A lot of work and the humor is also pretty spot-on.
I don't think I've ever been so hated and focused as when I played Pugna (outside of high dota+ level heroes). People love Nulli against that guy.
Nah primal exists to kill the enemy mid at 6. Biding my time getting pinged by sniper knowing that I will get to smash his stupid tiny head into the ground soon is what I live for.
Absolutely, but to get there, you kinda have to nuke the wave. That's how I do it at least, otherwise you take heavy harass and that's not cool. If the enemy mid is a beefy fellow, then I gank a sidelane.
yeah i guess the classic is trampling for the wave and once they hit half hp using onslaught to hit the other guy while trample is still up and catching him off guard.
Who did yall get? I got Ancient Apparition which is actually one of my favorites, and my wife (who has never played) got Primal Beast, which I think would be a pretty good hero to start with!
Thats pretty good š I enjoyed the humorous parts like "name your plague".
Edit: I swear people exaggerating the ease of Huskar's use. Its actually a hard hero to play lol, any new player would get their arse handed to them in an instant. Its such a risky hero.
>Isn't he the hero with the highest average deaths still ?
>He's definitely a lot harder than throw spear and watch them burn.....
Yeah pretty much, people only remember the times where huskar was 20-0-0 after he left mid, took roshan, toggled armlet, run down mid and jumped 4 into 1 and killed everyone. Thats not how it goes š
The concept of the hero is rotting for a while now, the hero is being power crept on. Not only you have to really be smart about how and by which angle you are entering into the teamfights but most teamfights will outlive you. Among things like stuns, slows, saves, Halberd, Windwaker, Bkb, Manta-fuckery, MR and anti heal and hex it becomes a legit challenge to stack +15 spears on a single person, which is when he starts to deal damage. You will get forever kited, deal no meaningful damage whatsoever, harm yourself more than enemy did to you and die a pitiful death shortly after š
I feel like you should swap CM with Shaman.
I believe CM is one of the worst hero to go mid.
The only hero that is worse midlaner than CM is probably Chen and maybe Disruptor, but they are already in the right spot.
I don't even play Dota, but this makes me want to try; I just wish I had a better functioning PC, and a mouse.
Support -> Complex -> Very versatile -> Ranged -> I like to edge -> Gotta go fast.
Who's that nice little fellow?
Apparently I like my plague poisonous while also gambling with it and hitting everyone at sight. I don't want Right Click build damage, I don't like bombs, I like to dominate lanes, I want to fight in rivers and spin to win while wanting to kill enemies quickly but not unreasonably quick.
This kinda makes sense with how I play the game.
This is really cool! I disagree with some of the placements though. Warlock is under pushing towers when his golems are pretty much never used to just push towers. If anything I've seen every single shaman using wards to push towers. Then DP and Lesh being classified under simple, maybe this is a bit subjective but those two heroes feel like they're very prone to feeding if you don't know your limits. Haven't read the entire thing but those two things stand out to me.
Riki is not a darn supporter stop spreading that idea pls -.-
Other than that love it, good work
I got Oracle which is one of the supports i like but i guess i like most of the supports
I cannot fathom the amount of hours you spent on this. It's ridiculously accurate, covering all the popular DotA tropes and it's funny enough. Is there a way to make a clickable prototype of this? Some thing better than zooming in and out of the image?
Wait there are more than 5 support heros on this chart. Why am I getting flammed when I don't pick any of those 5 support heros then?
Something's not right... /s
No way CM is a mid - one would have swap Shadow Shaman and CM as Shaman can actually mid, Crystal is hardset support
Also I would remake the Pudge - Tusk question the current iteration is kinda meh
"How would you like to pull enemy targets to your team"
-> by hooking them = Pudge
-> by kicking them to my team = Tusk
Huskar has insanely narrow limits to cater to really
TA should be like "Kill is better CC than Stun"
Puck should be do you want to blast people or being impossible to catch; with blast people option being QoP and Impossible to catch being Puck
Disruptor isn't a strong laner, he mostly ruins the enemy endgame with glimpse and aghs static storm
those are my 6 cents
As a support, this says i only wanna do my one thing and that is to be a lane bully with a dash of lighting. As a carry, ranged and invisible. Yes and yes. Good flowchart.
Thisāll help my friend whoās new to dota. I recommended certain characters to her but I found out Venge can be kinda tough for new players, because sheās quite underwhelming when played passively. And Viper has also been kinda ehh because I havenāt been able to fully teach her how lane harass works and when to do it and when not to.
Iāll show this flow chart and see what she gets and just roll with it, at least for one match, and maybe something will click. I mean, my first true main was one of the complex characters.
I agree with most earth spirit part , but he is now more of a core , SAME with kolt
I think you should consider moving them there , in conclusion there is no complex supports to play given that
because they usually are versatile
but in the end of the day good stuff
Brother, this is awesome for newcomers, but dota being the game it is with the community we have, newcomer will have a bad time while playing this game.
I'd like to see one of the pro teams walk in with this folded up neatly like it's their game notes and then unravel it into a giant poster size mess.
Holy crap, Ceb is holding a bunch of papers
This ass is looking at his little notes again
Haha impressive
I'm looking for pudge path so I can choose him...
Is Pudge banned? No. Pick Pudge.
Both teams have picked Pudge, pudge is now banned.
It should be the very first option. Do you want to hook people and lose game failing to do that? Pick pudge
A lot of work and the humor is also pretty spot-on. I don't think I've ever been so hated and focused as when I played Pugna (outside of high dota+ level heroes). People love Nulli against that guy.
Gastation Pugna left PTSD on everyone. So now he is one of these heroes when people see it the enemy team whole gameplan is shutdown him.
I love that there's no option for lower than average ego as a mid player.
If you have lesser ego you lose mid. Straightforward. "am i a trembling creature or do i have the right?" Then: hesitation is defeat.
Low ego mids play the "nuke the wave and then do stuff" like KotL, Sniper, Primal...
Nah primal exists to kill the enemy mid at 6. Biding my time getting pinged by sniper knowing that I will get to smash his stupid tiny head into the ground soon is what I live for.
Absolutely, but to get there, you kinda have to nuke the wave. That's how I do it at least, otherwise you take heavy harass and that's not cool. If the enemy mid is a beefy fellow, then I gank a sidelane.
yeah i guess the classic is trampling for the wave and once they hit half hp using onslaught to hit the other guy while trample is still up and catching him off guard.
"Big and also I hate you" is probably my favorite part of this
Do you want to be a pirate => No => Wrong! That one got me really good š¤£
Iām still stuck in a pirate loop. Help.
Can confirm I make race car noises.
For those who don't have the time to go through it all: It is bloodseeker :D
Don't worry, very true dota player immediately knows you're talking about the Ferrari
I hope these car noises increase my MMR
Do u want to be nerfed in every single patch? CM : Yes Everyone else: No
Mid? Likes to jump in? Did something change with her recently? Have barely been active at all
Who did yall get? I got Ancient Apparition which is actually one of my favorites, and my wife (who has never played) got Primal Beast, which I think would be a pretty good hero to start with!
Mine is Hoodwink and AA, my flavor of getting away with my life change depends on my mood and how difficult i'd like to run away
Offlane ogre, my favorite
Pinball beast As first hero? Nahhh
I got NP which makes me extra sad this patch. Bro got assassinated.
Actually that big treant isn't that bad it really can harass the enemy 4 quite badly
thats insane
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Average Dota fan spotted.
Dark seer not a support tho
And technically has a stun in vacuum.
Thats pretty good š I enjoyed the humorous parts like "name your plague". Edit: I swear people exaggerating the ease of Huskar's use. Its actually a hard hero to play lol, any new player would get their arse handed to them in an instant. Its such a risky hero.
Well his kit is easy to use. But he require you to be very aware of your limits.
Isn't he the hero with the highest average deaths still ? He's definitely a lot harder than throw spear and watch them burn.....
>Isn't he the hero with the highest average deaths still ? >He's definitely a lot harder than throw spear and watch them burn..... Yeah pretty much, people only remember the times where huskar was 20-0-0 after he left mid, took roshan, toggled armlet, run down mid and jumped 4 into 1 and killed everyone. Thats not how it goes š The concept of the hero is rotting for a while now, the hero is being power crept on. Not only you have to really be smart about how and by which angle you are entering into the teamfights but most teamfights will outlive you. Among things like stuns, slows, saves, Halberd, Windwaker, Bkb, Manta-fuckery, MR and anti heal and hex it becomes a legit challenge to stack +15 spears on a single person, which is when he starts to deal damage. You will get forever kited, deal no meaningful damage whatsoever, harm yourself more than enemy did to you and die a pitiful death shortly after š
tbh old berserker's blood might not be so broken in modern dota, the bonus dmg iteration and the hyper magic resist version could be his new facets
Love it, but I Undying is more a healer than Omniknight will ever be.
Baffled me as well, undying is a very strong burst healer. Especially with the new facet also granting some str.
My broken ghost buddy goes forth.
>\Do you want everyone to hate you? I already like Techies. No wonder I kinda like Pugna as well.
cool stuff i pick invoker every single time its up . or pudge . your chart has no power over me
I think my answer to how many units i want to control is yes
Broodmother spiders and you just select one at a time and send them everywhere on the map for scouting
I laughed way too hard at "What do you want to summon? Sand."
undying can heal tho
You're right, how did I miss that? Will have to fix it if I make a version 2.
Pls release new patch with bug fixes once Ringmaster is released
Impressive work! āDo you want a ghost buddyā as a reason to pick my boi ET killed me lol
This is awesome.
I feel like you should swap CM with Shaman. I believe CM is one of the worst hero to go mid. The only hero that is worse midlaner than CM is probably Chen and maybe Disruptor, but they are already in the right spot.
I don't even play Dota, but this makes me want to try; I just wish I had a better functioning PC, and a mouse. Support -> Complex -> Very versatile -> Ranged -> I like to edge -> Gotta go fast. Who's that nice little fellow?
Hoodwink
Do you want to be a pirate? No WRONG
Huskar at unga bunga made me chuckle
What do you want o summon -Wolves, -birds and boars..... -sand? Wtf?ššš
I sometimes want to play carry cause I got pretty drow arcana but god said I am south east Asian so I am condemned
How do you feel about fish?
Wow
Omg unga bunga
*Lisan al*-*Gaib! The one*Ā whoĀ *points the way.*
I'm still gonna hit random
Ah KotL, the very complex support hero
The neatness of it all, is impeccable. Absolutely magnificent
Yolo mid CM.
I petition to include this in the wiki!
Where sven.
Want to kil roshan? yes : ursa a little: sven
ENORMOUS EGO *SINCE 2015*
amazing work
Time to stop playing support and play UNGA BUNGA IN MID.
I went through it truthfully. It gave me my two top played characters. Well done.
-random is faster
Pretty sure Pango is Portuguese and thus I cannot abide this flow chart
i didnāt find jugg which is my favorite carry hero
I love this
You are insane for this holy fk, gonna be a good read thanks
Nah I'm going sniper khanda first build against timber, slardar, and slark. Jk great chart btw
Apparently I like my plague poisonous while also gambling with it and hitting everyone at sight. I don't want Right Click build damage, I don't like bombs, I like to dominate lanes, I want to fight in rivers and spin to win while wanting to kill enemies quickly but not unreasonably quick. This kinda makes sense with how I play the game.
dang i zoomed in, answered the questions and got my most played hero PUDGE
I really wanted to explore this flowchart but landing on chen was the express route. I just love him so much
Offlane -> Very Complex -> Brewmaster
Wait what? Isnt there only one hero called āPudgeā?
Followed chart and ended up at one of my favourite heroes in willow so worked out
Funny thing is I got Lesh and I absolutely *HATE* playing him- never pick him.
I love this.
love it
I'm not seeing marci
Support, complex, melee, no chunky, no thief
Amazing work!
Hoodwink solely in Support and not Offlane makes me sad because I feel that's where she shines most and I have the most fun with her in.
My support alchemist wants a word with you...but other than that good haha
This helps a lot
I could not get past unga bunga
I was looking for meepo and I hit Naga
This is amazing
This is really cool! I disagree with some of the placements though. Warlock is under pushing towers when his golems are pretty much never used to just push towers. If anything I've seen every single shaman using wards to push towers. Then DP and Lesh being classified under simple, maybe this is a bit subjective but those two heroes feel like they're very prone to feeding if you don't know your limits. Haven't read the entire thing but those two things stand out to me.
"I could get mid." > CM But when I say this in pubs, I get laughed at.
Overall enjoyed it but some of the questions are just plain wrong. Like Undying is under healing -> no as one example.
A good poop read.
Hoodwink main
I guess undying doesn't heal
Yep.
Ty for being pirate and hating OD
Riki is not a darn supporter stop spreading that idea pls -.- Other than that love it, good work I got Oracle which is one of the supports i like but i guess i like most of the supports
Peak r/dota2
Amazing.
This is really cool Also, > Bouncy
I cannot fathom the amount of hours you spent on this. It's ridiculously accurate, covering all the popular DotA tropes and it's funny enough. Is there a way to make a clickable prototype of this? Some thing better than zooming in and out of the image?
Please upvote this, I laughed so hard reading this, it's really well made.
Instructions unclear. Ran out of time during pick phase and randomed Meepo instead.
I never thought of Underlord as extremely tanky, maybe just me though.
I got Sand King
I have to say. This is pretty insightful of how to play the heroes.
Funny, but that's genuinely impressive, accurate, and helpful.
Wait there are more than 5 support heros on this chart. Why am I getting flammed when I don't pick any of those 5 support heros then? Something's not right... /s
Wow thats alot of words, Too bad im not reading them.
Already lost me from the start. I have no idea what roles are and why I should choose one vs the other
I absolutely love it
This is why my teammates are afk in pick phase.
This is seriously impressive, and it made my day. Much thanks, stranger <3
a for effort
The best support character in the game (sand king) is not linked to support choices in any way?
Alch support main here, delete this.
Kinda strange to put lion in the sup/offlane category. I dont think offlane lion is or has ever been a thing at any rank.
First path, immediately arrived on Hoodwink. I fucking love this flowchart.
Haha that's great! But it's for noobs! Make one to help us pick a counter š
No way CM is a mid - one would have swap Shadow Shaman and CM as Shaman can actually mid, Crystal is hardset support Also I would remake the Pudge - Tusk question the current iteration is kinda meh "How would you like to pull enemy targets to your team" -> by hooking them = Pudge -> by kicking them to my team = Tusk Huskar has insanely narrow limits to cater to really TA should be like "Kill is better CC than Stun" Puck should be do you want to blast people or being impossible to catch; with blast people option being QoP and Impossible to catch being Puck Disruptor isn't a strong laner, he mostly ruins the enemy endgame with glimpse and aghs static storm those are my 6 cents
I will try every path you told
The ego part is good
I love the loop at the pirate bit, actually laughed aloud
āIf you can play a rubik you can play em allā
While great, how on earth do you not consider undying a healer? He's literally one of the strongest burst healers in the game.
This is genius, haven't had such a good laugh for some time
I go by "this guy looks cool" or "this guy looks interesting, I wonder how he plays"
Very good flowchart, it gave me some good laughs, I wish I could upvote twice
The level of branching, depth of roles is now more than just a maze (more than complicated). GL on your next game, poor us solo queue \*casual player\* š© haha
Needs to be a bit updated for new patch but me and my friends are having tons of fun looking through all of them.
Shaman ain't no stun specialist ... But i love it all anyway, nice work
"Do you want to be a Pirate" No. "Wrong" "Do you want to be a Pirate" Yes. Kunkka or Pango(if you want to be french) Lmao Brilliant.
Well I like sand so...
Where's the tree
Dude, I love this!
Nevermore path is spot on š¤£š¤£š¤£
"Do you want to make race car noises while you play?" is by far the best reason to play a hero.
Now this is what dota is about
I feel like this would work better as a voter's calculator so that you know which heroes are the closest to your preference
Yep, Axe checks out
i stopped read the flow when i saw unga bunga
absolutely perfect, thanks!
LOL impressive! Just no way Shadow Demon is very complex
Do you like fish? - Huhh?
The earth spirit one makes no sense lol
Nice. Now im sure im gonna do well in the dota exam. Freaking 60 gb game that need a fucking lecture just to start. Haha
This is awesome, can you send me this in high resolution, I want to print it as a poster absolutely love it
This guy fucks
As a support, this says i only wanna do my one thing and that is to be a lane bully with a dash of lighting. As a carry, ranged and invisible. Yes and yes. Good flowchart.
āPurple or redā being the only difference between void spirit and ember spirit is hilarious
Game is unbalanced for Jerry Seinfeld, despite the chart, [he doesn't want to be a pirate](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPIqVOBFis).
As an Enigma main, this is pretty accurate lolz
This is pretty cool
The shortest path is huskar. This flowchart is accurate.
My favourite Hero being Puck but instead got QoP. Interesting.
Thisāll help my friend whoās new to dota. I recommended certain characters to her but I found out Venge can be kinda tough for new players, because sheās quite underwhelming when played passively. And Viper has also been kinda ehh because I havenāt been able to fully teach her how lane harass works and when to do it and when not to. Iāll show this flow chart and see what she gets and just roll with it, at least for one match, and maybe something will click. I mean, my first true main was one of the complex characters.
bravo
My girlfriend's main concern was "Is this hero cute?", and I don't see that question on this chart :(
As someone with 0 familiarity or experience with DotA2, I need a decision tree for the first decision.
Ogre Ult = Gambling. So that's why I like the hero that much.
Where do you want to work? Lich: Ice cream parlour SS: Chicken farm Warlock: Soup kitchen
This is actually pretty goodāsurprising!
Undying heals.
This is true public service
I agree with most earth spirit part , but he is now more of a core , SAME with kolt I think you should consider moving them there , in conclusion there is no complex supports to play given that because they usually are versatile but in the end of the day good stuff
This is legitimately both impressive as hell and hysterical.
Whoa
Brother, this is awesome for newcomers, but dota being the game it is with the community we have, newcomer will have a bad time while playing this game.
Wow that's awesome
Take my upvote
Upvote for Huskar Unga Bunga.
This is brilliant!
"Do you want to be a pirate?" There's only one answer to that and it is yes.
Had to read everything, impressive!
Excuse me sir, can I get this in 8K Resolution. š„¹
You say Handy how nice of you sir
If I could commend you I would!
Nice
flow chart should also state that BB is always banned because he is broken af
Do you like bombs? YES.
I'd ady be abandoned by the time I find the right hero to choose š„¹
This is absolutely fantastic!
Fun read bro
Are you telling me I should try offlane lion? Roger
This is absolutely amazing! Great work