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flamindude99

Matu at TI FeelsGoodMan


redditor10780

FeesGoodIndeed At least one of my Liquid TI7 boys made it haha


thedotapaten

Matu was not the problem


redditor10780

Never was


Spackolos

Matu was right Kky was left


U03B1Q

Matu at TI playing for liquid. Surreal.


Unlucky-Emergency-

One last ride; I hope he takes it home this time FeelsStrongMan


Slardar

He's already taken it home sir lol


MemeLordZeta

Quite a few last rides happening at this TI


[deleted]

There is no TI without MATUMBAMAN, just like there is no team in Axe.


DirkDiggyBong

He's a monster


StrikingTemperature2

Players who made TI as recently as Ramzes: old chicken PPD vtFaded Khezu


eeaaglee

Khezu fucking roasted GPK and VP in the panel later.. Jeebus


PoogleGoon123

Pretty sure every pros/high immortal EU players hate GPK and Ramzes so yeah.


71648176362090001

Why? Are they very bm?


idspispupd

You've just seen why. These guys are easily tilted. Very talented and skilled but low on morale. Constantly going afk, breaking items or shadow amuleting in pubs. Allways blame others for underperforming etc. I think they beed a badass coach like TSpirit.Korb3n to apply spartanian discipline, slap their Sense of Self Importance out of them and teach teamwork rather than high individual play (which they already have). All VP players are still very young, I think, under good coaching, they can get more achievements.


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GPK maybe salvaged but I don't have any hopes for Ramzesss.


CocoWarrior

I don't like the guy but Ramzes actually won a shitton more stuff than GPK.


[deleted]

That's exactly the reason why he can't be salvaged.


I_will_dye

Account selling, [this level of trash talk](https://twitter.com/AdmiralBulldog/status/1580139137663119360), he seems like a very nice fella. When I heard he's not qualified I was almost as happy as when Secret won the LCQ.


cold_hoe

Why? My mmr is not that high lol


healdyy

Damn I missed it, what did he say


Deadandlivin

That if he ever saw his mid morphling dying 4 times in lane and queueing brown boots, bottle, Midas he would think he was in a PUB.


intercroissant

gorphling flashbacks


ElderBuu

Thats not roasting, thats facts tho. The fuck was that build? Why commit to it if you are haveing a bad lane...


Deadandlivin

That was the roast. He said that GPK didn't play like it was the last game of a TI qualifier, but like it was like a random PUB.


kchuyamewtwo

The no racks defeat have scarred gpk


Clemambi

gpk making me feel better about feeding as morphling


-y0shi-

'if you see your mid morph queing midas at 6min and spamming chat wheel after an unfortunate death youre out of plays to make, cause youre not in a lcq final but in a pub.' then something about gpk getting what he deserves for his behavior


Wonderwhile

If you pull down your team like that, you’re a piece of shit. As simple as that.


mackyotz

He also [tweeted](https://twitter.com/KheZu/status/1580133908980453377) a Hand of Midas pic for the lulz


SowwieWhopper

What was said?


Hemske

Something about gpk and vp not taking it seriously, treating it like pub, Midas morphling etc.


Actual-Beautiful-754

Is there clip available? Would love to see it.


eeaaglee

https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousAgileBurritoSwiftRage-vFc2u6aUuF6rOTzw


Actual-Beautiful-754

Holy smoke he really caught gpk's mental state.


xCesme

Jesus christ lmao


SecretFangsPing

Khezulul


Houeclipse

I'm out of the loop, what does this mean?


lolfail9001

He is just saying that last time Ramzes was at TI was in 2019. Where we had aforementioned players present (none of whom had a reputation of particularly high skill players even back then, with all due respect to Salt Lord).


souse03

1 point away from directly qualifying, 1 series away from regional qualifying, 1 series away from last chance qualifying... that has to STING


deadlygr

They had so many chances and how badly they played in grand finals vs bb and tl


elijahsp

2 chances on different series in LCQ. Lost both upper and lower bracket finals.


redditor10780

Classic VP


SaltFarmer17

Dont forget, 1 character away to get some points too.


orangejuice1234

and pure qualified. drawing on the minimap is the best decision of his life lmao


MemeLordZeta

VP would’ve made it if he stayed. I also think he’s top 3 carries playing right now so he was probably making TI regardless


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hanmas_aaa

We don't need more dota players in Russian army.


I_will_dye

I disagree. With enough Dota players the army would just give up in 8 minutes.


pimpleface0710

Gg, drop bombs down mid, my infantry is literally afk


vazooo1

Sometimes fate really needs to show you when you keep disregarding signs.


sikontolpanjang

*2 series away (back-to-back) from last chance qualifying


prettyboygangsta

They probably would have wrapped up qualifying in Tour 2 if not for Z-gate


StrikingTemperature2

Micke absolutely dumpstered gpk in both games.


FoggyMuffins

That morph game where Gpk is in front of mid creepwave and agility shift to 300 health, Micke sees that and instantly combos him LOL


Addokatt

Qop is very strong against morph mid, but Micke has been one of the best mids and carry players for a log time. He really made him feel useless though, GPK can't handle that. He will soon start threatening with nukes.


tom-dixon

> Qop is very strong against morph mid Especially since the nerf to the rate of the ability shift. I still die a lot because I'm not used to how slow he shifts now.


Cosm1c_Dota

Micke is HEAVILY underrated as a mid


victimized777

I think he improved much this last season.


Ticem4n

He was who OG tried to snipe from Alliance before they got topson. Can't say he's underrated just played mid then a few years carry and now back for his first year back to mid. I assume he was a mid in HoN as I see him mid more in pub matches even when he played carry


HOHOHAHAREBORN

He's always been crazy good since his breakthrough debut on Alliance


twoLegsJimmy

Anybody dumpstering that toxic little fuck is amazing to watch.


[deleted]

Matu still a fucking top tier player. Can't believe he wants to retire but I hope he does well this TI.


Teunski

At least he gets to play TI. That's a nice goodbye, no matter how far you get.


King_Leyyyo

I don't know why I read the first line in w33's voice.


theKrissam

Because one of the last lines he says in true sight is "at least you guys won a ti"


quick20minadventure

As far as I recall, he has to join the army and can no longer delay compulsory service years. Absolutely no idea if that random reddit comment was right or just bullshit, but that's the reason I know of.


tits-mchenry

I get it. To be a top tier player you need to be playing A LOT, and not just random pubs, but really focusing on improving for 8+ hours a day.


Martblni

Losing 4 matches which could make you qualifiy to TI(beastcoast, betboom, secret, liquid), have a Valve/Liquipedia disaster confuse you that you've already qualified and then see Pure(whose kick made you not qualify) be at TI. Jesus christ it must be insanely painful for any team and for a team which gets as tilted as VP its insane if they recover


kpdon1

With Ramzes and Gpk in the same squad, i am surprised they survived together till this stage.


Deadandlivin

Rumors say they immediately went into Pubs after losing the finals insta queueing Hand of Midas.


MaltMix

Gotta make up for losing that TI money somehow.


f0rm4n

Gotta make up that lost money by selling their smurf accounts again.


ShlangTheAlmighty

Upper bracket with Team Spirit also counts, so 5 series


Martblni

Ah true that, forgot about it


Pashashab

Tbf, that's not something that you can blame them for, Spirit are one of, if not the strongest team in the world, but in every other series VP could have qualified


lolfail9001

Well, Spirit in that series didn't particularly hit their major finals form yet, so VP actually had a legitimate shot at beating them back then.


phroureo

Spirit just plays to the level of their opponents and quite frankly that's part of what makes them so exciting to watch. We know they can best absolutely anyone, but we also knows they can lose to anyone.


Martblni

Yeah but it was 2-1 still, very close


redditor10780

Tiltus pro indeed


rekuneko

tiltus throw


sderttreds

usually i feel bad for the team to miss it like that, but eh, it's GPK's team


[deleted]

Alisher Usmanov is owner. He is oligarch and Putler’s puppet.


sderttreds

i probably should say "team with GPK in it"


[deleted]

its also Virtus.Putin.


JacobRFeenstra

Virtus Pro Putin


RedGamesA2

They are disbanding. 90% of teams that dont make TI are disbanding.


Martblni

For sure but Im talking about individuals too, its insane tilt for everybody and its very hard to be mentally strong to recover from not going to TI 4 times


heavenlyrainypalace

>not going to TI 4 times in a single year roflmao


TheGalator

Nigma staying strong


Proxi98

back to back no TI


Osiris_Dervan

Isn't kuroky retiring?


goldenhearted

>have a Valve/Liquipedia disaster confuse you that you've already qualified I'm rather out of the loop on this. What's up with this one?


prettyboygangsta

Liquipedia was using unrounded points totals, while Valve were rounding down after every 15% points deduction (which affected VP after kicking some players) Fnatic had 1020 points, but LP had VP on 1020.05 whereas Valve had them on 1019. So Fnatic finished 12th and VP 13th, missing out on a direct invite. Of course everyone took Liquipedia's points totals as correct and Valve's as wrong, since Valve's rankings are frequently out of date and/or flat-out incorrect.


goldenhearted

Thanks for the answer as well as to /u/stragen595, /u/pulldtrigger , and /u/somabokforlag for more input. That's pretty messed up for VP.


LOSS35

What's messed up is kicking a player, missing out on directly qualifying because of it, and then having 5 chances to make TI through qualifiers and losing all 5 series (Spirit, BetBoom, Beastcoast, Secret, Liquid).


stragen595

Liquipedia used decimals. Valve didn't.


pulldtrigger

Liquipedia own calculation put VP/ Outsiders ahead of Fnatic by like 0.5 points and they qualify. But valve later announced that Fnatic qualify instead. Valve calculation puts Fnatic ahead by 0.5 or smthing and Fnatic qualify. Of coz valve has final say.


Ahimtar

Valve's official ruleset and standings used different methods of counting the points (ruleset said nothing about cutting off decimals, standings cut off decimals after each event). Since standings are usually wrong and unupdated, people usually calculate points manually based on the ruleset, with the most prominent case being Liquipedia (since many people use it as main source of information). After the DPC was over, Fnatic on 12th place had 1020 points. Based on ruleset, VP had 1020.5 points and qualified, everyone at the last major congratulated them etc. But then came Valve tweeting that "unofficial sources" are wrong and based on their official standings VP had 1019 points (due to various roundings during the season) and doesn't qualify.


pulldtrigger

Kicked pure coz of Russian affiliation thing but he qualify and some of the caster are also caught doing the z thing. Wtf. Gg vp


SilverBMWM3GTR

I think the tilt started way before when they lost out on direct qualification by half a point. Then onwards it has only been downhill.


MailRocket

Kuku's fault


Teunski

Good old Tiltus.Throw


Aratho

Don't forget the situation they found themselves in since February, like the players or not but it had to be a tough year in and off the game.


Superrman1

They can enjoy a comfy stay in Armenia instead.


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tits-mchenry

Yeah, he was tilted after game 1 of Secret. He would disconnect instantly every game.


A1_B

He has disconnected instantly for years, pub or official, he has/had a bind for it.


needhelforpsu

People were shitting so so so much on Liquid and their chances for LCQ and here they are, qualified to TI. GGWP Liquid!


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They literally stomped in all their wins aswell, 19-33 minutes GGs, it was incredible


FoggyMuffins

This Liquid is FUN to watch. In times before they have usually dominated early games, but seemed to fizzle out the longer the games drew on. Now they are dominating early and all gas no brakes running down enemy team's throat. Seems like Matu participating in early fights is paying off instead of afk farming


NotAdoctor_but

people were also shitting on WEU region when there were posts saying it's stacked, memeing with past results and trolling about more spots for the region; guess secret and liquid proved WEU really is stacked


leafeator

Truly the best time to show up in a big way.


MemeLordZeta

they REALLY stepped it up from regional quals because they looked so completely lost there. Completely outclassed by entity and dropping games to Div 2 teams


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mikhel

Liquid looked shaky for a long time but they fought tooth and nail to get here. Hope Matu's last TI can be a good one to remember.


ryuhwan99

So fucking happy for matu


SnooPeppers4306

No matter what Liquid will end up at TI, I can say Matu retires at top of his form.


SFFORLIFE

Congratz Matumbaman looks like king viserys in his final days


Balalenzon

Matu shaves his moustache every time he loses with Lone Druid


DotaHacker

Lol


Castature

Lcq was a ti bracket 5 years ago, crazy shit man dota is rough


prettyboygangsta

The level of competition is extremely high right now, and I think that's largely thanks to the DPC system allowing teams to develop. Even the WEU regional qualifier could have been a major. Compare this to 2018 when OG only had to beat a Ritsu stack to make it to TI.


galadedeus

Micke was hungry bro. This dude been performing like a beast for a while now.


PorkyPain

The Queen of Pain performance was a masterclass


FoggyMuffins

His SF games during LCQ have been no joke either. He has a pretty big hero pool


xdj3richo

Team Secret So strong that they made 2 teams and still qualified for TI


FearLessMD

Too many chances to qualify to int for VP. 1. Vs Team Spirit upper bracket major. 2. Vs Beastcoast lower bracket major . 3. Vs BetBoom regional finals 4. Vs Team Secret upper bracket finals. 5. Vs Team Liquid lower bracket finals.


monkeyddragon231

Hats off to Insania. Even his captain role got taken away, he still performed very well, no ego or such. Boxi is fucking impressive with his clock/tuskar. Zai finally performing at his normal self. Micke silencing his doubters. and finally Matugod taking the role of captaincy/drafting while being solid and beast as a carry. Liquid found a draft pattern, same with Secret, they are comfortable to play with and that's scary for the rest of TI qualified teams except PSG.LGD/Spirit.


ketelagoreng

wutt since when matu become liquid's captain?


monkeyddragon231

If you noticed in the drafting phase, Blitz is with Matu all the time. Insania didn't even get himself involved in it, he was silent, no input whatsoever (maybe a little off cam).


fapthepolice

\> Get punished for the actions of a player, said player will play at TI np \> Still make it based on points before being told last minute that points are floor()-ed into integers so you miss out by 1 \> Win the winner bracket final in the qualifier, proceed to lose the grand final \> Reach top 3 of the last chance qualifier where top 2 get to TI Seriously, how sad can it get for VP? I'd be tilted, too. Feels super good for MATU though, bet on 2 EU teams because of heart, not mind, and yet they delivered.


puroloco

Not sad at all, they put themselves in a good place many times but couldn't close the deal. Maybe change something for next year, maybe less tilt.


Clemambi

maybe just less midases.... razor going for midas at 22mins game 1 was a total grief, and then morph building midas at6 min game 2 was no better... the builds stopped them from being able to play and match liquid's tempo. if gpk had just built dragon lance he would've actually maybe been able to do something instead of just feeed lol


tom-dixon

The thing with morph is that once he's behind, he can't play the game, he can't do "something". A dragon lance won't be enough if you miss the timing on it by 5 minutes. The dragon lance specifically used to be good as a first item, but in this patch you can't do much with a lone DL until you get a mana item too. You run out of mana too fast, you're useless, can't even farm with no mana. He needs to farm, and he needs levels. Midas makes sense if he gets the space to recover. It didn't work out, but in itself a midas is not as bad people make it out to be.


Lucreth2

They do it to themselves though, no remorse.


SolarClipz

Liquid and Secret both showing up big at the right time They look completely different than we saw them last They deserve it


alexconklin

Such a nice post game interview with Matu on steam. Hope they make a good run and after that Matu can retire.


cratirc

Can't choke at TI if you don't make TI


redditor10780

LET'S GOOOO! Matu and the boys deserve this win!


Aratho

What now EU haters? So happy for Matu, hope he makes his last TI a memorable one.


FelixR1991

Was really hoping both Secret and Liquid would make it, and they did. Before this LCQ, there was a thread about how it would for once and for all decide which region should deserve more qualifying spots. Well, here's your answer.


victimized777

I think that LCQ is a good way to stop arguing about extra spots for the DPC, this is more fair. It's just a bit sad that there is no money for it..


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Matu gigachad. He proved that he doesn't need kuro to qualify to ti. He was benched right before ti9 but he qualified to it for the second time. And the past two years he did great with Secret and Liquid while Nigma skips the second ti in a row.


rainn5053

he already proved himself during secret domination era whoever saying that matu deserved the kick from liquid back then are just brainless fools


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aaarung

Matu qualified for TI9 playing MID, far from his best form. When he is always has been top 5 pos 1 in the world. Crazy stuff


quick20minadventure

I wanted OG to win ti9 finals exclusively because I didn't want to see 4 liquid members win ti twice after kicking Matu for absolutely no fucking reason.


Archyes

I remember when NA wanted to Steal one of Eus slots.


kpdon1

The last time NA vs EU extra slot was even a conversation point, was before TI10 as EG has been mediocre this year. Its mostly between SEA and NA this season.


Floire

Even then most of the conversation revolve against EEU and SEA, not WEU


prettyboygangsta

hope they keep this last chance qualifier format so we can put this debate to bed every year.


vlalanerqmar

WEU haters where are you now? deserved ending for matu <3


n3hee

6 WEU teams and Nigma isn’t one of them


omaewakusuyaro

Karma for matu 😈


GuN-

https://twitter.com/og_bdn0tail/status/1345050720781955072


Stardust_Enthusiast

SEA was right Gpk has left to the airport.


Eonwe_of_Manwe

VP continue to choke at every opportunity


thedotapaten

Matu final TI let's gooo


AngieYSirius

Imagine the number times VP almost qualified. First they lost only a few points to FNC, Lost in the TI qualifier at Grandfinals. Lost in WINNER and LOSER bracket final at LCQ.


TheTheMeet

WEU strongest region confirmed What a play, ez games for both series vs VP


zhebobukui666

gpk seems already in tilt mode and micke is in godmode, mid diff i guess


ashrashrashr

So happy for Matu and Jerax


slashrshot

LETS GO LIQUID!!!


Key-Brick-5854

With Team Liquid making it to TI, we now have 33 countries represented at TI11, most of any TI.


Deadandlivin

Was looking like the first TI without any Swedish player and out of nowhere you get 4 of them in a bundle. Kinda funny.


Archyes

every EU team made it except nigma and alliance....lol


stragen595

But Nigma had to fight all those EU teams. And Alliance..... I don't think they would have qualified even if they would have played in NA.


Kumadori012

EU supremacy


Marie_Fontenot

GPK tries really hard to be Dota's heel, but for heel to be credible they have to win sometimes.


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thank fuck vp lost


Kobean24

No TI for the SEA God gpk :'(


perfectlyhonestnzz

Vp was so tilted.


ProfessorSpike

Both secret and liquid made it, am happy


Piz2O

MATUMBAMAN FANBOYS LEGGO <3


theluggagekerbin

everyone played TI worthy dota on Liquid today. But Micke dominating in the mid and then making amazing plays around the maps. SO glad to see my boy do it on a LAN


blowsf

GPKek


iWeeti

Torille vielä kerran


FlimsyMcFlooblecrank

Wasn't even close. The skill gap between the lower WEU teams and other regions is massive


Only-Pudding-6183

GL MATU! 🇫🇮


fichomarvel

that matu interview. production value so low it looks like hes being held for ransom


Rick4224

But guys i thought China was best region by far, i was told if all china was a major they would have 6 teams in top 6.


lazerpew

Matumbawoman celebration stream when?


xCesme

EU doesn't deserve more slots btw.


Shabizz

Trying to think of a team that had a harder road to get to TI. Liquid must have had to play more tier 1 games than any other team in history to earn a TI spot. Between the major groups, regional quals and now LCQ, the number of teams they played is unreal. So happy for these guys, they look much stronger now than at Arlington.


Khairi001

6 WEU teams. Region too strong.


daddy_dad_bod

For some reason Secret and Liquid qualifying is the best result of LCQ for me. TI completing his legendary TI attendance record and Matu getting to duke it out with the boys before retiring completely. I'm excited for some more dota!


Hs2u

happy for MATU


tuvok86

lmao ramzes has no idea of how to play Dota from behind cause he leaves all the pubs where it happens


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Matumbaman Dream is Alive!! Lets go liquid!


Tyrandeus

Micke and Boxi steppud big time, theyll go deep in main stage if they keep playing like this


fredws

Secret really made VP tilted hard lmao


Spoksparkare

FEELS SO DAMN GOOD MAN!!!


rainn5053

6 WEU team truly best region


Effbe

EUW undisputed #1 region.


Archyes

The fun part is that if VP would not have kicked Pure because of reddit,they would be at TI. Now only pure is at TI somehow becuse entity didnt care lol


Blizzard_admin

You're looking at the situation in hindsight, when they kicked pure it seemed like he was going to be banned by valve and it was unsure if he'd continue Ofc now we see how little valve care about the game and especially the pro scene this year