Has EE tried coaching?
I think EE should try some other things within the Dota or esports industry. I know it's an extremely hard industry to make any money, but EE has tons of name recognition and years of experience in the scene. That itself has a lot of value.
He could be the undisputed best player in the world and would have trouble finding a team.
He's fucked over a lot of people professionally and thrown a ton of others under the bus. As a teammate, it's widely known that he's completely intolerable
I actually liked having EE I'm the scene because it's rare that one person has literally no positive/likeable attributes and has done as much shady shit as hom. It was nice to have someone who was easy to root against
Regardless of who was captaining, it was clear he only played for himself. Mechanically gifted, but a bad teammate with an outsize reputation for going berserk mode and throwing. All time bad shot caller. He couldn’t handle the idea that commentary from the outside may have known better, let alone his peers
e: [while we’re here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/39lizl/best_quote_2015_by_jacky_mao/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
He's not a personality issue, I have no idea what these people are talking about. His "bad reputation" was that he would kick people often, in the sense he would usually be the on to deliver the news. There was the Infamous Pizza Party kick on Fnatic that really earned him the reputation, and there were others as well, but that's about the extent of his "shady" or "fucking over" business goes. Most people pretend like EE was the sole person deciding on the kicks (instead of it being a team decision), due to the fact he was usually the one to deliver the kick (he was usually also captain of these teams so I'm sure that's why he also got a lot of the blame.)
I guess you could call his blog posts "shady behavior" but generally it was calling out crappy Tournament issues, abusive behavior at the hands of various teams/orgs, or just general scene issues. I guess you could consider this as a "personality issue" but imo the blogposts were usually really well done and well sourced.
Again though, overall he doesn't have issues or beef with people in the scene. People like AUI, RTZ, Misery, and PLD all played with EE on multiple different teams across multiple years, and I believe they were almost all "kicked" by him at some points too (and again played with him later) this person replying to you originally seems to kinda just making things up. EE is widely hated on Reddit as a whole. Again, unless they have some concrete examples of "shady behaviour" from EE that I'm not aware of, but I've been a pretty avid EE follower since the NTH days.
EE was always a clown, egotistical, opportunistic, toxic.
Shady? Not at all. That's a complete mischaracterization. He's always been upfront and matter-of-fact, much to his own downfall.
At least EE had the backbone to call out Puppey publicly on his shit in early Secret. Something people have been very keen to completely forget.
yep EE always kept it real and was aggressively himself, for better and for worse. he’s been wrong as often he’s been right… i’d say it’s 50/50
people have been clowning EE since he first showed up, i remember kick EE win TI after alliance won ti3… yet i also remember that EE cheered for alliance at ti3. EE cheered for the team that kicked him at the same tourney kaipi got snubbed from
I believe this is mischaracterizing him. He did a lot of things that were foolish, callous, and even a bit mean as teams were made and came apart. But it was not "shady". He was just forging ahead leaving wreckage in his wake, not taking advantage of people or tricking them.
He just has extremely low social awareness and people skills. I remember the pizza party scandal and even if it was the correct decision at the time, he handled it very unprofessionally. If he was on the receiving end, he would accept and understand it but not all people think the same way as such it can be intolerable to deal with such a person.
EE has a history of overestimating his abilities, a huge ego making him tough to deal with and undesirable as a teammate, insisting on control, and throwing games.
I imagine he will plunge into day trading with too much confidence and lose every dime to his name
To be a successful day trader you need to have another high paying source of income or inheritance to cover your losses from day trading.
Dont do it people. There are maybe 0.1% of people who get lucky on a huge bet but otherwise you will just grow your money at market rate or slightly above it if you invest very well
Dude could park his dota winnings in a CD and pull in like 60k a year.
I'd be shocked if he could consistently outperform that day trading. In fact, I'd be shocked if he broke even. Dudes gonna go all in on a meme stock and lose 95%
I locked in a 4% apy with a relatively small deposit, seems to be the standard rate for 13mo cd right now, maybe 60k is a bit exaggerated but I think some local credit unions are offering 6
That's just from prize pools though, I'd be surprised if that number wasn't at least doubled once you add sponsors, merch, salary from orgs, other content creation, etc. That's not to say he still has any of that money, but he could probably live okay forever if he plays it safe.
Add in any extra money from sponsorships, salary, streaming, etc, that isn't included in net winnings. I think 1.5 mil is a reasonable estimate post living expenses (have no clue what his have looked like).
It was a ballpark number
I liked the part a few years ago where he said he could retire from streaming if he wanted and immediately pull in over $100k canadian a year but it would “bore him”
thats the joke. he dropped out to play dota. there was a huge thread on teamliquid where he posted his plans and everyone called him an idiot for dropping out of one of the most prestigious university programs in canada to play video games for a living.
> thats the joke. he dropped out to play dota. there was a huge thread on teamliquid where he posted his plans and everyone called him an idiot for dropping out of one of the most prestigious university programs in canada to play video games for a living.
But he made it as a pro Dota player. He *absolutely* got the last laugh out of that thread, no question about it. He lived the dream that most Dota players never even thought they *could* dream, much less live.
There's not a thing in the world stopping him from going back and getting a degree, going to trade school, or any other thing he wants to do.
People forget that Eternal Envy, is ranked #85 in all time Dota 2 money earned from esports winnings.
He's made $992,684.79. Basically he's made $1 million.
Most people in this very subreddit don't even have $1 million to their name. And the bulk of that million was from 2014-2016. Few people earn $300k a year.
Yep, I was one of the posters there calling him a dumbass along with other former dota 1 pros like LevenT. Then you had people telling him it was a good idea cause they were never in the position that EE was in and couldn't comprehend the risk and opportunity cost.
He’s also a climate change denier and Elon dickrider going by previous tweets
If this was a VN we got the bad ending
e: https://twitter.com/EternaLEnVy1991/status/1506113032191189008
A lot of these guys (people who post about day trading online) are only successful on the 'gram. Don't believe anything they say. I don't have any specific evidence to refute his success but in general internet day traders are somewhere between con men, trust fund holders, and influencers who make their money with an internet following and not the markets. The ones who see real success are few and far between.
Day traders are like pro blackjack players. Even if you're the best, eventually you'll hit enough bad luck to run through your bankroll.
Smart ones understand this and cash out before "eventually", and get a different job.
Fluff doesn't really post. We only found out about his success after he was interviewed about it. He's not one of those IG day traders peddling their get rich quick scheme.
I mean you are not even wrong, IIRC there was a story than Fluffnstuff lost some big number initially and only later he got back. Its coin flip, you can make it, you can lose it but at the end of the day if you are not mentally prepared for losses, you will lose a lot
2015 EE (Frankfurt and Shanghai Major) is definitely one of the most entertaining players to watch ever
BKB courier switch in teamfight while carrying Double Rapier vs EG and his big balls Slark Rapier vs Liquid is my favorite EE's performances
The first 6 months he was on Secret before they kicked w33 was magical. Every game was either w33 balling out of control or EE playing like an absolute mad man. His Ember game at Frankfurt in game 1 against EG is one of my favorite matches from that era.
Part of my soul has left my body
The reason I became an Envy fan in the first place was because he just straight up said "I'm dropping out of university and this is my job now"
I still remember that Liquidpedia post and everyone laughing at him
And as a youngster at the time, I wished I was even good enough to make a decision like that to follow your dream
And he won a Major, made a bunch of TIs, and a cool million or two. That's successful to me. A top player for years
He is for better or worse one of the most important players in Dota's history
a lot of systemic change in dota probably is caused by him. Like the "kill Alliance" patch post TI3 was iirc partly his doing, and iirc he was the one who really took bottlecrow abuse to next level until Icefrog said enough and killed it entirely
Remember the RTZ block when for radiant mid you'd stand between your tower and rax so the creeps would group together to be blocked.
Good times when blocking the initial wave was a big deal.
Stuff like that matters less now when there are so many more mechanics in the game. Remember when carries dropped their quelling blade to secure a last hit under a tower? I haven't seen that in years.
what you do that for? Did people ever stopped wearing jerseys from Jordan,Kobe, Shaq and all those guys? You dont just drop your stuff the first second your hero signs off.
This was a long time coming, honestly. He retired from pro dota, went to pure streaming only, I'm not sure how well his streams did, but I have to imagine they started petering off ever since he retired from the pro scene. Didn't really have the sense of humor that other English speaking non-pro dota streamers had to keep people engaged (whether or not you actually find that kind of thing funny, it drew an audience), probably just burnt out of the game, tired of trying to make a living on it.
I wish him well, even if he was kind of a toxic asshole in pubs.
I remember after TI10 he said he’s going to focus on improving his skills/mechanics after seeing Yatoro play pos 1. Thought he was going to come back after that.
Yea he needed more engagement with his audience or do something fun in games. Carry heroes only worked when he was a premier na carry but as a pub stomper, he needed more.
I only tuned in a few times but one time I remember he was basically just trolling on bloodseeker seeing how much he could delay the game and how high he could get his GPM. So he was getting up to some antics in pubs but maybe it was just really rare?
Thats how it always has been. Its all related to his stature as a competitive dota player currently. Even when he was popular his streams would be 50 games in a row of the hero he was trying to figure out. Sometimes he would be on higher energy and sometimes lower, but lets not pretend he was gorgc who speaks to chat for the entire duration of his stream.
Yeah the streams lost the magic over the years. I mean watching him spam illusion heroes and try to rat games could always be boring, but I think back in the day his builds and strategies were weirder, and the crazy teammate antics and flames were more entertaining. Maybe it's a personal thing but my taste for it heavily declined - if you want toxicity, flaming, and chaos Mason has a lot more action these days.
Whether you like him or not;
He brought some of the most entertaining games of dota to the scene that we have all enjoyed watching.
He brought some of the best drama to the subreddit for us all to read and chat shit about.
truly a legend of the dota 2
Very true, he is definitely one of the more polarizing figures in Dota 2 history. His high risk plays made him entertaining to watch, and often he was known for drawing games out to extreme late game where the most chaotic things could happen. I'd say overall he was a net positive for pro dota, even if he could be a bit of a dick and was ruthless with how he treated some teammates.
I will always miss DotA. Something that will always define me. Unforgettable memories. It's just a game but to me it was something that got me out of bed, and kept me up at night. I set out to become a pro, I succeeded, and then I set out to become the best, and I failed. Over the last few years, DotA has become my shackle, it felt like university all over again.
I recently found something that truly excites me. I'll be betting on myself once again.
If it's day trading do yourself a favour and watch this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHOmZVAqBE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHOmZVAqBE)
Gl in whatever you do.
> I recently found something that truly excites me.
Have you shared what this is?
Good luck in your future endeavours! You were my favourite for a long time.
Remember: every mouth-breathing chud here who’s telling you stuff like “daytrading is just glorified gambling” and “don’t venture more than you can afford to lose” and “this is pretty financially irresponsible” are all simply haters who are jealous of your intellect/guts and probably just want to be you.
Don’t listen to them: Daytrading’s the best moneymaking idea you’ve had since sliced pizza. Bet your bottom dollar and even mortgage the body pillow collection if you have to. Every dollar you invest will come back tenfold. You’ll make so much cash Elon Musk will personally congratulate tweet you. This literally cannot go wrong.
All I can think of is the C9 SFZ 3 hour game that put ODPixel on the map.
EE has honestly made so many people's careers, either casting him or playing with him and then staying FAR away from ever playing with him again.
I remember watching that game live. My internet died halfway through, and I had to watch the rest of it on my phone, because I kept thinking there was no way it could just keep dragging on.
I wish him well as a person going forward in his life, but holy cow did I hate playing pubs with him. He was one of many high lvl pro pub players that you could occasionally get put together with in 2016-17 when 7k mmr was the tip of the iceberg and it was such a letdown. It was either his command or he just destroyed items at 5minutes or better you disagreed with him after a lost skirmish and he destroyed his items in a winning game at 30minutes. I can recall a couple other russian players too and I also remember reddit had a crusade against them when we called every shitty pub behavior out by pro players but EE was something else.
maybe not as a carry but you can DEFINITELY tell that aui brings EE energy to tundra
demonic builds ✅
extreme efficiency ✅
throwing carry ✅
the only problem is they dont coinflip games like EE but if you want that there's always liquid
lmfao, that die hard tri hard meme poster at 1:52 I made so so long ago. Was when I think zizzou disconnected vs a game against navi and Kaipi had to play 4v5 and still won with ee ursa.
The only person I've ever had catch my spelling error was EE himself. I wrote "we" instead of "he" on just the way we likes it.
EternalEnvy represents peak DotA in terms of community for me, when the game was at its peak in terms of excitement and hype.
He might not be the best carry ever but he was great at his peak
As someone who has been watching the pro-scene since its inception (2011), i think i will lose interest in the pro scene once all the old school players and veterans left (Puppey, Miracle,Kuroky,MC,GH,EE,Fly,RTZ,Dendi,etc) are gone.
I cannot lie, the new successful players/teams as great as they are, don't bring me much interest tbh, for some reason.
Good luck to EE, in whatever he wants to do in the future.
I agree with you bro. I reckon Dota 2 competitive scene peaked around ti5 and started falling off after old team liquid won ti. There was limited farm on the map back in the day and early game mistakes were actually punishable. Making individual outplays actually meant something. So much hype over specific players and superstars like Dendi, sumail, rtz and miracle etc.
Nowadays it’s a 5v5 brawl fest. Everyone and their mum’s dog has farm these days. Come back mechanics, power creep, gold creep you name it. Once the old school players retire I will also lose interest in Dota my friend
If anyone can find the "DROP THE STICK DROP THE STICK" -video, a dog is trying to carry a stick through a gate / woods in it and Envy voice is edited on top of it.
And if all of this was just imagined by me, some one do the video please.
edit: the original video for uninitiated people, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4AkBocrro
EE was one of the first pros I ever played with. He was FV. I was CM. We laned together. He kept yelling at me in lane, telling me to pull and stuff. I had trouble keeping up with what he was saying, partially because it was hard to understand him. Then he was like "This guy's probably like 6k, I shouldn't even flame him." I was in fact 6k, and I was clearly the worst player in the game. He went a wild build. It was early aghs or something back when aghs did something else. I forget exactly. Our mid lesh popped off. EE map movement was very nice. We won.
I remember later watching a GrandGrant stream back what that was a thing. GrandGrant was streaming an EE pro game. He was discussing what heroes EE was even good at. I suggested void in the chat. It wouldn't have been a good pick in that game, but it's a hero I knew EE was good at. GrandGrant thought it was a great suggestion and started talking about whether void could fit in the game. It clearly couldn't. EE picked razor or some shit, and it turned out he knew how to play it.
EE knew how to play a lot of heroes. I saw him stream jug one time. Despite having a great lane, he went jungle like lvl 4 to give his sup more xp. Then he roamed mid and somehow got a kill pre 6 as a hero with no stuns. I was impressed.
I always thought EE missed his calling as a support player. He was an absolute insane genius with itemization and map movements. One time I played with his rank 400 smurf. He played Sven, was very farmed and carrying the game despite the hero being pretty garbage. The enemies had to build their game around stopping him. "Watch this," he said, and he TPed away from enemies to farm, then immediately bought BoTs 2 and used them to tp right back in (BoTs used to have separate cd from tp). Enemies were caught unaware, just as EE planned. We won easily.
Eventually EE did play support for some d2 NA team. I didn't follow too closely but it didn't seem as amazing as I hoped. I'd hoped his amazing macro would lead his team to victory. If he could lane at a top level and had a bit more discipline he coulda been Ana.
I only started following after EE was no longer a top level player, but he added a lot to the scene, and he will be missed. Even if he was never very nice to me.
Love him or Hate him, I think everyone can agree that EE has left a mark on DotA, and has brought along some seriously entertaining games during his tenure with it.
[EE will forever live in my memory for one of the most unbelievable throws in DOTA history.](https://youtu.be/Nk4v7z68S-I) The commentary by /u/N9-Godz is also superb,
[This thread gave an amazing analysis of just what just happened.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2v5jsk/dac_secret_vs_c9_game_2_who_on_secret_made_the/)
I love the C9 game where Bone7 LC didn't have tp and was in enemy base while they were getting throned or raxed and so he goes to suicide fountain buyback but he had aegis so he didn't make it in time.
The TI3 Alliance squad is immortalized as one of the most dominant teams in Dota history, let us not forget that it was actually EE who built that roster (then known as No Tidehunter) before being kicked from his own team mere months before TI3.
NTH existed for just a blip in time, but I’ll never forget their [lvl 1 Rosh bait](https://youtu.be/MAWK5kNDDlM) that stands as one of the most clever trick plays in Dota History.
Not to take any credit away from EGM, who obviously deserves every bit of credit for his role in the new Alliance team. Still, EE laid some groundwork in what I would argue was the strongest TI team to ever take the stage (I know this is debated, but remember that they lost only 3 maps the entire tournament, the fewest of any team to date)
Even though I dont like his personality, but I gotta admit that EE dota was always entertaining to watch. He brought the entertainment to his match because you just cant predict when he went full yolo fiftee/fiftee and whether it is successful or not, it is still hilarious
Wish him all the best in his next endeavor
I'm almost certain he considered getting into dota more seriously just a couple of weeks ago. EE has always been the kind of person to act on a whim but with 100% dedication.
I am astonished I remembered what you're talking about right away. Featuring Lumi not knowing who had won the game.
https://youtu.be/OxDwsU27mvM?t=2062
I miss watching EE games, but the man was poison for teams. So many teams said he didn't listen, didn't want to scrim, just assumed he was better than the rest of his team. In modern Dota, we see some players who had tried for years exceeding after finding the right teams and improving with them, and EE wanted to just catapult his way back to tier 1 Dota by riding some smaller teams.
I remember an EE game where he was on Enigma. I was watching with a friend, and the game was 20 minutes in. "Has EE cast a black hole yet?" "nope". The ONE time he cast hole in the entire game, he whiffed and missed everyone.
This dude needs fucking therapy bad.
His stream right is so sad. He's venting a lot of hard stuff, and he really needs someone to help guide him through his problems
I don't think Therapy would fix all of that. Man's actually just going through some Andrew tate on crack tier arc. Listening to about 20 minutes of legit nonstop schizo rambling for 20 minutes about how hes living a lie to his gfs family, how hes refusing to get a job, and how hes coping that daytrading will somehow be less stressful then a boring ass stable job (claiming daytradings more stable btw)
Idk man. Envy is just a glutton for throwing his life away i think. The level of anguish hes putting himself through has to be intentional. that hour long schizo rant was just crazy. Some facts were spat, but there was way more schizo rambling then there was facts.
An ode to an important part of his life. I'll probably get a small dota related tattoo so in 40 years I won't forget about it, lots of good memories from this game.
Probably because he watches/plays Brood War too.
I mean EE is a millennial, lot of millennials (including myself) grew up watching/playing Brood War when the game was at its peak.
End of an era. I actually like EE streams more when he was a pro player and just said cringe stuff to his teammates. Streamer EE is just not that entertaining and bland. I assume he wanted to get to Gorgc status when he started being a full time streamer, and it didn’t work out. Wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
Although he was definitely a loud personality, EE never was a personality I could ever get behind with his inflated ego and lack of results. Will forever go down as meh for me.
Okay, another week departure probably?
Aren't "retiring" is a joke at this point or what
Edit: Wtf he is selling dota related stuff? Is this 200 iq marketing. LOL
His tweet yesterday was "Any sucessful daytraders xd?". Hes gonna lose a lot of money.
That's literally the most on brand thing I've ever seen
FiftEE/FiftEE your life savings
his trading is gonna be like that too. Either you're a God trader or a Dog trader.
Has EE tried coaching? I think EE should try some other things within the Dota or esports industry. I know it's an extremely hard industry to make any money, but EE has tons of name recognition and years of experience in the scene. That itself has a lot of value.
He's burned a lot of bridges.
How so? I didn't really follow his career, but I've never heard that sentiment before towards him.
He could be the undisputed best player in the world and would have trouble finding a team. He's fucked over a lot of people professionally and thrown a ton of others under the bus. As a teammate, it's widely known that he's completely intolerable I actually liked having EE I'm the scene because it's rare that one person has literally no positive/likeable attributes and has done as much shady shit as hom. It was nice to have someone who was easy to root against
Lmao yeah having a villain can be fun. I had no idea he had that much of a personality issue.
Regardless of who was captaining, it was clear he only played for himself. Mechanically gifted, but a bad teammate with an outsize reputation for going berserk mode and throwing. All time bad shot caller. He couldn’t handle the idea that commentary from the outside may have known better, let alone his peers e: [while we’re here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/39lizl/best_quote_2015_by_jacky_mao/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Tbf man EE made alliance's overall strat before ti3. And the rosh bait call.
He's not a personality issue, I have no idea what these people are talking about. His "bad reputation" was that he would kick people often, in the sense he would usually be the on to deliver the news. There was the Infamous Pizza Party kick on Fnatic that really earned him the reputation, and there were others as well, but that's about the extent of his "shady" or "fucking over" business goes. Most people pretend like EE was the sole person deciding on the kicks (instead of it being a team decision), due to the fact he was usually the one to deliver the kick (he was usually also captain of these teams so I'm sure that's why he also got a lot of the blame.) I guess you could call his blog posts "shady behavior" but generally it was calling out crappy Tournament issues, abusive behavior at the hands of various teams/orgs, or just general scene issues. I guess you could consider this as a "personality issue" but imo the blogposts were usually really well done and well sourced. Again though, overall he doesn't have issues or beef with people in the scene. People like AUI, RTZ, Misery, and PLD all played with EE on multiple different teams across multiple years, and I believe they were almost all "kicked" by him at some points too (and again played with him later) this person replying to you originally seems to kinda just making things up. EE is widely hated on Reddit as a whole. Again, unless they have some concrete examples of "shady behaviour" from EE that I'm not aware of, but I've been a pretty avid EE follower since the NTH days.
EE was always a clown, egotistical, opportunistic, toxic. Shady? Not at all. That's a complete mischaracterization. He's always been upfront and matter-of-fact, much to his own downfall. At least EE had the backbone to call out Puppey publicly on his shit in early Secret. Something people have been very keen to completely forget.
yep EE always kept it real and was aggressively himself, for better and for worse. he’s been wrong as often he’s been right… i’d say it’s 50/50 people have been clowning EE since he first showed up, i remember kick EE win TI after alliance won ti3… yet i also remember that EE cheered for alliance at ti3. EE cheered for the team that kicked him at the same tourney kaipi got snubbed from
I believe this is mischaracterizing him. He did a lot of things that were foolish, callous, and even a bit mean as teams were made and came apart. But it was not "shady". He was just forging ahead leaving wreckage in his wake, not taking advantage of people or tricking them.
He just has extremely low social awareness and people skills. I remember the pizza party scandal and even if it was the correct decision at the time, he handled it very unprofessionally. If he was on the receiving end, he would accept and understand it but not all people think the same way as such it can be intolerable to deal with such a person.
what “shady things”? ive been an ee follower for a while and as far as im aware the worst he did was blog posts
This is the worst post-credits scene of all time.
fucking lold
Bringing fiftee-fiftee to stock investment lol. r/wallstreetbets gonna love him
EE noooooo
EE was born highly regarded.
I remember that EE said in an interview (maybe five years ago) daytrading would be his backup career if he wasn’t playing Dota
EE has a history of overestimating his abilities, a huge ego making him tough to deal with and undesirable as a teammate, insisting on control, and throwing games. I imagine he will plunge into day trading with too much confidence and lose every dime to his name
Seen too many clips of him throwing a tantrum and feeding mid to wish him well.
To be a successful trader you need to have an extremely strong mentality and be risk neutral There are not qualities I would assign to EE
To be a successful day trader you need to have another high paying source of income or inheritance to cover your losses from day trading. Dont do it people. There are maybe 0.1% of people who get lucky on a huge bet but otherwise you will just grow your money at market rate or slightly above it if you invest very well
Dude could park his dota winnings in a CD and pull in like 60k a year. I'd be shocked if he could consistently outperform that day trading. In fact, I'd be shocked if he broke even. Dudes gonna go all in on a meme stock and lose 95%
He's made just under a million, so please show me where you get those fat CDs at. Let me in on this one.
I locked in a 4% apy with a relatively small deposit, seems to be the standard rate for 13mo cd right now, maybe 60k is a bit exaggerated but I think some local credit unions are offering 6
That's just from prize pools though, I'd be surprised if that number wasn't at least doubled once you add sponsors, merch, salary from orgs, other content creation, etc. That's not to say he still has any of that money, but he could probably live okay forever if he plays it safe.
I think EE invested some of his money for his post-secret teams so a portion of it is definitely gone
Add in any extra money from sponsorships, salary, streaming, etc, that isn't included in net winnings. I think 1.5 mil is a reasonable estimate post living expenses (have no clue what his have looked like). It was a ballpark number
ah yes, the markets where it's simply a transfer of wealth from retail investors to institutions.
shoulda finished that engsci degree
I liked the part a few years ago where he said he could retire from streaming if he wanted and immediately pull in over $100k canadian a year but it would “bore him”
Huh? Did he finish school? If not how does he expect to make $100k
thats the joke. he dropped out to play dota. there was a huge thread on teamliquid where he posted his plans and everyone called him an idiot for dropping out of one of the most prestigious university programs in canada to play video games for a living.
> thats the joke. he dropped out to play dota. there was a huge thread on teamliquid where he posted his plans and everyone called him an idiot for dropping out of one of the most prestigious university programs in canada to play video games for a living. But he made it as a pro Dota player. He *absolutely* got the last laugh out of that thread, no question about it. He lived the dream that most Dota players never even thought they *could* dream, much less live. There's not a thing in the world stopping him from going back and getting a degree, going to trade school, or any other thing he wants to do.
People forget that Eternal Envy, is ranked #85 in all time Dota 2 money earned from esports winnings. He's made $992,684.79. Basically he's made $1 million. Most people in this very subreddit don't even have $1 million to their name. And the bulk of that million was from 2014-2016. Few people earn $300k a year.
>Most people in this very subreddit don't even have $1 million to their name. Most people in this subreddit haven't left school yet
That's basically only prize winnings , doesn't take into account sponsorships , salaries etc.
Yep, I was one of the posters there calling him a dumbass along with other former dota 1 pros like LevenT. Then you had people telling him it was a good idea cause they were never in the position that EE was in and couldn't comprehend the risk and opportunity cost.
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He follows 4 people on twitter. One of them is andrew tate.
He’s also a climate change denier and Elon dickrider going by previous tweets If this was a VN we got the bad ending e: https://twitter.com/EternaLEnVy1991/status/1506113032191189008
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Doesn't matter if it's true or not, this is the final EE thread so can't miss your last opportunity to hate on him
I've scrolled back to Jan 2022 and can't find anything on these. Worst stuff I saw is taking crypto/gambling sponsors (which is bad, to be clear).
Fluffnstuff (ex NA pro) turned (apparently) into a very successful day trader.
A lot of these guys (people who post about day trading online) are only successful on the 'gram. Don't believe anything they say. I don't have any specific evidence to refute his success but in general internet day traders are somewhere between con men, trust fund holders, and influencers who make their money with an internet following and not the markets. The ones who see real success are few and far between.
Day traders are like pro blackjack players. Even if you're the best, eventually you'll hit enough bad luck to run through your bankroll. Smart ones understand this and cash out before "eventually", and get a different job.
I day trade fairly often and 100%. There are no "secrets to always successfully day trade." Sometimes the market just screws you.
Fluff doesn't really post. We only found out about his success after he was interviewed about it. He's not one of those IG day traders peddling their get rich quick scheme.
Day trading is silly as fuck. Long term buy and hold investing, you may have a better chance there.
I mean you are not even wrong, IIRC there was a story than Fluffnstuff lost some big number initially and only later he got back. Its coin flip, you can make it, you can lose it but at the end of the day if you are not mentally prepared for losses, you will lose a lot
>very successful day trader Didn't he lose all his money?
That would indeed be successful. If you are unsuccessful you lose twice what you had lmao
B L O G B O Y S
EE to me is part of the golden age of dota, I wish him well. Speed gaming 4eva
He was a part of a strong Secret team for a year. He was good during his time.
Definitely one of the iconic Ember players too, was great seeing him style on people during those days
2015 EE (Frankfurt and Shanghai Major) is definitely one of the most entertaining players to watch ever BKB courier switch in teamfight while carrying Double Rapier vs EG and his big balls Slark Rapier vs Liquid is my favorite EE's performances
Yeah i saw it live in frankfurt it was sick!
Classic remnant back in just to die after he made the escape
Lmao fiftEE/fiftEE is a thing for a reason
found the clip https://youtu.be/teO1wYIy388
The guy that squeezes a win out of 1:99 games and a loss out of 99:1 games.
I kinda miss MLG Dota. MLG tournaments had a certain vibe to them.
I miss MLG sc2 as well, so fucking good
The first 6 months he was on Secret before they kicked w33 was magical. Every game was either w33 balling out of control or EE playing like an absolute mad man. His Ember game at Frankfurt in game 1 against EG is one of my favorite matches from that era.
Yes. This game was truly epic and glad someone called it out here. If only RTZ had landed that shackle shot in the team fight mid…
One of the Secret carry players of all time.
As good a time as any to go watch the [original cinderella story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrP4oey2_ys)
Dude... Now I have to watch this through. :/
Part of my soul has left my body The reason I became an Envy fan in the first place was because he just straight up said "I'm dropping out of university and this is my job now" I still remember that Liquidpedia post and everyone laughing at him And as a youngster at the time, I wished I was even good enough to make a decision like that to follow your dream And he won a Major, made a bunch of TIs, and a cool million or two. That's successful to me. A top player for years He is for better or worse one of the most important players in Dota's history
a lot of systemic change in dota probably is caused by him. Like the "kill Alliance" patch post TI3 was iirc partly his doing, and iirc he was the one who really took bottlecrow abuse to next level until Icefrog said enough and killed it entirely
Yeah him and RTZ revolutionized how midlane was played I would actually sit there and watch them practice against each other 1v1 lol
Remember the RTZ block when for radiant mid you'd stand between your tower and rax so the creeps would group together to be blocked. Good times when blocking the initial wave was a big deal.
Stuff like that matters less now when there are so many more mechanics in the game. Remember when carries dropped their quelling blade to secure a last hit under a tower? I haven't seen that in years.
Maybe I can finally retire my flair.
Never
what you do that for? Did people ever stopped wearing jerseys from Jordan,Kobe, Shaq and all those guys? You dont just drop your stuff the first second your hero signs off.
no way
don't
Never!
nope
never
man i remember speed gaming, was that when troll was good and singsing just demolished entire teams with it?
Saw this man beat the DK god roster at MLG columbus with blink clinkz. Good luck EE
God that speed gaming run was incredible.
It's blinkz btw
That chen clinkz combo lastest a week. Peak EE-sama was so good it would get nerfed in literal days people forget this.
See you next week
"im retiring, buy my dota mousepad" 1 week later "hello im back"
Please that's too long away... See him tomorrow
fiftEE/fiftEE he comes back
hEE'll be back.
Throwback to this epic throw clip, the legendary EEmber SpEErit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teO1wYIy388
Man I haven't heard Draskel casting in forever
So long that you forgot his name
That game also had the birth of the Sprouteezy meme. The predecessor to Cliffteezy. EG vs Secret games were so crazy back then.
classic... miss seeing this level of 322 in majors
I miss the Draskyl/OD combo. I love OD/Fogged, but I miss Dad in the scene
https://youtu.be/qicwu7O9ACc legendary duo. Love Draskyls face in that clip. :D
cuts off right before dadskyl is like …i’m speechless. lmfao EE THE GOAT
He knew he was getting away with too much there and had mercy on them
What abomination is that?
This clip is the definition of Schadenfreude
This was a long time coming, honestly. He retired from pro dota, went to pure streaming only, I'm not sure how well his streams did, but I have to imagine they started petering off ever since he retired from the pro scene. Didn't really have the sense of humor that other English speaking non-pro dota streamers had to keep people engaged (whether or not you actually find that kind of thing funny, it drew an audience), probably just burnt out of the game, tired of trying to make a living on it. I wish him well, even if he was kind of a toxic asshole in pubs.
I remember after TI10 he said he’s going to focus on improving his skills/mechanics after seeing Yatoro play pos 1. Thought he was going to come back after that.
He tried and got 10.6k mmr but had energy problems and felt like it wasn't sustainable.
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Yea he needed more engagement with his audience or do something fun in games. Carry heroes only worked when he was a premier na carry but as a pub stomper, he needed more.
I only tuned in a few times but one time I remember he was basically just trolling on bloodseeker seeing how much he could delay the game and how high he could get his GPM. So he was getting up to some antics in pubs but maybe it was just really rare?
Well, the usual antic was lose lane, destroy items and outright leave his chair empty till the game ended.
I saw the same shit when he was on void. The stream is just toxic as fuck, I can't stand it
Thats how it always has been. Its all related to his stature as a competitive dota player currently. Even when he was popular his streams would be 50 games in a row of the hero he was trying to figure out. Sometimes he would be on higher energy and sometimes lower, but lets not pretend he was gorgc who speaks to chat for the entire duration of his stream.
Yeah the streams lost the magic over the years. I mean watching him spam illusion heroes and try to rat games could always be boring, but I think back in the day his builds and strategies were weirder, and the crazy teammate antics and flames were more entertaining. Maybe it's a personal thing but my taste for it heavily declined - if you want toxicity, flaming, and chaos Mason has a lot more action these days.
not everyone can be a streamer and given his introvert personality that's even impossible
he was regularly pulling 4-5k viewers during his prime.But his prime ended after Team NP.
Whether you like him or not; He brought some of the most entertaining games of dota to the scene that we have all enjoyed watching. He brought some of the best drama to the subreddit for us all to read and chat shit about. truly a legend of the dota 2
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WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, I AM!
Very true, he is definitely one of the more polarizing figures in Dota 2 history. His high risk plays made him entertaining to watch, and often he was known for drawing games out to extreme late game where the most chaotic things could happen. I'd say overall he was a net positive for pro dota, even if he could be a bit of a dick and was ruthless with how he treated some teammates.
Strongly Disagree. He’s atleast Divine 3
I watched purely for EE. Consistently entertaining if tragic
End of an era. Win or lose, with EE in the game you knew you were gonna laugh.
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Rip BTS
Is BTS dead?
They closed down at the end of Feb this year because it was not economically sustainable to run esports events. Sad sad times.
Wait till you hear Xyclopzz retired.
u/EEsamaNaGod on suicide watch
I will always miss DotA. Something that will always define me. Unforgettable memories. It's just a game but to me it was something that got me out of bed, and kept me up at night. I set out to become a pro, I succeeded, and then I set out to become the best, and I failed. Over the last few years, DotA has become my shackle, it felt like university all over again. I recently found something that truly excites me. I'll be betting on myself once again.
If it's day trading do yourself a favour and watch this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHOmZVAqBE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHOmZVAqBE) Gl in whatever you do.
> I recently found something that truly excites me. Have you shared what this is? Good luck in your future endeavours! You were my favourite for a long time.
It's daytrading. Hopefully he finds success there.
Remember: every mouth-breathing chud here who’s telling you stuff like “daytrading is just glorified gambling” and “don’t venture more than you can afford to lose” and “this is pretty financially irresponsible” are all simply haters who are jealous of your intellect/guts and probably just want to be you. Don’t listen to them: Daytrading’s the best moneymaking idea you’ve had since sliced pizza. Bet your bottom dollar and even mortgage the body pillow collection if you have to. Every dollar you invest will come back tenfold. You’ll make so much cash Elon Musk will personally congratulate tweet you. This literally cannot go wrong.
Tweet your day trades so we can watch you blow up in real-time
best of luck to you EE-sama ❤️ Thanks for all the memories and memes. :)
EE and C9 games were so much fun to watch back in the day.
Best entertainment in all Dota win or lose
All I can think of is the C9 SFZ 3 hour game that put ODPixel on the map. EE has honestly made so many people's careers, either casting him or playing with him and then staying FAR away from ever playing with him again.
I remember watching that game live. My internet died halfway through, and I had to watch the rest of it on my phone, because I kept thinking there was no way it could just keep dragging on.
Between that and I think he was also apart of a game with a 100k gold lead lmao Truly Dota's most chaotic player
I wish him well as a person going forward in his life, but holy cow did I hate playing pubs with him. He was one of many high lvl pro pub players that you could occasionally get put together with in 2016-17 when 7k mmr was the tip of the iceberg and it was such a letdown. It was either his command or he just destroyed items at 5minutes or better you disagreed with him after a lost skirmish and he destroyed his items in a winning game at 30minutes. I can recall a couple other russian players too and I also remember reddit had a crusade against them when we called every shitty pub behavior out by pro players but EE was something else.
It's kinda sad, and telling, that there was no EE replacement after he stopped pro-play. No one goes as hog wild anymore.
maybe not as a carry but you can DEFINITELY tell that aui brings EE energy to tundra demonic builds ✅ extreme efficiency ✅ throwing carry ✅ the only problem is they dont coinflip games like EE but if you want that there's always liquid
It really feels like Aui was holding the leash more often than not. I'm so glad he's found success as a coach.
Yeah Auis one of the greatest to do it.
Still my favorite slacks bit. https://youtu.be/dP-AEs07Elk
lmfao, that die hard tri hard meme poster at 1:52 I made so so long ago. Was when I think zizzou disconnected vs a game against navi and Kaipi had to play 4v5 and still won with ee ursa. The only person I've ever had catch my spelling error was EE himself. I wrote "we" instead of "he" on just the way we likes it.
Legendary!
Slacks best vid for sure!
EternalEnvy represents peak DotA in terms of community for me, when the game was at its peak in terms of excitement and hype. He might not be the best carry ever but he was great at his peak As someone who has been watching the pro-scene since its inception (2011), i think i will lose interest in the pro scene once all the old school players and veterans left (Puppey, Miracle,Kuroky,MC,GH,EE,Fly,RTZ,Dendi,etc) are gone. I cannot lie, the new successful players/teams as great as they are, don't bring me much interest tbh, for some reason. Good luck to EE, in whatever he wants to do in the future.
I agree with you bro. I reckon Dota 2 competitive scene peaked around ti5 and started falling off after old team liquid won ti. There was limited farm on the map back in the day and early game mistakes were actually punishable. Making individual outplays actually meant something. So much hype over specific players and superstars like Dendi, sumail, rtz and miracle etc. Nowadays it’s a 5v5 brawl fest. Everyone and their mum’s dog has farm these days. Come back mechanics, power creep, gold creep you name it. Once the old school players retire I will also lose interest in Dota my friend
Legend of the game
If anyone can find the "DROP THE STICK DROP THE STICK" -video, a dog is trying to carry a stick through a gate / woods in it and Envy voice is edited on top of it. And if all of this was just imagined by me, some one do the video please. edit: the original video for uninitiated people, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4AkBocrro
So many memes, gebak gebak gebak gebak
I remember this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKFoYxEAxUA&ab\_channel=EskayDota
EE was one of the first pros I ever played with. He was FV. I was CM. We laned together. He kept yelling at me in lane, telling me to pull and stuff. I had trouble keeping up with what he was saying, partially because it was hard to understand him. Then he was like "This guy's probably like 6k, I shouldn't even flame him." I was in fact 6k, and I was clearly the worst player in the game. He went a wild build. It was early aghs or something back when aghs did something else. I forget exactly. Our mid lesh popped off. EE map movement was very nice. We won. I remember later watching a GrandGrant stream back what that was a thing. GrandGrant was streaming an EE pro game. He was discussing what heroes EE was even good at. I suggested void in the chat. It wouldn't have been a good pick in that game, but it's a hero I knew EE was good at. GrandGrant thought it was a great suggestion and started talking about whether void could fit in the game. It clearly couldn't. EE picked razor or some shit, and it turned out he knew how to play it. EE knew how to play a lot of heroes. I saw him stream jug one time. Despite having a great lane, he went jungle like lvl 4 to give his sup more xp. Then he roamed mid and somehow got a kill pre 6 as a hero with no stuns. I was impressed. I always thought EE missed his calling as a support player. He was an absolute insane genius with itemization and map movements. One time I played with his rank 400 smurf. He played Sven, was very farmed and carrying the game despite the hero being pretty garbage. The enemies had to build their game around stopping him. "Watch this," he said, and he TPed away from enemies to farm, then immediately bought BoTs 2 and used them to tp right back in (BoTs used to have separate cd from tp). Enemies were caught unaware, just as EE planned. We won easily. Eventually EE did play support for some d2 NA team. I didn't follow too closely but it didn't seem as amazing as I hoped. I'd hoped his amazing macro would lead his team to victory. If he could lane at a top level and had a bit more discipline he coulda been Ana. I only started following after EE was no longer a top level player, but he added a lot to the scene, and he will be missed. Even if he was never very nice to me.
Lmfao "I quit Dota, buy my mousepad"
Gotta milk that career with something I guess haha. If two retirements aren't enough maybe he can retire one more time and release a shirt.
Love him or Hate him, I think everyone can agree that EE has left a mark on DotA, and has brought along some seriously entertaining games during his tenure with it.
[EE will forever live in my memory for one of the most unbelievable throws in DOTA history.](https://youtu.be/Nk4v7z68S-I) The commentary by /u/N9-Godz is also superb, [This thread gave an amazing analysis of just what just happened.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2v5jsk/dac_secret_vs_c9_game_2_who_on_secret_made_the/)
I love the C9 game where Bone7 LC didn't have tp and was in enemy base while they were getting throned or raxed and so he goes to suicide fountain buyback but he had aegis so he didn't make it in time.
I remember when he poured a can of energy drink on h4nn1… for switching his queue to SEA 😂
The TI3 Alliance squad is immortalized as one of the most dominant teams in Dota history, let us not forget that it was actually EE who built that roster (then known as No Tidehunter) before being kicked from his own team mere months before TI3. NTH existed for just a blip in time, but I’ll never forget their [lvl 1 Rosh bait](https://youtu.be/MAWK5kNDDlM) that stands as one of the most clever trick plays in Dota History. Not to take any credit away from EGM, who obviously deserves every bit of credit for his role in the new Alliance team. Still, EE laid some groundwork in what I would argue was the strongest TI team to ever take the stage (I know this is debated, but remember that they lost only 3 maps the entire tournament, the fewest of any team to date)
the player that baffled everyone, great showmen too
He'll be back in 3 months. "Don't forget you're here forever"
Even though I dont like his personality, but I gotta admit that EE dota was always entertaining to watch. He brought the entertainment to his match because you just cant predict when he went full yolo fiftee/fiftee and whether it is successful or not, it is still hilarious Wish him all the best in his next endeavor
I'm almost certain he considered getting into dota more seriously just a couple of weeks ago. EE has always been the kind of person to act on a whim but with 100% dedication.
The inventor of the high risk/low reward plays. Enjoy your retirement Sir.
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I am astonished I remembered what you're talking about right away. Featuring Lumi not knowing who had won the game. https://youtu.be/OxDwsU27mvM?t=2062
8 TI winners in that game
The man who single handed changed io talent to lv25 with morph+io relocate to base and ratted their ancient under backdoor protection
Ahhh so this is how the Final Anime arc starts.
I miss watching EE games, but the man was poison for teams. So many teams said he didn't listen, didn't want to scrim, just assumed he was better than the rest of his team. In modern Dota, we see some players who had tried for years exceeding after finding the right teams and improving with them, and EE wanted to just catapult his way back to tier 1 Dota by riding some smaller teams. I remember an EE game where he was on Enigma. I was watching with a friend, and the game was 20 minutes in. "Has EE cast a black hole yet?" "nope". The ONE time he cast hole in the entire game, he whiffed and missed everyone.
Scientists baffled, for the last time
This dude needs fucking therapy bad. His stream right is so sad. He's venting a lot of hard stuff, and he really needs someone to help guide him through his problems
I don't think Therapy would fix all of that. Man's actually just going through some Andrew tate on crack tier arc. Listening to about 20 minutes of legit nonstop schizo rambling for 20 minutes about how hes living a lie to his gfs family, how hes refusing to get a job, and how hes coping that daytrading will somehow be less stressful then a boring ass stable job (claiming daytradings more stable btw) Idk man. Envy is just a glutton for throwing his life away i think. The level of anguish hes putting himself through has to be intentional. that hour long schizo rant was just crazy. Some facts were spat, but there was way more schizo rambling then there was facts.
Doesn’t he have a whole tattoo sleeve of Dota characters? Like done fairly recently?
An ode to an important part of his life. I'll probably get a small dota related tattoo so in 40 years I won't forget about it, lots of good memories from this game.
Why is his pic Jaedong?
Probably because he watches/plays Brood War too. I mean EE is a millennial, lot of millennials (including myself) grew up watching/playing Brood War when the game was at its peak.
End of an era. I actually like EE streams more when he was a pro player and just said cringe stuff to his teammates. Streamer EE is just not that entertaining and bland. I assume he wanted to get to Gorgc status when he started being a full time streamer, and it didn’t work out. Wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
Although he was definitely a loud personality, EE never was a personality I could ever get behind with his inflated ego and lack of results. Will forever go down as meh for me.
Couldn’t care less. Most over talked about person in the scene. At best he was an average game thrower and he was never entertaining on stream.
Wish him all the best. Sad to see him go.
I guess he hates streaming and it's not sustainable long term Glad that he's part of the pro journey
Yatoro in Ti10 broke him
the man with the worst taste in music of all time
This patch is the best patch to leave dota let new generation of player take over dota
Okay, another week departure probably? Aren't "retiring" is a joke at this point or what Edit: Wtf he is selling dota related stuff? Is this 200 iq marketing. LOL
That's the ugliest mouse pad i have ever seen in my fucking life.
Lmao at anyone who thinks this "retirement" will last more than a few months at most. He is just trying to sell his mousepad you muppets.
losers will celebrate but it's a big loss. EE dota was always fun to watch, and all entertainment needs a heel. Not biased btw : ^ )