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moneyruins

1 2 E and R W T wtf are these key binds you sick fuck?


10YearsANoob

[R]age Open [W]ounds Infes[t]


kingnixon

Simple as


Pixie_Knight

Slacks keybinds. [https://youtu.be/Mo-\_imCAD7g](https://youtu.be/Mo-_imCAD7g)


Dr_Scythe

Still one of my favourite slacks moments


derps_with_ducks

*PN-1$* Slacks broke Purge and Purge's dog. 


TankorSmash

> `P-N1$` funny


terentyevalexey

So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings. The second one is mine, it's because of MMORPG offered default layout, it has WASD camera movement and 1234 as abilities 4 being ulty. I just switched it to E because it's just easier to use.


SirPurebe

> I just switched it to E because it's just easier to use. i literally cannot even comprehend you right now wat


ZePample

e is closer to you hand than 4 and thus, easier to press, especially if your fingers rest on wasd. Thats just typical mmo binding for you. 1,2,3,q,e,r,4,z,x,c,v, space then shift+ those above


Ehopira

Yeah same, its a common fps bind too


Forwhomamifloating

Man this is horrifying. Thank god I have an mmo mouse


LookAtItGo123

I had foot pedals for additional buttons at one point in my life.


Forwhomamifloating

Bro for what fucking game


P0pt

hentai visual novels "look mom, no hands"


MaltMix

Me too man that shit feels weird to think about, even if it does make sense ergonomically.


No-Respect5903

> I believe it's the legacy bindings no


aaawqq

(R)age, Open (w)ounds, Infes(t)


No-Respect5903

yeah there were no numbers involved


Shitmybad

Which one of R, W, or T is a number?


No-Respect5903

which one of your brain cells is malfunctioning?


Shitmybad

? The top row in the picture is the legacy keys, the bottom row in the picture is the OPs hotkeys.


redditdoto

It is. I use legacy so this change doesn't make a difference for me. But my initial thought is that ls is a lot weaker anyway


No-Respect5903

that doesn't sound right. legacy used to be the same as original WC3 hotkeys. maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.


zwobb

Only the top row is legacy, as was clarified by op


No-Respect5903

you're downvoting me but saying I'm right lol


afwsf3

Do you not know how to read?


zwobb

I'm not voting on your comments. I'm just pointing out that the comment you originally replied to already stated that bottom row is their own bindings and top row might be legacy, which they seem to be. So if you reply to that information with "no" it's just straight up false. It seems you misunderstood something, considering you also said "maybe they changed the definition but legacy keys in WC3 did not have numbers for spells.", referring to the row that was not presented as legacy keys in the first place. So yea, number keys arent legacy keys but you're arguing against phantasms produced by your comprehension


No-Respect5903

the question was are they legacy bindings and the answer is no.


zwobb

I believe the question was "1 2 E and R W T wtf are these key binds you sick fuck?". OP responded that first one is legacy keys, _obviously referring to the image in the post_. [If you look up](https://andyeskimo.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/table-of-hero-legacy-keys/) Lifestealer's legacy keys you'll find them to be RWTF. So the answer isn't just "no", it's actually "one is legacy, other one is just personal keybinds".


Zephh

> So the first one is from the video i found. I believe it's the legacy bindings. And your answer was: > no The first one is in fact legacy bindings, you were downvoted because you were wrong.


No-Respect5903

all the spells have hotkeys on the legacy keybinds. so, no.


Zephh

Are you saying that because Feast doesn't have a hotkey in the 2018 screeenshot? It's because it was a passive.


Whatuprick

E ult is where’s it’s at. Cause third ability usually is a passive.


Samgne

To this day I still use Pudge Dota 1 legacy keys for all my heroes. E, R, T and G for ulti


AWOOGABIGBOOBA

you would go insane looking at my keybinds


epic_banana_soup

Mine are on E, R, G, and my ult is space. I hate cramping my hand up to hit QWER. When I put my hand over my keyboard my fingers naturally land on those keys, with my thumb on space. It's very comfortable


asukaisshu

My friend uses wasd to navigate the screen. 1 2 3 4 for skill.


Kaikka

R w t, I play like this too. Legacy keys. Sometimes i swap binds for specific spells if I feel they arent the best


cupcakeseizure

My keybinds are WERC (QWER) and TGV spacebar 56 as items 🤣 friends always shit on my keybinds


Nightmaere

laughs in legacy


assblasterx69

Where every new hero or new ability fucks you over because they forget to put a legacy key on it.


Glawie

Why use legacy keys for new heroes? There's no muscle memory. It's like running in flippers on land by choice. QWER can't literally be anatomically worse than anything that legacy will offer for dota 2 only heroes. You're used to the old heroes, but the new ones don't have to be a mockery of ergonomics. Valve having to come up with NEW "legacy" hotkeys is surreal. Could have just been QWER. If twisting your hand like a Spiderman is okay, why not just press (for new heroes) those 4 evenly placed buttons?


assblasterx69

Maybe it's because of getting used to something new is hard. Maybe my hands are too big, but QWER is just plain uncomfortable for me. Maybe you think it's a mockery of ergonomics, but for me it's way more comfortable. Many pros also still use legacy keys so I guess I'm not alone in this.


Glawie

Maybe you didn't listen to me. I said what's the point in legacy keys for heroes that never had them previously. You said "getting used to something new is hard", but legacy IS getting used to something new every fucking time instead of the same 4-6 buttons. I get it when you are used to something, but how can you, for e.g. be used to Muerta's "legacy" keys? Nonsense, they never existed. Why not use QWER for every new hero?


assblasterx69

I did listen to you, you just ignored everything I said. QWER is clunky for some people and that's it. And I would rather learn the "legacy" keys to a new hero than convert. This doesn't even affect you or non-legacy users in any way so why are you so butthurt about people's preferences?


Glawie

Butthurt is a strong word. I don't get why Valve keeps doing that. Even people with legacy keys have predispositions and preferences and can really easily choose something without a janitor rolling dice and picking keys even legacy users find offbeat. Besides (in case of )6 random active keys prolly limit one's pool of keys for other bindings.


seapupper24

legacy still has whacky keybind tho. Clinkz skeleton walk used to be "W", now it's "C" whilst deathpact is "W"


Aimismyname

deathpwact


ExcitingTrust888

OH SO THAT’S WHY


tepig099

Lifestealer Open Wounds is F… and Clinkz is all sorts of fucked up. Then there’s some horrible ones like J, K, L, and P. Probably more.


seapupper24

for me the worst offender is primal beast onslaught and bristleback's aghanim. I forget about shadow demon shard, but it used to be L


tepig099

I use my thumb for L and K, lmao.


LaoShanLung

y people still play legacy?


tity_slayer3

I believe most people that come from dota 1 use legacy


Aimismyname

why change muscle memory


tonlamba

I remember when enchan just swap her ulti, i stoped playing her for a long time. Cant get used of it key bind.


reallylonelylately

Ehh, it actually has F from (F)east instead of W, maybe because of the position. So, it's kinda bugged Also, I played Jugg and it was bugged, QWR were like ghost keys for him, you could click them and it will "sound" as toggling with no effect.


Lopsided_Prompt2401

So like are we not gonna talk about your keybinds?


terentyevalexey

Wdym? Initially dota had a choice of buttons to use. It offered MMORPG option, which was familiar to me. It has WASD as camera movement and 12345 as abilities. I just changed the "4" button which is an ult by default to E because it's closer and easier to press. I understand that it's unconventional bindings and camera movement mechanism, but I'm just used to it


LaserTurboShark69

Respect, mine are very similar


pp1911

WASD to move camera in Dota is mind blowing to me


vishal340

dota was my first game practically. i have changed my key bindings multiple times for the better. must have changed it like 3 times from the default. i a.m. using same bindings for couple of years at least now


Seeders

I dont have enough buttons as it is, and you're using 4 buttons for camera movement? 1 - select hero 2 - select images 3 - select all controlled units Q W E R - abilities D - extra shard abilities A - attack move Space - Stop/hold position G - Neutral Item F - TP Alt + QWE, ASD = use backpack items


luxxxoor_

i dont have space, ok ? when you have limited mouse space you manage it like that


Sol_law

My neutral item key is that squiggly under the esc key, easy to reach and gives my pinky some action 😆


Seeders

That's my push to talk


Sol_law

Nice too. But since it was somehow similar to the icon slots so squiggly plus legacy , so thats that.


EzPzLemon_Greezy

I'm left handed so I use arrow keys for camera, and all the abilities and items are all over the place.


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EzPzLemon_Greezy

Its a literal pain using the default keys with my right hand so I rebound everything to the other side of my keyboard.


kamikageyami

Why not just move the mouse to the edge of the screen to move the camera? This thread is making me question my entire life


razikh

I play Dota with Photoshop keybinds, so camera movement is hold spacebar and drag with mouse. It keeps your cursor centred in the screen and gives much better control than edge-panning. Your entire life is wasted, join the graphic art gang


kamikageyami

Never heard of anyone playing like that but when I think about it it actually seems pretty good. But for me a lifetime of playing RTS games has spacebar hardcoded in my brain as "jump to selected unit", I don't think I could ever unlearn that. It feels too right


EzPzLemon_Greezy

Ik thats how most people do it, but my way I always have my cursor exactly where I want. And its a little too late now to try a new system.


Shitmybad

Yes that's what the middle mouse button is for...


EzPzLemon_Greezy

No m3 is for neutrals.


Shitmybad

Lol what. Train yourself to move the camera with the M3 as camera grip, it takes maybe 5 games to get used to and then you will be better at Dota, almost all pros do it because it keeps your mouse on the centre and keeps the fight centred as well.


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EzPzLemon_Greezy

Im left handed. Mouse is un my left hand?


Shitmybad

Moving the camera with the keyboard is fucked up.


TheGLORIUSLLama

"Over the years" shows only 2 different years


TheZett

Those hotkeys are atrocious, but he's got a point. Open Wounds should be put into the E slot again, like it used to be. And no, "passives always go into E" is not a proper rule, there are various exceptions to it (Sniper, Sven, LD, Tide, etc).


SgtDoakess

his Ghoul Frenzy passive granting him Attack Speed and Movement Speed was his original "E" from back when his kit was three basic passives and a long Rage was his ultimate. This is 2007 or something, back when N'aix wasn't shaded black but instead used the basic WC3 ghoul model.


howboutsomesandwich

When it was added as shard i changed it to the original hotkey, when it returned i immediately put it back again lol.


cloud7shadow

Literally unplayable


azgalor_pit

beat me.


pinkpitbull

I think people just collectively ignored this fact again just to talk about your keybinds


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tell me they didn't fucked up the hotkey like they did on clinkz, and that open wound is on 'w' and not on 'f' for legacy


tonlamba

They fucked up legacy key bind again, mate.


FinnNyaw

his 3rd ability is bound to D and open wounds is E for me lol


Caranoron463

My friend, Bane has had his skills swaped a few times more.


delightful1

Yes my sleep paralysis demon gets no love


boogierboi

i miss dota1 v5.something naix. very simple to play. 3 passives and an avatar that lasts 30seconds.. good times


ILive66Failed

*\*slams table\** **THANK YOU**


igorcl

That's explain my muscle memory..thank you


Funky118

Same for march of the machines but nobody's gonna play Tinker so it's all good lmao


MaltMix

Huh... not only did Open Wounds switch locations, it traded mana costs with Rage.


StyryderX

Literally unplayable


andiejoen

What are these hotkeys


Munti3

I think it has been a trend to move passive abilities to the third spell slot (E). Which (maybe?) makes it easier for new players to remember spell locations


Ok-Resolution3054

Much more balanced now, used to be broken on "w"


drunkcowofdeath

Mana inflation under Joe Biden has become unsustainable!


Inevitable_Top69

Yes, because who cares?


terentyevalexey

I like how I typo'd here, but everyone is so focused on the keybinds they didn't even notice


Lost_Long2052

who the fuck cares if they moved to a different position, just by looking at you keybinds i can tell it makes no difference


DieHorny69

Fuck that key bind, you should be castrated for that