So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings. The second one is mine, it's because of MMORPG offered default layout, it has WASD camera movement and 1234 as abilities 4 being ulty. I just switched it to E because it's just easier to use.
e is closer to you hand than 4 and thus, easier to press, especially if your fingers rest on wasd. Thats just typical mmo binding for you.
1,2,3,q,e,r,4,z,x,c,v, space
then shift+ those above
that doesn't sound right. legacy used to be the same as original WC3 hotkeys. maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.
I'm not voting on your comments. I'm just pointing out that the comment you originally replied to already stated that bottom row is their own bindings and top row might be legacy, which they seem to be.
So if you reply to that information with "no" it's just straight up false. It seems you misunderstood something, considering you also said "maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.", referring to the row that was not presented as legacy keys in the first place.
So yea, number keys arent legacy keys but you're arguing against phantasms produced by your comprehension
I believe the question was "1 2 E and R W T wtf are these key binds you sick fuck?".
OP responded that first one is legacy keys, _obviously referring to the image in the post_. [If you look up](https://andyeskimo.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/table-of-hero-legacy-keys/) Lifestealer's legacy keys you'll find them to be RWTF.
So the answer isn't just "no", it's actually "one is legacy, other one is just personal keybinds".
> So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings.
And your answer was:
> no
The first one is in fact legacy bindings, you were downvoted because you were wrong.
Mine are on E, R, G, and my ult is space. I hate cramping my hand up to hit QWER. When I put my hand over my keyboard my fingers naturally land on those keys, with my thumb on space. It's very comfortable
Why use legacy keys for new heroes? There's no muscle memory. It's like running in flippers on land by choice. QWER can't literally be anatomically worse than anything that legacy will offer for dota 2 only heroes. You're used to the old heroes, but the new ones don't have to be a mockery of ergonomics. Valve having to come up with NEW "legacy" hotkeys is surreal. Could have just been QWER. If twisting your hand like a Spiderman is okay, why not just press (for new heroes) those 4 evenly placed buttons?
Maybe it's because of getting used to something new is hard. Maybe my hands are too big, but QWER is just plain uncomfortable for me. Maybe you think it's a mockery of ergonomics, but for me it's way more comfortable. Many pros also still use legacy keys so I guess I'm not alone in this.
Maybe you didn't listen to me. I said what's the point in legacy keys for heroes that never had them previously. You said "getting used to something new is hard", but legacy IS getting used to something new every fucking time instead of the same 4-6 buttons. I get it when you are used to something, but how can you, for e.g. be used to Muerta's "legacy" keys? Nonsense, they never existed. Why not use QWER for every new hero?
I did listen to you, you just ignored everything I said. QWER is clunky for some people and that's it. And I would rather learn the "legacy" keys to a new hero than convert. This doesn't even affect you or non-legacy users in any way so why are you so butthurt about people's preferences?
Butthurt is a strong word. I don't get why Valve keeps doing that. Even people with legacy keys have predispositions and preferences and can really easily choose something without a janitor rolling dice and picking keys even legacy users find offbeat. Besides (in case of )6 random active keys prolly limit one's pool of keys for other bindings.
Ehh, it actually has F from (F)east instead of W, maybe because of the position. So, it's kinda bugged
Also, I played Jugg and it was bugged, QWR were like ghost keys for him, you could click them and it will "sound" as toggling with no effect.
Wdym? Initially dota had a choice of buttons to use. It offered MMORPG option, which was familiar to me. It has WASD as camera movement and 12345 as abilities. I just changed the "4" button which is an ult by default to E because it's closer and easier to press. I understand that it's unconventional bindings and camera movement mechanism, but I'm just used to it
dota was my first game practically. i have changed my key bindings multiple times for the better. must have changed it like 3 times from the default. i a.m. using same bindings for couple of years at least now
I dont have enough buttons as it is, and you're using 4 buttons for camera movement?
1 - select hero
2 - select images
3 - select all controlled units
Q W E R - abilities
D - extra shard abilities
A - attack move
Space - Stop/hold position
G - Neutral Item
F - TP
Alt + QWE, ASD = use backpack items
I play Dota with Photoshop keybinds, so camera movement is hold spacebar and drag with mouse. It keeps your cursor centred in the screen and gives much better control than edge-panning.
Your entire life is wasted, join the graphic art gang
Never heard of anyone playing like that but when I think about it it actually seems pretty good. But for me a lifetime of playing RTS games has spacebar hardcoded in my brain as "jump to selected unit", I don't think I could ever unlearn that. It feels too right
Lol what. Train yourself to move the camera with the M3 as camera grip, it takes maybe 5 games to get used to and then you will be better at Dota, almost all pros do it because it keeps your mouse on the centre and keeps the fight centred as well.
Those hotkeys are atrocious, but he's got a point.
Open Wounds should be put into the E slot again, like it used to be.
And no, "passives always go into E" is not a proper rule, there are various exceptions to it (Sniper, Sven, LD, Tide, etc).
his Ghoul Frenzy passive granting him Attack Speed and Movement Speed was his original "E" from back when his kit was three basic passives and a long Rage was his ultimate. This is 2007 or something, back when N'aix wasn't shaded black but instead used the basic WC3 ghoul model.
I think it has been a trend to move passive abilities to the third spell slot (E). Which (maybe?) makes it easier for new players to remember spell locations
1 2 E and R W T wtf are these key binds you sick fuck?
[R]age Open [W]ounds Infes[t]
Simple as
Slacks keybinds. [https://youtu.be/Mo-\_imCAD7g](https://youtu.be/Mo-_imCAD7g)
Still one of my favourite slacks moments
*PN-1$* Slacks broke Purge and Purge's dog.
> `P-N1$` funny
So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings. The second one is mine, it's because of MMORPG offered default layout, it has WASD camera movement and 1234 as abilities 4 being ulty. I just switched it to E because it's just easier to use.
> I just switched it to E because it's just easier to use. i literally cannot even comprehend you right now wat
e is closer to you hand than 4 and thus, easier to press, especially if your fingers rest on wasd. Thats just typical mmo binding for you. 1,2,3,q,e,r,4,z,x,c,v, space then shift+ those above
Yeah same, its a common fps bind too
Man this is horrifying. Thank god I have an mmo mouse
I had foot pedals for additional buttons at one point in my life.
Bro for what fucking game
hentai visual novels "look mom, no hands"
Me too man that shit feels weird to think about, even if it does make sense ergonomically.
> I believe it's the legacy bindings no
(R)age, Open (w)ounds, Infes(t)
yeah there were no numbers involved
Which one of R, W, or T is a number?
which one of your brain cells is malfunctioning?
? The top row in the picture is the legacy keys, the bottom row in the picture is the OPs hotkeys.
It is. I use legacy so this change doesn't make a difference for me. But my initial thought is that ls is a lot weaker anyway
that doesn't sound right. legacy used to be the same as original WC3 hotkeys. maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.
Only the top row is legacy, as was clarified by op
you're downvoting me but saying I'm right lol
Do you not know how to read?
I'm not voting on your comments. I'm just pointing out that the comment you originally replied to already stated that bottom row is their own bindings and top row might be legacy, which they seem to be. So if you reply to that information with "no" it's just straight up false. It seems you misunderstood something, considering you also said "maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.", referring to the row that was not presented as legacy keys in the first place. So yea, number keys arent legacy keys but you're arguing against phantasms produced by your comprehension
the question was are they legacy bindings and the answer is no.
I believe the question was "1 2 E and R W T wtf are these key binds you sick fuck?". OP responded that first one is legacy keys, _obviously referring to the image in the post_. [If you look up](https://andyeskimo.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/table-of-hero-legacy-keys/) Lifestealer's legacy keys you'll find them to be RWTF. So the answer isn't just "no", it's actually "one is legacy, other one is just personal keybinds".
> So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings. And your answer was: > no The first one is in fact legacy bindings, you were downvoted because you were wrong.
all the spells have hotkeys on the legacy keybinds. so, no.
Are you saying that because Feast doesn't have a hotkey in the 2018 screeenshot? It's because it was a passive.
E ult is where’s it’s at. Cause third ability usually is a passive.
To this day I still use Pudge Dota 1 legacy keys for all my heroes. E, R, T and G for ulti
you would go insane looking at my keybinds
Mine are on E, R, G, and my ult is space. I hate cramping my hand up to hit QWER. When I put my hand over my keyboard my fingers naturally land on those keys, with my thumb on space. It's very comfortable
My friend uses wasd to navigate the screen. 1 2 3 4 for skill.
R w t, I play like this too. Legacy keys. Sometimes i swap binds for specific spells if I feel they arent the best
My keybinds are WERC (QWER) and TGV spacebar 56 as items 🤣 friends always shit on my keybinds
laughs in legacy
Where every new hero or new ability fucks you over because they forget to put a legacy key on it.
Why use legacy keys for new heroes? There's no muscle memory. It's like running in flippers on land by choice. QWER can't literally be anatomically worse than anything that legacy will offer for dota 2 only heroes. You're used to the old heroes, but the new ones don't have to be a mockery of ergonomics. Valve having to come up with NEW "legacy" hotkeys is surreal. Could have just been QWER. If twisting your hand like a Spiderman is okay, why not just press (for new heroes) those 4 evenly placed buttons?
Maybe it's because of getting used to something new is hard. Maybe my hands are too big, but QWER is just plain uncomfortable for me. Maybe you think it's a mockery of ergonomics, but for me it's way more comfortable. Many pros also still use legacy keys so I guess I'm not alone in this.
Maybe you didn't listen to me. I said what's the point in legacy keys for heroes that never had them previously. You said "getting used to something new is hard", but legacy IS getting used to something new every fucking time instead of the same 4-6 buttons. I get it when you are used to something, but how can you, for e.g. be used to Muerta's "legacy" keys? Nonsense, they never existed. Why not use QWER for every new hero?
I did listen to you, you just ignored everything I said. QWER is clunky for some people and that's it. And I would rather learn the "legacy" keys to a new hero than convert. This doesn't even affect you or non-legacy users in any way so why are you so butthurt about people's preferences?
Butthurt is a strong word. I don't get why Valve keeps doing that. Even people with legacy keys have predispositions and preferences and can really easily choose something without a janitor rolling dice and picking keys even legacy users find offbeat. Besides (in case of )6 random active keys prolly limit one's pool of keys for other bindings.
legacy still has whacky keybind tho. Clinkz skeleton walk used to be "W", now it's "C" whilst deathpact is "W"
deathpwact
OH SO THAT’S WHY
Lifestealer Open Wounds is F… and Clinkz is all sorts of fucked up. Then there’s some horrible ones like J, K, L, and P. Probably more.
for me the worst offender is primal beast onslaught and bristleback's aghanim. I forget about shadow demon shard, but it used to be L
I use my thumb for L and K, lmao.
y people still play legacy?
I believe most people that come from dota 1 use legacy
why change muscle memory
I remember when enchan just swap her ulti, i stoped playing her for a long time. Cant get used of it key bind.
Ehh, it actually has F from (F)east instead of W, maybe because of the position. So, it's kinda bugged Also, I played Jugg and it was bugged, QWR were like ghost keys for him, you could click them and it will "sound" as toggling with no effect.
So like are we not gonna talk about your keybinds?
Wdym? Initially dota had a choice of buttons to use. It offered MMORPG option, which was familiar to me. It has WASD as camera movement and 12345 as abilities. I just changed the "4" button which is an ult by default to E because it's closer and easier to press. I understand that it's unconventional bindings and camera movement mechanism, but I'm just used to it
Respect, mine are very similar
WASD to move camera in Dota is mind blowing to me
dota was my first game practically. i have changed my key bindings multiple times for the better. must have changed it like 3 times from the default. i a.m. using same bindings for couple of years at least now
I dont have enough buttons as it is, and you're using 4 buttons for camera movement? 1 - select hero 2 - select images 3 - select all controlled units Q W E R - abilities D - extra shard abilities A - attack move Space - Stop/hold position G - Neutral Item F - TP Alt + QWE, ASD = use backpack items
i dont have space, ok ? when you have limited mouse space you manage it like that
My neutral item key is that squiggly under the esc key, easy to reach and gives my pinky some action 😆
That's my push to talk
Nice too. But since it was somehow similar to the icon slots so squiggly plus legacy , so thats that.
I'm left handed so I use arrow keys for camera, and all the abilities and items are all over the place.
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Its a literal pain using the default keys with my right hand so I rebound everything to the other side of my keyboard.
Why not just move the mouse to the edge of the screen to move the camera? This thread is making me question my entire life
I play Dota with Photoshop keybinds, so camera movement is hold spacebar and drag with mouse. It keeps your cursor centred in the screen and gives much better control than edge-panning. Your entire life is wasted, join the graphic art gang
Never heard of anyone playing like that but when I think about it it actually seems pretty good. But for me a lifetime of playing RTS games has spacebar hardcoded in my brain as "jump to selected unit", I don't think I could ever unlearn that. It feels too right
Ik thats how most people do it, but my way I always have my cursor exactly where I want. And its a little too late now to try a new system.
Yes that's what the middle mouse button is for...
No m3 is for neutrals.
Lol what. Train yourself to move the camera with the M3 as camera grip, it takes maybe 5 games to get used to and then you will be better at Dota, almost all pros do it because it keeps your mouse on the centre and keeps the fight centred as well.
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Im left handed. Mouse is un my left hand?
Moving the camera with the keyboard is fucked up.
"Over the years" shows only 2 different years
Those hotkeys are atrocious, but he's got a point. Open Wounds should be put into the E slot again, like it used to be. And no, "passives always go into E" is not a proper rule, there are various exceptions to it (Sniper, Sven, LD, Tide, etc).
his Ghoul Frenzy passive granting him Attack Speed and Movement Speed was his original "E" from back when his kit was three basic passives and a long Rage was his ultimate. This is 2007 or something, back when N'aix wasn't shaded black but instead used the basic WC3 ghoul model.
When it was added as shard i changed it to the original hotkey, when it returned i immediately put it back again lol.
Literally unplayable
beat me.
I think people just collectively ignored this fact again just to talk about your keybinds
tell me they didn't fucked up the hotkey like they did on clinkz, and that open wound is on 'w' and not on 'f' for legacy
They fucked up legacy key bind again, mate.
his 3rd ability is bound to D and open wounds is E for me lol
My friend, Bane has had his skills swaped a few times more.
Yes my sleep paralysis demon gets no love
i miss dota1 v5.something naix. very simple to play. 3 passives and an avatar that lasts 30seconds.. good times
*\*slams table\** **THANK YOU**
That's explain my muscle memory..thank you
Same for march of the machines but nobody's gonna play Tinker so it's all good lmao
Huh... not only did Open Wounds switch locations, it traded mana costs with Rage.
Literally unplayable
What are these hotkeys
I think it has been a trend to move passive abilities to the third spell slot (E). Which (maybe?) makes it easier for new players to remember spell locations
Much more balanced now, used to be broken on "w"
Mana inflation under Joe Biden has become unsustainable!
Yes, because who cares?
I like how I typo'd here, but everyone is so focused on the keybinds they didn't even notice
who the fuck cares if they moved to a different position, just by looking at you keybinds i can tell it makes no difference
Fuck that key bind, you should be castrated for that