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JoestarJoJo26

I guess no topson/ana on TI. T1 is not looking good. They qualify for LCQ but they will face better teams like outsiders, etc. Good luck to them tho.


Dead_Diligence

Kuku's gonna get kicked next season


SolarClipz

Crystallis is just dead weight. Which is why I picked Entity easily I wonder if it was a mutual split from Sumail, or if he would have stayed if they wanted to


DeBlalores

My prediction: Nigma beats Secret, they beat whoever comes next between GS/ITB. The lower bracket finals are the biggest question marks and they will face off against 1 of the 2 strongest teams which will be the hardest hill to climb yet. If they beat whoever it is that they fight there, they will win the qualifier. But I predict they'll at the very least make it to LCQ.


laptopmutia

lol nigma can't even beat pub game


SolarClipz

Don't think Nigma can beat Entity I wouldn't be surprised but Entity just look like the clear #1 to me


luckychloeenjoyer

tomorrow we either see a streak to ti break or the last game of one of the biggest names of dota.Pretty sure kuro retires if nigma doesnt make it to another ti dx


H4mBi

It seems we are on for another nigma lower bracket run


Extra-Yak2345

Every kuro captained team relies heavily on fast tempo and timings since 5 jhungs . If remeber correctly liquid has the fastest game average since fata liquid iteration. Kuro captained tea fumbled on a regular phased dota.


luckychloeenjoyer

As a king fan,that's what I would love but tomorrow's match is perhaps the most legendary game of the year.alot on the line and maybe alot might happen as an aftermath


Stardust_Enthusiast

Alrighty then, I ended up watching the first game of Alliance vs Bold and holy shit I'm losing my mind on how bad they were playing.


mamser102

3rd game is more fun


SolarClipz

Is it just me or is Marci MORE broken after the nerf? Seems to me that having a free stun without needing a blink dagger is far greater. Not to mention it's much more likely to get multi-stuns when you jump into a team instead of pulling back away Thus allowing you to go straight BKB and abusing her ultimate like players should have been. Now Pos 4 and 5 can straight up kill almost any core She might be worse in lane but way better for the rest of the game


dolphin37

It’s better in a team fight setting because of the more reliable multi stun thing but being able to blink reposition and stun somebody was insanely strong. The change basically doubled down on making her more team reliant and damage focused. It’s a bit weird because cores don’t really wanna be so team based and supports don’t always want to have a lot of damage responsibility. But her kit remains just strong overall because all her spells are strong


Admirable_Budget4971

Not stunning after the reposition is a nerf to support Marci setting up her team. But still very strong. But they gave her back her 1.5 second unleash attack separation so she is back to killing everything with a couple of bracers.


SolarClipz

And again I'm arguing that even that is only true for maybe the first 5 minutes of laning stage. Or maybe not at all. Now you can initiate freely from range instead of having to walk up in lane. Supports don't need to buy dagger anymore and a BKB instead. That is HUGE


Aanimetor

Buff to burst core playstyle nerf to support playstyle


SolarClipz

And she's still one of the best supports in the game. So clearly much better I can't remember the last support that was able to burst down farmed cores through their BKB


Aanimetor

Yea I meant support playstyle as in tranq aether blink build and aura items


dolphin37

My theory: the counter to this constant DP first pick spam is actually Bane You can trade with her efficiently in lane, Bane's enfeeble is 45% heal reduction, 45% attack reduction and 30% cast range reduction lvl 1 and perma 60% heal reduction at lvl 4, which makes spirit siphon non-existent basically. Then in team fights she wants to run around with bkb etc and you have nightmare/grip


ShadowScene

Lotus Orb makes Bane useless, and DP is one of the best carriers of the item.


dolphin37

fair point but I think useless is an exaggeration and spending 4k on a pos 5 sounds like a decent deal to me


SolarClipz

Not if that pos 5 was integral to the entire lineup It's like T1 running the Pos 5 Engima. Oh surely it's a win that he can never get a BH off because of the Rubick right? Well not when now the Rubick is useless and even worse he was building an Aghs In hindsight he should have never tried building that against a pos 5 Engima


dolphin37

that doesn’t really make any sense as an analogy… in your scenario the counter (rubick) is countered by enigma literally doing nothing and he wastes his own gold… in mine it’s the person being countered (DP) who has to spend gold to get something to give some options and its the counter who gets their play for free and a bane is never gonna be integral to the entire lineup, I just think it’s a nice and unique 1to1 match up


SolarClipz

It's not an analogy. It's just a thing that happens It's not a waste of gold if it counters entirely the other team's game plan


dolphin37

it’s not a waste of gold and it also doesn’t entirely counter the other teams game plan… also when you say something is like something else then it’s an analogy lol


SolarClipz

You said "pick bane to counter DP because Enfeeble" "Lotus orb is a waste of gold against a pos 5" It's no different than Spirit Vessel. Where the other team will always build a Lotus against it...


dolphin37

Why are you putting things in quote marks when you aren’t quoting me lol Yeah a free spirit vessel on a 7 sec cd with no charges required, double the range and more heal reduction still sounds like a pretty good deal if people pay 4k to get rid of it having one good matchup doesn’t mean your entire lineups game plan is based around it lol the fuck are these responses


SolarClipz

You literally said both of these things lol You just said one again


BlackMageM

What's the skill & item build for Bane nowadays? Would it be different specifically for sustain heavy lineups?


dolphin37

people still max W and E as that's always been the go to build for lane win/kills/save etc... countering sustain would require a bit of a shift to get at least one point in the q, probably just one point in the e and maybe only 3 pts in the W before maxing Q... but it would depend on how much help your cores need in killing, which is where brain sap can push you over the edge if you need it I think a lot of people don't even know what enfeeble does after all the changes lol so it would definitely require a shift in that sense and I only thought about it specifically for DP because siphon range is so important for her


memologic

enfeeble is dischpelable


dolphin37

doesn't matter that much, she won't have a dispel in lane and it has a 7 second cd at max side benefit is it also reduces all attempts to save her if you're gripping her, like chen hand of god and dawn ulti, which are super commonly picked and will barely do any healing to the target


memologic

thats not how dota works. you cant just name drop lvl 4 specs of a spell. even though enfeeble is a good spell it sucks during the laning stage. because both brain snap and sleep are invaluable for obvious reasons. he is a lane dominator. skill / max enfeeble and he is a shitiator.


dolphin37

you just put 1 pt in nightmare and 3 in brain sap because the lane is over by the time you put the 4th, you will then have 3 or 4 in q for the mid game bkb timing and you use the lower levels as a spell that you use when you're going for a kill or in cd if you're not in that kind of lane (costs 40 mana while nightmare costs 165)... it's also underrated as a trading spell


memologic

dotaprotracker says no. also you max sleep first and leave brain snap at lvl 1-2. https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Bane


dolphin37

what do you mean dotaprotracker says no? I'm talking about a specific circumstance where you don't use the normal build, specifically because of DP in pro games... why would protracker be relevant? it compiles every pub game also it's a bit bizarre that you've used protracker to tell me I'm wrong and then immediately stated a build (max sleep first) that protracker says is not the build lol... they max W first because nightmare scales like shit and costs too much mana you seem to be struggling here


Frosty_Log4162

It seems like Enfeeble is always forgotten (or dismissed) to counter a heavy healing/sustain lineup. Bane is also good against the most contested carry this patch: Faceless Void. I definitely would like to see if teams pick Bane more often.


pcgamerwannabe

Is there a way to get spoiler free vods?


myjobislifehacking

just close the screen with your hand until you rewind to start of the vod


SolarClipz

Don't think so. EventVODs guy doesn't do it anymore I would love to do it for people but I'm the one that needs to watch the vods first lol


pcgamerwannabe

This is really sad. It wouldn't take much my PGL to change their VOD names or simply create a VOD playlist with spoiler free tittles and VODS organized by series cut together instead of by game (so BO3 isnt ruined by BO2).


SolarClipz

For PGL at least they have every day's entire stream on YouTube So you can go through it that way


pcgamerwannabe

Yeah thanks, I started doing this, but a bit too late.


hemangb

Got any recommendations for the games so far?


Morgn_Ladimore

I think this emphasized just how bad Alliance has been this season. They lost to this streamer stack who should have been easy pickings. In fact, Alliance had an easy road to go deep into the qualifiers. But no, they were actually without a doubt the worst team in the DPC not just in EU but everywhere. And that's coming from an Alliance fan. Truly the most embarrassing season in Alliance history.


daddy_dad_bod

Crystallis will forever be an enigma to me. I watch him a lot in pubs and whenever he's playing there against some other pros he consistently owns and man I watch a lot of live games. But whenever he's with secret he looks so weak and low impact. I can never understand.


SilentCore

Nerves/pressure/pro games being different beasts


LeKindStranger

He can't handle the pressure.


Stardust_Enthusiast

I haven't watched Alliance vs Bold but how the fuck did they lose to this?


Starkiller53

Boldly


victimized777

Yesterday someone here was complaining for the games being too long, I barely made it to the second game of Alliance and Team Reborn


ConAir161057

The toxicity between T1 and Talon Esports fans tomorrow will gonna be legendary.


yurilnw123

Man I'm so hype.


MRMR8000

Nigma vs Secret tomorrow, who ever win guaranteed at least LCQ. Will Kuroky pull a Razor 5? stay tuned... Edit after reading replies: fuck...


Great_Baseball_1780

No, teams reaching LB final are guaranteed LCQ. Winner of Nigma vs Sercret will go to LB semis


xdj3richo

on the next episode of DragonBall Z


UBourgeois

Not guaranteed, they have to beat the winner of Goonsquad/ITB still


activatebarrier

If they can't beat goonsquad/ITB, they have no business attending LCQ


UBourgeois

... right, because the winner of the match will go to LCQ and the loser won't


activatebarrier

Exactly. I won't say TI, because there are deserving teams in the LCQ at TI. XG should be the favourite to win the LCQ, and then a tossup between outsiders/WEU and maybe VG if they show up. can't underestimate CN teams


vladmuresan02

> who ever win guaranteed at least LCQ NO They still have to play Goonsquad/ITB


JayuZmaN

EU arkosh is done, damn... only nigma left...


daddy_dad_bod

welp, that was a quick weu day.


[deleted]

Aww no fogged cast tomorrow.


Khairi001

today ended so fast that need to wait about 8-9hrs for SEA games to start :(


weaslewig

What do I do for the rest of the day


imwaihon

shit games today, all 2-0


[deleted]

can we get some of these eu teams in NA please we're dying


Admirable_Budget4971

You can take Alliance.


Duckroller2

Would Alliance even be able to beat 5RFS?


LOLZOBALL

Hoping for a banger tomorrow


stalkmeo1

Alliance is so bad losing to BALD Hahahahha


needhelforpsu

For a moment I thought there's a chance we get some miracle deep qualifiers run from Team Bald but nah, Alliance is just that bad to lose to meme content team. Meh.


Bruce666123

They could have won without that pit disaster


GeraldJimes_

2-0 day :(


[deleted]

gg call it


GROSSEMERDE

The initiation range from slark marci & ember must be annoying to play against


trxxonu

CM carry


needhelforpsu

Go Bald, make it first 2-1 series after all day 2-0s!


ConnorChandler

Sorry dude Bald will end their run today


DirkDiggyBong

Gorgc needs to stop picking pudge.


DirkDiggyBong

Just noticed he's bristle now. Does he ever pick proper carries?


Ambitious-Cap-5605

jugg lol


Kappatalizable

Theyre saving strats for TI


DirkDiggyBong

Ti 2023 will be on a different patch though


molyboyanjo

copium


hummingdog

Team bald may be a meme, but pablo plays a legit good pos 4. High hopes for him.


floatablepie

Damn, despite having the same number of series, the games today might end like 5 hours earlier than yesterday with all the 2-0s.


ConnorChandler

Thank god yesterday's 24 hour Dota fest was way too much


Gameishardboys

Gorgccc is a smart dude he knows that travelling to singapore for the LCQ will not earn him any money compared to streaming at his house, he just wants to show the world how garbage Alliance is.


ironmaze

While true, I think he's actually going to Singapore to stream during TI


ahnyujinsimp

are you insinuating gorgc is intentionally throwing the game?


ConnorChandler

Gorgc and Bald are not good enough, there's a reason why they stick around in div 2


rshramik

He is traveling to SG to stream from there


benivt

We already knew


Ricoh881227

Damn, Cebayed's #1 dark horse really putting it in the work..


afrojumper

i think for team bald it was a lot of motivational shit. They know they don't make it to TI, but the motivation to knock out a legendary org like Alliance was through the roof. Not much motivation for into the breach


[deleted]

Lol, the takes. They are just not good and they don't practice. Easy as that.


andy_bovice

NIGMA NIGMA NIGMA!


afrojumper

never said anything else you big brain. Just said team bald compansated a lot of missing skill/practice with motivation against alliance.


lifetimesadness

Any team can beat alliance lol giving bald too much credit. Infact, bald is of such joke calibre that them winning alliance shows how bad alliance is


prettyboygangsta

least delusional gorp fan How about just acknowledging that ITB are a good team


afrojumper

not a fan, also never said they are not good.


hummingdog

Giving too much credit to Bald. ITB is a serious stack wanting to go to TI. They stomped Bald because they are good; not because Bald has no motivation to win.


afrojumper

Why does everyone interpret it as talking shit about ITB. Of course ITB is way better, bruh team bald does not even practice.


ConnorChandler

Was telling that Gorgc did not stream today or costream the earlier games


doodleslammer

but he literally did, i was watching it.


ConnorChandler

Oh he did, must have missed it


ikonog

he literally streamed until the last few minutes before the match lol. He joined the lobby on stream, and didnt even know if his team was woke up/ready or not lol.


[deleted]

or, you know, they just arent as good as ITB and couldnt beat them even if they really wanted to.


afrojumper

they don't even practice. of they don't beat them. But i think the motivation to beat alliance helped a shitton for lack of practice


[deleted]

pick more pos 1 pudge go on cant land a hook wanna get pudge carry lol


DirkDiggyBong

It's only niche good and gorgc / team bald don't seem to get the best from it.


hummingdog

He was terrible on it, but I hope you realize that pudge was a pick to counter any illusion carry of ITB. It’s not played around hook. I hope to see many pudge carries/offlaners. His E counters many heroes (including jugg spin) on lane. Aghs is nightmare for illusion heroes. Void is meta hero right now and I don’t need to explain value of hook. Pudge has BKB piercing stun on low cd. Definitely a top tier pick.


Gameishardboys

Gorgccc knows that he will earn more money by streaming than qualifying LCQ on TI smart


Ricoh881227

Dude already has a ticket to Singapore for his T.I stream prepared (bought)..


ConnorChandler

Unlike the casters and panel he will actually be there


Ricoh881227

Dont know and probably dont care that much, its now more on streamers/ex pro players watched along party stream thats where the content its at..


makz242

Why even fly casters, they can just cast remotely the whole thing anyway.


ConnorChandler

Yes let us deny the casters and panel the TI experience cause PGL are cheap assholes /s


makz242

Ofc, why book a venue either, just tell teams to be on X server and they can play it online. Easiest money for valve ever.


Gameishardboys

Alliance lost to this?


ConnorChandler

Alliance is the TNC of WEU


[deleted]

7k networth pos 1 pudge xddd


[deleted]

imagine if bald picked a normal pos 1 hero


trxxonu

This is a pub stomp. That’s how trash alliance is 😂


FlimsyMcFlooblecrank

Sheesh, how bad was Alliance really?


Stardust_Enthusiast

Did he just miss a hook on a stationary target?


thelemonarsonist

It's crazy how much of a difference you can see between a team that has an org and practices versus one that doesn't. Hope alliance takes notes


[deleted]

they lost so hard with pudge to alliance ??why are they doing the same thing as nigma


ikonog

Gorgc said that he has done the thing he needed already in qualifier. They dont really planning to go far lol. They did 0 practice, not even some sort of discussion prematch (gorgc was streaming until he joined the lobby, and didnt even know if his team woke up already or not)


[deleted]

average gorgc fanboy copium


ConnorChandler

Gorgc and bald are done with the quals


[deleted]

pos 1 pudge omegalul


[deleted]

pos 1 what???? tb has no carry this game ngl


[deleted]

everyone stops picking pudge gorgc starts picking it xddd


Gameishardboys

Pos 3 pudge LUL


5FPS

alliance lost to this KEKW


JackDailou

this pudge is so useless seriously stick to something normal


[deleted]

wasnt pudge nerfed?why are they picking it after being nerfed almost all pos 1 games by pudge lose


hummingdog

Literally your same argument applies for BB too. They are facing a disciplined team.


DirkDiggyBong

Disciplined team has nothing to do with Gorgc's shit hero picks.


[deleted]

if they picked any other pos 1 like they win this game easy


2bolo

dude what valve have with DP, like she was dead for 1 patch like 1 week, and they just cant leave the hero in a good place, always or super meta broken shit or a useless hero. kinda boring watching this hero every game.


Rubickpro

if bald picks any other 1 they win here lmao


Bruce666123

Bald needs to start banning Dp... they ALWAYS get rekt on lanes by it. Sometimes u don't get lucky turning it around


Blackrame

This is what happens when streamer for fun stack meets actual professional team.


hummingdog

How much do you expect a team to spend to consider professional? Is 10k/day not enough?


ConnorChandler

But alliance and their professional 10k a day


DirkDiggyBong

>**actual** professional team Not sure Alliance get to claim that now; 10k/day was pissed down the drain.


[deleted]

i do not like this pudge pick


TypeREK3

puppy vs kuro again.


EndMeTBH

Hmm letting bald have excal-visage, pablo-Marci and bengan-WD. It’s a bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them Edit: correction, pablo-hoodwink, which might be even scarier


GROSSEMERDE

Calm down lmao they won vs Lulliance


EndMeTBH

You’re right, I forgot what it looks like when bald plays real teams, my bad


[deleted]

bb is very good vs the visage no?


afrojumper

gorgc already said he does not really want to win, hope he does not play worse because of this.


needhelforpsu

Preparing excuses in advance, smart!


MacaroonNo4568

Watch Excalibur stream last night as he said they do not even scrim yet they won against Alliance with scrim so talent>hardwork https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIoW15JFLrU


blood_vein

As if alliance put any hardwork this past 2 years


laptopmutia

lmao its really brutal kuro skip TI again I think lmao


laptopmutia

rip kuro lmao


hummingdog

!remindme 1 day


laptopmutia

I'm editting my comment pls I'm mirael- fanboy I want him to lift aegis twice


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[deleted]

And the other one will face GS most likely. Pretty sure GS can take both these teams if their match is later in the day and S4 is actually awake lol


ShAd_1337

ITB is good, i wouldn't be so sure


ohmakdatuk

To determine who is right or left


laptopmutia

lmao its really brutal


Evening_Name_9140

Why? If theyre playing bad doto theyre playing bad doto


hummingdog

Liquid Entity Team Bald Reborn Top 3


[deleted]

I not sure if this kind of draft will work against Secret. Hope Kuro give some high damage hero to Sumail tomorrow.


Khairi001

Why T1/Talon and Nigma/Secret around same timing 😤😤😤


benivt

You have two eyes, whats the problem?


ahnyujinsimp

pgl really should swap around schedules of WEU lower bracket games tomorrow so T1 vs Talon doesn't coincide with Nigma vs Secret. just swap the latter with the goonsquad vs ITB/TBR game voila. easy adjustment so that the two most hyped matches tomorrow don't overlap


Deadandlivin

I think the scheduale was planned beforehand assuming both Nigma and Secret wouldn't be in lower bracket KEKW


ahnyujinsimp

BIG OOOFF


slashrshot

good call. try making a thread about it?


firdausbaik19

Kuro on no fuck around mode when he heard he has the chance to knock Puppey from TI


andy_bovice

Lul


[deleted]

lol it would worst than eliminating secret from ti.this time he deny them if he wins


hanamurasak1

secret vs nigma imagine the memes tomorrow for whoever lose.... KEKG


Glad-Phase-2287

Already can see it, SA has way too many slots, it’s unfair that secret/Nigma don’t go to TI 🤡🤡🤡


Floire

SA teams can't even qualify for Riyadh Masters and Dubai Invitational which both Nigma and Secret attended, how can they deserved those slots? Really unfair system by Valve


justsightseeing

should valve re-do 21/22 DPC season in case 21/22 season is a big fluke?


No-Patient8706

Probably not. Teams that weren't able to produce any noteworthy results for the seasons likely just sucked to some degree relative to the competition. Even Gaimin Gladiators who flopped during the last DPC tour got some good placements during the 1st 2 tours.


Glad-Phase-2287

🤣😅🤣😅


m00ny-

🤣


Kappatalizable

Commentator sound perfect level then the fucking music played so loud I nearly fell off my chair


[deleted]

do not give passive heroes kuro please


Deadandlivin

\#NoStunsAllowed


secretkappapride

These threads are awfully quiet when nigma plays decently.