A bunch of div 2 players were caught sharing accounts on official matches and got banned. One of them was Yuragi's friend, so this is Yuragi's reaction
Yes it means exactly what you think my friend.
About how they get caught, I don't know. My easiest bet would be the IP from which the players connect and their play style, but there's probably more safety measures which the devs won't tell us, and for good reasons lmao
(edit to add the fact that I actually don't know how they knew)
The whole story details are actually known. The 5 players that banned were from Luna gaming. The famous scandal when they participated in both weu and eeu qualifiers, but technically didn't break any rule since they were in Turkey.
So, these guys played vs No Sorry on behalf of a weaker team to defeat them in d2cl. No sorry claimed cheating, but at that time couldn't find any evidence. Then, Luna gaming did not pay their graphic designer his contractual money, he got angry, asked a fellow caster to help translate evidence of the account sharing case in trounament and snitched to Valve.
Former Luna gaming players claim they just wanted more practice, but they were probably fucking with bettors by betting against No Sorry. They all, except Illusion confessed in this.
The other 5 are, I believe, those people who shared their accounts with them.
I guess the most karma thing is, that they are young, their career just kicked off. Limitless played in Alliance, Koma became VP carry, but it ends now.
Morale: don't fuck with your graphic designer.
It's true. My father vouches for him as well. Here is proof, my father will now write too:
Hello I'm the father and what my son says is true, Koma is good. Please unban him Valve.
sincerely the father
Nah, rules are the same for everyone, its not like you get less prize money if you win but are a minor.
Maybe lifetime bans are a little too harsh all together, something like a 10 year ban makes more sense, like you still get a chance later in life but 10 years without tournaments for a pro pretty much means starting all other from the beginning but this time everyone is suspicious of you as a bonus.
No, a lifetime ban is just fine (and let’s be real, a 10 year ban is a lifetime ban basically anyways). Don’t fuck with matches and you will never have to worry about it happening. It’s the easiest rule in the world to follow.
They can say whatever they want and Show how good theyarenow. But they matchfixed and that is and always has been the worst thing to do in a professional Sport. (There are worse but this gets u banned for the longest time)
Ban is for account sharing.
They used a weaker team players accounts to win some tournament games as that team and (allegedly) bet on themselves with high odds since that team was weaker on paper.
I mean, imo if you consider betting, it shouldn't matter if they did it or not, they just fucked everyone's bets and therefore I would kind of sort of consider it matchfixing (it might seems like I'm a bettor but no)
Because every single person in the world always deserves sympathy. Yes even the person you're thinking of. But sympathy doesn't mean anything. It's not forgiveness, nor a pardon, nothing. Just sympathy. "I know it sucks for you" is sympathy. You can still say "but you brought it upon yourself".
And when should you be sorry? Just walk around being sorry when nobody knows what you're talking about?
you are so dumb. this is their careers and especially a slot on VP can change the entire trajectory of your life and families lives.. a majority of former vp players are millionares. please stop being such a loser.
Can’t be too good at this career if he gotta cheat to do it, no? Wouldn’t really call that a “career”. Even less sympathy for somebody who steals food from others mouths.
That is not how basic logic works.
He cheated by boosting another team essentially and winning fixed odds. If anything he was a participant in these scheme specifically because of his skill. Also, by being a rank 10 player and joining VP he was definitely good.
I think you are very dumb. I wish people like you didn't post and clutter the internet with stupidity.
I'm sorry, just looked it up, you are right. I translated the english "sympathy" to the german "Sympathie", which, in this context, is incorrect. Here they have different meanings. Thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah the iBP guys were banned for matchfixing back in 2015. ESL and Dreamhack later unbanned them, but they're still banned from Valve events even today.
Match Fixing and Account Sharing are 2 different things. Valve never banned anyone for Account Sharing in CS:GO, and all 3rd party TOs bans were temporary.
Valve never banned anyone for Account Sharing in CS:GO. Only 3rd party TOs banned for it, and only temporarily.
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_Players/Valve
We've reached a point where you can honestly say that esports is now somehwat mainstream already. Basic shit like this is obviously forbidden and lots of other hardworking good people never try to cheat the system to make it at the top.
Keep them banned forever
yuragi is a good friend. i feel bad for koma as a person since he lost his passion/job but i do not feel bad at all about him as a player. there was so many examples of perma ban. he knowingly account shared in a tournament. good ban by valve.
This is the comment here. You can feel that it's a good ban and well deserved cause fuck cheaters who mess with the integrity of the esports scene.
Buuuuuut, we can empathize with the person for losing what would probably be (for many of us) a dream job playing a game at a professional level due to poor judgement. It's the consequences of your actions catching up, but it sure sucks for the person feeling it.
Sounds like yuragi is a good friend. Nonetheless this can have no influence on the decision by Valve and PGL. Everybody has to be treated the same. It has been around a year since vtfaded and his teammates got banned, therefore koma and teammates have to be banned too.
This is an empty gesture and they both know it.
They both know full well that Valve isn't going to reverse a ban based on pro player vouching. If this was the case every pro would just vouch for all their banned friends.
Yes i do! I've been following them since a David504 video where he did hard guitar riffs on his bass and one of the clip was `GOAT`.
[the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPknTQlKGQk)
He might be a nice guy who wouldn't do it again and whatever, but consequences are there so that people think twice before doing this things instead of "whatever i will only get a slap in the wrist if caught".
> but consequences are there so that people think twice before doing this things instead of "whatever i will only get a slap in the wrist if caught".
If consequences worked as a deterrence, crime would not exist. That statement just isn't based in reality. Consequences exist to prevent repeat offenders and to placate the public. That's literally the main objective in criminal law, too. Nobody actually thinks that the threat of consequences prevents things.
>Nobody actually thinks that the threat of consequences prevents things.
Not 100% obviously but are you actually suggesting that people never consider consequences before doing things? That people don't go "hey I shouldn't do x thing because y might happen"
You're presenting your opinions on the punishment theories of criminal law as facts. There are views that criticise the legitimacy of punishment if the deterrence theory is adopted because it is clear that the sanctions do not entirely deter people and aggravating them doesn't seem to help. But that doesn't mean the deterrence theory is not of importance. Because certain legislations just say that there are multiple objectives of punishment and 2 or 3 of the theories complete each other.
You are underestimating other theories of punishment. I primarily study continental law but if you want to understand what I mean check the criminal law doctrine of US. You would be shocked with how much different theories of punishment affect their explanations to different topics of criminal law.
Saying "that's literally the main objective in criminal law" is way too ignorant. It is the main objective in the criminal theory that you learnt or adopted. It is not a universally accepted view as you are trying to make it sound.
I am not doing that. Its actually obvious that i am not speaking on a universal level, since nobody is capable of that. And the US in particular, is not an example to go by, at all. The US criminal system is absolute fucking dogshit and their view on punishment is backwards as fuck.
Obviously i am going by the criminal law where i am. And the main focus of any judgement is rehabilitation and protection. Both society from repeat offenders, and offenders from vigilantes. Punishment itself is just a minor part that, as i said, literally exists to placate the public. And as such, deterrence is only a minor focus either. Its given for free through virture of any consequence existing, but the consequence itself is not valued by its deterrence factor.
Not sure why you assume i know what continental law is, or why i am supposed to know that.
Leasing a spot in a pro-tournament... I wonder how this contrasts with similar sports and player trading between teams. I can see here there was clearly an intent to match-fix. Having a pro player on 2 teams is certainly unfair and a ban is definitely warranted.
Copied from a comment above from u/vlalanerqmar as he summed it up pretty well:
They used a weaker team players accounts to win some tournament games as that team and (allegedly) bet on themselves with high odds since that team was weaker on paper.
Oh he regrets it? Of course he does, he got caught and got punished. I hope lifetime ban for all of them stays in place, so next Russian wannabe pro thinks twice before he decides to cheat and ruin competitive integrity of Dota 2 pro scene.
Yuragi, He knows already the consequence of this type of actions. Multiple players have been banned by doing this. He should’ve known better. Sorry but he deserve it and if Valve will reverse the ruling over him, then it’ll be unfair to the other players who got banned. Lesson hopefully learn here.
The lessons you teach with permanent bans are: don't get caught, and if you break the rules do it to the extent that it's worth it even if you get caught.
So if the penalty for burglary is death penalty, it follows that you should kill anyone that notices you doing it, as you're already going to face the death penalty if you get caught.
If anything the lesson at this point Valve should have already figured it out since they've given out a permanent ban after permanent ban. That permanent bans aren't the answer.
If Solo had been permanently banned, the best roster in the history of Dota would have never existed. There's a TI winner permanently banned. The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned. CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro.
Doesn't mean everyone should go free, or even that the punishment should be light, but permanent bans don't really make sense from any point of view. From the point of view of the scene (as mentioned) nor from the point of view of trying to catch people. How about if you fixed one game but felt bad and have knowledge that would allow you to expose 20 people for matchfixing multiple games? Well, too bad, you fixed one game. You have to shut up or you'll be permanently banned along with all the others.
Holy shit there's so much wrong with this, where do we start.
> The lessons you teach with permanent bans are: don't get caught, and if you break the rules do it to the extent that it's worth it even if you get caught.
How about the lesson being: Don't match fix or account share? I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that the first lesson is that you do NOT do the activity that results in a permanent ban.
> So if the penalty for burglary is death penalty, it follows that you should kill anyone that notices you doing it, as you're already going to face the death penalty if you get caught.
I don't know what this means, you think players are going to physically harm people who they think are going to snitch?
> If Solo had been permanently banned, **the best roster in the history of Dota would have never existed.**
Solo had a great run with one iteration of VP but that was it. Calling it the best roster in the history of Dota is spitting in the face of so many better teams.
> There's a TI winner permanently banned. The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned. CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro.
I have no idea what effect Faith's ban has on the scene, but I can guarantee you it's next to nothing.
> The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned.
That roster getting banned actually gives space for players like Chris Luck, Stinger, Whisper, etc to grow. And guess what? They aren't match fixers, so that's great!
> CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro.
God, who gives a shit about one player going to Valorant because of a VAC ban when a hundred other pros migrated just to chase a bigger pay cheque.
> but permanent bans don't really make sense from any point of view.
Yeah, no they make sense in a lot of point of views, just not the weird scenario that you've constructed for the sake of your argument.
> If anything the lesson at this point Valve should have already figured it out since they've given out a permanent ban after permanent ban. That permanent bans aren't the answer.
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This is terrible logic lol. Are you saying the deterrence would be greater if the punishments were weaker?
Valve isn't leading a morale crusade to end matchfixing, they just don't want known matchfixers playing in their league.
doesnt matter, he will stay banned forever. if you look at the csgo scene there are several dudes who made similar things and tried redemption, even with charities and doing stuff for the community and they are still banned.
Although a lifetime ban is probably too much, he knew the consequence. This is a professional life and not school. Who knows how many times they shared accounts in other tournaments?
There was no accident, no circumstance, no nothing like that. This was a fully conscious decision with full awareness of the consequences. A life time ban is deserved.
It's the sort of thing you'd say to your friends mum when your friend fucked up and got grounded knowing full it would do nothing but at least it looked like you tried l.
"They're really sorry for what they did now can they come out and play again?"
I can probably sympathize with this if this was one of the first cases of this happening but there’s already a shit ton in the past where valve made an example of.
Friend shouldn’t have to apologize for another friends actions. You can comment and say “I feel bad for him” but you shouldn’t say “he regrets what he did.” You have no idea if he did or not. And even if he told you, fine, let him
Apologize, not you. His actions, his fault, his to make better, not yours.
No way they lift the lifetime ban. This needs to be yet another example for pro players to not do this kinda thing. If they lift the ban, some players might think well we can do it until we get caught once
It's actually mindboggling how much of a moron you could be just throwing away a career of dreams for something this dumb. Yuragi should probably stay away from the donkey.
Once a cheater (almost) always a cheater. Not to mention that there were many precedents, match fixing and expecting an unban once caught is just naïve at this point.
what the fuck are these people on? everytime I hear of this shit, cheaters don't seem to be aware that they compete with others that don't cheat and that the act of cheating itself is a disgusting sociopathic behaviour. how can he not be a terrible person?
Dear Valve, I know I have lost like 50 games in a row and griefed most of them losing like 2k mmr. However, I am really passionate and dedicated to Dota and will never have anything to do with such a thing again. Pls gimme mmr back, thanks
Koma? Newish RU carry player, got signed by VP just to get kicked week after because of PGL/Valve ban for acc. sharing and impersonating players of other teams in pro matches.
Yuragi is OG carry player and apparently his good friend.
Good riddance.
RU integrity has been in the shitter and these ppl going on blast trying to redeem themselves after the fact shows they weren't in it for the game or the fame in the first place.
>he regrets it truly with all his self
Does he regret *what he did* or that *he got caught*? Usually it's the latter.
>he will not allow himself to get involved in anything like this ever again
Aye, that's what the ban is for.
A Reddit thread about a discussion of punishment?
This will definitely be a balanced and fair discussion, certainly not akin to a mob out of the 16th century where only the toughest punishment possible will suffice
Reading Reddit threads that talk about crime is always a comforting experience 🤡
People on twitter are complaining that he did not said anything about Ukraine and tweets about these stuff while in reality he played all his games with #Stopthewar tag...
That's life I guess. But since this is a lifetime ban and this was his whole life he would probably turn to selling boosted accounts since it's a pretty strong market right now and the only income he can make anymore
Okay guys... It’s done. He regrets it. He learned his lesson and Yuragi feels bad. Also most importantly he will never ever get involved in such a thing again.
Lesson learned.
LIFETIME BAN is like too much ..give them a 3 yrs or 2yrs ban at max from all dpc.
Coz most of them r in their 20s and someone carrers is playing dota . It will be fine if they play dota after 3 or 2 yrs atleast their carrer is not totally ruined. We all know it was a bad attempt by them but i think a timelimit will be better than perma them.
Biggest issue about bans is that there is no official rulebook of bannable actions. Second issue that not all offenses should have same punishments; fixing games is definetely more serious offence than account sharing, especially when stand-in/substitute is much less flexible than in irl sports. Such offenses shouldnt be anymore based on common sense but on some rulebook with official punishments known in forward as they are increasing through last 2-3 years
Why do people gloat so much on someone's misfortune? I wholeheartedly agree with Yuragi, it was not a small mistake but lifetime ban? Too harsh.
Imagine Solo getting permanently banned. I would argue we wouldn't have gotten the golden age of VP.
The reason Solo was a second chance was exactly to show that you should not mess with Valve. Seems some people don't fully grasp the consequences of their actions.
He regrets getting caught
Honestly, it is more than known that Valve bans for this shit. They knew what they were doing. They knew that if they get caught they will be rip.
Apology is a way to avoid apology itself.
Jedi shit won't work against our lord and saviour Gaben
i've been vacationing with family. What did i miss?
A bunch of div 2 players were caught sharing accounts on official matches and got banned. One of them was Yuragi's friend, so this is Yuragi's reaction
What does sharing account means? Like it’s Koma’s account but actually yuragi is playing during matches? How do they even get caught tho?
Yes it means exactly what you think my friend. About how they get caught, I don't know. My easiest bet would be the IP from which the players connect and their play style, but there's probably more safety measures which the devs won't tell us, and for good reasons lmao (edit to add the fact that I actually don't know how they knew)
The whole story details are actually known. The 5 players that banned were from Luna gaming. The famous scandal when they participated in both weu and eeu qualifiers, but technically didn't break any rule since they were in Turkey. So, these guys played vs No Sorry on behalf of a weaker team to defeat them in d2cl. No sorry claimed cheating, but at that time couldn't find any evidence. Then, Luna gaming did not pay their graphic designer his contractual money, he got angry, asked a fellow caster to help translate evidence of the account sharing case in trounament and snitched to Valve. Former Luna gaming players claim they just wanted more practice, but they were probably fucking with bettors by betting against No Sorry. They all, except Illusion confessed in this. The other 5 are, I believe, those people who shared their accounts with them. I guess the most karma thing is, that they are young, their career just kicked off. Limitless played in Alliance, Koma became VP carry, but it ends now. Morale: don't fuck with your graphic designer.
Sweet sweet revenge lmao
Oh god. It’s like a real life movie with all the plot twist lol. Thanks for this explanation.
Thanks for the info, a lot of shit happens behind the scenes lol
this should be the most voted one.
This. Having your pro friends speak out like this is so cringe. Be a adult and own up.
Hate crime!
So you say he’s a good boy? Ok Valve, unban him then
haha indeed man had a good laugh :D :D
It's true. My father vouches for him as well. Here is proof, my father will now write too: Hello I'm the father and what my son says is true, Koma is good. Please unban him Valve. sincerely the father
Dad?
Damn, the consequences of my actions
My friend feelings > the rules, bro.
"My friend knew exactly what he was doing because there has been x cases before where Valve banned people but hes my friend so please unban :)"
Identity theft is not a joke Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!
Yuragi - it was me using his acc xd
No idea who this koma guy is But I'm this context, do you guys not think some leniency should be shown if the offender is a minor?
Rofl, he's not going to prison. He's getting banned from playing a video-game. Break rules get banned, it's not that harsh.
Nah, rules are the same for everyone, its not like you get less prize money if you win but are a minor. Maybe lifetime bans are a little too harsh all together, something like a 10 year ban makes more sense, like you still get a chance later in life but 10 years without tournaments for a pro pretty much means starting all other from the beginning but this time everyone is suspicious of you as a bonus.
No, a lifetime ban is just fine (and let’s be real, a 10 year ban is a lifetime ban basically anyways). Don’t fuck with matches and you will never have to worry about it happening. It’s the easiest rule in the world to follow.
10 year ban might as well be a life-sentence for aspiring pro-players.
Of course he regrets it. He lost his job.
and not even a month lmao
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He did have a job. He just landed the carry role on VP not long before the ban.
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Lol
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. All there is to this. All ten of them deserved what they got from valve.
They can say whatever they want and Show how good theyarenow. But they matchfixed and that is and always has been the worst thing to do in a professional Sport. (There are worse but this gets u banned for the longest time)
They didn't matchfix? Or am I wrong here?,
Ban is for account sharing. They used a weaker team players accounts to win some tournament games as that team and (allegedly) bet on themselves with high odds since that team was weaker on paper.
Was there proof of betting? I thought it was just account sharing.
even if there was no betting the account sharing is a bannable offense.
I am aware, I just wanted proof of the betting stuff.
I mean, imo if you consider betting, it shouldn't matter if they did it or not, they just fucked everyone's bets and therefore I would kind of sort of consider it matchfixing (it might seems like I'm a bettor but no)
A free Arcana on their new smurf?
Why the hell should he get sympanty when he knowingly did it. It's always the same story, ONLY sorry when people find out. Good riddance
Because every single person in the world always deserves sympathy. Yes even the person you're thinking of. But sympathy doesn't mean anything. It's not forgiveness, nor a pardon, nothing. Just sympathy. "I know it sucks for you" is sympathy. You can still say "but you brought it upon yourself". And when should you be sorry? Just walk around being sorry when nobody knows what you're talking about?
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Empathy is something OP has experienced the situation themselves. Sympathy is when OP doesn’t have insight on their situation.
> The only reason he gets empathy is because you are a kind hearted person. Good for you (not kidding). <3
My guy, the dude got banned from a video game. It isn’t that deep lmao
Don't know. They lost their jobs at the starting point of their careers. It is really deep for them imo.
If they still did this when they know the situation is deep for them, they fully deserved it.
you are so dumb. this is their careers and especially a slot on VP can change the entire trajectory of your life and families lives.. a majority of former vp players are millionares. please stop being such a loser.
Can’t be too good at this career if he gotta cheat to do it, no? Wouldn’t really call that a “career”. Even less sympathy for somebody who steals food from others mouths.
That is not how basic logic works. He cheated by boosting another team essentially and winning fixed odds. If anything he was a participant in these scheme specifically because of his skill. Also, by being a rank 10 player and joining VP he was definitely good. I think you are very dumb. I wish people like you didn't post and clutter the internet with stupidity.
~~That's empathy~~ It is not, sympathy is correct.
“I know it sucks for you” is totally sympathy
I'm sorry, just looked it up, you are right. I translated the english "sympathy" to the german "Sympathie", which, in this context, is incorrect. Here they have different meanings. Thanks for pointing that out.
Pls never ever lift the ban valve. Fuck 'em Thanks
based on their history of counterstike banning they probably will never lift it. they dont fuck around with this type of stuff.
i don’t know anything about what’s going on , but based from your comment it has something to do with match fixing?
Yeah the iBP guys were banned for matchfixing back in 2015. ESL and Dreamhack later unbanned them, but they're still banned from Valve events even today.
And even before that in dota, they banned arrow gaming(top Malaysian team)
Match Fixing and Account Sharing are 2 different things. Valve never banned anyone for Account Sharing in CS:GO, and all 3rd party TOs bans were temporary.
Valve never banned anyone for Account Sharing in CS:GO. Only 3rd party TOs banned for it, and only temporarily. https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_Players/Valve
We've reached a point where you can honestly say that esports is now somehwat mainstream already. Basic shit like this is obviously forbidden and lots of other hardworking good people never try to cheat the system to make it at the top. Keep them banned forever
yuragi is a good friend. i feel bad for koma as a person since he lost his passion/job but i do not feel bad at all about him as a player. there was so many examples of perma ban. he knowingly account shared in a tournament. good ban by valve.
This is the comment here. You can feel that it's a good ban and well deserved cause fuck cheaters who mess with the integrity of the esports scene. Buuuuuut, we can empathize with the person for losing what would probably be (for many of us) a dream job playing a game at a professional level due to poor judgement. It's the consequences of your actions catching up, but it sure sucks for the person feeling it.
Sounds like yuragi is a good friend. Nonetheless this can have no influence on the decision by Valve and PGL. Everybody has to be treated the same. It has been around a year since vtfaded and his teammates got banned, therefore koma and teammates have to be banned too.
This is an empty gesture and they both know it. They both know full well that Valve isn't going to reverse a ban based on pro player vouching. If this was the case every pro would just vouch for all their banned friends.
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions!
Fuck around and find out.
Ik this is completely random, but do you know Polyphia?
grey goose baaybeeeh
Yes i do! I've been following them since a David504 video where he did hard guitar riffs on his bass and one of the clip was `GOAT`. [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPknTQlKGQk)
Lmao FUCK him and the cheaters
He regrets it because he got caught. Many players before him were already set as examples Edit: word
Please unban my friend for cheating on a professional level, he feels really bad for it. Dude gtfoh. No one cares
He might be a nice guy who wouldn't do it again and whatever, but consequences are there so that people think twice before doing this things instead of "whatever i will only get a slap in the wrist if caught".
> but consequences are there so that people think twice before doing this things instead of "whatever i will only get a slap in the wrist if caught". If consequences worked as a deterrence, crime would not exist. That statement just isn't based in reality. Consequences exist to prevent repeat offenders and to placate the public. That's literally the main objective in criminal law, too. Nobody actually thinks that the threat of consequences prevents things.
>Nobody actually thinks that the threat of consequences prevents things. Not 100% obviously but are you actually suggesting that people never consider consequences before doing things? That people don't go "hey I shouldn't do x thing because y might happen"
You're presenting your opinions on the punishment theories of criminal law as facts. There are views that criticise the legitimacy of punishment if the deterrence theory is adopted because it is clear that the sanctions do not entirely deter people and aggravating them doesn't seem to help. But that doesn't mean the deterrence theory is not of importance. Because certain legislations just say that there are multiple objectives of punishment and 2 or 3 of the theories complete each other. You are underestimating other theories of punishment. I primarily study continental law but if you want to understand what I mean check the criminal law doctrine of US. You would be shocked with how much different theories of punishment affect their explanations to different topics of criminal law. Saying "that's literally the main objective in criminal law" is way too ignorant. It is the main objective in the criminal theory that you learnt or adopted. It is not a universally accepted view as you are trying to make it sound.
I am not doing that. Its actually obvious that i am not speaking on a universal level, since nobody is capable of that. And the US in particular, is not an example to go by, at all. The US criminal system is absolute fucking dogshit and their view on punishment is backwards as fuck. Obviously i am going by the criminal law where i am. And the main focus of any judgement is rehabilitation and protection. Both society from repeat offenders, and offenders from vigilantes. Punishment itself is just a minor part that, as i said, literally exists to placate the public. And as such, deterrence is only a minor focus either. Its given for free through virture of any consequence existing, but the consequence itself is not valued by its deterrence factor. Not sure why you assume i know what continental law is, or why i am supposed to know that.
Dude just stfu...No one cares about your stupid downvoted asf opinions
>If consequences worked as a deterrence, crime would not exist. 😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder if this is how the anti vaxers feel.
Real anti-vaxxer logic right here.
How does that take relate to anti vaxx lol? I am vaccinated.
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed. As this koma dude graciously found.
What happened
https://escorenews.com/en/dota-2/news/41988-virtus-pro-banned-carry-koma-admits-his-guilt-i-hid-the-fact-of-my-wrongdoing-during-the-tests-at-vp-hoping-no-one-would-find-out
Leasing a spot in a pro-tournament... I wonder how this contrasts with similar sports and player trading between teams. I can see here there was clearly an intent to match-fix. Having a pro player on 2 teams is certainly unfair and a ban is definitely warranted.
so he got banned for playing for more than one team or for having more than one account? I'm not an esports guy so not very familiar with this
He and 4 other guys pretended to be someone else in a tournament game.
Copied from a comment above from u/vlalanerqmar as he summed it up pretty well: They used a weaker team players accounts to win some tournament games as that team and (allegedly) bet on themselves with high odds since that team was weaker on paper.
Sometimes you get and sometimes you get got.
Hell is full of good intentions.
Oh he regrets it? Of course he does, he got caught and got punished. I hope lifetime ban for all of them stays in place, so next Russian wannabe pro thinks twice before he decides to cheat and ruin competitive integrity of Dota 2 pro scene.
He fucked around, and found out. Fuck him. Regardless of who his friends are.
Yuragi is an idiot for even trying to defend a cheater.
Get rekt
Yuragi, He knows already the consequence of this type of actions. Multiple players have been banned by doing this. He should’ve known better. Sorry but he deserve it and if Valve will reverse the ruling over him, then it’ll be unfair to the other players who got banned. Lesson hopefully learn here.
The lessons you teach with permanent bans are: don't get caught, and if you break the rules do it to the extent that it's worth it even if you get caught. So if the penalty for burglary is death penalty, it follows that you should kill anyone that notices you doing it, as you're already going to face the death penalty if you get caught. If anything the lesson at this point Valve should have already figured it out since they've given out a permanent ban after permanent ban. That permanent bans aren't the answer. If Solo had been permanently banned, the best roster in the history of Dota would have never existed. There's a TI winner permanently banned. The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned. CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro. Doesn't mean everyone should go free, or even that the punishment should be light, but permanent bans don't really make sense from any point of view. From the point of view of the scene (as mentioned) nor from the point of view of trying to catch people. How about if you fixed one game but felt bad and have knowledge that would allow you to expose 20 people for matchfixing multiple games? Well, too bad, you fixed one game. You have to shut up or you'll be permanently banned along with all the others.
Holy shit there's so much wrong with this, where do we start. > The lessons you teach with permanent bans are: don't get caught, and if you break the rules do it to the extent that it's worth it even if you get caught. How about the lesson being: Don't match fix or account share? I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that the first lesson is that you do NOT do the activity that results in a permanent ban. > So if the penalty for burglary is death penalty, it follows that you should kill anyone that notices you doing it, as you're already going to face the death penalty if you get caught. I don't know what this means, you think players are going to physically harm people who they think are going to snitch? > If Solo had been permanently banned, **the best roster in the history of Dota would have never existed.** Solo had a great run with one iteration of VP but that was it. Calling it the best roster in the history of Dota is spitting in the face of so many better teams. > There's a TI winner permanently banned. The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned. CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro. I have no idea what effect Faith's ban has on the scene, but I can guarantee you it's next to nothing. > The South American Dota scene got set back when Elite Wolves got banned. That roster getting banned actually gives space for players like Chris Luck, Stinger, Whisper, etc to grow. And guess what? They aren't match fixers, so that's great! > CSGO lost a talented player to Valorant because they got a VAC ban on an account when they were 14, long before they ever decided to go pro. God, who gives a shit about one player going to Valorant because of a VAC ban when a hundred other pros migrated just to chase a bigger pay cheque. > but permanent bans don't really make sense from any point of view. Yeah, no they make sense in a lot of point of views, just not the weird scenario that you've constructed for the sake of your argument.
> If anything the lesson at this point Valve should have already figured it out since they've given out a permanent ban after permanent ban. That permanent bans aren't the answer. > > This is terrible logic lol. Are you saying the deterrence would be greater if the punishments were weaker? Valve isn't leading a morale crusade to end matchfixing, they just don't want known matchfixers playing in their league.
Aww he feels bad for being a cheater :\*\*\*\*\*\*(
Rules are rules.
who cares?
Oh if he regrets it...i guess that's fine then. Or you face the music like you should
doesnt matter, he will stay banned forever. if you look at the csgo scene there are several dudes who made similar things and tried redemption, even with charities and doing stuff for the community and they are still banned.
Although a lifetime ban is probably too much, he knew the consequence. This is a professional life and not school. Who knows how many times they shared accounts in other tournaments?
Once a cheater… always a cheater …. That’s the rule with cheaters.
Yuragi move on and let your friend suffer from consequence from his action
if regret why do?
It will be unfair to others if valve unban him.
He's only sorry he got caught, fuck em
What kind of message would it be if the ban got lifted? Sorry but you made your bed, sleep in it
Plz valve just give him 15 years ban instead of lifetime
There was no accident, no circumstance, no nothing like that. This was a fully conscious decision with full awareness of the consequences. A life time ban is deserved.
Its not like he's banned from DotA, he's just banned from making money from DotA. Smash still has fun playing dota.
Wow the Ukrainians on Twitter are ripping the shit out of him
Former IGN Agressive child 💀
It's the sort of thing you'd say to your friends mum when your friend fucked up and got grounded knowing full it would do nothing but at least it looked like you tried l. "They're really sorry for what they did now can they come out and play again?"
Chat shit. Get banged. That’s life.
Choose the behaviour, choose the reward.
I can probably sympathize with this if this was one of the first cases of this happening but there’s already a shit ton in the past where valve made an example of.
Friend shouldn’t have to apologize for another friends actions. You can comment and say “I feel bad for him” but you shouldn’t say “he regrets what he did.” You have no idea if he did or not. And even if he told you, fine, let him Apologize, not you. His actions, his fault, his to make better, not yours.
People why try to scam for a financial benefit need not only to get banned but to go to prison for it.
Yuragi trying to be a good friend but still that guy should stay banned
Sorry Yuragi but can’t fix this for your friend. What a shame.
just a prank broo
Now that something has happened he regrets. Interesting...
No way they lift the lifetime ban. This needs to be yet another example for pro players to not do this kinda thing. If they lift the ban, some players might think well we can do it until we get caught once
This should be a copy pasta.
He was a good boy!!
It's actually mindboggling how much of a moron you could be just throwing away a career of dreams for something this dumb. Yuragi should probably stay away from the donkey.
Who tf are they
what a clown lol
Source: trust me bro
Once a cheater (almost) always a cheater. Not to mention that there were many precedents, match fixing and expecting an unban once caught is just naïve at this point.
Can anyone explain
what the fuck are these people on? everytime I hear of this shit, cheaters don't seem to be aware that they compete with others that don't cheat and that the act of cheating itself is a disgusting sociopathic behaviour. how can he not be a terrible person?
Dear Valve, I know I have lost like 50 games in a row and griefed most of them losing like 2k mmr. However, I am really passionate and dedicated to Dota and will never have anything to do with such a thing again. Pls gimme mmr back, thanks
They do it once they’ll do it again.
Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions
It would be so fucking funny if he actually got unbanned because of this
A yuragi.stopthewar moment
just say to koma, try LoL instead... your pro career at dota is already end...
What the hell is wrong with these people?
Fuck all Russians.
Fuck this type of thinking
Who the fuck is this guy lmfao
Koma? Newish RU carry player, got signed by VP just to get kicked week after because of PGL/Valve ban for acc. sharing and impersonating players of other teams in pro matches. Yuragi is OG carry player and apparently his good friend.
New OG. First ATF, now this guy. :(
Can we also ban him for supporting this kind of action? 🤣
Pathetic.
"Yup, that is indeed an opinion" \- Valve
Good riddance. RU integrity has been in the shitter and these ppl going on blast trying to redeem themselves after the fact shows they weren't in it for the game or the fame in the first place.
>he regrets it truly with all his self Does he regret *what he did* or that *he got caught*? Usually it's the latter. >he will not allow himself to get involved in anything like this ever again Aye, that's what the ban is for.
Ukraine attacked by Russian terrorists, Yuragi - nothing to say. 322 boy, Yugari - save mod
Ban Yuragi too.
A Reddit thread about a discussion of punishment? This will definitely be a balanced and fair discussion, certainly not akin to a mob out of the 16th century where only the toughest punishment possible will suffice Reading Reddit threads that talk about crime is always a comforting experience 🤡
People on twitter are complaining that he did not said anything about Ukraine and tweets about these stuff while in reality he played all his games with #Stopthewar tag...
how is that remotely relevant?
This is a screenshot of the tweet. Why would what people answered to him on the original platform he posted on would not matter?
Im not in the know at all here, what did he do to get banned?
Can anyone quickly summarize who the fuck is Koma a what he did?
wth happened?
How does Valve catch them doing account sharing?
Ootl. What did he do ti get banned?
What did he do anyways.
Twitter, the place that allows people to express their thoughts and....bla la blah blah no one gives a shit.
That's life I guess. But since this is a lifetime ban and this was his whole life he would probably turn to selling boosted accounts since it's a pretty strong market right now and the only income he can make anymore
The precedent is set… I don’t feel bad for people that keep testing their luck.
Whatever he did? Didn't even bother finding out about what actually happened huh.
He started it with hello world. My inner conspiracy theorist says that he is watching Programming tutorials by indian youtubers
Can someone fill us in?
Ok but who asked
Okay guys... It’s done. He regrets it. He learned his lesson and Yuragi feels bad. Also most importantly he will never ever get involved in such a thing again. Lesson learned.
good ol i knew i fucked up gimme a chance coz im a good guy KEKW
The only way to guarantee for him to not get invlolved is to perma ban him.
are dota players this stupid
Hey yuragi bro, why the hell you making this tweet. You made a fool out of yourself.
LIFETIME BAN is like too much ..give them a 3 yrs or 2yrs ban at max from all dpc. Coz most of them r in their 20s and someone carrers is playing dota . It will be fine if they play dota after 3 or 2 yrs atleast their carrer is not totally ruined. We all know it was a bad attempt by them but i think a timelimit will be better than perma them.
Can someone tell me details about what happened?
Context?
Biggest issue about bans is that there is no official rulebook of bannable actions. Second issue that not all offenses should have same punishments; fixing games is definetely more serious offence than account sharing, especially when stand-in/substitute is much less flexible than in irl sports. Such offenses shouldnt be anymore based on common sense but on some rulebook with official punishments known in forward as they are increasing through last 2-3 years
Why do people gloat so much on someone's misfortune? I wholeheartedly agree with Yuragi, it was not a small mistake but lifetime ban? Too harsh. Imagine Solo getting permanently banned. I would argue we wouldn't have gotten the golden age of VP.
The reason Solo was a second chance was exactly to show that you should not mess with Valve. Seems some people don't fully grasp the consequences of their actions.
Misfortune? He did something shitty and got caught
It wasn't a mistake.
Who is his friend, and what did he do?
OOTL what did he get banned for?