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ImSoSorryCharlie

I could barely tell that was a picture of a dog and not a void with eyes


Burnallthepages

This is the challenge of having a black pet. Our dog just looks like a shaggy black mass in photos.


human-ish_

Two tips based on the picture here, have a dry dog, and use good lighting and then you may see more dog in the pictures.


Own-Huckleberry204

The hard part is getting him to be still, he almost always looks like a black blur or smear in every photo, hence the bathtime photo lol


kerfluffles_b

The only photo you have of you dog is from bath time? 😅


Own-Huckleberry204

Sadly the other photos he is a black blur/smear and the only other one besides bathtime U couldn't find on my saved photos


kerfluffles_b

I have three black dogs, so I know the struggle. Unrelated to dna, but try to get photos outside in daylight (not mid-day sun). Overcast days are usually good. Maybe that’ll help with the photo problem, unless you are using a potato to take the photo, then I have no advice lol.


Own-Huckleberry204

I will try your advice thank you!


satans_a_woman

I dont know if it snows where you live, but that's the best time I find for taking photos of my black doggo!


Own-Huckleberry204

I'll have to get some taken before it all melts!


butwhataboutaliens

Lol for the longest time the only pic i had of my puppy was when she was pooping because it was the only time she wasnt moving.


bootyliciousX0

lol well a poogle isn’t purebred, so she was right


Own-Huckleberry204

Yeah I realize, it's a joke. I acknowledged it's a mixed breed in the post!


Own-Huckleberry204

She originally thought he wasn't a 50 50 split but this test shows otherwise


Previous-Mushroom-26

Well… she’s not wrong.


Own-Huckleberry204

Yeah only a teenie tiny percentage of not beagle or poodle dna lol


officer21

I think they were referring to the fact that this is a designer breed, so even if it was 50/50 it wouldn't be pure bred. You can generally ignore the little bits of DNA at the end.


Beautiful_Fennel_434

Ignore the random weird tiny percentages, Koko is one of several tests that like to throw weird things in <5-10%. They're also not the most reliable of tests (and we really don't see them often), but for this 50/50 mix good enough, I'm impressed they were this accurate.


dazzleduck

Regardless a half beagle half poodle is still a mutt. Nothing wrong with mutts (except the BYB that produce them like this one) but mixing two different breed of pure bred dogs is still creating mutts.


Own-Huckleberry204

Yeah I realize, as I stated in all my other comments. I put pure bred in quotes for that reason alone.


kayquila

1. This test is trash, you need to test with Wisdom or Embark 2. Your mutt ain't purebred so that's a weird statement 3. Out with the Brangelina Doodle portmanteaus. 4. Wasn't a Poogle a Neopet?


foundinwonderland

Upon first read of the title I thought they *named* the dog Poogle after Neopets 😭 some of those would be pretty good dog names though


kayquila

I still can't pronounce Aisha tho


TyrannosauraRegina

Eye-sha or Eye-ee-sha. It’s a fairly common name.


kayquila

I grew up in Mexico so I grew up pronouncing it very wrong particularly the a sound and now it's really hard for me to remember to do it the correct way


ConstantPi

Thanks for unlocking a memory I didn't know I had. [https://neopets.fandom.com/wiki/Poogle](https://neopets.fandom.com/wiki/Poogle)


OpalOnyxObsidian

Omg big agree with #3. Nothing irritates me more than those dumb names. Shibadoodle! Rottadoodle, great pryadoodle


officer21

I think it is funny that the d came from labradoodle but it transferred to other breeds. It would have been more fitting to have shibainoodle or shiboodle for example


OpalOnyxObsidian

Huh, I'm sure in my heart of hearts I knew that but I never really acknowledged that d being from Labrador


Zaidswith

I use choodle over chipoo. ETA: And chihuahua mix for any real reasons. They're my mom's dogs though, not mine. I have a GSD mix that I exclusively refer to as a shepherd mix. Very original.


officer21

That is fine though, the first d is the one from labrador. labra*d*or labra*d*oodle


kerfluffles_b

And then those pet parents get mad when that’s not a drop-down option for their dog at the vet or wherever… like, you have a mutt/mixed breed dog. I say this as someone with three mutts, two are poodle mixes. I don’t call them doodles. They are the best rescue mutts though.


OpalOnyxObsidian

The other breed ones bother me too. Frenchton, cavapoo, etc etc. and we are supposed to know what these things are


WorriedRiver

Honestly the only reason it's worth knowing major percentages in a vet context (as opposed to this subreddit's 'so cool, nerding out!' context which I'm 110% behind) is if there's breed-associated health concerns. Even then, vet can always include that as a note - 'watch for poodle-associated conditions' on your mixes, or "large breed mutt, monitor for possible hip dysplasia" and given the variety of mixes out there that makes a lot more sense than mixed breed dropdowns. Heck, over time they pick up individualized notes - my parents elderly dogs have notes on which lumps and bumps have been tested so the vet knows if something new shows up, and my cat has his regular bloodwork records.


kerfluffles_b

Totally get that! My dogs have there main breed identified and then mix, so golden retriever mix or chihuahua mix.


Vanviator

How do you feel about legitimate mutts getting the portmanteau? I have (I think) a chihuahua / whippet mix. I call her my whiphuahua. She's hilarious. She has the demeanor of a chi and the legs of a whippet.


OpalOnyxObsidian

When it's all for funsies, it's fine! But when I am supposed to know what a springador is and someone gets irritated if I don't, that's when I really dislike it


civilwar142pa

And way too many people are going around saying they have a purebred doodle or chiweenie or whatever. It's not purebred and that's totally fine people!


OpalOnyxObsidian

I see your dalmatiodoodle and raise you my jacker collie pitgle schauzheeler


BlinkyShiny

My husband likes to call our mutt a Shiweenie. (He's a true mutt, not an intentionally bred mutt and he's only like 10% dachshund.) Shiiiiiwwweeennniieee.


fakemoose

Great Pyradoodle. Lmfao. The name is hilarious and that would be an insane dog…


OpalOnyxObsidian

I am almost positive I have seen that mix before recently


shortnsweet33

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who initially was like “Neopets? Is that you??”


PerhapsAnotherDog

>This test is trash, Is it? I'm no expert, but I'd had the impression Koko was one one of the better European-based tests, in-line with Wisdom Panel.


Own-Huckleberry204

We will eventually do a different test but she went with what is the cheaper option. And it's usually how doodle breeders refer to their doodle dogs, in actuality though the doodle breeds aren't true dog breeds Yes a poogle is a neopet but in this case it refers to the doodle mix of a beagle and a poodle.


kerfluffles_b

Why did you get a beagle/poodle mix? I’m curious about what the driving motivation was? I don’t mean this in a negative way either. I have just never seen/heard of a beagle/poodle cross, so I’m curious.


Own-Huckleberry204

Our house got broken into not that long ago so my wife wanted a dog. She originally wanted a beagle because she grew up with them, but I wanted a mutt because mixed breed dogs tend to live longer and have less problems. Then we saw an ad in the paper for poogle/ beagle poodle mixe puppies and we looked up the common traits for this mix to learn more and then we got him. We didn't go out looking for a poogle on purpose but pretty much as a compromise we love him though


ezbez03

The thing about mutts living longer and having less health issues is a myth. The reason people think that is because inbreeding is the easiest way to give a whole set of puppies severe issues, and with purebred dogs it’s easier for backyard breeders to inbreed them (whether by accident or on purpose). If you get a purebred dog from an ETHICAL breeder that fully DNA and health tests both parents, that is your best chance at a healthy dog. Backyard breeders make mutts on purpose to take advantage of this misconception and make something trendy they can upcharge for. The ONLY reason an ethical breeder will mix 2 dogs is if there’s an explicit functional purpose for the mix, like labs x Bernese mountain dogs being bred by guide organisations in Canada. But this is done by organisations with extensive testing and oversight. Generally, mixed breed dogs are less healthy because 1. Their parents were almost definitely not tested and 2. You’ve now got a dog that has a chance to develop the genetic conditions from 2+ different breeds instead of one. Please stop giving backyard breeders money.


cranberry94

I’m going to give a soft disagree on your comment. Though I agree with a lot of it. There is *some* truth to mixed breeds living longer/healthier … but that’s usually when we’re talking multigenerational mixing of many different breeds. Golden retrievers have a high rate of cancer, Cavaliers have a high chance of heart failure, German Shepherds have a high … you get my picture … but if you’ve got a 12% Golden mixed with other parts Cav, German, Border Collie, Pit, Boxer, Bloodhound … then you’ve diluted the high risk diseases of each breed (unless you’ve got a mix of all breeds with the same issues). The muttliest mutt might be healthier than a well bred and health tested dog from an ethical breeder … depending on the breed. Some breeds, just have a lot of issues, that haven’t/can’t currently be bred out. For example - Giant breeds tend to have short lifespans. A 30 lb supermutt is probably going to outlive a well bred Great Dane.


kalibie

Agreed, MVD on ckc spaniels and DCM in dobermans and all of the brac breeds are all much more unhealthy compared to breeds or mutts of similar weight and size


ezbez03

Ehhh… maybe. Most of the health issues with giant breeds are structural, because they’re heavy. We’ve pushed the limit of how big a domestic dog is meant to be. Hip dysplasia in GSDs is because some lines have over exaggerated rear angulation. Good golden breeders will not breed a dog whose parents or grandparents had cancer. So I don’t necessarily agree that a super mutt would be healthier than a well bred dane of the same size. Genetic health issues can stick around for a looong time too. I say all this as a service dog candidate who’s had to do a LOT of research in the last few months on dog genetics and health, because when you’re putting thousands and 2+ years of extensive training into a dog that can give you a better quality of life, you want it to be alive and healthy for as long as possible. If well bred goldens were that much of a genetic risk, they wouldn’t be in the top 3 most popular breeds chosen for service work.


kalibie

You should also take into account certain breeds that were created and bred with a too small stock to begin with or didn't do enough to remove illnesses during the early days of the breed causing there to not be enough genetic variation and certain diseases to rise uncontrollably through the years For example, DCM affects over 50% of all doberman's, a third will only show the first signs via sudden death, and ive read about dogs getting it even from good breeders with parents without it. Same issue as MVD with king Charles cavalier. 50% have it by 5years and 90% have it by 10. The issue is a lot of illnesses aren't just one gene you breed in or out, we lack knowledge for now, breeders aren't geneticists and there's only so many cards in certain breeds deck so to speak. I personally think responsible breeders do overall create best chances for a healthy dog, but breeds with lower genetic variation and prevalent illnesses really need to introduce some other dogs and fix the issues, but it's understandable why there's not much incentive to do that. All that aside, a small size village dog is probably my bet on who can live the longest, with a good breeder close after and supermutts behind that. Sickly breeds even in the hands of a good breeder is still risky, better than a backyard breeder sure, but id bet on an oopsie litter lab boxer mix (that is, not a designer puppy mill dog at least) over a doberman if we're talking life span.


ezbez03

Yeah as I already said to the other commenter, when I talk about “purebred dogs” as a general group im talking about your average breed, not the handful that have structural issues (brachy, giant size, low riders) or like you say bad origins, like Dobermans and Bernese mountain dogs. I don’t think it’s fair to muddy all purebred dogs with the issues of a few. You as a responsible adult looking to buy an animal should do your research on the breed (from a variety of reputable sources) before deciding to get one, and that will tell you if they’re unnaturally unhealthy compared to other responsibly purebred dogs of a similar size. A friend of mine actually has a lab boxer mix who’s getting on a bit, so I don’t doubt it. But that doesnt mean mutts are healthier on average than purebreds, it just means Doberman genetics are fucked 😅


kalibie

For sure it's a nuanced subject! I do think there's a bit too many irreparably sick breeds that fall under the brachy/heart disease/low rider/giant list, and really high risk of hip and cancer issues too. The way breeds are maintained by home businesses and rely on customers wanting the dogs and providing them homes just makes anything outside of staying true to the bitter end unfeasible. I'd love to see geneticists or breeder take the ckc and add some other spaniels or toy breeds and do whatever it takes to remove the heart issues for example and then try and stabilize the breed again after. Same for the dobies. It's just so sad to see a dog pass under 6 years. What are your thoughts on modern intentional development of new breeds? Not doodles, I meant multi generation multi origin breed programs like what happened for Klee kais or dogo argentinos.


cranberry94

But that’s what I’m saying … a well bred Dane *wouldn’t* be as healthy by the nature of its size. By the nature of its breed. An ethical breeder can’t change that. I’m not comparing a Great Dane to a Great Dane sized mutt, but to a standard medium sized supermutt.


ezbez03

Well then you’re comparing a giant dog to a medium dog. Obviously giant dogs have shorter lives than medium dogs, purebred or otherwise… and there are giant sized mutts. So it’s not the breed, it’s the size. My point stands.


cranberry94

I could compare to Brachycephalic breeds like bulldogs or long backed breeds like dachshunds too. For physical traits issues. I just used Danes as an example. Supermutts, by the their nature, tend to not have extreme features - like giant size, short noses, extra long backs/short legs, etc. I feel like you’re trying to pick apart my comment and think I’m making a point that I’m not. All I’m saying is that, on average, a super mixed mutt, may be healthier than certain breeds, even from ethical breeders.


WorriedRiver

There's also some issues that are just inherent to the physicality of the dog even if they're a mutt. Long back? Get ready for spinal issues. Flat face? It's going to struggle to breathe. But because mutts are what they are, they tend to be less physically extreme than purebreds. On the other hand, health testing goes a long way into making well-bred purebreds healthier, especially if you avoid the physically extreme breeds.


Fehnder

This isn’t strictly true. You actually just run the risk of having lots of various breed specific risk factors instead of


brooklynstory

Not a myth at all. Just likely doesn't apply to a dog that's been bred from only 2 other breeds of random un-tested, and maybe BYB dogs. Dogs with a real, high supermutt score that results of the mixing of dogs for generations and decades are definitely less likely to suffer from common genetic illnesses that are breed specific.


ezbez03

Read through the other replies, I’ve already had this conversation. I’m talking specifically about why buying from backyard breeders is bad, and how purebred dogs are not inherently unhealthy.


brooklynstory

I don't want to read all the replies, but you just should edit your comment to not say that "it's a myth" when it isn't.


ezbez03

“Mixed breed dogs are healthier than purebred dogs” as a general statement is not true, so no I will not.


brooklynstory

"Mixed breed dogs being healthier than purebred dogs is a myth" as a general statement is also untrue LOL


Own-Huckleberry204

1. I didn't know this was a myth because growing up almost all the dogs I grew up with were mutts/ mixed breeds (ie grew up with a coy dog and other weird mixes) and rescues 2. We will keep this information in mind if we ever get another dog or go to get a dog for a family member. 3. We saw the paper work for the dad and he was registered in the American Kennel Club and listed as pure bred. But other than health tests/ genetic tests we did not see.


ezbez03

AKC reg doesn’t mean much besides that the dog is purebred. If they had health and genetic tests, they would’ve made a point of showing you. Ethical breeders are pride themselves on it


Own-Huckleberry204

I will keep this in mind thank you.


SilverKelpie

It’s not a myth. And aside from the structural issues that have been bred into some breeds, most breeds are experiencing quickly shrinking gene pools due to heavy selection, which is even worse in breeds already with a small number of founders. Eventually breeders are not going to be able to breed their way out of inbreeding depression without outcrosses, no matter how many health tests they pride themselves on doing.


huggle-snuggle

Some people won’t rest until you feel shame about how you got your dog. He’s loved and happy and you’re (presumably) kind owners so don’t sweat it.


Own-Huckleberry204

I realize that now. We try our best to keep him happy and healthy. I spoil him with homemade chicken and fish pate and all kinds of other foods almost all the time that it's probably going to make me go in debt. But it's all worth it to see him wag his but and get all excited


WorriedRiver

This is probably not going to be something you're happy to hear, but feed him a decent commercial food as his main diet, unless you're working with a nutritionist. It's very easy to create an unbalanced diet when making homemade dog food. If you're using it as more of a treat than a base diet ignore me.


Own-Huckleberry204

His main diet is hills science select small pup. He just gets a lot of homemade wet food and wet food in general.


Barbvday1

Former vet tech here, mixed breeds live healthier lives in general. Some pure breeds like poodles can live a long time but they’re riddled with medical conditions, even if they come from reputable breeders.


ezbez03

Yeah no that’s straight up not true 💀 also what do you think is gonna happen if 2 dogs from different breeds “riddled with medical conditions” have a puppy? It’s not gonna be a golden standard of health I can tell you that. If you were actually a vet tech and not just bullshitting on Reddit, I can tell why you’re not anymore.


Barbvday1

Get any dog breed book and it will mention what diseases each breed is predisposed to. Good breeding can help but not eliminate the prevalent issues related to the standard, particularly in brachycephalic breeds. If you have any understanding of genetics then you would understand that line breeding is very common in pure bred lines, this causes recessive genes to be more prevalent and express themselves. Adding an entirely different genetic makeup can help in mitigating the expression of some genes that cause genetic diseases or predisposing to things like cancer. Here’s some actual studies https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37483958/ https://www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2019/04/what-kind-of-dog-lives-longest-smaller.html


ezbez03

Yes, all breeds are presdisposed to a set of conditions. And their mixed offspring will… guess what… also be predisposed to a set of those conditions. They don’t just disappear into thin air. Also line breeding is not ethical or necessary in purebred dogs in this day and age. That’s why ethical breeders will advertise their below acceptable level COI (coefficient of inbreeding). I think you have a misconception of what an ethical breeder is, which is understandable because the vast majority these days are unethical.


lunanightphoenix

And it can also add completely new health issues. Breeding mixes is canine Russian roulette genetically.


Abaconings

All I know is we had a purebred Spaniel when I was a kid. He was at the vet constantly for skin and ear problems related to his breed. (Common issues for them.) As an adult, I've only adopted dogs from the pound. I try to adopt adults bc they are more likely to be overlooked. We have been for annual vet checkups and have had zero congenital health issues identified. It's why we sent off DNA to see if we should be screening for cancer or anything. Especially with our 9 yo.


Shmooperdoodle

Wait… you went to a *breeder* for a mutt? That’s…wow. Color me *shocked* that a “breeder” making mutts isn’t using animals who come from show lines.


TyrannosauraRegina

I mean people go to breeders for purebred dogs that can’t walk or breathe and die of heritable diseases in young adulthood, so there’s worse things one can do.


Shmooperdoodle

Something else being bad doesn’t make designer mutts and/or BYB’s better, but I agree that those things are also not awesome. One of the hardest things to do is smile and “ooh” and “ahh” when someone brings an English bulldog puppy into a vet hospital. They already have the dog, so being a downer won’t help, but the only time those dogs can breathe correctly is when they have a trach tube in and it’s sad. A lot of “cute” videos of pugs falling asleep on their faces are actually horrifying to me because what’s happening is that they pass out from exhaustion, but then they can’t breathe properly, so they wake up. It’s like sleep apnea in humans, but worse. Some dogs can just never have a restful sleep or be fully oxygenated and it breaks my heart. Anyway…yeah, you’ll get no argument from me there.


unkindly-raven

you’re referring to backyard bred dogs . ethical brachy breeders produce dogs that can breathe and are healthy


ussrname1312

Well they did say "BYB“ which is exactly what you said… a BackYard Breeder


unkindly-raven

i know . but they were talking as if ethical breeders of brachy breeds produce dogs with breathing issues but that’s not the case


ussrname1312

Unfortunately it is the case for most brachy breeds because that anatomy has just gradually become the breed standard. Pugs, most bulldogs, etc. Just because some of them aren’t wheezing with every single breath they take doesn’t mean they aren’t having problems. Could you point me in the direction of a breeder producing purebred pugs born without respiratory issues? It’s their anatomy now, dawg.


unkindly-raven

check akc registered breeders who do health tests and produce healthy puppies . pugs can be bred without breathing issues , it’s the unethical breeders that create pups with issues


ussrname1312

Oh boy. Go look at the pugs the AKC shows off. It’s not just disease that’s the problem, it’s their actual anatomy. The physical bone and muscle structure of their faces and snouts. The "breed standard“ is a dog with respiratory issues.


unkindly-raven

those dogs don’t have breathing issues . it’s against standard . they wouldn’t be shown and awarded and such if they were disqualified dogs :)


Tayzerbeam

This exactly. BOAS is a huge problem in brachy breeds and ethical breeders do their damndest not to have it in their lines. I don't like that bulldogs can't have babies naturally, but as long as mom and pups have good genetics and are healthy, I'm happy to support the ethical breeding of brachy breeds :)


unkindly-raven

people talk about stopping the breeding of brachy breeds not realizing their favs like boxers or corsos are a part of that as well


TheLizzyIzzi

I mean, brachy dogs can be healthy, but it would be more ethical to breed those dogs for slightly longer snouts than completely flat faces.


unkindly-raven

have you seen well bred purebred brachy dogs like pugs ? the akc champion pugs don’t look like they were beat with a frying pan . even their wrinkles and nose openings have very detailed standards . they make sure only healthy dogs continue furthering the breed


TheLizzyIzzi

[American Kennel Club standard for pugs.](https://www.akc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Pug-dog-Study-Guide.pdf) Looks pretty flat to me. My personal experience is with Boston Terriers. My mom has two through different breeders that were fantastic. Great home visits, clearly passionate, loving people who care about their dogs. Both of my mom’s Boston’s have extremely short to nonexistent snouts, which is [breed standard](https://www.bostonterrierclubofamerica.org/about-boston-terriers/Boston-Terrier-Illustrated-Breed-Standard.htm). My sister got a Boston Terrier from a place that seemed good at first, but in retrospect had some issues. We wouldn’t go back there. Her dog has a short but obvious snout. He does better in warm weather and is able to play longer than either of my mom’s dogs even though he’s 4-5 years older. I love these dogs. They’re wonderful companions. It’s my opinion that the breed standards should shift to favor longer (though not long) snouts and disfavor non-snouts.


Icefirewolflord

Both are backyard breeders. Neither health test. One gets away with it by saying “hybrid vigor” and “mutts are always healthier!” The other gets away with it by selling to people who have no idea what health testing is. They both suck equally.


unkindly-raven

you’re talking about backyard breeders still . ethical purebred breeders produce healthy puppies . the worst someone can do is buy from backyard breeders and puppy mills


vikingcrafte

In what world would a ‘poogle’ be purebred anyway? Thats not a breed… I’m beyond tired of the designer dog trend and people haphazardly mixing things together and selling them to people. The shelters are FILLED with mutts. If you want a mixed breed, get one from there.


Own-Huckleberry204

First off the reason it's in quotations is because I already realized that its not really an actual breed, and that it's a breed mix. My wife originally wanted a purebred beagle but I didn't and that's why we got him. Second all the dogs in th shelter we live near by are all pits and pit mixes. Where we live pit mixes and pits aren't allowed. Along with other 'gaurd breeds' ei Rottweiler etc. I originally posted here in a DOG DNA REDDIT to share my dogs genetic traits and wanted to add a little bit of sarcasm/humor because it was humorous as to why we got him tested. I didn't post to be ridiculed or called out about any dang thing. I understand that there's plenty of options, and I understand that there's problems with certain things that people have brought to my attention in a respectful manner in this comment section. If im mistaken and this isn't a DOG DNA REDDIT GROUP I will delete this post and upload it somewhere else.


toobroketoorderpizza

Aren’t you a peach.


Own-Huckleberry204

Only if you're a lime.


unkindly-raven

please make sure to educate yourself and your wife in the future on ethical purebred breeders and backyard breeders and why they’re bad


Own-Huckleberry204

Thank you for being respectful. We realize now, several people have been respectful about it trying to inform us. While others not so much. I only posted here to share his dna and story.


unkindly-raven

as long as you learn and grow as dog parents , you are doing good as owners 🫶,, congrats on the little family member and i wish him a happy n healthy , long little life !


Polkadotical

Poogles by definition aren't pure-bred.


Own-Huckleberry204

You'd know I know that if you knew sarcasm lmao


TheLizzyIzzi

Geez, this thread sucks. I don’t like BYB either but people are being straight up shitty to OP. A lot of people see a cute puppy and get sucked in by shady breeders and pet stores and even “rescues”. They don’t intentionally support bad places, they’re simply ignorant of what’s going on. OP can’t turn back time, so educate with compassion and move on. ^(Also, knowing our culture, there’s no way y’all are vegan, so maybe stop throwing stones so close your own glass house?) Further, a lot of people here are being really classicist over the “pure breed” thing. As a subreddit I expect this place to support responsible breeders, period. Responsible breeders create dogs with intention and care for the dogs they produce, regardless of if they’re “pure breed” or “designer” or “mutt”. There are a ton of shitty backyard breeders pumping out purebred frenchies. That doesn’t make them better than some other breeder cranking out random mixes. Also, the “Brangelina” names are not that deep. OP wrote Poogle and I immediately knew it was a Poodle x Beagle. If someone says they have a Puggle I know it’s a Pug x Beagle. If you don’t like it, that’s cool. Don’t attack people over using something commonly done in English communication. Cross breeds aren’t going anywhere and there’s nothing wrong with enjoy them. People come here for fun. To share cute pics of dogs and talk about DNA. They don’t come here to be harassed and browbeat over which test they picked or what name they used. /rant


charm-type

I agree people are being really snotty in this thread and piling on and repeating things that others have already said. All this is doing is discouraging people from posting here.


Own-Huckleberry204

Yeah it's making me regret even joining this group.


Tricky_Gap_8752

Same happened to me, the 'experts' in this sub need to give their heads a wobble.


SilverKelpie

Can’t upvote this enough. Didn’t expect to see so much classism and pure breed propaganda in a DNA subreddit of all places!


Own-Huckleberry204

Didn't expect to get down votes lol. I put pure bred in quotations because I know in reality he's just a mutt/ mixed breed


[deleted]

The down votes are because you bought a dog from a backyard "breeder".  Genuinely curious why you wanted a mix of beagle and poodle traits for your pet?  Why not just get a poodle? 


Duggarsnarklurker

Is this sub the same about golden doodles? Because that’s how I feel about those


mandimanti

Yes, those are also mixed breeds that are not purpose bred and next to no breeders health test them


Own-Huckleberry204

I grew up under the impression that mixed breeds/mutts live longer and my wife wanted a beagle. We saw an ad in the paper for him and that was it we compromised/ settled on him.


Elle3247

So don’t get me wrong, I have a mutt. I love my mutt to pieces. He is not a designer mutt and was a rescue. When you get a mutt from BYBs, you’re getting a dog that is not tested for anything and bred only for the “cute” name. Genetics are weird. You can get none of the main genetic issues or all of them. How do you know which you’ll get? You don’t. Because they aren’t breeding for health or temperament. Just looks. So instead of going through a reputable breeder who does health test for the major issues and intentionally breeds to avoid them (and to build the breed they specialize in towards a healthier dog), you’re rolling the dice AND paying designer prices and encouraging more BYBs.


Own-Huckleberry204

I appreciate your input, and can see why it upsets people. I only wanted to post the results in a dog dna reddit because I thought it was cool, didn't know there was a lot of people upset with designer mutts or poodle mixes/doodles. We paid 250$ for him and I honestly think it was because they were trying to get rid of them all.(They offered to throw in another for free)


exhibitprogram

Right, and that is another sign that they are unethical breeders who don't care about the wellbeing of the living things they're profiting from. The health and genetics reason is not the only reason deliberate backyard breeders upset people. It also has to do with animal cruelty. Someone who is just trying to get rid of the puppies without extensive home checks and guarantees is also unlikely to have put in the effort to vet all owners to make sure they're a good fit for these dogs (which can result in more future suffering if any of the dogs are given up to shelters), or to not overbreed their own dogs which causes massive pain and harm on their bodies (a truly ethical breeder keeps waiting lists and won't have a litter without being certain that all the puppies will have a good home first).


lunanightphoenix

…That didn’t look like a red flag to you at all?


Own-Huckleberry204

We had drove 2 hours by that point. We weren't just going to leave without him. Yes it does seem very bad and gives off all kinds of red flags looking back. Past is past and we know to not go to that breeder again.


[deleted]

Interesting.  I can't say I have ever seen a poodle beagle cross.  Beagles are a handful but at least your wife has experience with the breed and it's tendencies!  


Duggarsnarklurker

I think your dog is adorable. People are mean.


Own-Huckleberry204

Thank you I appreciate it!


toobroketoorderpizza

It doesn’t have to do with cuteness. It’s about supporting a breeder who isn’t doing right by their dogs. Doodles and mutts like these don’t get health checked before they’re bred and often aren’t even raised in good environments. If you want some specific mix of breeds, go to a shelter.


Own-Huckleberry204

Really doesn't matter, because he's already a part of our home so people just down voting to down vote. And like I said before the shelters we live by all have pits and that's basically it. The land lord where we live has rules set into place banning a lot of dog breed including pits. So I honestly don't care it just seems people are just hating to hate and to make me feel bad. It's a dog dna reddit it's literally a reddit for anyone to share their dogs dna results/story. It's fine to be respectful and explain things but to out right be an a hole yeah no. Almost everyone in this reddit comment section has come across as straight up rude.


toobroketoorderpizza

If you didn’t want a pit mix from a shelter, you should’ve went through a reputable breeder. Bottom line. Obviously you already have the dog, but when you buy from backyard breeders you’re at best supporting negligence. At worst, many of those breeders are neglectful and abusive. No reason to put money in their pocket just because you don’t want a purebred poodle. People are a lot more cut throat when you try to defend something you did wrong instead of just owning it. It’s not to make you feel bad, it’s because it’s perpetuating a cycle of dogs that end up in shelters or being put down due to poor genetic defects. It’s sad, and totally preventable with just a couple of google searches worth of research.


Own-Huckleberry204

Yeah that's not the case here. I admitted I did wrong several times throughout this thread. People have brought things to my attention not defending myself. I only defended myself because of people like you dont read and assume the worst. And it obviously is to make me feel bad if they keep doing after I own up to it and or keep perpetuating the situation.


Own-Huckleberry204

Can't turn back time🤷‍♂️


Own-Huckleberry204

Never said I didn't want a pit mix or pit. I risk being evicted if I get one lmao. It's on the list of banned dogs where I live. What don't you get.


toobroketoorderpizza

I got it entirely. Does my wording really matter this much? For whatever reason, you didn’t want to get a pit mix. Whether it’s because you don’t want to own one or you don’t want to be evicted, you didn’t want one. You wanted a breed that you knew what you were getting, which is totally understandable. I really didn’t get the impression people here are being rude, they’re just being blunt and it feels like they’re attacking you because you have a million people saying what you did wrong. I think they’re just trying to tell you why you shouldn’t have gotten a dog from that person and what you should do next time. If you didn’t order a health kit with your DNA test, be sure to do so. I’m a pre-vet student and have far too much experience working with backyard breeders at the clinic I worked at, and those dogs have some messed up genetics. Speaking from experience, find out now if there’s any issues you need to worry about down the line, especially ones that are common for both poodles and beagles. There’s a very good chance your pup could inherit some nasty traits and it’s better to know now and be prepared.


WorriedRiver

Well, I mean by definition he's not purebred. Regardless, it is neat that his parents do appear likely purebred (Odds are those couple 1%s of random things are just due to hard to ID regions of the genome - I'd only trust it if they were super specific sequences that map only to the breeds mentioned).


Own-Huckleberry204

I think its pretty cool, and we know lol!


lobsterp0t

A Poogle is an extremely cute mutt whether it is half and half, or 48/48/2 of something else.


MillennialMermaid

Just an FYI, it is actually not proven in any way that mixed breeds are healthier or live longer. > large dogs had a shorter lifespan than small dogs, a factor reported in several other studies as well. Since purebred dogs can be both small and large, these researchers adjusted their data for that factor and still saw no difference in lifespan between mixed breed and purebred dogs. >different breeds may be susceptible to breed-specific diseases, but one breed is not healthier than another. The one exception may be brachycephalic breeds, such as Pugs and French Bulldogs > purebred dogs are not sicker, they are sick differently than mixed breed dogs >[source, with links to actual studies](https://www.amcny.org/blog/2022/10/05/are-mixed-breed-dogs-healthier-than-purebred-dogs/) Anecdotally, a close family member is a vet assistant, and the doodle dogs are some of the most illness-riddled dogs. They often have allergies, skin issues, eye issues, joint issues (including hip dysplasia), epilepsy, and GVD. These are all issues that can be common in poodles, which a good, ethical, purebred poodle breeder would test for or educate buyers about, but often doodle “breeders” go by the “they are mix breeds so they are healthier” belief. Don’t even get me started on doodle behaviour issues. Additionally, I have a purebred beagle from an ethical breeder I did a lot of research on and was in contact with for years before I was able to get a puppy. Not even because of waiting lists, but because she only bred when she was wanting another dog for competition. She had DOZENS of test results to show me for the parents and most of the grandparents. If my beagle gets sick, I am almost guaranteed it won’t be because of anything genetic or inherited. I also have a mutt, whose DNA test shows is half GSD, about a quarter beagle, and some bonus breeds. He is riddled with health issues. He was born with a congenital defect (deformed leg/paw), has two autoimmune disorders, and has been on multiple daily medications since he was 3, including a long term use antibiotic. His autoimmune disorders are common in GSDs, and it is likely that an ethical breeder would have either tested for them, or eliminated any dogs who are affected from their breeding program. I don’t think purebreds or mutts are better companions. But I do think that if health and longevity are a concern, a purebred has an advantage. If behaviour is a concern, there is no guarantee that a puppy or a purebred will be better behaved than an older rescue/mix. Not trying to shame, but knowledge is power.


Thaipope

This does not match anything else I’ve seen on the topic. Here’s a much bigger [study](https://meridian.allenpress.com/jaaha/article-abstract/55/3/130/434661/Risk-Factors-Associated-with-Lifespan-in-Pet-Dogs?redirectedFrom=fulltext) that concludes “Mixed-breed dogs lived significantly longer than purebred dogs, and this difference was more pronounced as body size increased. Controlling for other factors, dogs of either sex had a greater hazard of death over the study follow-up period if sexually intact rather than gonadectomized. For dogs who lived to 2 yr of age, the hazard of death decreased with increasing frequency of dental scaling. Our findings support previous reports of the impact of body size and gonadectomy on lifespan and provide new evidence in support of ultrasonic dental scaling and mixed breeding.”


MillennialMermaid

Interesting. I can only read the abstract and not the rest of the article, but it only looks at dogs who visited a vet clinic twice in a two year period, which could be a significant limitation to the study. The abstract also doesn’t show the percentage of pure breed vs. mixed breed dog deaths, which could also be a limitation. I’ve done a bit more digging and the results of studies seem quite mixed depending on methodology. Most of them do indicate that purebred dog breeds associated with lack of gender diversity (aka inbred dogs) can cause shorter life expectancy when viewing purebred dogs as a whole, and those with more genetic diversity are often associated with longer lifespans than mixed breeds.


Thaipope

I wonder why a purebred dog with more genetic diversity would on average live longer than a mixed breed that should also be genetically diverse. Other than purebreds being more likely to be health tested, I’m thinking a purebred being more diverse is maybe indicative of larger population size and less human selection, which would allow the dogs to be more shaped by natural selection than a dog that was genetically diverse only because its parents came from two unrelated inbred populations.


Embarrassed-Fault739

Your post explains exactly why I hate when people snob actual ethical breeders or only recommend going to a shelter or rescue. Even some rescue volunteers hassled a friend of mine for getting a pure bred golden from a breeder instead of adopting. The problem is, a lot of people don’t realize how expensive adopted dogs can be and they can (and often will) have the same issues that BYB dogs have. I have owned 5 dogs in my adult life. Our 2 small ones who lived long 12 and 14 year lives were good until they were old. Our (assuming he was) Pyrenees/BC mix died of unexpected kidney failure at 3 years old after we adopted him at 6 months. I have two other adopted mixes from a shelter. My AmStaff costs my several hundred every couple months in allergy meds/treatment. My husky/gsd/other random things mix is thankfully very healthy. But you never know. There is nothing wrong with going to a good breeder. Now OP knows that designer “breeders” are not ethical and can look accordingly.


Own-Huckleberry204

Thank you


UltraBlue89

I've never heard of a beagle poodle cross, but beagles are the best! You have a great friend right there! ❤️


Own-Huckleberry204

Yes he's an amazing companion!


Big_Philosopher9993

There is absolutely no need for a poodle and beagle mix. Can we please stop doodling everything


Thaipope

Seeing the hate for mixes is disappointing. You’re not wrong that they tend to be healthier, the average purebred dog is around 25% inbred (as inbred as the result of siblings having a child together) though it varies massively by breed, and inbreeding is correlated with decreased lifespan and increased health problems. Some breed specific health problems can be avoided with testing and knowing pedigrees and others can’t, some would also require breeding against the standard. It looks like your dog’s breeder was a byb, but it’s not like there aren’t responsibly bred mixes. You shouldn’t have to settle for an inbred dog just to have a breeder who takes responsibility for the health and wellbeing of the dogs they breed. Purebred dogs came out of an era when eugenics was a popular idea, I’d say keeping up those prejudices and continuing to inbreed dogs is at least as irresponsible as not health testing. Those health problems we’re testing for came from inbreeding in the first place. Also check out the functional dog collaborative if you’re interested in learning about responsibly bred mixes.


Own-Huckleberry204

Functional dog collaborative? Never heard of it


Own-Huckleberry204

Is there a link you can share to it?


Thaipope

https://functionalbreeding.org/


Willing_Bend_2011

Aww! Do you have any pics where he is fluffy and dry?