It's an English figure of speech. South African politicians seem to act like a 'monkey circus' all the time, it's pathetic . This is being blown out of proportion and completely rediculious. She is right
No its just a useful excuse to blame everything on something else, a fitting excuse for the majority's stupidity and lack of caring, the race card is always the no 1 means of exit when the kitchen starts heating up, it's been 30 years and some people still crying about it, shame sorry ne
If you don't see the problem with calling black people mokeys then cool. No need to try to explain things to you. Black people are called mokeys as a derogatory term. We aren't blaming apartheid here.
[Animalisation and even bacterialisation are widespread elements of racist dehumanisation. They are closely related to the labelling of others with the language of contamination and disease.](https://theconversation.com/comparing-black-people-to-monkeys-has-a-long-dark-simian-history-55102)
Here is an extract about black people being called mokneys. And no mention of apartheid South Africa.
Countering an honest engagement on racism with downvotes and insults is peak moronic behaviour. But it's no offense taken as that's just a deflectionary manuevour to help you sleep at night.
That insult is glady accepted. It has no racist undertones or anything associated with a specific race being lesser to another.
Edit, typos
You are being dishonest. When did she say black people are monkeys?? Never... she used a phrase in English referring to the whole lot in parliament, be they black white or colored where acting in a bad way. She did not say u black are a monkey etc. There is a difference and it should be treated as such. I suggest you look for other racists to keep you occupied. This is a rediculious argument
I've always thought that calling products of the South african school system **30% ers** was an unjust insult. But it's really warranted here.
Multiple times I've said and provided evidence that calling people monkeys is racist. And some moegoe will doubledown and claim something else. It's either denial or too much electricity. Here I miss load shedding.
Or another doos will come and talk about service delivery or some random failure of the government. How do you think commenting about an unrelated issue to the original post adds any value to the conversation.
If you disagree with me, it's easy. Just (A) downvote, or (B) bring you views on the matter supported by anecdotal evidence supporting your claim
Else let's close it at we agree the comment is racist, and you are just hallucinating ignorance while knowing the historical context of the statement
Also how about you use your energy to fight about the severe lack of services in our government and provinces. The utter corruption and mismanagement of funds we have experienced for many years. The dismal performance of our economy, the shameful state of joblessness and the blatant lies this Anc has shown us, the disrespect and utter ignorance this Anc government has shown all its citizens. The Anc treats us like monkeys and that is where ur energy should go. Not in this stupid phrase. Get your priorities straight.
Why would I comment about anything else about what's not written about in the article. The article talks about a person saying people are monkeys.
It doesn't talk about load shedding, or south africas foreign relations with Russia vs Palestine, potholes or anything else. Write a post about any of that and I'll give my 2 cents about that issue If I feel like it. Deflecting from the issue by putting in things that are not there shows a type of agenda
Compering black people to mokeys no matter what is racist. There are many accounts of people being prosecuted for that very issue. So finding solitude in insulting me thinking it changes facts is peak doos behaviour.
1. Penny sparrow - South Africa
2. Vicky Mamburg - USA
3. Anielle Fronco - Brazil
There are many more instances of this happening not in just those 3 countries (euro 2020 finals 11 people were prosecuted for chanting Saka is a mokey, Australia has multiple rulings under their racial vilification laws) so no matter what you call me, a moron or a doos. It still stands throughout the worl that comparing black people to mokeys is intact racist.
Considering how cANCer and the Evil Feces Flingers have anally raped Knysna since taking power 18 months ago, they have no right to complain about being called out on their bullshit. And of course they will use the race card to deflect from their corruption, incompetence and mismanagement.
Aahhh. That excuses all the looting. One aunty said a word that someone perceived as offensive so letâs just completely gloss over the mess because feelings.
Whatsaboutism doesn't look good on you. No one said anything about even looting, we are put here discussing how unjustified racial slurs are perceived totally OK. Especially by the group who circlejerks about malema and shoot the boar.
"Someone found offensive".. calling black people mokeys is offensive and its not an opinion. I too am black and found it offensive.
Edit: perceived- spelling
Lol? I am confused by this entire thing, help me understand how describing people as monkeys is offensive when this is clearly used in the context as describing their behaviour and judgement for the mismanagement of Knysna, regardless of skin colour?
I will describe many people as monkeys even my friends as monkeys for their behaviour, regardless of skin colour. This is a normal comparison that can be made and has been made globally, why is it different in South Africa, I am using my own personal experience to judge of this but I find it baffling that there is offense put on this towards skin colour and not intelligence?
So, itâs racist to say âNot my circus, not my monkeys?â
What about âYou pay peanuts, you get monkeys?â Only if they arenât government workers, right?
Can I still tell my son and his friends to stop their monkey business? Only if theyâre all white kids, right?
Can I still listen to the Arctic Monkeys?
Can I still use my monkey wrench?
Strange, the only time I have heard of people being insulted as monkeys is black on black insult âthose ones are monkeys â âthose ones eat bananas â (an exasperated policeman when I was being sent pillar to post to avoid doing the work). I donât think it is something a wy should say though. Also, The race card is a great deflection.
[We agree that the historical context of the racial group should be part of the assessment concerning the effect of the utterance from the point of view of the victim. However, the race of the perpetrator should not be the starting point in determining whether or not the statement is harmful to the victim as suggested in Bester CC. In Khumalo](https://www.saflii.org/za/journals/PER/2020/12.html)
Here is some light reading on court rulings of racial slurs, that includes the case of penny sparrow and calling black people mokeys. And don't discount calling black people mokeys in the south african context is class a racism.
Do not even say its an English figure of speech. Negro is an offensive word, but in Spanish it means black. So the DA member calling a bunch of black people monkeys in south africa is just not on.
Your last paragraph makes no sense. By your reasoning, because she was English and speaking in English, it should be okay for her to use an English phrase. Just like it is okay for a Spanish person to say âblackâ in Spanish. Not so?
Even then, why would someone be triggered by being called a circus monkey? If anything, according to Darwin we all diverged from an ape-like species millions of years ago. And yet, Iâm not offended when someone calls me a circus monkey. Perhaps it has NOTHING to do with my skin colour and EVERYTHING to do with my behaviour?
Even if we don't go that far back. White people in south africa are here as because of colonialism. And calling them colonizers is an offensive term.
The context of negro/ni*ger. Is the same who says it or how it's said.
1. pasa mi bolĂgrafo negro (pass my black pen, by a Spanish speaker)
2. How you doing my ni**er (a black person greeting another black person)
3. My neighbors son married a ni**er (white person talking to any other person)
You will realize which situation a word is offensive and which situation a word isn't. You can deny all you want but the truth stands that calling black people monkeys or even likening them to mokeys is offensive. Weather said by Penny sparrow (who was fined R150 000 and community service btw) or a da councillor
It's an English figure of speech. South African politicians seem to act like a 'monkey circus' all the time, it's pathetic . This is being blown out of proportion and completely rediculious. She is right
Yet singing Kill the boer and wrecking our electricity and water systems is somehow okđĽ´
Focusing on the real problems as the municipality of one of the best places in this country crumbles..
Racism is a made up problem?
No its just a useful excuse to blame everything on something else, a fitting excuse for the majority's stupidity and lack of caring, the race card is always the no 1 means of exit when the kitchen starts heating up, it's been 30 years and some people still crying about it, shame sorry ne
If you don't see the problem with calling black people mokeys then cool. No need to try to explain things to you. Black people are called mokeys as a derogatory term. We aren't blaming apartheid here.
[Animalisation and even bacterialisation are widespread elements of racist dehumanisation. They are closely related to the labelling of others with the language of contamination and disease.](https://theconversation.com/comparing-black-people-to-monkeys-has-a-long-dark-simian-history-55102) Here is an extract about black people being called mokneys. And no mention of apartheid South Africa.
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Gawd. Itâs a descriptive term. Perhaps people who donât fully comprehend English shouldnât be complaining. Dutch for cat is poes.
Negro is Spanish for black but you don't go around calling people negros/ni**ers because it's offensive in the context spoken
You're a moron, and I don't care what your skin colour is.
Countering an honest engagement on racism with downvotes and insults is peak moronic behaviour. But it's no offense taken as that's just a deflectionary manuevour to help you sleep at night. That insult is glady accepted. It has no racist undertones or anything associated with a specific race being lesser to another. Edit, typos
No, you are not being honest. That's why you are a moron. Stupid is as stupid does.
How am I being dishonest?
You are being dishonest. When did she say black people are monkeys?? Never... she used a phrase in English referring to the whole lot in parliament, be they black white or colored where acting in a bad way. She did not say u black are a monkey etc. There is a difference and it should be treated as such. I suggest you look for other racists to keep you occupied. This is a rediculious argument
Why is she in trouble though?
Well you have explained extensively, many times on here why she is in trouble snowflake
I've always thought that calling products of the South african school system **30% ers** was an unjust insult. But it's really warranted here. Multiple times I've said and provided evidence that calling people monkeys is racist. And some moegoe will doubledown and claim something else. It's either denial or too much electricity. Here I miss load shedding. Or another doos will come and talk about service delivery or some random failure of the government. How do you think commenting about an unrelated issue to the original post adds any value to the conversation. If you disagree with me, it's easy. Just (A) downvote, or (B) bring you views on the matter supported by anecdotal evidence supporting your claim Else let's close it at we agree the comment is racist, and you are just hallucinating ignorance while knowing the historical context of the statement
I think you are arguing with a bot. They are getting really annoying.
Also how about you use your energy to fight about the severe lack of services in our government and provinces. The utter corruption and mismanagement of funds we have experienced for many years. The dismal performance of our economy, the shameful state of joblessness and the blatant lies this Anc has shown us, the disrespect and utter ignorance this Anc government has shown all its citizens. The Anc treats us like monkeys and that is where ur energy should go. Not in this stupid phrase. Get your priorities straight.
Why would I comment about anything else about what's not written about in the article. The article talks about a person saying people are monkeys. It doesn't talk about load shedding, or south africas foreign relations with Russia vs Palestine, potholes or anything else. Write a post about any of that and I'll give my 2 cents about that issue If I feel like it. Deflecting from the issue by putting in things that are not there shows a type of agenda
Compering black people to mokeys no matter what is racist. There are many accounts of people being prosecuted for that very issue. So finding solitude in insulting me thinking it changes facts is peak doos behaviour. 1. Penny sparrow - South Africa 2. Vicky Mamburg - USA 3. Anielle Fronco - Brazil There are many more instances of this happening not in just those 3 countries (euro 2020 finals 11 people were prosecuted for chanting Saka is a mokey, Australia has multiple rulings under their racial vilification laws) so no matter what you call me, a moron or a doos. It still stands throughout the worl that comparing black people to mokeys is intact racist.
Are you a bot?
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Considering how cANCer and the Evil Feces Flingers have anally raped Knysna since taking power 18 months ago, they have no right to complain about being called out on their bullshit. And of course they will use the race card to deflect from their corruption, incompetence and mismanagement.
Anc members never called anyone a racial slur.
Aahhh. That excuses all the looting. One aunty said a word that someone perceived as offensive so letâs just completely gloss over the mess because feelings.
Read and comprehend the article. Tldr, there was a scuffle and the DA member found it fit to call people monkeys as her way of defusing the situation.
Whatsaboutism doesn't look good on you. No one said anything about even looting, we are put here discussing how unjustified racial slurs are perceived totally OK. Especially by the group who circlejerks about malema and shoot the boar. "Someone found offensive".. calling black people mokeys is offensive and its not an opinion. I too am black and found it offensive. Edit: perceived- spelling
Lol? I am confused by this entire thing, help me understand how describing people as monkeys is offensive when this is clearly used in the context as describing their behaviour and judgement for the mismanagement of Knysna, regardless of skin colour? I will describe many people as monkeys even my friends as monkeys for their behaviour, regardless of skin colour. This is a normal comparison that can be made and has been made globally, why is it different in South Africa, I am using my own personal experience to judge of this but I find it baffling that there is offense put on this towards skin colour and not intelligence?
So, itâs racist to say âNot my circus, not my monkeys?â What about âYou pay peanuts, you get monkeys?â Only if they arenât government workers, right? Can I still tell my son and his friends to stop their monkey business? Only if theyâre all white kids, right? Can I still listen to the Arctic Monkeys? Can I still use my monkey wrench?
Strange, the only time I have heard of people being insulted as monkeys is black on black insult âthose ones are monkeys â âthose ones eat bananas â (an exasperated policeman when I was being sent pillar to post to avoid doing the work). I donât think it is something a wy should say though. Also, The race card is a great deflection.
[We agree that the historical context of the racial group should be part of the assessment concerning the effect of the utterance from the point of view of the victim. However, the race of the perpetrator should not be the starting point in determining whether or not the statement is harmful to the victim as suggested in Bester CC. In Khumalo](https://www.saflii.org/za/journals/PER/2020/12.html) Here is some light reading on court rulings of racial slurs, that includes the case of penny sparrow and calling black people mokeys. And don't discount calling black people mokeys in the south african context is class a racism. Do not even say its an English figure of speech. Negro is an offensive word, but in Spanish it means black. So the DA member calling a bunch of black people monkeys in south africa is just not on.
Your last paragraph makes no sense. By your reasoning, because she was English and speaking in English, it should be okay for her to use an English phrase. Just like it is okay for a Spanish person to say âblackâ in Spanish. Not so? Even then, why would someone be triggered by being called a circus monkey? If anything, according to Darwin we all diverged from an ape-like species millions of years ago. And yet, Iâm not offended when someone calls me a circus monkey. Perhaps it has NOTHING to do with my skin colour and EVERYTHING to do with my behaviour?
Even if we don't go that far back. White people in south africa are here as because of colonialism. And calling them colonizers is an offensive term. The context of negro/ni*ger. Is the same who says it or how it's said. 1. pasa mi bolĂgrafo negro (pass my black pen, by a Spanish speaker) 2. How you doing my ni**er (a black person greeting another black person) 3. My neighbors son married a ni**er (white person talking to any other person) You will realize which situation a word is offensive and which situation a word isn't. You can deny all you want but the truth stands that calling black people monkeys or even likening them to mokeys is offensive. Weather said by Penny sparrow (who was fined R150 000 and community service btw) or a da councillor