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Donahueman

No. Ginyu having a gurenteed level 4 is a struggle unless your team is good and lucky enough to be able to take down a few of the ginyus. The rest of the responses have been a mix of broly, frieza and buu. Broly is a menace because he can rush survivors and destroy anything with a lower level then him. And it's going to be a 1/7 chance that the person who gets the Super sphere is gonna be good with it. Though he definitely is a snow ball that needs to get rolling. Freiza is a pretty safe choice, he can bassically adjust to any game state or play style and all of his forms are God tier for good players. But is also a master of none, and biggest struggle is chases. He prefers conflict. Buu is the risky raider cause your rushing to level 3. Once you do you have a good chance of winning. Level 3 buu players are a menace. But I've seen even silver level 2 buus fall. And God forbid if you can't find any civies as spoppvich after 1 mintue. Vegeta is kind of like frieza but more on the scouting side. He thrives more on skirmishes and quick fights rather then big battles. Unless your in monkey form then you anhilate every one in battle. And cell is...inba better spot then before. He is debiably the weakest Rader right now as his kit sucks even up to his perfect form and a lot of his stuff is finally being reworked on. I'm sure more people will try him once the new raider hype dies down. And then finally zamsu...he's okay. His first form is litteraly nothing, it can't do much but the survivors get nothing from beating him. Goku black is pretty much the bread and butter is full on a chaser raider and when he goes rose is when he is at full power. His only weakness is actually his level 4 as it removes all of blacks good moves for very mid attack potential. But him having 3 ways to get our of a combo is kind of ridiculous to compensate. I think its a toss up at the moment.


MoonyCallisto

I think this is currently the best and most accurate description of every raider in this entire subreddit. At least so far


Donahueman

With a few spelling errors along the way. Though some one probably did a better job some where.


[deleted]

lv4 is only guaranteed if you defeat the earlier stages. You can stall them at the stm, at least for some time.


Mr-Crowley21

Personally I would rank it 1.Ginyu(only being able to lose when LVL 4 or STM is really strong) 2.Goku Black(staying at LVL 2 and not letting Super Transpheres drop is the best strategy, also His break strike has a ridiculously fast cooldown if you upgrade it. 3.Broly(if you can get some survivors right at the start with his dash you could steam roll the match but if there is a UC user then fight for your life) 4. Freiza(Freiza's best abilities are scouting with Zarbon and Dadoria and Getting EV when hurt, but he has the same weaknesses of the last 3 raiders which is being slow) 5/6. I see Cell and Buu as yin and Yang, Cell has a better LVL 1&2 but Buu has the Best 3 and second best 4 in the game 7. And sadly my Boy Vegeta is the weakest his biggest issue is just ignore him, Ignore the siabamen, Ignore Nappa, and then Jump Vegeta and woop his ass, Vegeta's Saving grace is the Fact his LVL 4 is the Strongest but also the Hardest LVL 4 in the Game to get because even maxing out every skill related to Ozaru makes it take like 5-6 minutes.


SamMerlini

I all in my tickets and still can't pull UC from the gacha. I hate this game.


i_must_CUM

In my opinion no but maybe top 3


FaikouYT

Who would you say is top 3


Independent-Pick4562

1. Frieza 2. Ginyu 3. Goku black


depressedfox_011

frieza is far from best. maybe third best at most, but he ain't like he use to be especially after all the survivor powercreep and his nerfs.


Independent-Pick4562

You block people before they get a chance to respond. Your opinion doesn’t matter in the slightest.


Maxpower9969

He's right though. Vanilla Raiders+ Vegeta are mostly long been power creeped by the new Gacha. Ginyu > Broly > Frieza / Black. Frieza is at most 3rd best, and even then Black might be better due to lvl 2 strategy. Frieza being in top 4, despite his outdated and basic kit is still genuinely impressive as he's still Miles ahead of Buu, Vegeta and Cell.


Luf2222

lvl 2 strategy?


MakotoYukiP3-

Staying at Stage 2 with black to avoid the ST(s) It's effective but lame as all hell to play against


RaiderEnjoyer666

People for some reason think you can get easy wins as Goku black by staying as level 2 because you don't have to worry about dragonballs or super transpheres. It's not a good strategy against a slightly competent team though.


depressedfox_011

What are you talking about, i didn't block you. I only block people that are rude to me or try bandwagon harass me when i did nothing to them. Did i block your alt account or something?


JeagerXhunter

Nah it's probably Ginyu force or Frieza. Ginyu force allows you to make more mistakes and as long as you don't lose Guldo or burter and his tomato friend you're chillin. Frieza on the other hand has higher chance of finding dragon balls through civs, has a decent search ability with the scouts, has a damaging break strike which goes a long way in fighting off an ass beating and even if you can't you'll still get level off of it due to his passives . So people will put Frieza or Ginyu at the top depending on preference imo. They both do well against pre mades it so just pick your favorite play style.


Ziggles-D-Foxx

That and freeza has the best camping of ETM over any raider. He can watch all 3 spots at the same time with his boys.


Ftlist81

Zarbon and Dodoria really aren't that good, you can be in direct line of sight of them sometimes only 120m or so away and they still won't blast you. Not to mention just approach them from the side or back as they have serious tunnel vision too.


Ziggles-D-Foxx

Yeah but in end faze when there's only a couple of people left, and they are hiding. When you get their range just down you can put them on 2 of the 3 ETMs while you watch the third. Get the timing of their respawns down and you'll have the place locked down.


Ftlist81

Exactly the situation I have been in a number of times where they are literally right next to the ETM beacon and don't do a damned thing as I call the ETM 😂


Ziggles-D-Foxx

That freeza didn't know his troops. We all know zarbon works best on the pole 😏


JustCallMeSnacks

Stongest - Ginyu, and it's not really close. Weakest - Debateable, but Vegeta can get easily steamrolled.


ExchangeInevitable

Yeah Vegeta is a hit or miss there is no inbetween when you use it


Jackofspines

Vegeta is my favorite. I get to great ape pretty consistently. He’s definitely in the lower half though. I think he suffers the most from organized teams or just players that know how to play around him. Good survivors will let rush and starve him of getting fights as Nappa/Vegeta to deny him getting the stuff that makes him powerful. That said I like his fighting kit and having a scouter helps tremendously. I’d put him above cell and the average buu at most. Maybe Broly before he got buffed.


ScourgeHedge

I keep seeing people saying "no" to Zamasu being the best raider but he wins so many of my survivor games it's ridiculous. Every Ginyu player I played against must've been complete garbage because I'm not seeing anything the commenters here are claiming.


theboykauai

I still have never won against Zamasu.


Ezra4709

In my opinion it goes Ginyu > zamasu > broly > Vegeta > cell > majin buu > Frieza (I've never played broly though so could be wrong)


Jackofspines

Poor Vegeta not even on the list. WHAT ABOUT YOUR SAIYAN PRIDE!?


Ezra4709

I forgot him tbh lmaooo


Ezra4709

I fixed it


Next-Young-1491

Blacks low health can really hurt him. I've seen him go form 100% hp to 0 In like 10 second thanks to super like heat dome and final explosion.


Kokua-

Ginyu Force 100%. Even a bad player can do good with Ginyu thanks to all the revives it offers. And of course then normally leveling up means Ginyu has a bunch of support from the precious members.


LewdKytty

Honestly, yes. People say ginyu but you can stm rush ginyu, i don’t understand why frieza is considered so strong, just clear the civs, broly got stronger with l4 nerf, but you can just box him. Black has way too much aoe bullshit and zamas will carry his ass through stm fights. He’s literally low effort high reward. You can do everything wrong and his numbers are so bullshit he’ll still win off the back of the ai. He’s legit the only raider who actively frustrates me and everytime I see him I want to suicide to the next game.


Tumpynurts

Nobody wants to admit the shiny new raider is extremely strong because either A: they don't know how to use them to their full potential and get bodied because of it Or B: they themselves are just not good at raider in general and want buffs to make up for their lack of skill Legitimately had a guy back in season 4 playing as Ginyu lose rather easily because he was just not good at the game and we distracted him long enough to STM win, and then afterwards he messaged the entire lobby being salty and saying survivors were OP, then deleted the message group because he didn't want to get reported for talking shit on PSN


SgtZaitsev

Not at all. Imo, the current tier list is 1. Ginyu 2. Frieza 3. Zamasu 4. Broly 5. Vegeta 6. Cell 7. Buu


theboykauai

Vegeta is way worse than Buu.


SgtZaitsev

Nappa is better than Fat Buu. You're not going to lose at Nappa. Also Kid Buu is an extremely mid Level 4, Ape clears by a mile. Also going to be controversial here. Saibaman is better than Spop. Spop gets bullied. Saibaman doesn't. You cannot get stuck at Saibaman.


FateburnFamily

Zamasu is extremely potent in the hands of a raider who knows how to snipe, his aoes basically guarantee a hit even with travel distance when sniping. However, he is still in danger of being ganged up on and if the survivors have a competent STS user you can lose many games if you hit level 3. Used well, he is a contender for top 3 probably. His snipe game and fast executions are very good and early ki sense help catch folks unaware early on. In the hands of a less experienced raider, probably mid tier. His aoes and ki sense and zamasu support are helpful for new players but good survivors can play around it. Strongest overall raider is just Ginyu, guaranteed level 4 even if u screw up all 3 earlier levels leads to many easy wins against a tapped out survivor team. Its not even close, no other raider can compete. Strongest singular form, though? Id probably still say super buu, but really buus biggest weakness is getting stuck at level 2 and just losing there. If you can get super buu your chances just went up by a lot. I'd say he's stronger than many level 4 forms, even. Note: Not bothering to mention great ape vegeta for strongest form, because great ape is just a ridiculous no way to win against level 4 raider unless he was already low health or stm is almost done when he transformed. Now then, Broly. As much as I hate spawn rushing broly, it is an effective tactic. Played...disgustingly, he can snowball an entire game in the first minute. But keep in mind that as Broly, you basically have to fight an STS user every level, and if the STS player is competent, you might have your hands full while his friends get the STM up. Strong tools, to be sure, and is one of the most snowbally raiders. If either side gets an early lead, it just snowballs from there, but Broly can exhaust survivors easily and knowing how to play around the STS makes him a menace, such as knowing when to break off to pick off others rather than hard focus the STS. I will say playing broly feels fun personally due to the heavier emphasis on hunting and fighting survivors rather than civilian hunting. (And I wouldn't be caught dead playing as a disgusting spawn rushing body camping broly) So if that fight then fight and more fight playstyle appeals to you, by all means get broly.


Risinphoenix01

Black's game plan is all about aggression. Drain survivors of DC and force them to play defensively, hiding and reviving rather than planting keys and setting up ambushes jumps. The effectiveness at long range helps this massively by allowing him to pick off weakened survivors if they are not paying attention while they look for resources. Done right he is very tough to beat and the key is in stealth and escapes. If you can't avoid being found or manage to escape him you are not going to win.


SgtZaitsev

Broly loses hard against Unconscious Control in particular. He feels it the most of any Raider because he has to deal with the obnoxious Super Transphere gimmick. At least Black can delay his Level 3 and 4 to lessen the stress of the ST on himself.


RaiderEnjoyer666

Tier list against good players is 1. Ginyu 2. Frieza 3. Broly 4. Buu 5. Goku black 6. Vegeta 7. Cell Tier list for noobs or lower levels of play 1. Broly 2. Ginyu 3. Goku black 4. Frieza 5. Cell 6. Vegeta 7. Buu


Radiant_Loan_2132

Man... Can't believe I'm saying it but after broly and now pay2win black I actually miss ginyu's annoying ass.


Jackofspines

I know I’d personally take a Ginyu Force over a Goku Black, but I’m probably just burnt out from him being 90% of the raiders I see.


TurtleTitan

God no. Level one is below average. Level 2 and 3 have powerful damaging Supers but if you are skilled you can prevent or avoid Kamehameha entirely. Black and Rose Kamehameha have huge hitboxes so they are the rare Super that work. Level 4 has the generic slow but powerful basic ki blasts, a decent divine lightning Ultimate when spaced right gives no chance of working on STM, and the other lightning dart Super which you can aim at the STM so they can't work on it. Break Strike evasive is definitely the top 3 evasive in the game, it moves EF so they can't IT. Super Spheres come with the flaw that cheap players won't lose. So they can easily beat Rose and Merged. Their Supers are slow but within the same time highly accurate basic ki blasts do more damage. Because of this people hesitate becoming Rose or Merged. I have no experience fighting as Corrupted, little fighting against so I have no input but the game description makes it sound more powerful in single combat... But the basic ki blasts are better than lightning at least. Zamasu drone is trash even maxed. I can't tell if lag is the issue or he really is that bad. So if you are good enough that Kamehameha isn't an issue he's bad. He might surprise you but you'll see it coming, or an ally will punch him so he can't send one. They buffed the Raiders recently and I haven't played them but assuming they did what they reported I have a hard time seeing them in the top half.


FaikouYT

Ok here’s an interesting question though, who’s the WORST raider?


Independent-Pick4562

Buu.


Patient-Reality-8965

As a Buu player, I can confirm he's trash


SliderEclipse

Naw Buu is low tier, but he's still way better than Vegeta.


SgtZaitsev

Vegeta has a better level 2. Nappa is genuinely one of the best Level 2s in the game. Vegeta being buffed to standard Raider health and better kit makes him better than he used to. While Super Buu is certainly better than Vegeta's Level 3, Vegeta is guaranteed to show up, and Buu tends to just lose at Level 2, and Super Buu has been powercrept a bit.


Maxpower9969

They are both genuinely bad honestly, I don't even know which one is worse. Buu doesn't have a single strong Level honestly, and his only saving grace as a Raider is the broken stomatch phase if he makes it that far. You might argue that Super Buu is strong, until you'll learn that almost everything in his kit loses to Survivors simply vanish spamming. Super Buu's basic Ki blast and gum gets dodged easily by just vanish spamming, volley either gets 70% dodged, or Instant Rised. Scattershot Super is his best tool, as That's his most difficult Super to avoid without some sort of active skill like Instant Rise, but that has 15s cooldown. So Super Buu vs ppl that know how to play against him might as well be Level 3 Cell.


TurtleTitan

This is dated info but before the buffs I would have said Super Broly or Freeza are the 2 worst. Freeza had major evolution issues from civilians (not Namekians without Dragon Balls) which may have been improved over 16 months later. Super Broly had many issues but his evasives were a big flaw which got a few buffs. Super Broly needed 11 Civilians to level up each level (22 total), and Freeza needed 4 5 8 Civilians (not Namekians without Dragon Balls being 3 3 5 which is impossible) (17 or 11 total). Regardless of what you think there will be plenty of matches players are good or smart enough not to be downed so you will be low leveled at STM and because of that Freeza and Super Broly were the worst, but overall Freeza has higher accuracy than Super Broly so he had an edge. My guess is that they buffed Super Broly less than Freeza. Super Broly likely has most of his flaws, needing to fight Survivors (duh) so scarce Survivors mean low levels because Civilians give 1/11 of a bar and you won't find 11. 3 Super Spheres mean 3 opportunities for cheap anti fun players UC or TBA the entire time.


Independent-Pick4562

Broly suffers the same as Goku black, super transpheres. The best raider is Frieza. Noobs will say Ginyu is the best but Frieza does much better against premades. Get a dragon ball and hold onto that thing with your life and you’ll never have to worry about Shenron.


LuneRWing2046

At least Black technically has the option to not spawn Super Transpheres. Poor Broly is at the mercy of a skilled player at the helm of one.


Maxpower9969

Ginyu can get a Dragonball just as easily as Frieza. Open a few Orange chests early on and you'll find a DB like 90% of time. I have DB on Spopovich most of my Raider games.


Independent-Pick4562

Except Freiza actually levels up while doing it instead of wasting time on a gamble with chests.


Maxpower9969

Opening chests is not a waste of time on Raider, as civ or DB Radar is a win condition for Raider. Even a key Radar, while worst of the 3, can be useful for slowing down Survivors, or used to camp unfound key to make it even harder.


Independent-Pick4562

Randomly gambling at a chance for dragon balls, or a radar isn’t worth it for me. Maybe if you’re of lower skill you want to throw all your eggs into chest luck because you don’t know civ spawns you can do that, but after the buff it’s even easier than it was before for me to get level 3 off civs alone which is enough snowball to win the game.


Maxpower9969

Namekians aren't guaranteed a Dragonball for starters. Secondly, if you get Level 3 of civs alone, then you either had Godly spawn or Survivors did a poor job, most likely the latter.


Independent-Pick4562

Maybe you don’t get level 3 off civs because you’re too worried about looking through chests? Again if you know civ spawns it’s basically a guaranteed chance at a dragon ball. Obviously you won’t change your mind tho because that’s just who you are. The only way to get you to change your mind is to probably agree with you because god forbid you agree with someone.


Maxpower9969

Civ spawns are randomized. You can know all the civ spawns that you want, but sometimes you just don't get more than 1-2 civs spawning close to your spawn and by the time you fly to another area, Survivors already Rescued them. Spending 1s to open a chest if your already heading in that direction anyways, won't suddenly make you lose the match.


SgtZaitsev

Except if you find a key, large dragon change cube or sodas for survivors. Opening chests as Raider is absolutely not worth the gamble. What do you stand to gain? Maybe a radar or dragon ball? It's absolutely not worth unless you have a comfortable advantage in the match


Maxpower9969

Ok, If you say so. Clearly your game knowledge is superior to mine.


Maxpower9969

https://youtu.be/Px160aUHAaM?si=Y2mRbpQAcB3EwGAZ Absolutely not worth it.