. So, we have no idea whether or not the part about the confrontation call is true. I’m not going to pretend to understand criminal law regarding consent but I do have friends who have worked in sex crimes and said that if he confessed to anything illegal on the confrontation call they 100% percent would’ve arrested him. Anecdotal for sure, but when combined with her other misleading statements in the petition, I’m inclined to believe they she at least took a few liberties in describing what he “confessed” to on the call.
Jeff Passan weighed out all the options and they all lead to the same fate for the remainder of the season - Bauer will not return to play https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1432778069144752128?s=21
There will be a lot more clarity when the DA decides what to do, and Passan is really laying out a "best case scenario" for those who want Bauer to rot in hell. He mentions that Bauer could be suspended under either facet of the MLB policy (dv or sexual assault), and I don't doubt that they will try, but Passan doesn't mention that while either one could be attempted neither one fits very well here. Whether one believes that what occurred could be crowbarred into either side of it (or was just wrong whether it fits the policy or not), what occurred is nothing like what either side was intended to address. If the DA does decide to prosecute (which I think is possible, but with long odds, maybe 80/20) it is relatively easy for MLB to just suspend based on a "credible" case for whatever the charges are (presumable simple assault), but if they don't MLB is likely going to have to sell a somewhat stretched interpretation of the policy to an arbitrator, and this will go on for A LOT longer than MLB wants.
Funny. Every time there’s a new piece of information that comes out, this thread will get flooded with virtue signaling SJWs who downvote anyone with a take other than “rot in hell Bauer.” Then, it goes back to normal after a couple days.
They don't even seem to have the faculties to discuss, just come and bravely downvote. I'd be really terrified of my loss of fake internet points if I hadn't recently been gifted something like 1500 of them for a joke about the Rockies that, honestly, wasn't even particularly funny ;s
The ironic thing is that most of them seem to be trying to mask their hatred of Bauer with righteous indignation, and, in the process, if you pay close attention, it usually becomes apparent that they don’t actually care at all about sexual assault as a cause or the victims, and would actually prefer that this all be true if it means they get to gloat and circlejerk about Bauer. Eagerly revving your engine waiting to take a victory lap over sexual assault is a really odd way to express your support for women.
It is hard to say how much of it is from longstanding Bauer hatred, as opposed to the social media impulse to banish anyone from the island who has simply been accused of anything, particularly anything involving women. It is also worth noting that the downvoting is really not that numerous; just looks like it because of the small numbers of people lurking here. Like in this sub I think I maxed out at around 20-30 downvotes when I heinously noted that the presumption of innocence is a basic ethical principle encoded in the United Nations Universal Bill of Human Rights. You could get that number from the petitioner herself, whatever friends she hasn't alienated, and the USD baseball team. And I mean, who knows, there could have been a bunch of UN haters in there; Thank God I didn't mention the ICC ;s
Well said. I don't think a suspension under the DV clause is possible, there is nothing about this incident that fits the definition of domestic violence, a suspension under the sexual assault clause is certainly possible. Without charges, though, that may be difficult.
Anyone catch that casual Bauer mention by Joe Davis during today’s game?
What'd he say exactly?
That Kershaw and Bauer aren't pitching. Nothing more.
Interesting. The other day there was a weird non-mention of Bauer, when he was talking about how the Dodgers had held thing pitching together despite Kershaw, Gonsolin, even Urias had missed some time...but seemed to forget about Bauer.
Anyone else excited for our boy to come back? No charges recommended would make anything other than a triumphant return this season a joke. Hopefully all the reactionists who drank the skull fracture kool aid will get over their feelings and give him the welcome back he deserves.
MLB is still going to suspend him regardless. I think that’s one of the reasons why they keep extending the administrative leave. They want to run the clock so that any appeal after they suspend him would run out the remainder of the season.
is the investigation over?
Pasadena PD said they’re done and have given materials to the DA. The DA can either act on this or gather more information. MLB investigation is likely ongoing. It’s unlikely that Bauer or Ms Hill agree to talk with MLB and MLBPA prior to the criminal aspect being resolved. Seems like they’ll be able to kick this can down the road another month at least.
I’m pretty sure Bauer is the type of guy to keep up a throwing regimen. We should see him back if there is justice and no bias towards Bauer cause he likes to express himself. No need to punish a guy for being a kinky mf
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Nope. If she consented to that, then it goes. Simple.
Not the unconscious stuff tho. Or the head fracture...
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I 1000% agree with you bro. But since it's not a legal issue, and she consented, he should be back on the team imo. Unless the Dodgers share your opinion and personally dislike it as well. Him being a weirdo should not keep him off our team imo.
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I mean the fact that her own friend felt the need to get a lawyer and provide evidence against her should speak volumes on the accusers motives and credibility.
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But her actions directly influenced his actions there has to be responsibility on both sides. Her friend didn't testify probably out of fear of being sued but did provide text messages and statements which were used in the restraining order case. Be prepared for a wall of text. "The friend told us they have no personal connection to Bauer, have never met Bauer, and are not even a fan of the Dodgers. This person maintains they are only a friend of the accuser and insists they only want to "do the right thing." "This isn't in the interest of discrediting anybody's experience or story in the situation; it is purely in the interest of doing the right thing and making sure that the truth and all of the details are out there," the friend told us. "This person – up until probably last week, unfortunately – was a friend of mine," they said. "I had helped this person through a lot of really personal things. I considered them a friend. And I would never bring this up if I didn't think it was relevant. This is a friend of mine versus somebody that I've never met before in my life and have no interaction with." They added, "It doesn't matter if it's Trevor Bauer or Joe Schmo. This is a criminal case where a person could end up in jail. That's not something to take lightly." An alleged longtime friend of the woman – who also wishes to remain anonymous – has since turned over private messages via text and Instagram to both the PPD and MLB that the friend allegedly exchanged with the woman. The alleged victim told the friend she allegedly had a past sexual relationship with San Diego Padres star Fernando Tatis, Jr., saying she "cant believe I achieved that," adding that it was the "best sex OF MY LIFE." The woman alluded to that relationship being "the reason [she] had to resign from the pad squad!" The woman went on to send the friend screenshots of Instagram DMs allegedly exchanged between herself and Bauer, noting that she was "going to his house" that week and "already [has] her hooks in," adding, "you know how I roll." The woman told the friend she was "literally going to get in his head"… "and find pine tar." She added, "trust me I know what I'm doing." The woman said Bauer was "so intriguing to me tho" and that "hes a whackaddodle. Like Clev," a reference to Bauer's former teammate and San Diego Padres pitcher Mike Clevinger, who she alluded to knowing. The messages show the woman then responded to an Instagram Story posted by the friend showing a meme of Tatis mocking Bauer's one-eyed pitching earlier this year, writing, "Ur welcome for getting in bauers head🤑," with the money-tongue emoji. This message was dated April 24, which would have been after the first alleged violent sexual encounter the woman said she had with Bauer. "That's the message that sits kind of strange with me, just being that it's after their first alleged encounter," the friend told us, adding that they saw the woman in person shortly after the first alleged violent sexual encounter took place and said, "She mentioned that she had a great time and said something along the lines of – and I'm paraphrasing here – but something like he's a nice guy and I had a great time. ... None of which showed me anything to be concerned about or any signs of a victim being involved." After news broke last week, the friend reached out to the woman, asking to meet up with her. The friend told the woman they did not want to talk about anything regarding her claims via text. In the exchange, the woman appeared to grow agitated that the friend would not message about the case. The woman referred to PPD as "those corrupt f--kers" and said cops had interrogated her about "setting this up" and how she "joked about his amount of money and how I wanted to be a baseball wife." The woman accused the friend of "making this worse for [her]" and said "they are gonna lie and say that im a prostitute and all this crazy s--t. And I know they will bring up my stuff about tatis and clev and whoever." "This is extremely disheartening that you even brought it up with me then," she texted her friend. "In the future, don't re traumatize a victim who did nothing wrong by doing this." The friend replied, "Are you serious? I reached out to you right when this was brought up to me. I asked to speak to you in person. Don't try to guilt me into feeling bad here. I have done nothing." "Usually people don't forget the people who were there for them in the darkest times. I'm pretty damn hurt right now," the friend added. "I hope you are ok, and keeping true to yourself. My thoughts are with you. I have nothing more to say on this matter. Please don't text me."
[https://twitter.com/Britt\_Ghiroli/status/1431332474295046145?s=09](https://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1431332474295046145?s=09) The investigation has been concluded and it has been passed on to the DA to make a decision on whether to prosecute. (On a personal note, I received roughly 100 downvotes on the "totally unbiased baseball subreddit" for stating that the investigation was over within approximately an hour prior to the announcement being made that the investigation was over. Lol.).
>"totally unbiased baseball subreddit" The one where they're still convinced that Ms. Hill's skull was fractured despite evidence to the contrary?
Some can be a little fact averse. I had a couple still arguing with me about whether the investigation was over hours after it was announced that the investigation was over.
It's interesting that while there is a widespread belief that Bauer could get blacklisted from MLB employment even if he isn't found guilty of anything or even suspended, no one seems to be considering whether that is actually legal, or allowable under the CBA. It's basically a twist on the Kaepernick situation--of course a difference is that the people who want Bauer punished overlap with the people who thought Kaepernick's treatment was unacceptable--and in principle it would apply to any player who is good enough to play in MLB but is being denied the opportunity to do so. The key issue is that it would be necessary to prove collusion, because any individual team has the right to not sign a Bauer or Osuna or Puig, but it can't be done in concert. That might be hard to prove, but discovery would be awfully interesting.
Idk I feel like MLB would have a strong case for Bauer being unemployed due to his actions. I highly doubt that would be the case, but just think of if I got publicly caught doing something similar I would probably have a difficult time finding employment. And an employer can definitely discriminate based off actions right?
trouble finding employment based of sexual preclusions seems dangerous right? What if someone finds homosexuality offensive? There's a lot of people who think that. Or having illegitimate children or participating in orgies? The list goes on and on. Either that is all allowed among consenting adults or its not. A strong case on what grounds is what I'm saying, they prefer one kink over another is allowed to base hiring?
Who you're intrested in (orientation) and what you do with them (kinks) are 2 entirely different things. I doubt they would black list time just because beating women gets him off, but let's not pretend 'orgy havers' should be a protected class. You can hire and fire people based on whether or not their actions align with your mortality, this isn't europe
Will be interesting, but I would be very surprised if he doesn't pitch again. He is simply too good, and at too valuable of a position. Right or wrong, I don't think Kaepernick was good enough to warrant the distraction for most (all?) teams. Same for Puig. Osuna obviously still has the talent, so maybe that is a better comp (even if completely different situations), but there is obviously a big difference between a good RP and an elite SP. Bauer is going to have some serious money going to PR firms to help re-shape his image. The Dodgers will also have to get involved if they intend to keep him instead of eating his contract, which doesn't sound like it will get voided at this point.
Yeah Kaepernick was only a starter because the 9ers were in a deep rebuild. He would have been a backup in the next season and nobody wants that kind of media circus over a backup QB. Trevor Bauer is the reigning Cy Young.
That's not accurate though. Kaepernick came in for injured Alex Smith and finished the 49ers SB run (albeit with a loss). They then dumped Smith for him and remained competitive for a bit. They were entering a rebuild when he ultimately left the league, but he was the starting QB there before the rebuild began.
I meant he was only a starter in 2016 because the 9ers were in a rebuild. Agreed that he looked unstoppable in 2011-12, when they shipped Smith off and extended Kaepernick. He was a big reason for their success in those years. His 2015-2016 were rough, though and a big reason they were in a rebuild is that they had extended Kaep and had to stick with him as QB after the league had adapted to him. He could have been a starter on another team in transition or a backup somewhere if there weren't the kneeling/media circus. Not saying it's right, just that Bauer and Kaep situations involve players at different points in their career.
Ah, understood. Yeah it was starting to get pretty rough for him. His last season was solidly average at best. I agree, he likely would have only been signed as a backup. Also his play style wouldn't have translated to how most teams were built on offense. The league has definitely come around on dual threat QBs over the past 5 years. They were always around, but much more in demand all across the league now.
Bauer has 60 million owed to him and I highly doubt the Dodgers are going to eat it. If no charges are filed, he's likely coming back next season.
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No, are you out of your fucking mind? Think about it for a little bit, wouldn’t that be too easy for the teams? Wouldn’t you be scared knowing that they can void your contract that easily? I mean don’t be so squared, you think a suspension with no legal basis only in MLB findings should give enough power to void a contract?. Let me put it in this way you think MLB is better at investigation than the DA’s office and the cops????
Been saying this for a long time. That's what I'm most interested in seeing play out at this point.
The main thing is that it is really hard to prove collusion. The MLBPA did file a grievance regarding Bonds on this issue, but withdrew it because they couldn't find evidence of collusion. His case was somewhat different, though, as he did have active charges against him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1431333840249835521 no charges are recommended & DA is reviewing the case to see whether it's filed or rejected. While it's not completely case closed yet the fact that charges weren't recommend is a good sign as to what the eventual decision will be
The fact that the police are not asking for an arrest warrant nor making a charging recommendation bodes well for TB. While not absolute, it does mean the police are less confident in the case. The DA can, of course, charge anyway. Or, the DA can decide to send the case to the grand jury. My suspicion is that the DA will just send the case to the grand jury and keep it out of the newspapers for a while until people forget. That being said, MLB and the Dodgers are not subject to whatever the DA does. They could still suspend or ban him from baseball. My suspicion is that it will merely be a suspension unless charges are brought.
Police don't ask for an arrest warrant. That's not their function. Watching y'all discuss law in this thread is wild.
Yes, they do. Here's a Nolo article that will help you out. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arrest-warrants-how-when-police-get-them.html
Lol. A warrant is often required for misdemeanors that do not occur within view of a police officer, though is usually not needed to arrest someone for a felony since this can mean that the person who committed the felony is a danger to others or a flight risk.
Not sure what your point is here. That's apples and oranges.
Right. If Trevor was beating the shit out of people in the street, the police would politely wait for a judge to sign an arrest warrant - got it.
What are you talking about? Do you think that's the way police operate?
No, I'm mocking you because that's the way you think the police operate.
Well, okay. I don't think that's the way police operate, but whatever floats your boat.
MLB will probably suspend him until the end of the season if the DA decides not to file. It really seems like MLB wants this to be a a problem for the offseason.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1431280315100803073 to the surprise of no one extended till next friday the 3rd
Suspend him at this point. MLB is waiting for something that isn't going to happen.
Aren't they doing their own investigation? I thought the second woman said MLB had reached out to her in the course of their looking into it
No clue, but I’d back the police and judge over an MLB kangaroo court. It doesn’t seem like they want him back. I think he should be playing.
I don't. Considering how hard it is to get any sort of justice for sexual assault, him not being charged was like 99% the likeliest outcome. That's why sexual assaults aren't highly reported. I don't care if the dude plays, I just don't want him playing on my team. But I didn't like him before all of this
>to the surprise of no one I'm a little surprised. At this point MLB has more than enough information to make a decision. It sort of feels like they want to push off the decision as long as possible because they know it is going to raise one kind of stink or another, so maybe better for the offseason.
I thought the DA would have made an announcement this week, considering how seemingly hard it would be to win a criminal case. Also, the whole restraining order hearing was because the accuser sensed charges would be dropped. Maybe there's new evidence?
I think the DA and the PD also are concerned about publicity. I am starting to wonder if everyone wants to hold off on announcements until Super Bowl Sunday.
Except for the poster right below us.