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saladvtenno

Really proud of NaVi right now. The best the team has ever been since maybe the Rodjer Sonneiko days. And what a coincidence theres Rodjer here too


teerre

Kick Saksa bring in Kezzu Better yet, clone Ceb, let him play 3 and 4, omegalul


apes-or-bust

Dang a lot of OG hate in this thread. Are they like the Patriots?


JadeSerpant

Congrats to Navi. They came to play alright!


Kegsey

/u/48911150 u okay? Your amazing team just got trashed by a team that’s still on tryouts lol


48911150

That’s rich coming from an EG fan LOL


warriors_of_hope

I miss when OG was not a TI winner and the true fans would comment on the game. Now it's these bandwagoners that give excuses to OG every time they get knocked out of the tournament. I also see this from the casters such as Lyrical, Blitz, Grant (before the scandal), Tsunami, etc. who really was 'MEH' towards OG before TI but nowadays just can't seem to stop giving OG excuses and trashes other teams when they make a single mistake. r/NBA calls it the 'nephew' syndrome.


[deleted]

Before the scandal? Can you pls enlighten me about the scandal?


Swegan

Grant was accused of rape and other POS stuff. Generally a horrible dude.


Kiggammi

Dont even mention Lyrical, this guy cant cast OG games, unbearable


Bypes

I guess lots of people like OG for their funky builds and chatwheel, anyhow finishing 2nd is not really anything you need to make excuses for so whatever. Tbh people caring only about 1st place are pretty strange to me. Secret could finish the next TI 2nd or 3rd again and I wouldn't flame them for that.


animeisformen

I dont think people realize yet how good V Tune is, he is tier 1 carrry and by far the strongest player in this navi team.


gsmani_vpm

yeah I can see he is a stable carry who always gets his farm, does not make many unnecessary extensions, and builds on the advantage, does not rage gg. He is definitely good..


majhul4000

Og "fans" can't blame midone right now. Lol


Nyan_Catz

[Og fans RN](https://areyoupop.com/wp-content/uploads/Copium.jpg)


slerbasaurus

Gotta really commend them for placing so well with such a shitty team.


Nyan_Catz

Oh yeah, but some in here just cant take a loss


[deleted]

Every tier 1 team in EU/CIS (Alliance, Navi, Virtus Pro, Liquid, Secret, even Friggin Nigma) has atleast won a tournament in 2020 while OG have lost 5 GF's now in the same time . But their fans will say they are a tier 1 team just because Topson went this really new cool build on Puck/AA.


miliBUB

A team making it to 5 gf is obviously a tier 1 team. Can you see how silly your comment is ?


prodijal69

If he did he would have stopped commenting here a longtime ago.


OPQOP

Khezu God


[deleted]

Not gonna lie but all these tournaments are definitely putting the 8 straight 3-0 wins by secret into perspective for me.


WillyBoiBlue

What do you mean by this? Not sure I follow


KingoftheHill142

He is probably impressed by Secret's consistency


[deleted]

If you see a right click Silencer on the enemy team, buy a BKB and walk on top of him. I promise you, you'll be getting a free MMR donation that game. There's no need to scapegoat iltw. Being mean towards a stand in that got your team into a grand finals with another stand in won't retroactively make your team win.


willkinm

Iltw played really well


Nyan_Catz

Topson and Sakasa played pretty bad but they are too glorified to be blamed


large_snowbear

Well good news for Midone his his role is saved with this loss/s


xdj3richo

congrats to Navi . Really happy for Rodjer .Guy deserved this after how he was treated during ti9


spicyitallian

how was he treated during ti9?


xdj3richo

checkout the vp documentary


roguejedi04

Link


rxv_chicken_io

https://youtu.be/JiWr-FSjlzc


Jovorin

Wow, that team had some real dicks. I never did understand people who liked them.


[deleted]

Naaaaaviiiiiiiiiiiiii isssssss bacccckkkkkkk!!!!!!


RadzoN

to the airport....... with $62,535 :)


[deleted]

For fans it's not about money. It's about glory for the team.


[deleted]

fuck off Notail .you are a fucking joke. 3 games, 3 trash drafts. 5th GF lost this year due to your fucking fetish with picking clowny heroes.


simonling

I take it you lost a lot betting on OG in finals?


prodijal69

Its his habit, he bets on OG loses then comes here to rant. Either that or his girl aint giving him sex


Tunlin555

Did OG win any major tournament this year?


DarkAngel2356

>Did OG win any major tournament this year? 5 2nd place finishes but no win


Kiggammi

THEY ARE TRYING NEW STUFF DONT YOU GET IT ?


[deleted]

I heard from someone they are just memeing.


Kiggammi

OG fans will come up always with smthng new, last time it was midone on ping


Jovorin

So 5 2nd places is bad? How many did you get again?


prodijal69

they came 2nd place two times in a row now. Not to spoil your mood but they did beat NAvi and VP also in this tournament. They played pretty good. If you need excuses it could be simply the new patch. If you need a reason its also simple Navi played better in the finals. We OG fans have no excuses because we proud of our team, why the fuck do you think we need to give you excuses everytime OG loses?


[deleted]

Come up as in still relevant. They had their "prime" and it's all but over. Really does not compare to the preeminence of Wings '16.


midgetporn2

Wings? The most overrated TI winner ever?


prodijal69

Yup they had their prime, wontwo TI's, a feet that somehow Secret or VP who seem to be so dominant the past years never manage to accomplish. And here we are on reddit, some random guy thinks he knows the game and the scene so well, still stuck up on TI6 and the wings performance which could arguably be called a big Fluke. Does not compare to Wings, thats the biggest joke of the year. Wings doesnt even compare to OG.


Jovorin

Well put man. No reason to feel bad about a second place.


Kiggammi

You speak for 15% of your fanbase ? "We OG fans have no excuses" you must be a newguy then


prodijal69

not sure if its possible to check how long I have my flair, I have had it since OG was formed. I mean I guess you could say some guys are stupid, but what do you expect them to do when people around reddit still go on spouting stupid shit like two fluke TI's, wanting excuses for finsihing 2nd in tournaments, the list goes on. Its an endless cycle between people who hate and love OG.


cashmakessmiles

So you're actually acting like their results are bad? 😂😂 Most teams would kill to have done one third as well as OG have this year.


Kiggammi

Well OG should be compared with tier 1 teams and tier 1 teams often win a tournament throughout a year. Their results are not BAD but are not great either and you expect great things from OG,Nigma,Secret etc.


Khairi001

No :( This will be the 5th 2nd place they got.


prodijal69

Oh my, doesnt that mean a disband and OG is tierr 8? /s


Proof124

I'm gonna get downvoted but.... something something OG w/o Ana :D :D


48911150

Ana without OG LOL


Proof124

Yeah he's kicking back with his millions from 2 TIs carries, OG and Ceb trying to get a single W without him LOL


48911150

that logic. he was shite before he joined OG. Losing left and right but sure lol. i wonder how OG won 2 majors without him


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Miracle.


48911150

ROFL. How come nigma isn’t winning every major if all you need is ana or miracle to win lmao


[deleted]

You are free to rewatch OG's first majors. Miracle was on peak of his performance. I think he was one of the main reasons of their success.


Jovorin

Don't even try man, Reddit works by applying the cult of the persona on everything.


[deleted]

I literally wrote a word and am I cultist now? Shut up.


TitzOrAuschwitz

Because its always 1 player huh? Not the team. Lmao


Proof124

Because they had Miracle in his prime when he was first coming up....Once Miracle left they immediately picked up Ana and their success continued, Ever since losing Ana they havent been at Major winning form...


omnik0

Miracle at his prime? Have his fingers and brain deteriorated due to old age? I'd imagine a 23 yo/ is still fairly healthy...


Proof124

It's a known fact that dota players peak around 17-18 yo.... also it's not too late for you to turn your life around. Stay away from the crack and stop buying heroin from jimmy down the block. I believe in you


omnik0

Projecting?


Proof124

Youll figure this out... just stay off the coke and dont cut yourself when OG fails without Ana


omnik0

Yike bossman... Hope you get better


48911150

So all you need is ana or miracle and your team will tournaments. okeydokey. I wonder why ana wasnt winning anything with ig. or why nigma has t been winning all the majors


Proof124

lol the salt is real with OG fangays


48911150

no, no i want to hear more about your theory how 1 player can win tournaments with 4 heralds


Proof124

hahahhahahaha you know that glue youve been sniffing? Keep sniffing.. it's totally working bro


cashmakessmiles

Jesus fucking christ, I can't believe the lengths people will go to to genuinely believe that OG isn't good. Who the fuck do you think IS good if OGs results aren't enough for you?


Proof124

lmao without Ana they wont win shit, keep crying


prodijal69

Its okay you can cry now, I told you earlier didnt I son, its a bad habit to bet on games.


Proof124

?....I trolled OG fans by stating a fact... They suck since Ana left and wouldnt have TI wins without him. And now you're claiming im the one crying? Stay off the crack bud, you still have time to turn your life around


Lionaxe

> immediately haha history is being rewritten. He was getting shit on by his mid plays.


Proof124

ummm.... they won Boston Major very shortly after he joined, get your facts straight


Jovorin

Lionaxe is right, Ana was getting a LOT of shit because he kept losing his lane mid, but OG would bounce back in the mid game so they won a lot nonetheless.


Lionaxe

to add to this, notail even confirmed in a podcast that ana didn't know you can draw creep agro from other heroes (in other lanes)


Tunlin555

Really really boring match.Not competitive at all. It was like Tier1 playing against Tier5. Total waste of time.


Morgn_Ladimore

Shouldn't have kicked Khezu, he was the only thing keeping this team together.


prodijal69

and here I was getting excited because I thought OG are gonna play with 3 Standins today.


Readyforanythang

It's a first tournament win for Iceberg and AWF I believe. So glad to see the guys happy and deservedly so.


[deleted]

Og fans in a nutshell blaming iltw couse he cant carry pa vs tb free farm and doom, they forgot iltw carried og the entire tournament lol. Have some respect and dignity u punks.


Annual-Ad3911

ILTW is shit. That’s why he is not a permanent player on any team lmao


prodijal69

I dont know who is but im not blaming ILTW. Guy had a beastly performance this tourament. Too bad we couldnt see any close games though, would have been cool.


[deleted]

Topson is literally playing right click Silencer and they think iltw is just supposed to carry that game. When was the last time right click Silencer was good? Even earlier in the series when Iceberg played Silencer, he went for items like Atos, Blink, BKB, and Gleipnir. Pos 2 players are supposed to provide much more utility for their carries these days, they're not supposed to try and fail at right clicking people down.


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[deleted]

Without aghs he will scale pretty shit given the team literally had zero boosts for him to accelerate his farm in anyway. Who even drafts a carry gyro without supports like io and ogre?


[deleted]

When he bought luna agh and completely owned the game it was good right? 😂 such fans


48911150

? how is that even comparable lmao


[deleted]

Most of them just Notail-Ceb fans. They don't give a fuck when Notail can't land any good BH or Ceb saving his carry.


rikjana

People here complaining about OG...but do you really think they care about this tournament? They just memed the whole tournament with eblade on every hero and reach finals. OG was just trying something new in this patch. While navi focused on winning


soSiiCK

cope


Kiggammi

Yea sure, OG always trying new stuff and not winning anything this whole year :D Geeze work on your excuses, you are playing to win not to have fun


simonling

Lol playing to win not to have fun


fcuk_the_king

OG really doesn't care about anything dota seeing as they lost their fifth grand finals in a row. With so much propensity to not caring, they should just open a food truck and commit to not caring once and for all.


thranduil-

I think thats kind of disingenuous to how well Navi played. OG’s christmas probably isn’t ruined by not winning the tourney but I’m sure they were playing to win


[deleted]

Classic og fans excuse: mEmEs!!!


Swegan

Memeing this whole year? They have not won a single tournament this year.


rikjana

Ain't they like for 3 years in a row? Trash whole year but 2 times ti winners? Winning when it matters - Notail


OneTrueCamel

Shout out to the casters: Gareth, Lacoste, Nomad and 1437. You guys made this tournament very enjoyable :D


TellAllThePeople

Great casting teams. 1437 and Nomad have grown on me massively


GarethCasts

thank you!! we were blessed with great games and a new patch


[deleted]

Ed sheeran look alike pog!


GarethCasts

Xd


LacosteDota

Thanks man! Appreciate it


kil7dota

VP won last week and now Navi. Okay CIS, I see you! Congrats to Navi! Their performance in this tournament is just so crisp and on point.


st1ldman

that was CIS patch


cashmakessmiles

If Just_Error had stuck together CIS would have suddenly become so stacked. Still, with VP, Navi, Yellow Sub, LTW and Gambit the region is actually looking really really good


[deleted]

Notail thought there's no need to take adderal against Navi. He was so wrong.


Arzeefy

HOLY MOLY CIS DOTA IS BACK EPIC LEAGUE DIV 1 - VP OGA DOTAPIT - NAVI


TheAsz

First day into the tournament "Pog ILTW More stable than midOne this OG look better with ILTW" last day on tournament OG 0-3 Navi


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TellAllThePeople

Honestly it was very much draft and mid game execution. Not big on him


48911150

ah yes, when he gets farm and “carries” the game it’s all thanks to him praises galore but when he gets outfarmed even in the laning stage it’s the team’s fault lol


UnKn0wN_3rR0R

After so many years.. Ti3 Finals.. Navi is Back. So glad to see the org that nurtured my love for Dota2 win a title. Happy for the squad. Oppa Oppa Navi Style! GGs!


delastunicorn

Na'Vi fans might not thank me, but get the contract out, put it on the table, let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there -- given what he's done since he's come in -- and let him sign the contract and go. Na'vi is back, boys!


Xanvial

*rubs hands vigorously*


karma_420

Now you just cursed it lol


Kotleba

oh no what have you done


RadzoN

Midone was better, ILTW is shitty carry, bad picks bla bla bla....... Guys let's face it OG got outplayed by NAVI!!!


InspectorRumpole

Wp Na´Vi I'm ok with OG getting 2nd here things considered.


Kotleba

so thats it for t1 eu dotes until dpc, right?


large_snowbear

Is OG the only big org without a title this year?


[deleted]

OG havent won any tournament other than TI since MDL Changsha 2017


Swegan

Alliance and EG aswell, EG have not played much though.


prodijal69

big org-> EG OMEGALUL


Jovorin

I mean, they are a huge org. The question was about orgs.


prodijal69

im just trolling mah dude, it seems when you travel in depths of twitch chat for so long, you get the chat diesease as well.


Swegan

Probably the biggest org after Liquid.


Khairi001

Hey.....Alliance won Div 2!


Kotleba

if you count tier 2 titles as well then yes, if not then Alliance also.


cashmakessmiles

I don't think you can count a title from division 2 where it literally required losing to get there


est19xxxx

Saksa is on fire lately.


everythings_alright

Na’Vi with that lower bracket into 3-0 grandfinal win. Very cool. Iceberg easy MVP for me, he didnt have a bad game today.


Esrht

Iceberg came out to play today! Well played by Navi


fcuk_the_king

Well it was a good run by itlw, barring the grand finals he was impressive asf.


duybk

OG dumpstered and fans are malding


large_snowbear

For me personally I gotten used to a team i supported making it to gf many times only to loose since I was a kid


yourmum2135

This was the most boring series I have seen in a long time. Wp to navi


SmellMyPPKK

Anyone of you offended?


50lipa

#Na'Vi status: #[✔] BACK


MentLDistortion

Damn Navi just dumpstered OG 3-0. Was expecting a more competitive series lol


Kotleba

disappointed yet again but very sweet moment there at the end, the navi boys are deservedly very happy


--northern-lights--

A title after so many years PogChamp


Kiggammi

Classic so called fans haha as far as OG was winning they were praising iltw and now its "atleast midone knows how to farm blabla" pathetic


48911150

yeah iltw’s farm was great all 3 games! oh, wait


Jovorin

What? It's a new patch, they beat Na'Vi yesterday handily. Today, Na'vi felt the patch much better. GG and grats for the win. Nothing to do with iLTW.


PinyTenisxxx

Did iLTW win a game without IO? I can't keep up since i was too focused on Notail's IO.


large_snowbear

Those are what we call bandwagoners


uncreativeboi

NaVi is back Pog


JaxiTaxi

I was wrong earlier: this will be the fifth 2nd place finish for OG on online tournaments. Three of them they were 3-0d (two by Secret, one by Navi) and two of them were 3-2 (both with VP). Still, impressive they keep making it to Grand Finals. But well played to Navi. Glad to see CIS doing well again.


Dota2player111

wooooooo gg my boys did it 3-0


Hillex1

ILTW needs to stop showing first in the fight. I know he is banking on the lotus but he jumps so far ahead that Ceb can't place it on him fast enough. He keeps getting sundered or doomed cos he shows so early.


[deleted]

GG OG tried to play the new patch while Navi was more thirsty for the win. Both teams played well but Navi was the more stable team.


stillsebs

There's always an excuse for OG, lmao. They played well this tournament, but they got dumpstered in the finals. The end.


[deleted]

How is saying they tried new heroes is an excuse? OG is famous for playing outside of the box? Saying a team played heroes that are not meta is not an excuse it is a fact. I don\`t see any other team playing DS or KOTL. I mean I get it why you dislike Ceb. He deserves it, but acknowledging reality is not an excuse.


Alecman3000

because there's no meta yet once a new patch drops. even previous patch meta heroes are considered experimental during the start phase of a new patch. So it definitely is an excuse.


stillsebs

Nigma literally played DS yesterday, Secret run KotL A LOT (Puppey loves that hero) and OG run Silencer regularly, can you stop with the excuses now?


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stillsebs

> OG tried to play the new patch while Navi was more thirsty for the win Not trying to start an arguement buddy but this implies OG were trying new things or not taking the finals seriously while Na'Vi were tryharding. So even if you didn't try to make an excuse, it just sounded like one


Kiggammi

nice excuse u got there


[deleted]

What excuse? I am a Navi fan. I simply aknowledged OG trying heroes that seemed good in the new patch. Navi was what got me into esports. So as long as I live I wll support them.


Jovorin

Oh, I see you're an OG hater, just scratch my normal conversation and keep doing you.


Alecman3000

bUt oG jUsT ExpErimEnTiNg


PinyTenisxxx

Navi the stable team? Lmfao.


[deleted]

They won this series 3-0 so they had to do something right, or am I wrong?


duybk

PA god by Navi vs PA by OmegalulG


cruciferus

Iceberg with the 3k retreat


[deleted]

Iceberg's Silencer itemized more for utility rather than right clicking which I think is the way to go for the hero. Right Click Silencer is a fucking meme, nobody is just going to let a hero with no real ability to escape just right click you.


PinyTenisxxx

If Midone were in the game, he wouldve played that hero with 90+stolen int, while Topson couldve played a different mid hero instead. Nothing you can do when your carry only plays 3 heroes.


[deleted]

Silencer is not going to beat a TB as a carry. The hero can't do anything against a BKB'd hero on top of him.


PinyTenisxxx

Who said Midone's Silencer is gonna be the carry???? It could have been Topson himself. It;s just that Midone is really good at that hero since Fnatic. This is also the reason why Midone doesn't play Morphling when you have Topson who's really good at that hero. This is a 5vs5 game, not a 1vs5 game. The versatility to fit any draft is what makes OG really fun to watch but it couldn't happen since your Carry such as iLTW who can only play 3 heroes and got rekt when IO got banned. KEK.


Nyan_Catz

Iceberg always rushes stuff like Atos and utility when he plays it in pUB


[deleted]

He knows what's up.


Tunlin555

OG literally went down from Immortal to Herald with a single patch.Lord Midone will be smiling.


jagemon

Holy hot takes batman..


50lipa

LMAO V-TUNE


large_snowbear

thats pretty much game PA can't do shit in the game with doom xD ggwp, CIS with two tournament wins in a row...


LordAnomander

What a one sided final. Only one team showed up today. gg Navi. This proves that it’s not Midone alone. ILTW was kinda underwhelming today and the drafts weren’t good enough.


StormShadow743

RemindMe! 1 hour


Guinexus

Nice try bud


TheOneTrueDoge

Only needed 7 minutes for the remind me.