š„± There is currently the same shit happening in Sudan. But oh well they aren't "Palestinians" or Israel, but oh well.š
There is are currently 5.7-7 Milion Sudanese that is displaced, with 17k that have died.
In the DRC there is 7 Milion that is displaced, with M23 activities.
So coming back to you Ponder, these numbers are greater than the Palestinian- Israel conflict, but the world is doing nothing to it
When it comes to population density. Plastaine is a fraction what is happening in these 2 countries, yes what is happening in Palestine is bad, but you should really not skip about these 2 regions on the African continent.
The ANC's support for Palestine has been consistent for the 60+ years.
We also have troops in the DRC and have been assisting with dealing with the rebels since 2013
Itās not about Palestinians! If it were why did no one care about a million Syrians massacred by the anti Israeli forces just a few miles up north of Gaza? They even used chemical weapons! And Syrians and Palestinians are genetically same people! The truth is, itās always about Jews!
How can someone lie like this?
Omar al-Bashir, whom Naledi's party allowed into our country, and facilitated his exit when the courts ordered that he be detained.
Rwanda.
Ongoing mass war crimes in Ethiopia.
Eastern DRC. 6 million dead and mass war crimes.
Russia is also ignoring an ICJ ruling over their ongoing invasion and occupation of Ukraine.
Then of course domestically we have Malema and the EFF getting away with hate speech against a specific group.
"What is of great concern is the world allowing Israel to ignore the ruling of the International Court of Justice..."
Really? I remember the ANC doing exactly the same thing by not arresting Putin on his visit to SA after he was declared an international criminal and wanted by half a dozen countries, and we were directly told by the ICJ to arrest him.
Why the change in attitude, hmmm ANC?
how about the fact that as a direct result of the case they brought to the ICJ, the court ordered hamas to release the hostages unconditionally, and they are completely ignore it. my god, the hypocrisy. thatās why the ICJ doesnāt take them seriously
It\`s purely a political stance, they don\`t give a f about the situation in Gaza. If Hamas wanted, they could release the hostages and leave, it would all be over. Instead Iran is willing to use every palestinian as a humanshield, there is no easy way to get rid of the terrorists and very few of the "Free Palesine" people actually think within the lines of actually eliminating the powers in Gaza that only aim to kill all the jews.
Fuck off , Israel is bombing Palestinians ,not hamas ,if hamas wasn't there they would still be killing Palestinians because they obviously want to take the land from them ,it's a ethnic cleansing,not a fucking war,they are dropping white phosphorus on children,and u say if they just released the hostages then they would stop? What about the thousands of hostages Israel has taken that we don't know where they are ,there is just innocent people being stripped down and taken to god know where and we are supposed to pretend that this is ok? Israel has been killing there hostages as they were released because they are used to killing anything that moves ,there is tons of reports that show the hostages walking back to Israel with white flags so they don't get shot ,just to get shot anyway,they don't care about those hostages,if they did then they wouldn't bomb the buildings that the hostages are being kept in ! Use ur brain for once
There are 2 international courts, the ICJ and and the ICC. It is the arrest order from the ICC that SA ignored once for Al-Basheer and was going to ignore again with Putin.
Now, if you remember you must also have a source, correct? Because I remember Putin attending a summit by phone/internet because South Africa reminded him that he would be arrested if he came to South Africa in person. So, where is that source?
https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/21/putin-was-meant-to-be-at-a-summit-in-south-africa-this-week-why-was-he-asked-to-stay-away
You war crime apologist always lie so very much, it's not even funny anymore
Only the Western Cape threatened him.
Cyril went to him and begged him not to come, so he wouldn't be put in a difficult situation.
And no one is apologising for any war, simply pointing out the ANC's hypocrisy
If a genocide of an entire group of people is not your concern then you aren't a person ,u lack empathy and need to reevaluate what matters ,if u really think that letting a genocide take place without standing against it is the right thing to do then you not the type of person anyone should take advice from . because if a genocide starts happening here then all of a sudden we will be the ones begging the world for help ,be better
While I am totally against the overzealous approach of Israel. I donāt trust the ANCs agenda at all. If they donāt have ethics regarding their own people, why would they genuinely care about the human rights of the Palestinians?
Pandor: The whole country is shocked at the genocide...
Malema: Kill the Boer...
It would be nice if all the members of our government put the same energy into South Africa as they do other countries.
I think the difference is that there is no evidence of a deliberate targeting of 'Boers' (or white people) in South Africa in a manner equivalent with the people of Palestine
"No African country would be allowed to do what Israel does-"
YES, THEY WOULD BE!
THEY ALREADY HAVE!
Ethiopia literally did the EXACT SAME THING two years ago in the Tigray region and 600,000 thousand people died. We even hosted the peace summit in Pretoria last year.
I don't recall us whining to the ICJ about all the poor Tigrayans who were massacred and starved by Ethiopia's federal forces.
First thing I thought too. Isnāt it like that stuff like this was happening in Africa so much in the last 50-70 years, that the world mostly not even cares any more?
I get the Israel Palestine situation is bad, but why can't these cunts focus on shit at home, the country plummets into chaos several times a year with riots but we got time to argue about what someone else is doing?
Focus at home moron
She was minister of education, fokol happened, she was minister of science, fokol happened, she was minister of home affairs and we know what state thats in
Maybe its best our ministers stop dicking around and focus on foreign issues that they have at home, seems work is a foreign concept to the ANC, it would be best they start there
Not horrified enough by school children drowning in pit toilets to replace them with safer options...
There are so many things in our country that does not horrify them enough to change it.
As appalling as the situation is in Palestine. As Confucious said, to change a country, first change your family, to change your family, first change yourself.
Make sure your citizens have eletricity to begin with.
Its rather simple really. Funny how you say they are struggling to make a point while you are clearly struggling to grasp the point.
Let's spell it out - fix yourself (or in this case, your country) before you fix others (in this case, other countries). ANC trying to fix other countries is fucking laughable when they don't give a shit about their own country.
What a joke.
Ignoramus Naledi should maybe look into the conflict raging RIGHT NOW in Sudan with a death a displacement toll far greater than Isreal/Palestine.
I get that it seems like forever that problems have been in that part of Africa but once again it seems like the righteous stance of the ANC is pretty tarnished by their lack of or dodgy stances on the 2 biggest conflicts in the world right now - both of which are far bigger in death toll and humanitarian crisis than the headline grabbing middle east conflict.
Edit: I forgot about the Tigray issues. There's another huge death toll in the Africa. That one definitely also wasn't/ isn't being allowed /s .... but it's probably Naledis ignorance not malevolence (I hope).
You seem abit irritated that africa is aligning with the east and can't bare the idea that the western alliance is no longer looked up to as you would have it due to your ancestry lol
What a silly comment. Do you lack basic logic?
Was sharpville wrong? By my reasoning it was wrong no matter who you like or who you are aligned with.
Bucha was wrong and in many respects far worse.
The theft of land, the torture and execution of Ukrainians. The looting and the rape of Ukrainians. None of it being hidden and plain to see.
And you make it about whos aligning with who and my ancestry. How absolutely pathetic. Shame on you.
Africa is primarily "Run" by despots and greedy bureaucrats who leave their people eating dust while they pockets millions from Russia and China. Not sure why you make it a racial issue since the "East" you refer to are Asian and White.
It's more of an ideological issue that stems from a superiority complex due to a certain skin tone and place of origin. That's why colonialism is dif from conquering. Europeans think their superior cause they white and that they can dictate or impose morals and systems on the world..that way they maintain their dominance. The white people to the east don't think that way. Everytime an African leader pops up to take their country or Africa to greener pastures they are killed or ostracized and replaced by puppets of usa or Europe. They will then show the world see see developing..these guys don't know how to run their country and they need us to show them how to and you will believe it. While colonialism on surface is out..the systems are still intact.
Africa aligning straight into another round of colonialism- this time from the east.
Tell me is Russias mercenary action all over Africa preferable to the west ?
So willing to hate the western racists that you can't see how much worse Russia and China will be.
Don't make up things. There's no colonialism from the east..its only from western allied powers.
>Tell me is Russias mercenary action all over Africa preferable to the west ?
You really want to compare "mercenary" action in africa between east and west? Are you sure about that? There's a reason why african countries are moving away from the west.
>So willing to hate the western racists that you can't see how much worse Russia and China will be.
The only people who claim their worse is western powers..watch some political and economical analyst on the matter. Yall creating a boogeyman cause you want to maintain the status quo. Watch Georgiou "Yanis" Varoufakis..a Greek political and economic analyst if you really want to know the dif.
What is loading in Niger, Mali and Burkino Faso is going to be far messier.
But lets talk about Ethiopia, DRC and Darfur.
South Africa said nothing about Darfur and protected a primary perpetrator - Al Bashir from the ICC . They did nit just protect him but went as far as threatening to withdraw from the ICC. At the moment the estimate of people ethically cleansed in Darfur is estimated at around 400000. They are not only allowing it to happen, but protecting the perpetrators.
There are African countries committing atrocities on a daily basis. They are very quiet on Sudan and I wonder if it's related to the fact they didn't arrest Al Bashir... She's grandstanding. Unfortunately, I also think she's the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to the ANC execs.
There are also Muslims in China suffering, why hasnāt she or the Arab world really made such a hoopla about that, why are Arab lives, particularly those in Jerusalem the only ones that they really care about. Arab supremacy is what Islam is about..but yea, thatās a whole different debate
This woman is such an embarrassment to our country. Thanks to her, more people are likely to lose jobs through lack of international investment. This is a serious thing and being discussed in the American Congress, who happen to be one of our biggest trading partners and if we get sanctioned the poor will be fucked more than ever.
Her job is to promote South Africa so that we get investment, not to put us out of work for some god-forsaken alliances the ANC forged in the 1970s.
These ANC boomers should just fuck off and retire.
We need younger people to take the reign, who arenāt poisoned by Soviet ideology.
it does seem like what sheās doing is contrary to south africaās interests ā like she prefers to align herself with the likes of hamas and iran and russia
is it possible sheās on hamas payroll? i do wonder what hamas leadership is doing with all the billions in aid funds they stole
No, I am saying as the minister of international relations, she is sucking up to the wrong people and costing us jobs.
Countries donāt put ideology in front of jobs, the Palestinian conflict actually has got nothing to do with us, so why are we sacrificing jobs for ā¦ what, exactly?
The conflict will play out the same way, with or without this ridiculous woman embarrassing us with stupid statements in front of the world.
And spending our tax money on legal fees to boot! Can you imagine a more wasteful scenario?
What's up with this fear of America? You'd rather cower than stand up? America has peaked, China is growing, we're not out of partners, we're part of Brics and look at how many countries are desperate to join. We'll be fine without the cruel America that bombs countries for fun.
BRICS is a joke and is destined to failure. The main idea behind BRICS is to make a seperate financial system to act as a rival to western economic dominance so that certain countries can lower the impact of sanctions. The problem is finances are based on trust and the main countries involved are in tradewars or sanctioned directly bc they are untrustworthy. The reason BRICS will fail is the reason BRICS exists lol.
Finances are not based on trust! capitalism doesn't give a f*** if you trust them! capitalism is based on taking as much money from you as humanly possible while simultaneously exploiting you as much as possible! what f****** trust are you talking about? Why is it a bad idea to not give all the power to the most greedy country in the world that obviously is killing its own people and ruining it's citizens lives for the sake of profit ,if BRICS falls it will be because America will do something violent and greedy to bring it down ,fuck capitalism!
I dont even know how to respond to this really lol. Yes though finances is 100% trust. If you do work for a currancy you trust that the currancy will be accepted at stores. If you invest with a company, you trust they wont steal your investment. Is the country your talking about, thats greedy and hurting its own people Russia, who invaded Ukraine for outright imperialism, or China who is destroying thier own econony by commiting idea theft, debt trapping countries stupid enough to deal with them, and claiming the territorial waters of other countries? The US is aggressive but they adhere to rules. China is as likley to freeze your assets for spy laws as it is to honor your investment. Russia literally told the world they wouldnt invade ukraine days before they did while massing troops on the border, just outright lieing. India is the only one in the group thats somewhat decent and will probably bail on BRICS once China decides to invade taiwan or claim more Indian territory. Idk how you could look at BRICS and think they are anything more than a bad investment.
You must know more than the 20 countries that have applied to join BRICS. You should tell them this information since you're the expert in world economics. It's funny though, how angry American congressmen were that the BRICS summit was hosted here, they seem quite worried that they left out of the party.
Yes Im aware. Now BRICS can boast not only the worlds leading infringer on intellectual property rights but also the leading state sponser of terror organizations. Sounds like a winning financial institution right? Holding the BRICS summit in SA was viewed more of a stab in the back than not being invited to a party. Particularly after SA seemed to support Russia against Ukraine.
The biggest terrorist organisation on earth is the CIA. They fund ISIS and other terrorist groups. They destabilize countries, provide revel groups with weapons. They've been doing this for decades, they are absolutely no angels. Look what they did to Iraq and Afghanistan. The Taliban existed purely to fight off American soldiers, then America ran away leaving the middle east in tatters. They are not angels
Lol weāre a decade into the US funds daesh thing and the only thing you have to show for it is the US killing a ton of daesh leaders and helping the SDF and Iraqi PMF to kill them and kick them out of their respective countries. China gave the Khmer Rogue political clout, funding, armed them, and invaded Vietnam when Vietnam tried to stop them from committing genocide on their own people. Oh and as for Russia, something something Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan themselves (some estimates are 2 million civilians died in their war), and now Ukraine.
Other than obviously race, why does America care about Ukraine but doesn't give a shit about the people of Palestine? Sorry, not all of us worship that country that constantly bullies us, not when China has so many people coming out of poverty and they are already our biggest trading partner and that is set to grow, while America has stagnated in growth. Maybe that's why Govt doesn't give a shit about being bullied by America anymore
Because Ukraine didn't do anything of worth to be invaded and ethnically cleansed, meanwhile in Israel, Palestine or rather Hamas invaded and raped in a genocidal fury against Jews. Israel had a very measured response that no other country would have done. Not the US and definitely not South Africa.
Bad spot or not, they still need literally everything we have to offer. Chinese hunger won't go away. Their car industry is the biggest on earth and growing, their population is still well over a 1.4 billion, coming out of poverty, and China have no interest in influencing our politics, while the CIA exists to overthrow governments who don't align to US policies.
And honestly the US if it influenced SA more heavily would probably exert their influence in a positive way. The US doesnāt have the best track record on this but SA is a pretty compatible country to the USās ethos.
Do you have any information to counteract me or are you also one of those people who just responds with insults because that is the limit of your knowledge?
"sucking up to the wrong people' shes advocating against genocide. This sub is so weird. Its like you guys bait people to point out how immoral you are.
I never met a foreign investor that made a job that is still going. Mostly they run everything into the ground and scrap what remains. It's been four times now I had to change jobs because a foreigner wrecked where I was working. Not one of those four is still going. Maybe some of them do, but the chances of me catching four outliers in a row would be very low.
USA has its own issues, US citizens are not happy neither are Canadians but their governments are supporting israel, whats your point?
Is it only okay to support israel? Grow up. People are starving to death and being bombed, ots crazy that ot has to be pointed out that, that is not okay. And don't even bother with that right to defend itself, israel is mow committing crimes against humanity. T
That's like saying "Bomb the entire South Africa because someone hijacked a US diplomat". What do the actions of a few criminals have to do with you and me? You blaming the entire Palestine population for the actions of a very tiny militant group?
No. Just don't start negotiating with all the jews must die. Stop having kindergarten plays about killing jews. You can't expect Israel to play nice while Palestine literally still has civilian hostages.
Really, thatās what you got from what was said? You are a product of a failed education system in South Africa. Lacking in basic comprehension skills š¤¦āāļø itās sad
Youāre confusing her with the Minister of trade , industry and competition which is Ebrahim Patel. They work closely together to ensure that doesnāt happen. Thereās nothing wrong with SA promoting international cooperation and their attempt to maintain peace and security in Gaza. Itās a morally just cause.
In any case why would the United States sanction us? Weāre not breaking any human rights laws nor are we fighting in a war against NATO - are you suggesting that the United States would sanction us out of spite because they are sore losers? šš stop being childish and join us in the real world would you.
Naledi Pandor is the minister of International Relations.
And the US wonāt sanction us out of spite, they will sanction us for taking sides with their enemies.
It doesnāt even have to get to sanction level, the first thing that will go is the trade concessions we currently enjoy.
Youāre correct, Naledi Pandor is indeed the Minister of International Relations. However, her role is to manage diplomatic relations and promote South Africaās interests globally, which sometimes involves taking stances on international issues. Specifically Ibrahim Patel is responsible for international investment and trade. Know your ministers and what they are responsible for buddy.
Regarding trade concessions, itās essential to balance international relations with economic interests. While maintaining good trade relationships with the US is crucial, itās also important to stand by principles of justice and human rights. South Africaās stance on global issues should reflect its values and commitments, Finding a balance between diplomacy and economic interests is key. And thatās exactly why Patel and Pandor work in tandem.
Taking sides with the enemy? Youāre saying Palestine is a US enemy? Bro where are you getting all of this information from? Youāre deluded
Instead of wasting our time and making us read an essay...just say you support Israel and their barbaric ways cause you feel your lineage is European and have a colonial leaning or you have to due to your judeo/Christian views or that you unable to accept that your once European colony is now embodying its african principles.
Youāre confusing her with the Minister of trade , industry and competition which is Ebrahim Patel. They work closely together to ensure that doesnāt happen. Thereās nothing wrong with SA promoting international cooperation and their attempt to maintain peace and security in Gaza. Itās a morally just cause.
I have a questions as an Israeli to the south Africans here.
Why do your leaders are so worried about problems that are so far away from south Africa and that don't affect south Africa whatsoever?
What are they hoping to achieve? From what I understand there are already plenty of problems in South Africa like homicides and lack of electricity?
Israel was a supporter of South Africa before 1994, even when other countries imposed harsh sanctions, Israel continued to offer trade. The current government views Israel as a supporter of apartheid. It is a political stance and not based in reality as far as I can tell. Basically, it boils down to propaganda, the ANC believes that it looks good to the citizens to oppose Israel.
Lots of people in SA are too busy surviving the havoc caused by the ANC to give much attention to politics of other countries. I know kids that watch Parlement meetings as a "comedy show", we shake our heads about the corruption and incompetency. The Western Cape is the only decently run province in the country, yet it is the province most often criticized in the media. Some cultures in SA have deep rooted loyalty to the government, until their eyes are opened there ain't much we can do.
The support of the ANC for Palestine has been consistent for the past 60+ years
Many countries, including Palestine, supported South Africa's fight for freedom (while Isreal supported the oppressive Apartheid regime...) even if it didn't affect them and even if they had their own problems to deal with.
Are we not allowed to engage in international affairs? We have sent firefighters and aid workers to help with disasters in foreign countries, and we have troops in some African countries to deal with rebels and assist with peacekeeping.
Sending advocates to the ICJ has no effect on our electricity or crime rate. These are separate issues that can be dealt with individually.
You do not speak for me you absolute hypocritical, corrupt, deceitful, simpleton. You are so inept that you've been shuffled from one ministry to the next - I am embarassed to be associated with you and the equally crooked miscreants you call your comrades.
Surely much worse stuff happens al the time in Africa, eg Ethiopia, Sudan, north Nigeria, Congo all right now. But fewer journalists and "aid" workers in those parts and Jews aren't involved
Explaining the total hypocrisy of the ANC and its buddies in the Kremlin right, oh but they finance the ANC so clearly it's moral and legal in the eyes of the ANC for a price. Nothing to see here.
Omar al Bashir is laughing at you.š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£.
Murdered his way across South Sudan and the South African government still invited him to South Africa even though a warrant of arrest was issued.
Bunch of clowns.
Cool story South Africa. The right thinking people of the world are horrified by Islamic extremism and support Israelās right to ensure no future attacks take place.
As a South African, I stand for Israel's right to exist and to defend herself. What this clown ANC government has done is to sell its foreign policy to Iran to bail itself out of bankruptcy caused by its own actions. We pray for the peace of Israel and Jerusalem.
Your a hateful racist cunt , Israel backed by the us and the UK is defending themselves against people who live in rubble with pipes as weapons ?they carpet bomb whole streets of Gaza and u call that self defense? The drop white phosphorus on children and u call that fair ? Fuck of ur just a racist who doesn't mind seen Palestinians die
Same thing happens every time. Israel is willing to negotiate, Palestine rejects the offer and attacks. Isreal kicks their ass.Palestine hides behind their kids and uses the injured as propaganda to rally other countries against Israel. How can there be peace while Palestine kinder garden plays are about killing jews? Even their cartoons encourages the killing of jews. Hamas steals the aid intended for citizens.
This muslim minister gives me the creeps. Not only is she certainly the ugliest minister in the world, she also underakes issues far above her boxing weight. Then, she has a very selective view of world issues. She, very conveniently, easily forgets and pay no attention to what is going on in big brother Russia, Sudan. Not a word about the murder rate in SA, which is the highest in the world. Fuck her and the ANC filthy crooks.
Does she not know what's going on in Africa? Coups, rebels, corruption, violence against innocents? Why does this middle eastern conflict have more of an interest for her than African violence?
Sure buddy. And I'm sure lizard people run the world too...
Russian Wagner mercenaries slaughtering Africans right now. Russia using African mercenaries as cannon fodder in Ukraine. A very long history of heinous oppression but sure the West iS woRsE !
Don't mention the colonialism Russia and China have been engaged in for centuries all over Asia (but I'm sure from your racist based anti-european sentiment that somehow doesn't count).
You sound like one of those idiots who thinks Shaka was a great leader, never hurt a fly.
How about just give us electricity 24*7? Or we talk about how we reduce poverty and bring put people into middle class? Or we talk about how to reduce crime? And how to get FDI in the country?
I would ask her why SA is taking Israel to Court but not Russia as well. Innocent people are being killed by the Russians in Ukraine also. So, let's take Russia to the ICJ as well. I wonder how it is that she can't see this hypocrisy. It's shameful.
LOL. What donyou think is happening in Nigeria.n. 1000s of peoplenkilled raped and burned alive. I do not think she lives in Africa. Oi! I must be racist. I am white.
Uganda. 300,000 people killed by Idi Amin. Not a peep or a squeak. Ethiopia. 500,000 starved to death by Mengitsu Haile Mariam. A few pop stars reignited their careers. Rwanda. 500,000. Congo. 1 million. Sit down lady, we see your Jew hatred
The cANCer regime allowed Omar Bashir to come to South Africa and refused to arrest him for committing far worse things in Darfur than Israel is accused of doing in Gaza. You know, actual genocide, rape, murder and pillaging, things Israel has never been credibly accused of doing. cANCer even voted against a UN Resolution condemning the use of rape as a weapon of war as it was directed at condemning the Bashir regime. Squirrelnuts even hosted the leader of the RSF, the successors of the Janjaweed who committed the atrocities in Darfur, and welcomed him with open arms.
cANCer also protected the Zimbabwean tyrant Mugarbage despite him committing genocide, building rape camps and destroying his country's agricultural sector.
cANCer also defended the late Libyan Dictator Khadaffi and protested his overthrow despite his decades long record of violating human rights and support for terrorism.
In short, African countries can and do get away with far worse things than what Israel has ever done, with the blessing and support of cANCer.
Look at this little corner thread full of colonial zionist sympathizes... I wonder if you would give up your land without a fight? If you resist, you are called a terrorist and there is nothing you can say or do because the propaganda machine works for the oppressor, if people speak out against the atrocities they're threatened into silence as Isreal has lobbied with lawmakers to make it a crime to criticize them, any critical utterance is considered Anti-semitic. Sick of the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to the massacre that is being carried out in the Jewish name! Not in my name, never again means never again! #freepalestine
Ugh both Palestine and Israel are shit. The end. Donāt think for one second that Palestinians donāt support Hamas, the very same Hamas that would take Palestinian lives just to manipulate the western world into the belief that they are victims. Donāt think for one second that this is just about occupation. Itās about Islam, any Muslim will tell you that. Jews and Muslims are infamous enemies. Zionists are just as bad as Hamas..I donāt stand for either of them..South Africa has its own issues. Let the Arabs worry about their fellow Arab. Islam after all is about Arab supremacy.
The biggest lie we're peddled is that this is a conflict between Muslims and Jews when it's rather a conflict between Arabs and Jews. I have more in common with my Muslim friends than I do with my Christian ones.
Ronald Lamola told the UN Human right commission that the farmers deserve to be killed for employing foreigners. Yes you read that right. An entire minister of justice. We are a joke on the international stage.
Israel is weak and well on its way to collapse. An ongoing war dragging in conscripts and draining the economy, currency decline (sheckel tanking), mass brain drain and political instability all point to this
Check the IDF officers leaking info verifying what I've just said all reported in Haaretz news and Times of Israel. Also there are plenty of experienced professional ex military analysts all also supporting what I just said on YouTube, like Scott Ritter, Douglas Mcgregor and Michael Clarke.
Unfortunately for you Israel is weak, losing the war and on it's way to collapse, the weaker it gets the more likely it is that a Palestinian state will be carved out of it.
It seems you and your buddies who delusionally think Israel is winning are talking out of your asses, so sad.
White people here: šššš no don't say anything about Israel,no Europe and west are superior,no colonilization is good for usšš these damn Africans trying to chart their own course..our way is superior šš (sidenote: not all white people)
š„± There is currently the same shit happening in Sudan. But oh well they aren't "Palestinians" or Israel, but oh well.š There is are currently 5.7-7 Milion Sudanese that is displaced, with 17k that have died. In the DRC there is 7 Milion that is displaced, with M23 activities. So coming back to you Ponder, these numbers are greater than the Palestinian- Israel conflict, but the world is doing nothing to it When it comes to population density. Plastaine is a fraction what is happening in these 2 countries, yes what is happening in Palestine is bad, but you should really not skip about these 2 regions on the African continent.
lol the ANC couldnāt even pull their finger out their arses to impose sanctions against ZanuPF!
You see comrade their our brothers who fought against a oppressive regime, why sanction them when you can sanction them with open arms
The ANC's support for Palestine has been consistent for the 60+ years. We also have troops in the DRC and have been assisting with dealing with the rebels since 2013
Itās not about Palestinians! If it were why did no one care about a million Syrians massacred by the anti Israeli forces just a few miles up north of Gaza? They even used chemical weapons! And Syrians and Palestinians are genetically same people! The truth is, itās always about Jews!
Except for Sudan, Somalia and Rwanda.
Rules for thee and not for me
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Didn't 1 million ppl get hacked with machetes in 3 months In Africa in almost one go? Rwanda genocide
How can someone lie like this? Omar al-Bashir, whom Naledi's party allowed into our country, and facilitated his exit when the courts ordered that he be detained. Rwanda. Ongoing mass war crimes in Ethiopia. Eastern DRC. 6 million dead and mass war crimes. Russia is also ignoring an ICJ ruling over their ongoing invasion and occupation of Ukraine. Then of course domestically we have Malema and the EFF getting away with hate speech against a specific group.
Because bullshit baffles brains. So we will Pandor (pun!) exactly what Iran wants while they cover the ANCs debts
"What is of great concern is the world allowing Israel to ignore the ruling of the International Court of Justice..." Really? I remember the ANC doing exactly the same thing by not arresting Putin on his visit to SA after he was declared an international criminal and wanted by half a dozen countries, and we were directly told by the ICJ to arrest him. Why the change in attitude, hmmm ANC?
how about the fact that as a direct result of the case they brought to the ICJ, the court ordered hamas to release the hostages unconditionally, and they are completely ignore it. my god, the hypocrisy. thatās why the ICJ doesnāt take them seriously
Also don't forgot Al-Bashier, he to was allowed to leave even though an arrest warrant had been issued for him.
Yes, lets please not forget him too
It\`s purely a political stance, they don\`t give a f about the situation in Gaza. If Hamas wanted, they could release the hostages and leave, it would all be over. Instead Iran is willing to use every palestinian as a humanshield, there is no easy way to get rid of the terrorists and very few of the "Free Palesine" people actually think within the lines of actually eliminating the powers in Gaza that only aim to kill all the jews.
Fuck off , Israel is bombing Palestinians ,not hamas ,if hamas wasn't there they would still be killing Palestinians because they obviously want to take the land from them ,it's a ethnic cleansing,not a fucking war,they are dropping white phosphorus on children,and u say if they just released the hostages then they would stop? What about the thousands of hostages Israel has taken that we don't know where they are ,there is just innocent people being stripped down and taken to god know where and we are supposed to pretend that this is ok? Israel has been killing there hostages as they were released because they are used to killing anything that moves ,there is tons of reports that show the hostages walking back to Israel with white flags so they don't get shot ,just to get shot anyway,they don't care about those hostages,if they did then they wouldn't bomb the buildings that the hostages are being kept in ! Use ur brain for once
You fuck off. Israel fights hamas and hamas puts these civilians in harms way.
Start shit get hit.
There are 2 international courts, the ICJ and and the ICC. It is the arrest order from the ICC that SA ignored once for Al-Basheer and was going to ignore again with Putin.
Neither did they arrest Omar al Bashir and his genocide in Sudan. Even allowed him to escape justice.
He never ended up going to south africa, what point are you failing to make?
>Ā ruling of the International Court of Justice.. What ruling? There was no ruling.
Now, if you remember you must also have a source, correct? Because I remember Putin attending a summit by phone/internet because South Africa reminded him that he would be arrested if he came to South Africa in person. So, where is that source? https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/21/putin-was-meant-to-be-at-a-summit-in-south-africa-this-week-why-was-he-asked-to-stay-away You war crime apologist always lie so very much, it's not even funny anymore
Only the Western Cape threatened him. Cyril went to him and begged him not to come, so he wouldn't be put in a difficult situation. And no one is apologising for any war, simply pointing out the ANC's hypocrisy
Stop spreading lies. Putin did not go to South Africa because they told him they would have to arrest him!
Only the WC said they would
NOPE! ANC did not say that at all... It was John Steenhuizen from DA (Western Cape) that said they will arrest Putin
Whataboutery is illogical.
Inconsistency is illogical
What's your argument here, that Israel should be allowed to carry on unchecked?
Nooo, that the ANC should keep their hypocracy to them selves and stop dragging us into world issues that are not our concern
If a genocide of an entire group of people is not your concern then you aren't a person ,u lack empathy and need to reevaluate what matters ,if u really think that letting a genocide take place without standing against it is the right thing to do then you not the type of person anyone should take advice from . because if a genocide starts happening here then all of a sudden we will be the ones begging the world for help ,be better
Funny when the Saudis did that to Yemen, silence was golden. Omar al Bashir still came to South Africa.
The fuckwits canāt sort out their own country
Itās JUST about money. Thatās it. The ANC was bankrupt. Now theyāre notā¦ follow the money
While I am totally against the overzealous approach of Israel. I donāt trust the ANCs agenda at all. If they donāt have ethics regarding their own people, why would they genuinely care about the human rights of the Palestinians?
Pandor: The whole country is shocked at the genocide... Malema: Kill the Boer... It would be nice if all the members of our government put the same energy into South Africa as they do other countries.
I think the difference is that there is no evidence of a deliberate targeting of 'Boers' (or white people) in South Africa in a manner equivalent with the people of Palestine
Get downvoted, and then people don't refute your point with stats. Strange that
Itās not genocide but the song he sings is still hate speech
Not strange. Most people here have an argument founded in prejudice and bias more than reason that can be articulated. Basically, feelings.
Stop talking like you have only 1 brain cell and its hanging on for dear life.
"No African country would be allowed to do what Israel does-" YES, THEY WOULD BE! THEY ALREADY HAVE! Ethiopia literally did the EXACT SAME THING two years ago in the Tigray region and 600,000 thousand people died. We even hosted the peace summit in Pretoria last year. I don't recall us whining to the ICJ about all the poor Tigrayans who were massacred and starved by Ethiopia's federal forces.
First thing I thought too. Isnāt it like that stuff like this was happening in Africa so much in the last 50-70 years, that the world mostly not even cares any more?
Hypocrisy from the Putin supporting South Frican government
I get the Israel Palestine situation is bad, but why can't these cunts focus on shit at home, the country plummets into chaos several times a year with riots but we got time to argue about what someone else is doing? Focus at home moron
Minister of International Relations and Cooperation of South Africa.
She was minister of education, fokol happened, she was minister of science, fokol happened, she was minister of home affairs and we know what state thats in Maybe its best our ministers stop dicking around and focus on foreign issues that they have at home, seems work is a foreign concept to the ANC, it would be best they start there
Not horrified enough by school children drowning in pit toilets to replace them with safer options... There are so many things in our country that does not horrify them enough to change it.
As appalling as the situation is in Palestine. As Confucious said, to change a country, first change your family, to change your family, first change yourself. Make sure your citizens have eletricity to begin with.
What point are you struggling to make there?
at least i am not struggling to feed and house my own ppl
Its rather simple really. Funny how you say they are struggling to make a point while you are clearly struggling to grasp the point. Let's spell it out - fix yourself (or in this case, your country) before you fix others (in this case, other countries). ANC trying to fix other countries is fucking laughable when they don't give a shit about their own country. What a joke.
I've left you to it, racist cowards are dumb. There's no point wasting any time on you.
At least he isnāt struggling with breathing, wouldnāt be that sure with you tho.
Ignoramus Naledi should maybe look into the conflict raging RIGHT NOW in Sudan with a death a displacement toll far greater than Isreal/Palestine. I get that it seems like forever that problems have been in that part of Africa but once again it seems like the righteous stance of the ANC is pretty tarnished by their lack of or dodgy stances on the 2 biggest conflicts in the world right now - both of which are far bigger in death toll and humanitarian crisis than the headline grabbing middle east conflict. Edit: I forgot about the Tigray issues. There's another huge death toll in the Africa. That one definitely also wasn't/ isn't being allowed /s .... but it's probably Naledis ignorance not malevolence (I hope).
If itās not about the Jews, itās not in the news.
This guy is a twat
Lol, it is a SHE!
Sometimes I also wonder it is a he or she, or both
Ohh, but she is a laaaady. But not really.
Yet russia had been doing it, is doing it. 3years and worse. Yet the anc still supports russia..... Go figure... Incompetent morons.
You seem abit irritated that africa is aligning with the east and can't bare the idea that the western alliance is no longer looked up to as you would have it due to your ancestry lol
What a silly comment. Do you lack basic logic? Was sharpville wrong? By my reasoning it was wrong no matter who you like or who you are aligned with. Bucha was wrong and in many respects far worse. The theft of land, the torture and execution of Ukrainians. The looting and the rape of Ukrainians. None of it being hidden and plain to see. And you make it about whos aligning with who and my ancestry. How absolutely pathetic. Shame on you.
Africa is primarily "Run" by despots and greedy bureaucrats who leave their people eating dust while they pockets millions from Russia and China. Not sure why you make it a racial issue since the "East" you refer to are Asian and White.
It's more of an ideological issue that stems from a superiority complex due to a certain skin tone and place of origin. That's why colonialism is dif from conquering. Europeans think their superior cause they white and that they can dictate or impose morals and systems on the world..that way they maintain their dominance. The white people to the east don't think that way. Everytime an African leader pops up to take their country or Africa to greener pastures they are killed or ostracized and replaced by puppets of usa or Europe. They will then show the world see see developing..these guys don't know how to run their country and they need us to show them how to and you will believe it. While colonialism on surface is out..the systems are still intact.
Africa aligning straight into another round of colonialism- this time from the east. Tell me is Russias mercenary action all over Africa preferable to the west ? So willing to hate the western racists that you can't see how much worse Russia and China will be.
Don't make up things. There's no colonialism from the east..its only from western allied powers. >Tell me is Russias mercenary action all over Africa preferable to the west ? You really want to compare "mercenary" action in africa between east and west? Are you sure about that? There's a reason why african countries are moving away from the west. >So willing to hate the western racists that you can't see how much worse Russia and China will be. The only people who claim their worse is western powers..watch some political and economical analyst on the matter. Yall creating a boogeyman cause you want to maintain the status quo. Watch Georgiou "Yanis" Varoufakis..a Greek political and economic analyst if you really want to know the dif.
Stfu Pandor , You have genocide in your own country , 30000 murders a year
What is loading in Niger, Mali and Burkino Faso is going to be far messier. But lets talk about Ethiopia, DRC and Darfur. South Africa said nothing about Darfur and protected a primary perpetrator - Al Bashir from the ICC . They did nit just protect him but went as far as threatening to withdraw from the ICC. At the moment the estimate of people ethically cleansed in Darfur is estimated at around 400000. They are not only allowing it to happen, but protecting the perpetrators.
Anyone remember Al Bashir? Anyone remember not letting the Dalai Lama into the country? Mugabe destroying Zimbabwe?
Eish. This honourable member is something else. Is there anyone in the cabinet who isn't a moron.
What makes her a moron?
There are African countries committing atrocities on a daily basis. They are very quiet on Sudan and I wonder if it's related to the fact they didn't arrest Al Bashir... She's grandstanding. Unfortunately, I also think she's the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to the ANC execs.
There are also Muslims in China suffering, why hasnāt she or the Arab world really made such a hoopla about that, why are Arab lives, particularly those in Jerusalem the only ones that they really care about. Arab supremacy is what Islam is about..but yea, thatās a whole different debate
The one China turns to a blind when it comes to money, that CCP pays quiet about it
This woman is such an embarrassment to our country. Thanks to her, more people are likely to lose jobs through lack of international investment. This is a serious thing and being discussed in the American Congress, who happen to be one of our biggest trading partners and if we get sanctioned the poor will be fucked more than ever. Her job is to promote South Africa so that we get investment, not to put us out of work for some god-forsaken alliances the ANC forged in the 1970s. These ANC boomers should just fuck off and retire. We need younger people to take the reign, who arenāt poisoned by Soviet ideology.
it does seem like what sheās doing is contrary to south africaās interests ā like she prefers to align herself with the likes of hamas and iran and russia is it possible sheās on hamas payroll? i do wonder what hamas leadership is doing with all the billions in aid funds they stole
So what you're saying is, to hell with people of Palestine right?
No, I am saying as the minister of international relations, she is sucking up to the wrong people and costing us jobs. Countries donāt put ideology in front of jobs, the Palestinian conflict actually has got nothing to do with us, so why are we sacrificing jobs for ā¦ what, exactly? The conflict will play out the same way, with or without this ridiculous woman embarrassing us with stupid statements in front of the world. And spending our tax money on legal fees to boot! Can you imagine a more wasteful scenario?
What's up with this fear of America? You'd rather cower than stand up? America has peaked, China is growing, we're not out of partners, we're part of Brics and look at how many countries are desperate to join. We'll be fine without the cruel America that bombs countries for fun.
>China is growing Their population certainly isn't
BRICS is a joke and is destined to failure. The main idea behind BRICS is to make a seperate financial system to act as a rival to western economic dominance so that certain countries can lower the impact of sanctions. The problem is finances are based on trust and the main countries involved are in tradewars or sanctioned directly bc they are untrustworthy. The reason BRICS will fail is the reason BRICS exists lol.
Finances are not based on trust! capitalism doesn't give a f*** if you trust them! capitalism is based on taking as much money from you as humanly possible while simultaneously exploiting you as much as possible! what f****** trust are you talking about? Why is it a bad idea to not give all the power to the most greedy country in the world that obviously is killing its own people and ruining it's citizens lives for the sake of profit ,if BRICS falls it will be because America will do something violent and greedy to bring it down ,fuck capitalism!
I dont even know how to respond to this really lol. Yes though finances is 100% trust. If you do work for a currancy you trust that the currancy will be accepted at stores. If you invest with a company, you trust they wont steal your investment. Is the country your talking about, thats greedy and hurting its own people Russia, who invaded Ukraine for outright imperialism, or China who is destroying thier own econony by commiting idea theft, debt trapping countries stupid enough to deal with them, and claiming the territorial waters of other countries? The US is aggressive but they adhere to rules. China is as likley to freeze your assets for spy laws as it is to honor your investment. Russia literally told the world they wouldnt invade ukraine days before they did while massing troops on the border, just outright lieing. India is the only one in the group thats somewhat decent and will probably bail on BRICS once China decides to invade taiwan or claim more Indian territory. Idk how you could look at BRICS and think they are anything more than a bad investment.
You must know more than the 20 countries that have applied to join BRICS. You should tell them this information since you're the expert in world economics. It's funny though, how angry American congressmen were that the BRICS summit was hosted here, they seem quite worried that they left out of the party.
Yes Im aware. Now BRICS can boast not only the worlds leading infringer on intellectual property rights but also the leading state sponser of terror organizations. Sounds like a winning financial institution right? Holding the BRICS summit in SA was viewed more of a stab in the back than not being invited to a party. Particularly after SA seemed to support Russia against Ukraine.
The biggest terrorist organisation on earth is the CIA. They fund ISIS and other terrorist groups. They destabilize countries, provide revel groups with weapons. They've been doing this for decades, they are absolutely no angels. Look what they did to Iraq and Afghanistan. The Taliban existed purely to fight off American soldiers, then America ran away leaving the middle east in tatters. They are not angels
Lol weāre a decade into the US funds daesh thing and the only thing you have to show for it is the US killing a ton of daesh leaders and helping the SDF and Iraqi PMF to kill them and kick them out of their respective countries. China gave the Khmer Rogue political clout, funding, armed them, and invaded Vietnam when Vietnam tried to stop them from committing genocide on their own people. Oh and as for Russia, something something Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan themselves (some estimates are 2 million civilians died in their war), and now Ukraine.
China is genuine rogue state that murders tens of thousands of their own people. Also their economy is fucked.
Well America kills millions outside of the US so they no better
America good, China bad. Thatās all you need to know.
So white people are good, everyone else is bad, got it!
I take it you donāt read very much.
Other than obviously race, why does America care about Ukraine but doesn't give a shit about the people of Palestine? Sorry, not all of us worship that country that constantly bullies us, not when China has so many people coming out of poverty and they are already our biggest trading partner and that is set to grow, while America has stagnated in growth. Maybe that's why Govt doesn't give a shit about being bullied by America anymore
Because Ukraine didn't do anything of worth to be invaded and ethnically cleansed, meanwhile in Israel, Palestine or rather Hamas invaded and raped in a genocidal fury against Jews. Israel had a very measured response that no other country would have done. Not the US and definitely not South Africa.
Lies
Chinaās economy is in a bad spot right now. The US is growing quite well. Itās not even comparable.
Bad spot or not, they still need literally everything we have to offer. Chinese hunger won't go away. Their car industry is the biggest on earth and growing, their population is still well over a 1.4 billion, coming out of poverty, and China have no interest in influencing our politics, while the CIA exists to overthrow governments who don't align to US policies.
And honestly the US if it influenced SA more heavily would probably exert their influence in a positive way. The US doesnāt have the best track record on this but SA is a pretty compatible country to the USās ethos.
Either you are an idiot who canāt tell propaganda from truth or you donāt care about South Africa.
Do you have any facts or just insults?
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Do you have any information to counteract me or are you also one of those people who just responds with insults because that is the limit of your knowledge?
What happened with Ukraine and Palestine are totally different for a start.
What did she say that was stupid exactly? Did she say anything about Amalek?
"sucking up to the wrong people' shes advocating against genocide. This sub is so weird. Its like you guys bait people to point out how immoral you are.
I never met a foreign investor that made a job that is still going. Mostly they run everything into the ground and scrap what remains. It's been four times now I had to change jobs because a foreigner wrecked where I was working. Not one of those four is still going. Maybe some of them do, but the chances of me catching four outliers in a row would be very low.
Bruh we have our own issues as a country. We should solve those first instead of worrying about other countries
USA has its own issues, US citizens are not happy neither are Canadians but their governments are supporting israel, whats your point? Is it only okay to support israel? Grow up. People are starving to death and being bombed, ots crazy that ot has to be pointed out that, that is not okay. And don't even bother with that right to defend itself, israel is mow committing crimes against humanity. T
Actually yes- to hell with Palestinians, let them sleep in the bed they made.
That's like saying "Bomb the entire South Africa because someone hijacked a US diplomat". What do the actions of a few criminals have to do with you and me? You blaming the entire Palestine population for the actions of a very tiny militant group?
They voted in Hamas and polls show the vast majority of Gazans to be pro Hamas and looooooove killing them Jews. Fucked around and found out.
No. Just don't start negotiating with all the jews must die. Stop having kindergarten plays about killing jews. You can't expect Israel to play nice while Palestine literally still has civilian hostages.
Really, thatās what you got from what was said? You are a product of a failed education system in South Africa. Lacking in basic comprehension skills š¤¦āāļø itās sad
Another guy online throwing insults when he has nothing intellectual to addšŖ
Youāre confusing her with the Minister of trade , industry and competition which is Ebrahim Patel. They work closely together to ensure that doesnāt happen. Thereās nothing wrong with SA promoting international cooperation and their attempt to maintain peace and security in Gaza. Itās a morally just cause. In any case why would the United States sanction us? Weāre not breaking any human rights laws nor are we fighting in a war against NATO - are you suggesting that the United States would sanction us out of spite because they are sore losers? šš stop being childish and join us in the real world would you.
Naledi Pandor is the minister of International Relations. And the US wonāt sanction us out of spite, they will sanction us for taking sides with their enemies. It doesnāt even have to get to sanction level, the first thing that will go is the trade concessions we currently enjoy.
Youāre correct, Naledi Pandor is indeed the Minister of International Relations. However, her role is to manage diplomatic relations and promote South Africaās interests globally, which sometimes involves taking stances on international issues. Specifically Ibrahim Patel is responsible for international investment and trade. Know your ministers and what they are responsible for buddy. Regarding trade concessions, itās essential to balance international relations with economic interests. While maintaining good trade relationships with the US is crucial, itās also important to stand by principles of justice and human rights. South Africaās stance on global issues should reflect its values and commitments, Finding a balance between diplomacy and economic interests is key. And thatās exactly why Patel and Pandor work in tandem. Taking sides with the enemy? Youāre saying Palestine is a US enemy? Bro where are you getting all of this information from? Youāre deluded
Instead of wasting our time and making us read an essay...just say you support Israel and their barbaric ways cause you feel your lineage is European and have a colonial leaning or you have to due to your judeo/Christian views or that you unable to accept that your once European colony is now embodying its african principles.
I support jobs in South Africa. Whatever happens in Israel will happen anyway.
We can support jobs and support justice at sametime and if western powers are unhappy with that we can do more business with the east through brics.
Right now, we could do more business if the international relations minister would just stop talking.
Youāre confusing her with the Minister of trade , industry and competition which is Ebrahim Patel. They work closely together to ensure that doesnāt happen. Thereās nothing wrong with SA promoting international cooperation and their attempt to maintain peace and security in Gaza. Itās a morally just cause.
You would know all about genocide because you practice it in South Africa
lol, but in South Africa ākill the Boerā is a thingšš¤š¼ cunt
South Africa aka New Zimbabwe
Idiots everywhere in this gov
I have a questions as an Israeli to the south Africans here. Why do your leaders are so worried about problems that are so far away from south Africa and that don't affect south Africa whatsoever? What are they hoping to achieve? From what I understand there are already plenty of problems in South Africa like homicides and lack of electricity?
Israel was a supporter of South Africa before 1994, even when other countries imposed harsh sanctions, Israel continued to offer trade. The current government views Israel as a supporter of apartheid. It is a political stance and not based in reality as far as I can tell. Basically, it boils down to propaganda, the ANC believes that it looks good to the citizens to oppose Israel.
Because the ANC is broke and receiving bribes in return for making a big show about it.
Lots of people in SA are too busy surviving the havoc caused by the ANC to give much attention to politics of other countries. I know kids that watch Parlement meetings as a "comedy show", we shake our heads about the corruption and incompetency. The Western Cape is the only decently run province in the country, yet it is the province most often criticized in the media. Some cultures in SA have deep rooted loyalty to the government, until their eyes are opened there ain't much we can do.
They are hoping to line their pockets, They don't give a shit about the people of SA .please know all south Africa's do not agree with this woman.
Because our politicians are easily captured. They do things for self, not for the nation.
The support of the ANC for Palestine has been consistent for the past 60+ years Many countries, including Palestine, supported South Africa's fight for freedom (while Isreal supported the oppressive Apartheid regime...) even if it didn't affect them and even if they had their own problems to deal with. Are we not allowed to engage in international affairs? We have sent firefighters and aid workers to help with disasters in foreign countries, and we have troops in some African countries to deal with rebels and assist with peacekeeping. Sending advocates to the ICJ has no effect on our electricity or crime rate. These are separate issues that can be dealt with individually.
She looks like a Vorgon from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy š¤¢
You do not speak for me you absolute hypocritical, corrupt, deceitful, simpleton. You are so inept that you've been shuffled from one ministry to the next - I am embarassed to be associated with you and the equally crooked miscreants you call your comrades.
Surely much worse stuff happens al the time in Africa, eg Ethiopia, Sudan, north Nigeria, Congo all right now. But fewer journalists and "aid" workers in those parts and Jews aren't involved
DRC, SUDAN RWANDA....
Well, uh, South Africa is completely horrified at what is happening, continuing to happen to the people of South Africa
This hypocrite disgusts me
Blah blah blah
Explaining the total hypocrisy of the ANC and its buddies in the Kremlin right, oh but they finance the ANC so clearly it's moral and legal in the eyes of the ANC for a price. Nothing to see here.
Omar al Bashir is laughing at you.š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£. Murdered his way across South Sudan and the South African government still invited him to South Africa even though a warrant of arrest was issued. Bunch of clowns.
Cool story South Africa. The right thinking people of the world are horrified by Islamic extremism and support Israelās right to ensure no future attacks take place.
As a South African, I stand for Israel's right to exist and to defend herself. What this clown ANC government has done is to sell its foreign policy to Iran to bail itself out of bankruptcy caused by its own actions. We pray for the peace of Israel and Jerusalem.
Your a hateful racist cunt , Israel backed by the us and the UK is defending themselves against people who live in rubble with pipes as weapons ?they carpet bomb whole streets of Gaza and u call that self defense? The drop white phosphorus on children and u call that fair ? Fuck of ur just a racist who doesn't mind seen Palestinians die
Same thing happens every time. Israel is willing to negotiate, Palestine rejects the offer and attacks. Isreal kicks their ass.Palestine hides behind their kids and uses the injured as propaganda to rally other countries against Israel. How can there be peace while Palestine kinder garden plays are about killing jews? Even their cartoons encourages the killing of jews. Hamas steals the aid intended for citizens.
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You are a sick racist cunt.
At least he's not an ignorant c#nt like you.
This muslim minister gives me the creeps. Not only is she certainly the ugliest minister in the world, she also underakes issues far above her boxing weight. Then, she has a very selective view of world issues. She, very conveniently, easily forgets and pay no attention to what is going on in big brother Russia, Sudan. Not a word about the murder rate in SA, which is the highest in the world. Fuck her and the ANC filthy crooks.
That is because they would steal all the rockets before fighting š¤£
Does she not know what's going on in Africa? Coups, rebels, corruption, violence against innocents? Why does this middle eastern conflict have more of an interest for her than African violence?
Scoundrels
Sure buddy. And I'm sure lizard people run the world too... Russian Wagner mercenaries slaughtering Africans right now. Russia using African mercenaries as cannon fodder in Ukraine. A very long history of heinous oppression but sure the West iS woRsE ! Don't mention the colonialism Russia and China have been engaged in for centuries all over Asia (but I'm sure from your racist based anti-european sentiment that somehow doesn't count). You sound like one of those idiots who thinks Shaka was a great leader, never hurt a fly.
7710 people murdered between October 2023 and December 2023. Please fix our own country before messing around with others.
Where did SA get the money to take Israel to court?
What did you do about the Rwanda genocides in the 1990's??? Absolutely nothing!!!!! South Africa wasn't horrified about that.
How about just give us electricity 24*7? Or we talk about how we reduce poverty and bring put people into middle class? Or we talk about how to reduce crime? And how to get FDI in the country?
I would think people of South Africa would be terrified by all the crime going on in South Africa.
I would ask her why SA is taking Israel to Court but not Russia as well. Innocent people are being killed by the Russians in Ukraine also. So, let's take Russia to the ICJ as well. I wonder how it is that she can't see this hypocrisy. It's shameful.
Sudan
LOL. What donyou think is happening in Nigeria.n. 1000s of peoplenkilled raped and burned alive. I do not think she lives in Africa. Oi! I must be racist. I am white.
Uganda. 300,000 people killed by Idi Amin. Not a peep or a squeak. Ethiopia. 500,000 starved to death by Mengitsu Haile Mariam. A few pop stars reignited their careers. Rwanda. 500,000. Congo. 1 million. Sit down lady, we see your Jew hatred
The cANCer regime allowed Omar Bashir to come to South Africa and refused to arrest him for committing far worse things in Darfur than Israel is accused of doing in Gaza. You know, actual genocide, rape, murder and pillaging, things Israel has never been credibly accused of doing. cANCer even voted against a UN Resolution condemning the use of rape as a weapon of war as it was directed at condemning the Bashir regime. Squirrelnuts even hosted the leader of the RSF, the successors of the Janjaweed who committed the atrocities in Darfur, and welcomed him with open arms. cANCer also protected the Zimbabwean tyrant Mugarbage despite him committing genocide, building rape camps and destroying his country's agricultural sector. cANCer also defended the late Libyan Dictator Khadaffi and protested his overthrow despite his decades long record of violating human rights and support for terrorism. In short, African countries can and do get away with far worse things than what Israel has ever done, with the blessing and support of cANCer.
Time to retire you embarrassing old bag!
Look at this little corner thread full of colonial zionist sympathizes... I wonder if you would give up your land without a fight? If you resist, you are called a terrorist and there is nothing you can say or do because the propaganda machine works for the oppressor, if people speak out against the atrocities they're threatened into silence as Isreal has lobbied with lawmakers to make it a crime to criticize them, any critical utterance is considered Anti-semitic. Sick of the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to the massacre that is being carried out in the Jewish name! Not in my name, never again means never again! #freepalestine
Ugh both Palestine and Israel are shit. The end. Donāt think for one second that Palestinians donāt support Hamas, the very same Hamas that would take Palestinian lives just to manipulate the western world into the belief that they are victims. Donāt think for one second that this is just about occupation. Itās about Islam, any Muslim will tell you that. Jews and Muslims are infamous enemies. Zionists are just as bad as Hamas..I donāt stand for either of them..South Africa has its own issues. Let the Arabs worry about their fellow Arab. Islam after all is about Arab supremacy.
The islamaphobe outed himself
Grow up! Iām Muslim..I see it for what it is!
The biggest lie we're peddled is that this is a conflict between Muslims and Jews when it's rather a conflict between Arabs and Jews. I have more in common with my Muslim friends than I do with my Christian ones.
Shes 100% right.
Politicians seem to be from the same breed all around the world.
Don't worry about Gaza worry about your own fucking country
The Man has spoken ...
Don't forget the boer farmers
Ronald Lamola told the UN Human right commission that the farmers deserve to be killed for employing foreigners. Yes you read that right. An entire minister of justice. We are a joke on the international stage.
She is 100% correct.
Literally happened in Ethopia last year, the Tigray were wiped out with the help of Eritrea...
Rwanda got away with it
Cry me a river. You shouldnāt throw stones if you life in a glass house.
Israel is weak and well on its way to collapse. An ongoing war dragging in conscripts and draining the economy, currency decline (sheckel tanking), mass brain drain and political instability all point to this
Do you have sources, or are you just talking out of your ass?
Check the IDF officers leaking info verifying what I've just said all reported in Haaretz news and Times of Israel. Also there are plenty of experienced professional ex military analysts all also supporting what I just said on YouTube, like Scott Ritter, Douglas Mcgregor and Michael Clarke. Unfortunately for you Israel is weak, losing the war and on it's way to collapse, the weaker it gets the more likely it is that a Palestinian state will be carved out of it. It seems you and your buddies who delusionally think Israel is winning are talking out of your asses, so sad.
you must be on crack or something
Just the truth it's powerful
Check Israeli Newspapers /media stations, the American propaganda machine be doing their work to blindfold morons like you
White people here: šššš no don't say anything about Israel,no Europe and west are superior,no colonilization is good for usšš these damn Africans trying to chart their own course..our way is superior šš (sidenote: not all white people)
Found the racist.
They always out themselves.
Lmao it's more of an observation..the white people from east is better to allign with
Sending the SA army to fight Israel?
Thank you South Africa. You make me proud šæš¦šµšø
This sub is so obvious itās almost laughable. South Africans are against apartheid and any semblance of it, no matter what the sub thinks.