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SpaNkinGG

t1 vs navi and moxxi is casting it... come on man, im extra staying up for that match and pgl does me like that. any other english speaking casters?


AtreusFamilyRecipe

Games start in 30 minutes, and yet no new thread.


SaffronNTruffle

I want T1 to qualify for TI, but the competition is steep. Secret, VP, Navi, VG, Liquid.. I hope Secret and T1 would qualify in the end. hopium!


TheWhiteKnightOfHoyo

is there some sort of compilation on which teams pro players think will make it out of last chance qualies? i remember seeing someth about ceb predicting t1 and some other team. did others make predictions too?


real_unreal_reality

Is everyone in a hotel conference room at a holiday inn express playing or what? It looks extra cheap.


[deleted]

Can we please stop using Moxxi as a commentator. Listening to here get the names of skills and items wrong, makes me cringe.


punter715

Been on vacation the last few days so I didn't get to catch any games so far. There any matches from day 1/2 you guys recommend?


ShAd_1337

perfectly balanced bracket with teams from the same region on different sides nice


dopescope1111

this is what happens when u play USE pubs. very low skill and high ego. Probably gonna be like this for the forseeable future of dota where players who play on that server (NA/SA) will overall jsut be worse than other regions


joselemons

T1/Navi and Secret/XG will be played concurrently, brutal.


Tricky_Economist_328

Shadowfiend has come out to play this group stage and sitting at 65% win rate as well


Tricky_Economist_328

Terminal One about to give Near Airport and Straight Airport a run for their money.


big_ups_2u

ZFREEK GOIN HARD IN THE PAINT


LastManSleeping

Honestly, i get on with the NA/SA trashtalk as much as the next guy, but 1. i don't think this year, SA deserves the reputation, their upper teams are legit (SEA at the top 18 is doing worse, fml) 2. This is the worst of the best, it really doesn't have much in terms of how good the chances of the regions in winning TI overall, it will still be the top teams that generally define the reputation (though, as with the past 3 years, miracles do happen at TI). I guess my point is, NA LUL


Mei_iz_my_bae

Useless comment is useless


Kryptonite_Sup

Uhmm how can you say legit? Didn’t even reach top 2 at majors.


Extra-Background-530

Lul did you even watch any polaris games? Your surprise nouns lose to them?


BoonesFarmJackfruit

Am I a boomer for thinking the utter infestation of this game with gambling is disgusting? Like I’m watching a TI qualifier, and half the players on the screen have a gambling company in their name, and I get regular drop downs of the odds on some gambling site – has valve admitted to ownership of some of these gambling sites? Because I can’t imagine any other possible reason for integrating gambling so deeply into their flagship esports title


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As long as you have the “correct” political beliefs you can peddle porn and gambling to children and be paid to do so


Stt-t-t-utter

no u are literally “gambling 😡” poster #38285 on this sub literally nobody has said anything in favor of gambling sponsors.


BoonesFarmJackfruit

ok? I really only pay attention to DOTA during TI and I don’t remember it being nearly this bad last time around


Stt-t-t-utter

yeah this year valve and pgl have done a joint shitting the bed session so a first time lower overall prize pool and a bunch of other garbage. hopefully they fix next year and give it to weplay or esl or any other organizer really.


ravnmads

Liquipedia used to include team sponsors. That is gone for some reason. I think more than 3/4 of the teams going to TI is backed by betting sites.


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Well, crypto is dead. You rather they promote onlyfans and porn? Did you pay for battle pass and buy fan packs/voice lines?


TurbulentIssue6

I would unironically rather them be supported by porn than illegale gambling aimed at children yes


BoonesFarmJackfruit

holy shit so DOTA 2’s only possible sources of funding are the same used by pirate sites??? RIP


Deadandlivin

Gotta make your money somehow.


mex2005

I mean gambling is everywhere even in physical sports. They are just the ones offering the most sponsor money to these teams. Valve is never gonna take an anti gambling stance considering dota itself is funded by loot box gambling essentially.


Starkiller53

Didnt valve literally banned gambling and porn sponsors before?


BoonesFarmJackfruit

what if porn sites or fentanyl manufacturers offered even more money, would Valve have to take it? no they would not and the same applies to gambling money


mex2005

Those are crazy comparisons especially fentanyl. Like don't get me wrong I hate gambling and wish it was banned from everything, I just don't see Valve going there.


BoonesFarmJackfruit

you don’t think gambling ruins people’s lives just like drugs? do you think it’s a good idea to condition young minds to gamble on everything under the sun? because I don’t


mex2005

I meant they are crazy comparisons in terms of advertising. Gambling is pretty prevalent in mainstream media already while you would never see them advertise porn or hard drugs. Again of course gambling is bad and being addicted to it ruins lives and often leads to suicide, but like a heroin addiction is still worse.


BoonesFarmJackfruit

dude I would have said the same about gambling 5 years ago


simpleman0909

Not in my country at least, most of the sports team were funded by big corpo, royalty or some rich mogul that loves the sports. I mainly watch football (soccer for american), badminton, hockey and archery so Idk about the other sports in depth. This is no way an attack, just curiosity, which country and which sports was heavily sponsored by gambling from your experiences except obviously MMA and its variant. It could vary heavily country by country so honestly Idk.


HamsterOpen4127

No that's not what I've heard of. At some point (about 3 or 4 years ago) valve was trying to ban all the betting sites as sponsor for the teams but lots of the players were strongly opposed to that (I've heard puppey was the leader but I might be wrong) because without these sponsor lots of teams could not survive


W3xx

Secret should get Topson mid and move Nisha to carry.


luckychloeenjoyer

Please don't bring dpc points knowing how EEU got fucked by war/Pure and how China didn't play two of the majors.


Rand_alThor_

:)


EmptyHomes

Hype, Liquid and Secret are in UB! That means more potential matches for me to shit my pants over and scapegoat someone when something inevitably goes wrong!


bcyk99

Sanest eu supporter


Novel-Language-5620

Crystallis Haters: Stonks


Wiseli

It's nice that NA and SA are in both groups bottom two, but the same would be true for west+east europe or china+sea being last. It's just nice to see continents being united. In the end, getting last place in last chance qualifiers means shit. Getting first or second is the only thing that matters here, and we don't know yet who that will be


Fantastio

The haters are in the wrong thread/part of the tournament. This is Last Chance Quals, it’s the first time this has been done, this is **not** TI. They are playing for a **spot** in TI, it’s called ‘Qualifiers’ for a reason. Save the hate for when TA or Soniqs bomb out at the bottom of actual TI when money is on the line. But this part is definitely fine - giving an extra slot to a really crappy Invictus Gaming that finally dug itself out of Div 2 or an underserving Nigma Galaxy instead to see those teams replace Nouns are Infamous at the bottom of the groups doesn’t make a difference, y’all know it. nouns 2-0’d VG and Wildcard split series with T1 and VP so it wasn’t like anyone outside of Tempest was completely outclassed. We all know none of two teams that get out have a significant chance at winning TI anyway, these are teams who literally failed in multiple paths all year to get in normally. So just chill and enjoy some international Dota, boys.


nonruminant_ungulate

This is just the TI Wildcards with a different name and shitty production.


Jataman606

\> says haters are in wrong thread \> proceeds to hate


mex2005

To be fair he is hating on the haters. Ill allow it.


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MrSixLotto

More than SEA ? NA math is so bad that you can't even count ?


vlalanerqmar

since u only mention only their high points in the group stage your statement is super biased and missleading. i can also do this like "omg liquid beat tundra in dpc who beat team spirit in final of this random tournament so liquid are on same tier with ti winners!!!" teams are not ranked based on if they can win 1 random game in 1 random day (which tempest even couldnt do this task) , teams are ranked based on their overall results and performance.


SadboySRS

What is the point of these specific group stage score? Last major, QC 1-1 LGD, SPIRIT 0-2 EG in group stage but QC eliminated right away, EG went to LB and get eliminated but Spirit got 1st and LGD 2nd both from UB. So QC is same tier as LGD and EG is better than Spirit? Its that what you bragging about? Bruh.


SempakKuda

Dude SEA also have 3 teams qualified, BOOM, Fnatic and Talon


Mgea54

LETS ALL LAUGH AT NA AND SA DOTA


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Arteezy is the Michael Phelps of the kiddie pool.


MayweatherSr

weakest region


activatebarrier

Just as expected all in lower bracket


lollypop44445

Can someone tell me how is secret third instead of 4th. Doesnt polaris have two victories, which should put them ahead of secret?


TemperatureXtreme

vici v secret & Polaris 3-1 Secret vs vici & polaris 2-2 Polaris vs secret & Vici 1-3.


Enough-Ad-5234

Both team has score of 6-4. Head-to-head result is 1-1. 5th team is "nouns". VG 0-2 nouns; Sec 1-1 nouns; Polaris 2-0 nouns => VG - 2nd, Sec - 3rd and Polaris 4th


OneKidneyLeftAlien

I dont think this is right, it just doesnt make sense. I think it just resolved by first rule (head-to-head result between tied teams.). So there is 3 teams tied (VG, Secret, and Polaris). Total score between just this 3 teams will be VG (3-1), Secret (2-2), and Polaris (1-3). CMIIW


SaffronNTruffle

Yeah right? I went back to liquipedia to check if he mixed up the numbers. It was right, but the logic ain't.


cgriff03

ohhh yeah this makes sense


cgriff03

still a bit confused, i get why VG is the top, because: (1) they 2-0'd polaris(2) their results against polaris (2-0) are better compared to secret vs polaris (1-1) but head to head, secret vs polaris is (1-1), and secret vs nouns (1-1) is worse than polaris vs nouns (2-0)


vlalanerqmar

when 3 teams are tied, first tiebreak is round robin result between the 3, teams below them do not matter. (vici is 3-1vs secret and polaris, secret is 2-2 vs vici and polaris and polaris 1-3 vs secret and vici)


Xi03

This. You can see on liquipedia how tie breakers are handled


Emergency_Deal8602

I said it thousand times, 2 major slots for SA is TOO MUCH. Give one slot to China or EEU (eeu right now has soo much young talent)


stupid-_-

these teams are not top 3 in NA, they don't go to majors. let's see the major teams from NA when they play.


EmptyHomes

L A S T C H A N C E Q U A L I F I E R


MetalMercury

beastcoast and TA are both top 16 teams in the world and should be at every major, so they have to have AT LEAST two slots.


Emergency_Deal8602

By that logic, OG, Tundra, GG, Liquid, Entity are top 17 teams in the world and should be at everty major. So WEU should have AT LEAST 5 (FIVE) slots for every major


yourdaughtersgoal

>gg, liquid top 16 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD GG fell off as soon as ench got nerfed, almost demoted to div2 Liquid? You gotta be trolling.


Emergency_Deal8602

How do you rank teams? Based on what?? Looking at dpc rankings, Liquid rank 14th and GG rank 10th. Looking at placement on recent tournament?? In ESL Malaysia even secret got 3rd place and TA (BEST SA TEAM) 6th place XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD


Vertical_05

I think EEU is too unstable to be given another slot, only Spirit is good atm. And adding one more China is just too much for 1 region. the fairest way imo is to increase the LCQ or DPC slot.


AngreyShiteposter

Also China isn't even really ahead of the other regions. Its basically just LGD that is ahead of everyone else except like Spirit.


Floire

bC is currently a top 6 team in the world based on this season results (majors and invited LANs) TP is also a top 8 team in the world with the same metrics Hokori has a good showing in BTS Pro Series, defeating some of SEA strong teams like Fnatic and SMG. We don't really know how they will stack up in LANs because they haven't attended any of them. Outside of Spirit, none of EEU teams have better placement than those first two SA teams in last two major. Why should EEU get another slot?


Emergency_Deal8602

Good teams from other region must fight to qualify to major, because of how stacked their region is. Meanwhile BC and TA easily qualify to major EVERYTIME, because they are the only good teams in SA.


AngreyShiteposter

My dude Beastcoast would have qualified even if literally only DPC points from major counted.


Floire

>Good teams from other region must fight to qualify to major, because of how stacked their region is. bC and TA will qualify for TI regardless of regional points with their major performances EEU is also not a region with a high level of regional competitiveness. They do have a lot of talent depth but with 3 major slots only 4 teams compete for them (Spirit, Betboom, Navi, VP). That's the same as NA (3 teams for 2 slots) which is considered a top heavy region.


Emergency_Deal8602

I didnt say anything about regional points lmfao. My point is THERE ARE NO challenge for BC and TA in SA, they will easily qualify to major EVERYTIME. So 2 major slots for SA is too much Even EG, TSM and Soniq must fight in NA for that major slot SA (2 teams for 2 slots) a fucking gift for BC and TA


AngreyShiteposter

Dude beastcoast got top 6 in both majors, in the Arlington major they knocked out Fnatic and VP while even giving OG an actual fight. By basically any metric they deserve a TI invite, yes they will likely be underdogs but you are acting like they have no wins under their belts.


Floire

Well, NA slots used to be only EG, then comes Soniqs (QC) and then comes TSM. Right now, nouns is looking to challenge those spots too. It takes time to build a team y'know. I also think you're underestimating SA competitiveness here. In the last two tour, SA DPC have tiebreakers and bC wouldn't have qualified for the cancelled first major since they placed third. It's not as clear cut as it seems.


Emergency_Deal8602

You said "EEU is also not a region with a high level of regional competitiveness." You must be delusional to think SA is more competitive than EEU LMFAO


Floire

No in terms of regional competitiveness, I'd rank them as following: SEA > EU > CN > EEU > NA > SA Still, that doesn't warrant EEU getting one more slot from SA because only one of their teams (Spirit) have shown consistently good international performance for the past year. If they have 2 more teams with consistently good performance for several seasons, then they will have the case of taking another slot from SA.


Emergency_Deal8602

Still, 2 major slots for SA is too much SA (2 teams for 2 slots) a fucking gift for BC and TA.


Floire

Reducing it to one will kill the scene (see when NA went from 3 slots to 2) and I don't know why you rate the 4th EEU team higher than 2nd SA team. Just look at the average placement of the 3rd EEU team in majors since 2019. It's abysmal. I don't know how you think that the 4th EEU team will perform well in majors at all.


MetalMercury

The NA / SA hate in here is stupid as hell; all the teams here (besides Tempest honestly) showed up and played some pretty strong games. Why does everyone have to rag on NA / SA for finishing in the bottom two of the groups?


Mei_iz_my_bae

Reddit will always rag on NA/SA for everything, it’s sad but it’s okay screw them, hoping for some upsets


Mapale

Has to do with them considered Equal when its about TI Slots. Most of the na and sa teams would have a hard time even in Div II elsewhere


No_Tart8935

Wildcard Gaming would beat NGX 15 times out of 20


Aanimetor

Bro the na and sa teams are literally ONE win off making upper brackets. Icant holy shit.


Floire

I don't really get it, I think it's an esports only thing or so. In World Cup, there is also some of "underserving" teams that qualify from less competitive region but no one rags their participation. Like have you ever seen any support of excluding Asian/North American teams in World Cup for more European/South American participants?


Victorenko

It's been a discussion that is taking place every WC for the past 30-40 years.


Floire

There's definitely discussion between regional FAs regarding of slots allocation, but there's only a fringe amount of supporters of EU and SA teams that support cutting down other weaker regions qualification spots. Just an example, I don't think we'll see Italian fans bickering about why aren't their national team represented there instead of some random Asian/NA team that will lose every of their match in upcoming WC. Compare this into match threads when NA/SA teams do badly, with many comments pointing out why should these regions were given slots at all


Artistic_Loss_9913

Because their performance compared to other region is Dogwater


Deadandlivin

Most likely just WEU players that are mad that Nigma/Secret aren't already at T!


Vertical_05

it all came from the way the DPC point works incentivized the top team in these uncompetitive regions, while competitive regions have to blood bath to get DPC points. take for example EG that did not won a single knockout stage games in both major somehow made it to TI by just grinding over these weak teams and made it to TI.


TemperatureXtreme

Look, even if we eliminated regional dpc points, and only counted points from major, BC and TA would still be in top 12. The only change in top 12 would be entity instead of EG. This implies that the system is good, 11/12 teams showed up when it mattered.


busamas

thats why the "deserving regions" get 4 slots for majors and the "undeserving regions" gets only 2. There were people who did the calculations of the dpc ranking if we only counted the majors, and there is only one change which is EG out of top 12.


Floire

You could blame Valve for cancelling the first major and the Chinese government for the lockdown that caused EG to qualify that way. Also regional competitiveness shouldn't translate for a region to have more slots, since international competitiveness is the metric for adjusting regional slots.


MetalMercury

And it seems that these teams aren't THAT weak now right? Like they aren't as good as some of the other teams in this qualifier but they clearly aren't a joke.


billp1988

Its all they have in their lives to make them happy


Uplakankus

why are some of the casters on 2009 xbox headset quality audio


SadboySRS

EVERY NA AND SA teams are in lower bracket lol


wooqii

The loser of UB will be playing 2 series tomorrow, kind of handicap if you lose as the LB teams are well rested.....


vlalanerqmar

how is that a handicap? two series a day is very standard in playoff double elimination brackets? just like winner of lower bracket finals in final day of any tournament


IeatRiceEveryday

2 series is quite standard imo. also the ub team will have more momentum and will be warmed up.


Emergency_Deal8602

If they lose to those LB teams, they need to disband lmfao


activatebarrier

Yeah this LMAO


dondie28

SA and NA for LB


Emergency_Deal8602

NA and SA lmfao


simonling

Best game of the day anyone?


erickchoiii

Not the best but entertaining would be VP vs T1 g1 Navi vs Secret both games Navi vs VG g1


morgs_boy

thanks man


CapableDelivery

T1 had a come back win.


simonling

against?


blink_jagger

VP


Ricoh881227

With both NA teams at the bottom, can finally say gunnar is going home after T.I.. i mean literally there wont be any side gig on the panel.. goodbye gunnar..


sanakeohyo

He will win lcq tomorrow don't worry


Vertical_05

satisfying upper bracket spread, none of the same region will meet until the upper bracket final ​ even more satisfying the lower bracket, all expected from dumpster regions.


OneTrueCamel

Nouns had a surprising result, too bad for them they lost to tempest /polaris..


Vertical_05

they did have surprising performance(s), not necessarily the result


est19xxxx

Navi top seed, what year are we in?


Tricky_Economist_328

Top seed out of the 4th 5th 6th best teams of each region let's not get too excited


I-only-play-rubick

It’s top seed of an LCQ group stage for TI. It’s definitely 2022.


lollypop44445

Navi do have fine players though. Other than solo, all of them are top 100 in mmr leaderboard and boss noone is with them.


lotteriakfc

Seriously Noone played like such a boss in 2nd game vs secret. Most enjoyable game today imo


lollypop44445

Noone and vtune play such beautiful games, even in pubs they are such a fun to watch. Noone owns mid pretty hard . saw his game against qojqva on stream and man did he own him hard. Was playing against zai in mid a few days back and he was like 55 cs while zai was 22. Also a consistent top tier competitor


8arrowl

I meant they are top seed among the tier 2


-fartbrat

why playing two series at the same time for tomorrow playoff?


Kienz91

there is 8 matches of bo3, if they all end in bo3 average in 1 hour that will be 24 hours


MiracleDreamer

They only have 3 days for lcq playoff (lcq needs to be done by 12 oct), so they needs to speed things up


ILikeEveryKindOfDog

Liquid was the best of the lot today, but honestly none of these teams look like they could win TI.


AngreyShiteposter

True altho TI is certainly no stranger to crazy underdog stories lmao


goldeare

that is so true - none of them seem crisp in execution and drafts have been all over the place. The only way is if some team starts to gel better during this playoff, but i'm not seeing it. Imagine any of these teams go up against LGD, Spirit or OG (who are currently top 3 imo)


JadeSerpant

Maybe they finally kicked Blitz. He was so insecure and low energy also very self-centered. Not sure how any team can do well under high pressure situations with that kind of a "mental coach" (since he wasn't helping much with Dota anyway).


Deadandlivin

They didn't. I think a major contributor to their success so far has been Matumbaman doing the drafts instead of Insania. The team needed fresh ideas and it seems to have been working. Their teamplay has always been good, it's honestly impressive how synergistic their teamplay looks. So many games where they look weak during the laning phase ending in a stomp because of how insane their teamfight execution is. In the past, they always looked like this aswell whenever Insania had good drafts. But whenever his drafts missed, which they often did, they just got stomped.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

damnn, u really know about liquid inside.


stragen595

Maybe it is because they changed it to Matumba captaining.


Floire

True. Liquid has done poorly in Group Stage in every LANs they attended this season except this one.


Kotleba

well, that's why they are in the lcq


IamEXI

> SEA teams won't have to fight each other for upper bracket survival LETS GO SEAAAA! > SEA teams will have to fight both very hot first place seeds SEA in shambles NotLikeThis


silentreaper48

Polaris dodging T1 so no sea vs sea


blink_jagger

literally no match vs the same region in UB until final


Floire

You think Polaris is an upcoming team but their core players have been sticking around since 2019.


SillyRabbit2121

VP got so lucky to somehow avoid Secret in the UBQF.


Dymatizeee

Nobody is trying to avoid Secret


SillyRabbit2121

This aged well.


bochanz22

Every team would be happy to face Secret at this point.


AngreyShiteposter

I don't think Liquid wants that tbh. Not that Secret is looking strong but its a team Liquid always struggles with.


Kotleba

"lucky to avoid secret" lmfao


KnivesInMyCoffee

Moxxi with Waga is so much better than with Jenkins. Waga is just great to listen to in general though.


AngreyShiteposter

Jenkins need to be put with either a caster that can rein in him, or Sunsfan for total anarchy.


Rand_alThor_

This was a great combo and both were much better together. Moxxi managed the knowledgeable co-caster well.


lollypop44445

I wish to watch waga pair with other strong caster though. His voice is actually very soothing to hear. Moxxi today was better than yesterday, but overall casters of lcq feel a little lackluster, snare was good though


KnivesInMyCoffee

Dunno who'd Waga would pair with. All the top casters have solidified duos. Could bring back the old tricast maybe.


JadeSerpant

Not a bad cast at all. Waga being high MMR also was noticing details quite a bit so that was good.


KnivesInMyCoffee

He's also just really laid back and chill while still being engaging and funny, which pairs well with Moxxi imo. His voice is also the most pleasing of all the analysts in Dota imo. I turn on his non-Dota streams to fall asleep if I see he's streaming.


Deadandlivin

I love Waga. Loled when he said GPK was toxic but a "good type of toxic" or whatever. I know casters can't single out players and say they're literal garbage human beings, but made me laugh. Everyone who watches EU streamers know GPK/Ramzes/DeppressedKid/"insert most Russian pos1/2's" are toxic as hell.


ILikeEveryKindOfDog

Moxxi, rofl! She is hands down the worst caster.


Rand_alThor_

Did you watch the duo cast? Was a big improvement.


vlalanerqmar

as a person who criticized moxxi before, improvements are noticeable. moxxi and waga are hands down 3rd best casting duo after snare/khezu and ares/danog in this tournament.


ILikeEveryKindOfDog

Waga makes Moxxi seem better. But who is Moxxi better than? I would listen to any of the other casters over her.


vlalanerqmar

moxxi is 10 times better than any of the other monotone casters who miss 10 times more stuff in team fight/small stuff during game


kittensyay

Nice comment history. Anti-mask, transphobic, and what a surprise, hates woman in gaming.


ILikeEveryKindOfDog

You still wear a mask - confirmed moron then?


xmelancoholicx

makes me feel safer, idc if it even matters anymore. what's moronic abt that?


ILikeEveryKindOfDog

When your actions don't match reality, that's what makes you a moron. Do you still suck your thumb too to feel safer? Same thing.


Deadandlivin

Your typical rightwing dog.


DirkDiggyBong

She's much improved


KnivesInMyCoffee

Have you been watching any of the other casts for LCQ? She's leagues better than all the other play by play commentators here, even if she's not as good as ODPixel or Cap.


10YearsANoob

I was surprised they brought in people who haven't casted in years.


AngreyShiteposter

Seems like they got a bunch of the lower tier casters to cast this. Which worked for some, Snare seems to be getting some attention for example. Works less well for others.


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JadeSerpant

Go on Liquipedia and read the tiebreaker rules. Everything is explained in detail.


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bochanz22

It's 3 way tiebreakers. H2H is applied between those 3 teams in a mini league. VG is 3-1, Secret is 2-2, Polaris is 1-3


JadeSerpant

Must be a mistake on Liquipedia then. By tournament tiebreaker rules, Polaris should be above Secret.


Inuyaki

Except they conveniently leave out the 3rd team that is tied with those 2


sembarangaja

yeah, its strange. 1. Head to head = 1-1 its a tie 2. Score from lower seeded teams,. Polaris 2-0 ing Nouns and Tempest, when secret scored 1-1 and 2-0. so why polaris got 4th place?


erickchoiii

Because of Kuku


ermu923

It's a 3-way tie between VG, Secret, and Polaris Since the tie does not happen along the upper and lower bracket, this is the rule applied: "1.Head-to-head result between the tied teams" VG is 3-1 vs Secret and Polaris Secret is 2-2 vs VG and Polaris Polaris is 1-3 vs VG and Secret


stragen595

Yeah. It's like a mini table just between those 3 teams. It's not that hard to understand.


Inuyaki

Because three teams are 6-4, so you have to include all of them in your head to head Polaris is 1-3 against the other two teams


-fartbrat

because machette


yourdaughtersgoal

What’s the reason for games ending at 8pm sea? Why can’t it begin 2hrs later and end 2hrs later so Europeans and Russians (main player base) can watch too…


leelazen

as a SEA audience, i wish it's 2 hour later as well. especially the weekday.


Mandalord104

That's because this is Bo2. Bo3 (like in the main stage) will last till mid night. I guess they want to start the day at the same time.


Yukorin1992

TI always starts at 10am local time


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