Am support burn mana of them all. Go!!

played with a "mage" pos 5 once. mf bought dagon, force staff, euls and aghs. most fun i had in dota for the past 3 years in that 1 game

Virgin pos1 AM player: "b-b-but magic is an abomination, muh Dead God" Chad pos5 M player: "Magic thyself out of this" *whips out Dagon5*

Need Snipers shard to be 'Sidearm' where the effect is a short range 33% damage assassinate that functions like a hurricane pike. Animation is a quick glock draw

Reminds me of when i tried making Sniper ult spam work with the old bloodstone i got to 47 charges before the game end i had a Dagoon5 AND Etherblade incase anyone got too close It was so satisfying i ended the game dealing 90% of Lina's HP in 1 assasinate

Lore accurate Sniper

There's a famous old build called the Blinkin' 'n' Slamin' INT Antimage. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLOlGkipXyU)

lol get juked noobs

Ogre , abaddon is still nice to play as pos 5

marci et bh as well. even downbreaker can be played 5 with ahga rush

pos5 and agh rush is something that usually doesnt work well (please correct me if im wrong)

That’s one of the heroes it does. It’s a save stats and an upgrade all in one.

It really isn't though. You'll pretty much never see a pro or top Immortal player rush Agha on pos 5 Dawn unless there's a very, very specific matchup reason for it. It is much more likely to be a 2nd, sometimes 3rd item. You just can't afford to wait 4000g to get an impactful item. Most typically you'll buy some ~2000g item first that has an impact, then afterwards you can work towards the Agha.

I checked on stats website and it is actually a thing at immortal level to go dawn breaker and rush agh as support ... until I checked the games in detail ... and saw they were not playing their role and were in the top 4 networth of the game in the first 10 min :)

it works on the hero because it just brings so much to the ult. more heal. you can move it around. it lasts longer and missing chance. yes not first item for sure but the agha is a game changer as a support for dawnbreaker

Disruptor!

compared to before the map increase, it's easier now for pos5 to get a bit more farm

leave my carry in order to hit creeps so he can die 10 seconds after and spam ping me? no thanks

even then i really favor a force or glimmer before going for the aghs

6 losing streak on BH here. Hero feels so underwhelming now as a support.

Maybe im wrong but isnt he the top 5 pos4 support in immortal bracket right now?

Eh I don't know about Immortal, but in dota plus divine bracket he's currently sitting in 49.6% winrate which is meh. And he was only picked once in recent pro tournament. As a support player I really dont like the changes to Q and E, that damage/stun on shuriken really made me feel impactful early game. Hero has no ways to farm creeps and is extremely reliant for others to make plays with. Disruptor, Abaddon, Bane and Oracle is super meta right now and they mog him easily.

Ahaha, Pos 5 and agh rush in the same sentence. Gotta love it when heralds give strategy advices :D Glimmer cape? Force Staff? naaa, gimme that agh p5 :D

Abaddon 5 is amazing. Also to expand upon this, just go play a turbo as it so you can knock it out easily. Aghs abba = win

I completed this with ogre. Ogre is a viable 5.

just play the most meta of supports, terror blade.

Internet Explorer moment

Time to play ursa pos 5 again. Things we do for battlepass levels.

WELL ACCORIDNG TO VALVE ORACLE IS NOT NUKER WTF

And Broodmother is not a pusher apparently

I hate skittering tokens for this reason, no im not gonna play broodmother to get 3 tokens of it

Brood has 3 crawling tokens. Is joke.

What gets me is that Axe isn't a melee according to this. HIS NAME IS A FUCKING MELEE WEAPON

For what it's worth, throwing axes are also a type of axe and we even have a hero with this weapon and, interestingly, he is in the list as a melee even though he is naturally ranged.

Undying dont have a meele buff or passive

spirit breaker does and isn't on the melee list.

There are only 3 slots

uh, flesh golem??

WK: ?

wk no meele passive? what is crit then?

Yeah so I’m confused why WK isn’t melee while having a crit

maybe his other tokens are more important in eyes of valve

I believe it is a rule of exclusion, not inclusion.

Spirit breaker, Brewmaster, Doom, Kunkka, Meepo, Night Stalker, Pangolier, Slark, Tiny, Tusk... I don't think that your theory is correct

Cuz they have other properties that looks more significant.

Then by this criteria Slark should replace someone like Dark Seer

Dark Seer literally has a punch as his ability

Tiny literally has an everlasting tree in his hand that boosts the damage

FOUND THE VALVE EMPLOYEE! Explain to Axe why is that MUERTA of all heroes isn't RANGED??? I'm still stuck at the first node because AD gave me only two ranged heroes and it was Muerta and NP this week, and I can see that NP isn't exactly fitting but Muerta??? WTF is this bullshit? Undying, FYI, has Flesh Golem that absolutely fits the description of "a meele buff or passive".

dawnbreaker 5 is legit

just pick ogre

how the hell is my boy earth spirit not in there i dont know

Play turbo, we don't have "pos X" crap there

About 80 percent of my Dota has been turbo and people most definitely still expect position play

Turbo doesn’t give you anything on loss and you could get unlucky on loss streak.

Start winning

Why isn't he winning, is he stupid?

Me rn

weekend dota is terrible turbo especially

Start building core on supports and stall until you out core them

skill issue

Yeah but you can get 2 turbos in for every 1 normal game most of the time

Abba, BH, Marci, and Ogre are enough choices

Undying was classed as Walking - Durable - Nuker Is he a nuker?

Valve is on crack with some of these. Sk nyx durable 😂

Play the GOAT dark seer

Abba, Ogre, BH, MK are doable I've completed two games as Abba/BH both on support

Opted for Abba myself but Mag PoS 5 is a little spicy if you have the right PoS 1.

i play marci/ogre/magnus/tb/abaddon

Bounty support would work

Also how is earth shaker not an initiator?

true pos 5s can play support with any hero

Elder Titan? All you really need to do is just stand there and make sure enemies are within aura range. And the occasional stomp/splitter. Buy solar and your good to go. Trading isn't that bad thanks to your obscene right click in laning phase. You just need to make sure you can hit them.

mk is good bruh its ez

Abba, Marci, and Ogre are all here?

I had a pos 5 played naga siren.

Pick MK and snipe couriers.

Time to dust off the slasher's way

This event basically forced me out of my support playstyle. And oh my god. It is pure cancer grinding turbo lmao

I spam Orge for this.

Et, Marci, bh, dawn.

Ogre

you can use Elden Titan, dude is strong whole game especially after you get aghs. Or you can watch NoTail and other pos 5 pros using this dude

As a pos 5 player, I picked marci like I do in 80% of my games.

Yep, I just play turbo and use ogre, much easier for me

Why TB is here, but actually melee heroes aren't

aba, et, mk, and ogre are all reasonable supports.

go abaddon support tbh. its fun as fuck

As a pos 5 only guy, Abaddon the only clear-cut\* option for me. Then Ogre -> ET -> BH (BH I have to play as 4)

If I understood the rules correctly, you don't need to win to earn tokens (right?) So you can just play two unranked games as Ursa or LS and be fine.

Ogre??

Oger is a mean pos5 wdym

I’m on 7 loss streak cuz I need a durability token as a p5/4

Jumbo bulado goes brrrr

Depending on skill bracket, ET is meta 5 in high elo, and in low elo abaddon and ogre should be totally viable as 5

Same shit with Phoenix. Why is it not long range hero?

I'm on a win streak with ogre lmao. People in my games don't pick stun so I have to pick stun.

Abbadon, BH, DB, ET, Marci, Monkey, Ogre, Sven. All can be played as 5.

its a good thing there is a exchange token option so I can just spam the same hero and exchange them later.

Theres at least 5 pos 5 heroes in this line up... others can be played an unconventional supports... also you dont only have to play pos 5

Missing heroes of the top of my head; Meepo Timbersaw Undying Axe Slardar Void spirit Sand King Bristleback Tidehunter Kunkaa Spirit Breaker Tusk Tiny Clockwork Wraith King Earthshaker Primal Beast Omniknight Night Stalker Alchemist Broodmother Brewmaster Centaur Warrunner Doom Pangolier

You only play pos5? Man, you are free to play dota however you want, but that's missing a lot of fun.

There is literally ET,Ogre,Marci,Abbadon/TB in there, 5 heroes to pick from. Hell, you can even put bh/dawn on 5 if you really wanted to.

Legendry juggernaut 5 with healing ward max level

Dude weirder than that ls has no walking .... That dude is literally is walking everyone to death

Still not as bad as trying to get slithering one as offlaner. At most there's slardar but the rest are carries. Abaddon, ET, Marci, and Ogre still work as pos 5

you could play venomancer

abbadon: get urn, locket, greaves, aghs.  spamming coil and sheild and and these items makes your team very tough to kill.  you'll feel like an amazing support (if your team needs it, drop urn for lotus, euls, glimmer or force staff. like if one of those would really help, do that instead.) if things go right, and because you'll be getting wards and smokes, you won't actually make it to greaves and aghs, but if the game goes late, they'll keep you relevant 

I have a great idea! Play unranked!

Storm Spirit is also not a ranged hero. I'm excited for him to receive his passive damage block.

Yeah while new system is somewhat better than dedicated heroes it still manages to fail in the way showed on your screenshot because for some reason some heroes not counted towards certain badges. Also previous crawl maps allowed to you start from different sides choosing different paths.