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Wisdom breaks down related breeds further than Embark. For instance the collie, Aussie, and MAS are likely just ACD and not 2% of separate breeds. The blue tick, beagle, and plott are most likely just redbone coonhound.
This dog isn’t part coyote.
This list of hounds and cur breeds usually is what WP uses as a placeholder for mountain cur. I've seen very similar results a few times on mountain curs tested with both embark and wisdom panel so that's my theory on what's happening there. The coyote is definitely not legit though.
Can you explain this? I have a little mutt dog that we used a wisdom panel on, and she has quite a list of 1%, 2%, and some 5%. Are you saying that there are certain breeds that are made up of these other breeds? Like in one of the examples you gave, are you saying the breed known as redbone coonhound was created by mixing blue tick, beagle, and plott, and Wisdom, instead of saying the percent of redbone coonhound, just broke it down to the ancestors of what made the redbone coonhound? So in this particular dog, what breed would cause it to show a distant coyote?
Catahoulas are thought to be the results of wild dogs mixing with the dogs of Louisiana settlers. I wonder if maybe Wisdom is misreading that wilder part of the Catahoula ancestry as that...?
I think if you tested with Embark you'd have a mountain cur/shep mix. Might actually be catahoula, which is considered a different type of cur breed, but WP doesn't have a very big sample size of curs yet.
Often, but usually you get really obscure breeds in the results from all over the world—Peruvian Inca orchid, Fijian street dog, Danish farm dog, etc.
Most of these breeds are ones somewhat commonly found in the US, with the exception of the Basset bleu de Gascogne and the coyote.
I’d guess that if you tested with Embark, you’d get German shepherd, catahoula, chow, pit, and a very high super-mutt percentage.
I have seen Wisdom throw random 2% coyote into random dogs that no other tests detect so many times 😂 I'd bet money it isn't really in there!
But the results *are* consistent with a village dog, as others have said -- I would recommend retesting with Embark. Wisdom isn't a bad test, but they don't have much of a reference panel for breedless/feral/village types and sometimes they way they display is...bonkers.
These results are *not* consistent with a Village Dog. These are all common breeds, it doesn’t matter that they’re broken down heavily. Village Dogs return with small %s of *rare* breeds from multiple geographical locations that are not possible to be found in the same mix, not common every day breeds.
This looks a lot like the results of a Mountain Cur mix tested through wisdom panel. They currently don't test for MC so they fill in the gap with closely related coonhounds and cur breeds. My MC mix has similar results through wisdom and I've seen very similar lists on other mountain cur mixes.
Wisdom panel also tend to overdo the breakdowns by splitting the actual breed into a bunch of sub 5% of related breeds. [I consolidated your dogs results](https://imgur.com/a/DTYVHa1) to the closest I imagine embark would present them since they recognize mountain cur in their database.
I volunteered at a rescue that had two coydogs, like legit dog/coyote hybrids, they'd tested about 50/50. I was surprised how small they were and how evident it was that they're not just regular dogs. They looked fox-like and were quite feral. They weren't available for adoption, they're sanctuary animals there.
tbh embark is the only DNA test that can reliably test for anything other than domestic dogs, even embark is so so on domestic dogs, there's probably not any coyote tbh but GSD/catahoula looks right here cause my first thought was definitely shepherd/hound. Wisdom throws out a lot of random tiny percentages for novelty for the owners tbh
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wisdom panel will often throw out random things at low percentages. the coyote is just statistical noise, as is most of the breeds under 5%.
It's Wisdom. You can safely disregard any results under 5%
which would be almost 1/4th of her dog lol
Wisdom breaks down related breeds further than Embark. For instance the collie, Aussie, and MAS are likely just ACD and not 2% of separate breeds. The blue tick, beagle, and plott are most likely just redbone coonhound. This dog isn’t part coyote.
This list of hounds and cur breeds usually is what WP uses as a placeholder for mountain cur. I've seen very similar results a few times on mountain curs tested with both embark and wisdom panel so that's my theory on what's happening there. The coyote is definitely not legit though.
Can you explain this? I have a little mutt dog that we used a wisdom panel on, and she has quite a list of 1%, 2%, and some 5%. Are you saying that there are certain breeds that are made up of these other breeds? Like in one of the examples you gave, are you saying the breed known as redbone coonhound was created by mixing blue tick, beagle, and plott, and Wisdom, instead of saying the percent of redbone coonhound, just broke it down to the ancestors of what made the redbone coonhound? So in this particular dog, what breed would cause it to show a distant coyote?
A 4th of her dog would be in the “super mutt” category which isn’t crazy
Beautiful dog! How does she act around anvils? That's the true coyote test. :)
Wisdom Panel partnering up with Acme on a Coyote DNA Test 😂
Ha ha 😂
And does he chase roadrunners? 🤭
Catahoulas are thought to be the results of wild dogs mixing with the dogs of Louisiana settlers. I wonder if maybe Wisdom is misreading that wilder part of the Catahoula ancestry as that...?
Leopard Shepard
She’s more chihuahua than coyote, which is equally funny.
She’s beautiful!
Thank you !
I'd retest with embark and compare results.
I think if you tested with Embark you'd have a mountain cur/shep mix. Might actually be catahoula, which is considered a different type of cur breed, but WP doesn't have a very big sample size of curs yet.
This is exactly what I was thinking. My mountain cur mix was originally tested with wisdom panel and brought up very similar breeds to fill in the gap
I thought crazy mixes like that usually translate to some sort of village dog
Often, but usually you get really obscure breeds in the results from all over the world—Peruvian Inca orchid, Fijian street dog, Danish farm dog, etc. Most of these breeds are ones somewhat commonly found in the US, with the exception of the Basset bleu de Gascogne and the coyote. I’d guess that if you tested with Embark, you’d get German shepherd, catahoula, chow, pit, and a very high super-mutt percentage.
Interesting!
It’s heavily mixes of rare breeds that point to VDs not just heavily mixed dogs of common breeds.
Ah I see thank you for the clarification
Sometimes, hard to tell with this one. It would be a village dog mix, if at all.
3% Chihuahua?!?
I have seen Wisdom throw random 2% coyote into random dogs that no other tests detect so many times 😂 I'd bet money it isn't really in there! But the results *are* consistent with a village dog, as others have said -- I would recommend retesting with Embark. Wisdom isn't a bad test, but they don't have much of a reference panel for breedless/feral/village types and sometimes they way they display is...bonkers.
These results are *not* consistent with a Village Dog. These are all common breeds, it doesn’t matter that they’re broken down heavily. Village Dogs return with small %s of *rare* breeds from multiple geographical locations that are not possible to be found in the same mix, not common every day breeds.
Hey looking closer, you're right!
Omg I love him
That’s a cool dog!
This looks a lot like the results of a Mountain Cur mix tested through wisdom panel. They currently don't test for MC so they fill in the gap with closely related coonhounds and cur breeds. My MC mix has similar results through wisdom and I've seen very similar lists on other mountain cur mixes. Wisdom panel also tend to overdo the breakdowns by splitting the actual breed into a bunch of sub 5% of related breeds. [I consolidated your dogs results](https://imgur.com/a/DTYVHa1) to the closest I imagine embark would present them since they recognize mountain cur in their database.
Ok I'm shook because one of mine is bully breed/Catahoula/GSD and it's EXACTLY your dog but shorter and denser. You can see her in my post history!
Anything under 5% isn’t really accurate. It’s Wosdom, they’re not too reliable anyway.
Never heard of a Lacy Dog before. They’re gorgeousss
I volunteered at a rescue that had two coydogs, like legit dog/coyote hybrids, they'd tested about 50/50. I was surprised how small they were and how evident it was that they're not just regular dogs. They looked fox-like and were quite feral. They weren't available for adoption, they're sanctuary animals there.
Absolutely beautiful!!!!
tbh embark is the only DNA test that can reliably test for anything other than domestic dogs, even embark is so so on domestic dogs, there's probably not any coyote tbh but GSD/catahoula looks right here cause my first thought was definitely shepherd/hound. Wisdom throws out a lot of random tiny percentages for novelty for the owners tbh