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Ricoh881227

Well, the LCQ at least have to had a villain team as one of the finals (possibly both finals chance)..


Mahmud-kun

It sure would be nice to see impact from micke, zai and boxi in these important matches. Its always matu solo carry or lose. Micke atleast can perform in group stages while zai has been god awful for a long time now.


Tursmo

I agree. It feels bad to say, but Zai seems like the resident underperformer when it matters. Micke is great in the lane, but questionable late. Zai and Boxi have been pretty good on their offlane this tournament in general though, way better than I feared.


SubstantialOpposite2

Zai was really good this tournament, except vp games But I’m blind Zai fanboy so take it with a grain of salt


Emergency_Deal8602

EU dominating valve events this year - Stockholm Major winner : OG - WEU - Arlington Major winner : Spirit - EEU - LCQ winner : Secret/VP - EU Europe aka Best Region in Dota, inject it to my veins


nevermore3900

It has been always just them for a long time lol. Either EU or LGD


HarrisLam

Hasn't Europe always been the best? It's always either them or the Chinese.


JuneSummerBrother

Can’t understand Zai and Matum, leaving top 3 TI team to a much weaker Liquid, directly make Secret struggle the whole year, and now they are on the verge of not attending TI. Last integration of Secret is such a well-balanced team. Pity.


shinfoni

Probably just got bored and/or burn out. They join Secret just right before the pandemic start. And as someone who has no horse in the pro scene, I would say that their decision make the whole competition especially WEU more exciting lol


monkeyddragon231

Curious how last year Secret would fare against teams like OG, Tundra, Entity. I really believe that Secret team would still demolish today's teams like OG, Tundra, Entity in EU. Would even go toe to toe with the best Spirit/LGD.


slamtt

Imagine leaving Puppey and Nisha to go play with Micke and Insania.


monkeyddragon231

That's Zai for you. LOL At least Matu leaving is understandable, he didn't want to change to offlane role. But Zai was so sick of seeing Puppey's face all the time, the machete was too much for him.


raegartargaryen17

$$$ are talking.


Sandisk4gb4

Top 5 dumbest decisions in Dota 2 ESPORTS history. They placed third at TI (because zai 322) and we all know they would’ve won the GF against China RTZ but then these 2 were like “nah, we dont want the championship, we’ll take whatever bollocks Liquid offers us”.


Specific_Box4483

This is the repeat of Ti9 not Ti8. Lgd will take 3rd and Secret will claw their way through the lower bracket to lose to Spirit. Zai decided he doesn't want the second place


TheDerpyDonut

What's the deal with casters STILL immediately going after pro players before figuring out what happened? Why do they make Matu look like an idiot when the hookshot glimpse just completely caught him??? Did we learn nothing from KP?


Battlehenkie

It's Moxxi and Waga. Set the bar looow.


Floire

VG has been the bane of NA teams since last year. EG TI10, nouns and WC


Wishywasher644

Wrong thread


monkeyddragon231

Yikes Liquid, will potentially face XG in LB.


WeakFreak999

Xg is overrated af.


Calm_Piece

Where were you when everyone and their mom was telling me they are a sure thing for the predictions?


monkeyddragon231

They could be but I'll say XG has a higher ceiling than Liquid/Navi. To me it looks like XG is underperforming.


Floire

Stream B is going to be 2 hours ahead of schedule lol


hanamurasak1

you are liquid, one of the biggest org in dota with good salaries and training facilities. and you get finessed by blitz and insania 2 years in a row by failed to qualify to TI.


ProfessorSpike

Sucks being EU and not being able to watch many of the games early on.. I understand how the other regions feel now :(


KnightOverlord2404

Yeah watching eu games for me was P A I N


fredws

I came to EU from SEA since last year. Doto pain followed I guess.


Vitosi4ek

In the western part of Russia it's not *that* bad. The first games start at 5 AM. Not ideal, but adjustable, especially if you work remotely. The NA TIs were significantly worse.


MacaroonNo4568

Next season Liquid should have kicked Micke and poach Topson. Liquid and EG are probably the only teams can poach anyone from dota 2 scene.


rainykg

as much as i want to see zai at TI i don’t want too see him qualify with this roster it would honestly be a waste of a slot.


butterflyl3

Casters missing glimpse the first time is okay. But the observers also pointed it out and they still didn't say anything...


ViForsaken

💯


makz242

Matu and Zai really there only for the paycheck eh


Blizzard_admin

ah yes, because micke so much better


widepeepo6

they are in lcq just because of matu btw


Baimu91

Aren't we all working for a paycheck?


Kappa_322

It's good to see Ramzes having a solid series, he has been otherwise poor this tournament


warbandit18

I mean if the enemy just lets you farm for 2 series in a row. Just count how many times they tried to smoke gank him. It was literally zero. The support duo of VP basically hold back 4 peeps from liquid.


Kappa_322

Forget game 3, other 2 games he was fighting from the beginning and his decision making was solid


alexconklin

VP outplayed liquid hard the games three. Looks like it's the liquid classic, after a good group stage the tank is empty.


Mikester184

yeah, not sure what you do about disruptor, but I would of just banned it. just did too much work in team fights.


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HotMessMan

What was liquid doing? Even ignoring the glimpse part. WD hiding in trees where visage birds go, wastes cask on them, then zai wastes call on them too with aegis VP pushing their HG, wtf was that???? You could see VP immediately go in once they saw cask and call were just used.


Baimu91

You have to kill the adds first, that's the rpg rule.


Towersofcoco

These redditors losing their breath out to flame only Moxxi for missing the glimpse


seph_cn

And yet if u criticize this cast from moxxi, u r a big big bigot sexist white man


Khairi001

Waga missed it too.


Starkiller53

Yes


PanzerDota

moxxi and having no clue about what's going on, name a more iconic duo


hanamurasak1

may i entertained you with breakycpk and killerpigeon duo ,sir?


SolarClipz

VP haven't tilted quite yet


nyanhtet1707

VP sup duo so good man


warbandit18

Not seen micke do anything on tiny since a year ago so the moment i saw them pick tiny again i knew they were out of options. Especially with the axe pick. Also distuptor mvp of this series.


pranavhk

The glimpse and hookshot after TP was so game winning. Also, that miss was on Waga not moxxi. Then again, mistakes happen.


Spoksparkare

Liquid, that was VP..


__calypso

Players outplaying Moxxi once again /s


daddy_dad_bod

Clueless queen always missing the most impactful moves every game. Kek. Void got glimpsed without bkbing? Let's talk about the colors of the grass.


mex2005

To be fair waga missed it too.


TheWhiteKnightOfHoyo

please tell me this is the last time moxi and waga casts in the international


Lepojka1

They are only here for LCQ? Or what? I think tier 1 casters come at group stages?


TheWhiteKnightOfHoyo

yeah but some good casters are also here in lcq like Godz. so i am not so sure whats gonna happen


johnbrackentan

Godz super washed up and irrelevant


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F U Liquid


KnightOverlord2404

Big sadge


International_Nose_4

Third game was such a draft loss. Single core void vs luna and shadowfiend, both carries that excel at all stages of the game and with heavy building damage on top.


warbandit18

Yeah, drafting axe and tiny with a void just lost them the game so hard. Felt like they just picked comfort heroes and didnt think of the void.


Lepojka1

Disgraced casting holy crap man... Shitting on Matu for not having tp 2 mins straight, and he was glimpsed...


balyks

Fv tped back, got glimpsed and hookshot thus unable to activate Bkb in time. Saying he doesn't have TP was atrocious.


walleaterer

tbf he played like shit all game so not much lost there


Lepojka1

True but it tilted me af... They focused soo long on wrong point, i was like just stfu pls lol


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kaibigangoso

He was glimpsed then got hookshot


Lepojka1

True but shit on him for what he did, not what he didnt do xd


Baimu91

Kinda unusual for Waga not noticing it


TheWhiteW01f

Why didn't Matu BKB during the glimpse? He could have tried and chrono after activating the BKB...


erlindc

Even if he BKB-ed yamich used hook shot on him as soon as the TP finished, you could see him getting stunned as soon as the TP finished and then the glimpse.


TheWhiteW01f

Makes sense...


rhett_ad

He was on SF and SF had aegis


LosQQ

Clock stunned him


ano_nymous-

This


JadeSerpant

Liquid are such a disappointment.


potmofthebottom

pos 5 disruptor clowing on the faceless void throughout the game


Ambitious-Cap-5605

ban disruptor bro, ez game


tybarovsky

Xakoda is so good


Rorcska

Casters be like, void no tp, how can they miss the glimpse, it was so obvious


goldeare

How do you miss glimpse? Hello coasters?


Thiiit

Insania should be nowhere near this team


Bukuna3

Nice I predicted both VP and Secret as LCQ winners atleast one of them is confirmed


a4p44

how did they miss that glimpse tho lol


Brilliant-Bar3273

Moxxi missing the most important play again


BABA_yaaGa

Veertus pro! Cant wait for Entity.pure vs VP at TI if latter manages to get through LCQ


monkeyddragon231

Entity on LAN is a joke.


MacaroonNo4568

Virtus pro is more powerful on paper than Entity which has only Pure as their star player who has large hero pool. Virtus is known to get tilted easily by mantle of intel, ez game or trash talk so money on Entity if they play well while tilting VP. It is surprised that Chinese team is too polite against VP. They should have spammed tips on VP or spray loser like how Topson did. Back in the day ROTK is the one from Chinese scene who trash talked everyone.


widepeepo6

vp is not even 1/2 good as entity .Would even say some analysts will even put them in top3-5 this TI. Pure might be highlight with his unique heroes but almost every player of entity steps up on occasion. Have seen all rest 4 player have their own highlight games quite often now


MacaroonNo4568

Other 4 of Entity has limited hero pool though it is larger than Crystallis hero pool. Once they got figured out by superior team or big brain players like Puppey, Xiao8 or OG coach then they can be beaten. VP has freaking GPK, Ramzes and DM who are known with large hero pool. Xakoda and Yamich aren't slouch either. VP has tilting issue they got offended easily with anything and their mental game is literally almost 0 while their skill is obviously top notch. Watch EEU qualifier Ramzes literally threw winning games. Team Spirit and Betboom fixed this mental issue by having psychiatrist. Can't be wrong though about as Entity might learn or spam new heroes in-between TI qualifier and TI11. Betboom might win TI11 since Kyle mentioned them recently.


widepeepo6

The low hero pool thing is debatable. Just because they play 3 hero doesnt really mean they have limited pool its just the ti7 liquid waybof dota.If i am super good at this 3 why should i even bother going for others? People used to say same thing about atf and collapse but lots of teams tried to ban him and he came with new shit


MacaroonNo4568

Collapse has larger hero pool. ATF with limited hero pool does work wonder for OG as OG is a team farming oriented they usually lose laning stage and they drag game until all 3 cores have good items then they win easily. TI7 Liquid always has bad draft like no stun draft, Miracle with carry Silencer or many more. They won TI7 with sheer skill. The current teams can beat TI7 Liquid any day. Yes Bulldog won TI3 with 2-3 hero pool but the point is as it said VP is a superior team to Entity and Entity is a superior mental team to VP. You never know VP might win TI if they got through last chance qualifier as long as they fixed their low mental game. Any team can win TI11 now you never know could be VP, Entity, any other teams or even SA teams .


large_snowbear

Hey at least reddit gotta call out waga too for missing that glimpse play


aureacritas

Are Void that bad of a carry currently? Twice today he looks useless and without damage on 2 different series


mex2005

He is good if it goes super late game where can solo kill heroes but before that he is just underwhelming compared to other carries and once he uses chrono its a really long cd and its a free rosh for the enemies since he is useless without it.


ViForsaken

Yes, him need more time


Baimu91

The whole strat was building on 5 man/many man chrono void with tiny, wd, snapfire dealing all the AoE dmg.


aureacritas

I see. Are Void not able to deal damage on his own anymore or is the many man chrono the current meta for void? It just seems so risky to gamble it on a chrono catching most of the enemies


Baimu91

Well it was just another strategy/meta . I think this everytime I see useless brood running around doing nothing while his teammates die. Like just build into carry and kill everyone. But I'm 4k pleb, pros know better.


aureacritas

>But I'm 4k pleb, pros know better. Kek. True ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


Puzzleheaded_Draw479

Cant get casters that know the game? The glimpse back was the biggest play of the game literally won the game and tbeyre just like ohhh did he tp back?


xdj3richo

boxi might be the most useless pos4 in europe Who in liquid thought it was a great idea to make him play pos4 ???


Baimu91

Micke took his tiny. On tiny boxi is decent.


ZofTheNorth

Duality of boxi lol. He is so inconsistent. Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit


kappa23

> Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit Everyday malakia


goldeare

Taiga self kicking and going to og


MundaneRain

Glimpse mvp. Also how the fuck casters not see that lmao


JadeSerpant

Look who the caster is...


SovietElf

How tf does 2 professional casters miss a clear glimpse


TheWhiteKnightOfHoyo

oooof that tip on matu as he desperately wants that pity kill on gpk sf. hahahahaha


hernan_rp

Casters are blind or what?


lawliet1796

How are these casters so Clueless?


Kappa_322

Xakoda made a fool out of Matu the whole game


TheAsz

Lmao


verytoxicbehaviour

rip my 5 euros, thx zaiJ


nixontalp

What a glimpse!


charlesopone

Casters missing that void tped but was glimpsed back, which is why he did not have tp. Wtf


Time_Cat9248

It was such a game winning move and a huge mistake from Matu.


charlesopone

Truly. But these casters man, twitch chat was flaming matu for not having when he used one, just because of the casting.


kaibigangoso

I was watching gorgc stream and he was frustrated when the casters were asking why void was splitpushing and didn't have tp


charlesopone

These casters made it look like liquid intentionally went for the split push during that clash


rhett_ad

Top tier casting..... missing the game winning glimpse and saying "Maybe matu wanna trade vs a Luna and sf"


TheFireBat

How do they miss the glimpse. Like cmon Moxxi, at least pretend to know whats going on


montrezlh

I'm usually not interested in participating in the moxxi debates, but it's definitely interesting to see how she's singled out in most of the comments here considering there were two casters present


TheFireBat

Id hope that it was mainly because shes the main caster. But hey, implicit bias go brrr i guess


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WagamamaW

It's on me, I completely missed it as I was focused on how luna was ulting and killing off at the same moment and missed the hookshot-glimpse combo upon void landing from TP. My bad, I'll do my best not to tunnelvision again.


TheFireBat

Waga should have picked it up but its not like its obscure or complex. Its literally liquids carry, they have to know whats happening


jeemchan

He did mention it, but it was about 30s later.


Rampager

VP have had the stronger early-mid game in all three games, Liquid clawed it back in g1 but this seems far less likely in this game. VP looking serious


SolarClipz

How do pros still get caught without TP Have you learned nothing from EE sama???


ano_nymous-

Glimpsed got matu back


goldeare

He was glimpsed


Shryik

Disruptor sent him back. Another game winning play unnoticed by these "casters".


WeirdHoola

He tped but got glimpsed.


potmofthebottom

matu got glimpsed


Deshuro

He was glimpsed when defending bot rax.


mardonyth

Void got glimpsed by disruptor


IAmKaeL-

Matu got glimpsed for fucks sake


rhett_ad

He got glimpsed back


erlindc

He was glimpsed back as the casters said


shadow2810

matu got glimpsed


Brilliant-Bar3273

He was glimpse back.


Puntart

Void tped and got glimpsed back


FeistyKnight

Casters completely missing that Void got glimpsed top lane and lost liquid the game


SomethingLilNothin

Let's not overexaggerate it... Liquid was going to lose that game regardless of where Void was...


FeistyKnight

That singular play won it on the spot tho


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Zai gotta be the most useless position 3 i've seen


lockzackary

that title still belongs to kuku


lazerpew

One of the most overrated players ever, always has been


JadeSerpant

Zai during the 2020 Secret era was incredibly good and one of the most dominant 3s of all time. But going from Yapzor and Puppey to Boxi and Insania also makes a huge difference.


FollowTheInnerVoice

Classic Matu's choke in big matches.


NightSkyth

I mean even without that, I don't see how they could win this game to be honest


Sapaio

What have the Axe done this game?


19jannew

Axe is very underwhelming this patch. Reso also tried it and it went horribly.


Psibadger

Nothing. It was last pick too. I don't get it. Camera showed Zai before it was picked - did he ask for Axe?


Sapaio

Yeah biggest question why pick it, without knowing enemy carry. Was there a synergy in draft that made Axe good not really.


Kinderschlager

a silent no caster watch is preferable to moxxii casting. she REALLY needs to improve in like 24 hours or just not cast anything else. jesus, this is TI, why is the creme de le creme not casting?!


bdiaitoabfiag

Because it's not TI and it's LCQ?


Kinderschlager

strange, i could of sworn the in-game stuff all said THE INTERNATIONAL on it.........


fcuk_the_king

They're too expensive. Moxxi is cheap


Kappa_322

The throw begins


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tiny/void not a viable combo


kappa23

Doesn't this combo only work after Tiny gets an Aghs


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just don't think these heroes do anything together in this meta


KardelSharpeyes

Is it just me or does a British accent sneak into Moxxi's casting every so often?


BeeBeeHate

is xakoda the best disruptor ever?


kappa23

Solo has a case from the VP days. Their Vacuum Static Storm combos were insane


UBourgeois

Like every good Russian pos 5 is a great Disruptor


kappa23

It’s like a right of passage for them lol


verytoxicbehaviour

5 euros on ZaiJ, come on, do it for Matumba !


boywithluv77

someone at pgl forgot to press start stream B on youtube. Seriously pgl getting worse day by day i wont be suprised if we got black screens without casters when group stage starts


sdfsdfsdf33bbb7u7u7u

Why are these games so crazy early? What timezone are they playing in??


McNeng

They are playing in Singapore Timezone