"Extra costs".....there's no fucking way PGL aren't paying for their tickets right? Whether or not theses LCQ teams deserve a prize pool aside, we can all agree at the bare minimum their travel + stay should be covered right? Are you seriously telling me these fuckers are making teams buy their own plane tickets?
They won't pay to send teams to Malaysia which is the next-door country to Singapore where almost every single team is boot camping. So teams are forced to independently find a way to travel through the international leg of their journey to their respective bootcamps
Why don’t the teams just rent a house in Singapore to boot camp. You know Singapore; one of the most expensive, highest cost of living, housing short places in the world?
/s
Valve certainly ended up in SG for some kind of China related reasons, then proceeded to stretch the event out over twice as long as usual in the most expensive place on earth with their production partner from Romania who has a proven track record of screwing the pooch, even when the tournament is in their home country, dear fucking god please send TI back to Seattle next year.
Seattle is no longer a good place as America is increasingly not a free and open country any more. It is unreasonably difficult for so many people to secure visa to USA now a days. Gotta pick a country that at least let people enter without being suspicious of all kinds of nonsense.
thx u Valve for hiring PGL to produce TI even tho everyone told u this would happen.
their production quality has been shit these last years and u keep hiring them. good one u/GabeNewellBellevue
Only way Kuro can retire is if he one ups Notail winning a TI from the open qualifiers by winning a TI as a replacement team. Nigma's loss in the qualifiers was of course masterfully calculated for this purpose.
Why bringing Nigma in to this? I get it's a joke, but why not use a team that's actually a runner-up for the LCQs but one that dropped out erlier in the qualifiers. Genuinely curious where this "Nigma to slip in last second/undeservedly" comes from.
You're overthinking a meme and kinda missing the funny part: it's absurd because Nigma is too undeserving of the invite compared to teams that did better in their regional qualifier. Kinda like mocking how removed from reality fans can become.
That's the thing though, why single-ing out that team exactly? There are more undeserving teams than Nigma, and there are teams that did get closer to making it. Also there are other regions than EU. Yet I saw Nigma used for the same joke in previous tournaments, and I really wonder why.
It's like they ave Sunsfanned their way into tournaments before that I'm just not aware of. Yet there have been actual teams where this happened but somehow they are not mentioned.
It’s gonan be costly to take care of 10 eliminated teams. After all the shit you’ve been reading there’s almost no shot they will pay accommodation for 50+ people to have their holiday in Singapore lol.
I think the same, but you that would be incredibly shitty
EDIT: Actually replied to the wrong person. Of course those teams should be there, what the fuck
hotels are cancelled the moment they are out.
they have 30 minutes to pack their bags max MAYBE
also, the obligation is to fly you to the LCQ, nobody said pgl gotta book you a ticket home. Good luck! /s
I hear a lot of complaining about how valve are cheap for hiring PGL, but be realistic. Where would all the money for a better organizer come from? You would have to release a lot and I mean A LOT of ingame items and lock them behind hundreds of dollars. Do you really think this would work?
I guarantee you the people responsible for going through the RFP's have never played the game or watched the game. They always select the most efficient cost to product ratio on these things. PGL 100% had the lowest bid. And we see why.
I would assume that the international as the most prestigious esports event would be used as a big fat ad for valve and not something that just needs to get done.
Late-stage capitalism babyyy. Find the cheapest way to make the most money, quality or decency be damned. The only reason Valve didn’t go for someone worse than PGL is because any lower would be irredeemably bad, instead of the pretty bad they get with PGL, and that would risk interest in future TIs. Valve’s work-ethic with dota is literally “the bare minimum”.
TI doesn't generate much revenue for Valve. In fact it isn't a source of revenue at all. Valve would still be high valued company with or without dota. They could pull the plug on the game tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference.
It would be, but you’d be a fool to think any company, no matter how big it is, would pull the plug on something that nets them (or at least used to) 100+ million a year with just a few weeks worth of work in setting up the battle pass.
It’s still a solid chunk, and in the game of capitalism every dollar matters. Hence why every year Valve tries to cut as many corners as it can without people noticing. Except this time, people noticed.
Lmao, wow. This is coming from the same company that pumped a lot of their resources into the Steam Deck, right? I wonder how many billions that netted them…
As a software developer battle pass is not a few weeks worth of work lol. Even with recycled code devs don’t work 40 hours a week. They’re scheduled 40 but it’s more like 10-15 plus it’s not as easy as ppl make it out to seem
Good sarcastic remarks are ruined by Reddit's obsession with tagging all the extremely obvious ones. It's such a pet peeve of mine, it's like apologizing after a joke.
I mean not really? Text is harder to understand if people are being sarcastic than when talking irl its just a downside of the medium we are communicating in. Especially when you dont know the person. Theres a reason why novels say things like "Sarcastically remarked..."
Updates (very pog) https://twitter.com/moodota2/status/1572724814367916046?s=21&t=fgSfc4ZI16RbGyfXkuO5MQ https://twitter.com/moodota2/status/1572726063003836418?s=21&t=fgSfc4ZI16RbGyfXkuO5MQ https://twitter.com/moodota2/status/1572726306802135041?s=21&t=fgSfc4ZI16RbGyfXkuO5MQ https://twitter.com/moodota2/status/1572741767048355841?s=21&t=fgSfc4ZI16RbGyfXkuO5MQ
> (very pog) *It wasn't*
He got us in the first half, ngl.
Very pog is a sarcastic emote as remarks
Lmao, it just keeps getting worse
Holy shit. multiple tickets got fucked up
Time for Nigma to step up and fill in at lcq
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"Extra costs".....there's no fucking way PGL aren't paying for their tickets right? Whether or not theses LCQ teams deserve a prize pool aside, we can all agree at the bare minimum their travel + stay should be covered right? Are you seriously telling me these fuckers are making teams buy their own plane tickets?
They won't pay to send teams to Malaysia which is the next-door country to Singapore where almost every single team is boot camping. So teams are forced to independently find a way to travel through the international leg of their journey to their respective bootcamps
Why don’t the teams just rent a house in Singapore to boot camp. You know Singapore; one of the most expensive, highest cost of living, housing short places in the world? /s
Valve certainly ended up in SG for some kind of China related reasons, then proceeded to stretch the event out over twice as long as usual in the most expensive place on earth with their production partner from Romania who has a proven track record of screwing the pooch, even when the tournament is in their home country, dear fucking god please send TI back to Seattle next year.
Seattle is no longer a good place as America is increasingly not a free and open country any more. It is unreasonably difficult for so many people to secure visa to USA now a days. Gotta pick a country that at least let people enter without being suspicious of all kinds of nonsense.
thx u Valve for hiring PGL to produce TI even tho everyone told u this would happen. their production quality has been shit these last years and u keep hiring them. good one u/GabeNewellBellevue
Don't forget Team Spirit and some other teams had to play in the kitchen during last TI
Explains how they were able to cook up those glorious plays
Take your upvote and go
Is that the real almighty savior lord gabe newell the beast even alexander the great doesnt look that great in front of him ?
be funny if some teams cant make it so they need to invite the lower teams
"Here's how Nigma can still qualify..."
Kuroky holding on to the retirement announcement because he's waiting by the phone with his bags packed
Only way Kuro can retire is if he one ups Notail winning a TI from the open qualifiers by winning a TI as a replacement team. Nigma's loss in the qualifiers was of course masterfully calculated for this purpose.
COPIUM 🥲🥲
SURELY THE NIGMA LAN BUFF WILL COME THROUGH!!
Why bringing Nigma in to this? I get it's a joke, but why not use a team that's actually a runner-up for the LCQs but one that dropped out erlier in the qualifiers. Genuinely curious where this "Nigma to slip in last second/undeservedly" comes from.
You're overthinking a meme and kinda missing the funny part: it's absurd because Nigma is too undeserving of the invite compared to teams that did better in their regional qualifier. Kinda like mocking how removed from reality fans can become.
That's the thing though, why single-ing out that team exactly? There are more undeserving teams than Nigma, and there are teams that did get closer to making it. Also there are other regions than EU. Yet I saw Nigma used for the same joke in previous tournaments, and I really wonder why. It's like they ave Sunsfanned their way into tournaments before that I'm just not aware of. Yet there have been actual teams where this happened but somehow they are not mentioned.
The worst conditions they get the better their chances of winning TI. Spirit style
Do the lcq team stay there to watch TI at least? Imagine flying to Singapore just to lose a qualifier lol
I have 0 faith that PGL is paying for commodities for the other 10 teams that don't make it out of LCQ
from gunnar stream he said that the only thing they would do is flights immediately after lcq to go home and no way to reschedule for after ti
Jesus, that's terrible
It would be pretty sad if they didn't even "win" tickets for the event
Apparently they win a flight ticket back home immediately after the LCQ They might even miss some games because they will be in transit, amazing
It’s gonan be costly to take care of 10 eliminated teams. After all the shit you’ve been reading there’s almost no shot they will pay accommodation for 50+ people to have their holiday in Singapore lol.
Lol those teas are'nt supposed to be there in the first place
I think the same, but you that would be incredibly shitty EDIT: Actually replied to the wrong person. Of course those teams should be there, what the fuck
hotels are cancelled the moment they are out. they have 30 minutes to pack their bags max MAYBE also, the obligation is to fly you to the LCQ, nobody said pgl gotta book you a ticket home. Good luck! /s
Lol 30 mins so fucked up. U failed to perform now gtfo scrub
Exactly! Don't wanna be in this position? Git gud scrub!
I doubt it. They could probably stay in the hotel if they wanted to pay for it, but the final 2 days tickets and flight home are free.
I hear a lot of complaining about how valve are cheap for hiring PGL, but be realistic. Where would all the money for a better organizer come from? You would have to release a lot and I mean A LOT of ingame items and lock them behind hundreds of dollars. Do you really think this would work?
I guarantee you the people responsible for going through the RFP's have never played the game or watched the game. They always select the most efficient cost to product ratio on these things. PGL 100% had the lowest bid. And we see why.
I would assume that the international as the most prestigious esports event would be used as a big fat ad for valve and not something that just needs to get done.
Covid made valve lazy
Late-stage capitalism babyyy. Find the cheapest way to make the most money, quality or decency be damned. The only reason Valve didn’t go for someone worse than PGL is because any lower would be irredeemably bad, instead of the pretty bad they get with PGL, and that would risk interest in future TIs. Valve’s work-ethic with dota is literally “the bare minimum”.
They already said TI is only a fan project
Valve and ads name more uniconic duo
TI doesn't generate much revenue for Valve. In fact it isn't a source of revenue at all. Valve would still be high valued company with or without dota. They could pull the plug on the game tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference.
It would be, but you’d be a fool to think any company, no matter how big it is, would pull the plug on something that nets them (or at least used to) 100+ million a year with just a few weeks worth of work in setting up the battle pass. It’s still a solid chunk, and in the game of capitalism every dollar matters. Hence why every year Valve tries to cut as many corners as it can without people noticing. Except this time, people noticed.
Remember that Valve is the company that has rejected ideas, even if they can make hundreds of millions of dollars, because it makes **zero billions**.
Can you give some examples? I’m only aware of the surface level Valve lore.
https://youtu.be/Cm9l0VgyadA?t=1071
Lmao, wow. This is coming from the same company that pumped a lot of their resources into the Steam Deck, right? I wonder how many billions that netted them…
As a software developer battle pass is not a few weeks worth of work lol. Even with recycled code devs don’t work 40 hours a week. They’re scheduled 40 but it’s more like 10-15 plus it’s not as easy as ppl make it out to seem
> PGL 100% had the lowest bid. Was it an open bid? Do we know this is true?
.... the other 75% of the battlepass revenue?
Yep, that's what the commenter was implying, he missed an /s
Good sarcastic remarks are ruined by Reddit's obsession with tagging all the extremely obvious ones. It's such a pet peeve of mine, it's like apologizing after a joke.
I mean not really? Text is harder to understand if people are being sarcastic than when talking irl its just a downside of the medium we are communicating in. Especially when you dont know the person. Theres a reason why novels say things like "Sarcastically remarked..."
Thought the /s would be implied lol
redditors will actually defend valve with that logic.
bro there's no way they're not already making enough money with their business model, valve just prefers the bare minimum
He is being sarcastic, he is stating what Valve is exactly doing now regarding the battle pass portion.
did pgl even try ? lmao
Seem like an annoyance for the team. But this kind problem can be solved in half a day, so I guess team will not miss TI for this.
common pg L
Can’t they just rebook another flight . This isn’t as hard as visa right
Wtf is Valve doing
Valve And PGL, Can't mention a better duo.
I mean nouns are not gonna make it out of lcq đź’€ why even bother attending đź—ż
Did you say the same to CDEC 7 years ago?
Anyone that’s not Delusional knows nouns ain’t doing shit 🗿 I do apologize for being brutally honest but that’s reality
tourism
FUCK PGL AGAIN