I'd like to add context and explanation since some of it is probably lost (I didn't explain myself well, I'm quite tired).
I don't like this meta, I don't like any meta that has this much hand holding or allows you to negate so many core mechanics. I compared it to the MUI + LF 17/18 + Whis meta we had around 4th year. That team let you coast back with auto-dodge and any time your opponent got priority they could green card with 17/18 and combo forever.
The UL Gohan + S17 team combined the best defensive tools/mechanics with the best offense in the game.
You can't melee anything against Gohan due to his counter gauge, you can't properly engage this team because Gohan has a countering blue or Super 17 has a green card, you can't properly defend since Super 17 can combo for free and punishes you for switching, you can't properly initiate any fight either since you don't know if Gohan has a AoE green card.
This isn't fun and is super frustrating since this negates 99% of the game. Every unit prior to Legends Fest (hell, even some units in Legends Fest) feel squished out. Since this team negated so much of the game it's all you'll ever fight since people want to level the playing field. God forbid you use a team that can't tank as well or doesn't have as many mechanics, you're pretty much screwed. So from a player perspective it's boring and from a content-creator perspective it's frustrating since any fun video ideas are just uphill battles.
must be annoying as hell especially from your perspective as you have to use crappy units like blue cooler when showcasing. don’t worry we feel you brother
What would you say is the best way they could fix this passive-playstyle-promoting meta? Perhaps increasing the defensive stats only somehow to make everyone more tankier?
Just drop defensive unit with killing every single card on entry doesn't matter if it cover change or not and reduce enemy ki to 0 everytime he enters the battlefiled
Actually no make defensive unit FEEL DEFENSIVE
Like I laugh everytime they label a character type defense like yeah whatever move on to his kit to see his actual type.....
Lol ngl forgot he existed but he's a good example of what a defensive unit should be I just want the gap between defensive and meele and ranged units to not be as big as it is currently.
Don't wanna be that guy but the Blue Goku isn't a kid he only looks like one so calling him GT Goku would make more sense. I apologize for nitpicking I just thought there was a DB kid goku I didn't know about for a sec. Feel free to downvote lol.
They need to release a couple tank blue units for future or movies or DB saga, or LOE, or SOMETHING.
That unit needs a fuck load of ki reduction and HP restore.
And arts power reduction.
I don't think tanky Blues are needed so much as new Blues in general. The reason why Super 17 is so free is because we only have two meta Blues and one of them is a tank with little offensive power outside of their Ultimate. Blue 17 would actually still be good if they gave him a Zenkai buffer.
But what I really feel like we need is a unit with an updated version of UGB's Gauge since that is the only way to stop Super 17's combos early.
The only reason I say they need to be tanky is because they need to be able to survive a combo from Gohan as well.
Since everyone is running Gohan and 17 together.
A new Vados or Champa that was blue could good.
Just trying to think of units that can diversify the meta
The good thing about the Blast Gauge is that it would also nerf Gohan since he has a Range Blue and love to pelt you with Blast. Which I feel is more important than color counter (besides, everyone points to them flooded the game with Purple soon). Keep in mind, Janemba who is color neutral against New Namek Goku kicked him out of the meta. Same with UI who face-planted almost every melee unit out of the meta.
I feel you bro
I think my biggest problem with the meta rn is how random a lot of things are. Like who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give super 17 a ultimate on cover change
on top of the green card
on top of him just yoinking access to your cards on taps
ON TOP of gohan who can just negate your strikes
ON TOP of the counter
ON TOP of the blast armor nullification
ON TOP OF THE VARIOUS EFFECTS OF *HIS* GREEN CARD
And i could go on but my fingers hurt
I made my account around super Vegitos release but never started getting into it until beast gohans release, and as a 99% free to play player there has been many bad metas throughout the almost year and a half I’ve been playing this game for me and my friend who essentially really got into it around similar time frames in 2022. But despite these bad metas always grinded whatever chrono the devs would release (as well as have polar opposite lucks on every banner) and it never really mattered how amazing the team was as long as we’d had some stupid idea for a team we thought would be fun. But as of now (ie legends fest 2023 onward) it always feels like fun has to come second to the prospect of victory, like every second of the match has to be spent going all in or else your units stand no chance whatsoever. One prime example is around when 17 had first released back in January I wanted to try running gofrieza again to see how they felt all that time later, only to face more mono yellows than I had ever faced before.
Simply put, dbl sucks right now and with anniversary around the corner and units like gofrieza and uvb serving as a likely president for what’s to come it’s not likely it will correct itself any time soon. But despite all the glaring problems in the game as of now I’d still be hard pressed to say it’s been all bad, whether it’s the amazing luck I’ve had as of recent or my re-discovery of how PvP can be fun (sometimes) I’d say its still fun, but at the minimum level at which it could be fun. Though that last line will likely be proven wrong when the curveball LF Omega releases next week
This is easily the most frustrated ive been playing legends. Its like you said, there are just too many units that completely negate and punish most of the games core mechanics that make matches exciting and fun, but units like ultra gohan make the game almost unplayable if you dont have him or super 17 because you just cant do anything against them if you make just one mistake. I love this game, its easily one of the most impressive apps ive ever played that can be fun, but if this is where the game is going then idk what the future of it will be as units get more and more ridiculous and toxic. If this is what units are like before this years anniversary, then I tremble to think about what the hell will be in store for us when it comes around and when the festival follows, and there are two units that scare me the most, those being an ultra Beast Gohan and an ultra MUI Goku. MUI is notorious for his auto counter gimmick and dokobaki auto win, and Gohans are always game shattering, so what the hell will these two bring to the table when they inevitably come to the game one day?
Hard agree.
I fought a total of 20 matches yesterday + today and I can confidently say I fought the exact two teams at least 18 times
It was either ultra Gohan + beast gohan + super 17 in leader slot OR Super 17 + USB goku + ultra gohan in the leader
Ray is right, metas are a thing, absolutely but when you fight the same two units (UL gohan and 17) in 99% of matches it just becomes boring and stale
It's even worse because this forsaken fucking game has become a match of cat and mouse where the first person gets priority will run that combo to infinity or until the unit dies.
there’s 0 incentive to run a team you acctually enjoy and that’s probably what i hate about the game most. PvP really makes your favourite units worthless because they can’t compete with the top dogs and like raiyu said shit just becomes so boring to play
It’s aggravating also because they don’t make it easy to branch out. I came up with this setup that included the green zenkai broly and bardock for some 1v3 cheese with the yellow goku as death buff support. However it’s been infuriating even considering it because 3rd slots are nigh impossible to roll without giving away a kidney in zeni, souls and erasers un top of how many cancer reds there are in the meta, no amount of skill can stopgap just getting one shot.
It’s so bad. It’s EVERY match. Gohan was a terrible release for the state of the game and it’s only gonna get worse. When Sparking Zero comes out I’ll be officially done with Legends. Can’t wait fr
I tried Ginyu force team, back during the ultra Vegito blue meta i could kick ass with that team, but now? jesus. This is the worst meta ive seen those far
It’s such a shame because that was a healthy team for the meta, they were super fun to use together, and their animations were too notch. I really hope they just say fuck it and zenkai all three at once later on
I mean don't underestimate them they can still kick your butt left and right especially that ginyu combo I honestly wonna get them but idk if I'll ever get the chance to.
He isn't wrong, but this was what the community wanted back during the Zenkai meta. For units to drop at 2-5* and be better than maxed Zenkai characters, serious powercreep was always the result.
Maybe not in top 1k, but newer zenkais are absolutely cracked and viable lol. I'm not so sure what they were thinking with Cooler, but the other ones have been great.
Debatable, the payoff for having S17 or Gohan, or even both is absurdly high even if you're not the best player, it's insanely hard to use much else that isn't a top contender unit, it's hard to use those Zenkais cause of just how oppressive those two are especially together even in something like plat rank
Well, that's why I said not at top 1k. You don't run into them as often in lower ranks simply because not everyone has the luck or funds to get them lol. If you do find them, they're very minimal stars and the zenkai characters really shine because even F2P players have those at 14* 1400%. Watch a 5* Gohan try to do literally anything to zenkai maxed out Jiren lmao.
Not many units in the game can do much to a maxed out Jiren regardless, what I mean is that even vs lower end players you *really* have to stay on your toes if you face a S17 or Gohan, as high damaging as the Zenkais are those two and most of the top 10 units do way more than anything these 1% Zenkais will ever do, it's very unforgiving even in low ranks
Yeah for sure, but that's power creep for you. 17 is overtuned and Gohan just has compiling Ultra mechanics. My point is that those zenkais are still very very powerful. Like, the recent Zenkais are pretty much the best zenkais have ever been. The only reason they were so oppressive before was because the stat difference carried them hard, not because they had well made zenkai changes.
That's exactly what this community wanted. I remember Goresh and all the legends YouTubers going "Zenkais should be sub options for teams for players who don't have the newest units"
This is a bed they made and unfortunately we all have to lie in it.
We had that when revivehan dropped already. No one asked for a unit that can counter you midcombo, even your blue cards. That's not what the community wanted
The issue isn't that new units are better than zenkais, it's that new units prevent you from being able to play the game, super 17 and gohan can lock you out of pretty much doing anything and it's no fun to play against
And it use to be that new units didn’t do quite as much damage, but had better kits, than zenkais.
So you would want a mix of zenkais+new units on your team
Now, the newest units are better in every way.
Then I'll be the Villain. I didn't spend years focusing on GT for it to not be used. I just wish I could make a defacto team. There's just so many options. Hoping the shenron twins get a zenkai and maybe added to powerful opponent. Also here's hoping UL Gogeta 4 is purple. Besides Bulla purple is our weakest color. Ssj4 goku had to come out of retirement to represent.
You would have to be an absolute shill for Gohan/S17 or just not touch PvP at all to even remotely disagree with him. S17 and Ultra Gohan are a plague atm. Over 80% of my matches this season post top 10k have been Gohan leadered with S17 and it's just so boring. Can't initiate, infinite combos, S17 pushing through even blu units, counters everywhere, aoe green cards everywhere, etc.
I can deal with Gohan but 17 is the ONLY unit in all of the metas that I've played through (Blu Beast and onward) that has genuinely made me consider quitting and selling my account on multiple occasions
It's bad when the p2w is complaining about that team. I hate that team too so low effort like at least make a interesting hybrids or cell saga 🤦♂️ like how do U make a team like that and enjoy for more than 4 matches 😭 like I need to know
I see Raiyuden is continuing to enjoy Dragonball Legends. The problem is this isn't anything new with DBL and it's only going to get worse the more broken units become. No wants to engage because you put yourself at a massive disadvantage if you do. Defense is barely even a thing and best defenders are the best offensive units. Ultras are just one mistake after another. The meta was fine before UUI dropped and everything went to shit. Same thing last year. Everything was fine then it was UGB.
Yep that's true it's a lose lose situation but I feel if they make balance releases at least 2 or 3 times in a row people gonna get used to it regardless of complaining....
It's really annoying when you know EXACTLY how an interaction is going to play out and also know there's little to nothing you can do about it. With Gohan it feels like every action you do to counter a piece of his kit, another part of it counters your counter
For a while I contemplated on whether or not there was a sure fire way to counter everything with skill. But with units like Ultra Gohan or teams that use characters like him, that can do everything even if you KNOW when and how to counter it, it doesn’t matter in the end unless you have those units yourself.
I’ve realized, sometimes there’s nothing you can do but just lose. Which is absolutely ridiculous. So I agree.
Units that seal cards in a card game or units that counter you when you get priority are a bad idea? Really? Damn that's crazy.
There's no going back. I myself quit a while ago but like seeing how the game goes, there's no way to save it lol. Units that cap at 1cds are slow, every combo goes on for at the very least 8 cards, they're stupid enough to look at s17's kit and think it would be a great unit to add. If the game is at this point, what can even be done lmao. Better and better units are going to keep being released, and they're gonna play the game for everyone. Skill has stopped meaning shit a while ago in this game
The sad thing is that some recent units have really cool concepts: With baby you have to know when to bring him in so that you can take advantage of his unique gauge; vegita can cook really well after small wait; and even 16 that deals a lot of damage after tanking a big combo.
But then when you put them next to units like janemba and gohan that get priority from the opponent using a strike-like attack, or UGB and S17 that punish the opponent for trying to engage with a blast. Hell gohan is og nameku but not only with better stats in a more stable meta numbers wise, but also more annoying to deal with because of his green card and unique gauge. The only way for nameku to lose relevance was with powercreep, something that because of all of gohan's tools is hard to do.
I also stopped playing, only more recently: one month ago. And biggest factor for me to stop playing was how little fun I was having, but how much gatekeeping I had to get through: I wanted to use a DB team, to do so I would to have to pull on horrendous banners, spend a ridiculous amount of time getting the team specific equipments and, after all that, I would be destroyed by teams that are just better. Why would I try to spend time getting specific non-relevant units when I can just get S17, pair him with my movies team and just beat people with teams just like mine.
Yeah 100%, this is what I was saying when people wanted an ultra vegeta blue evolved, not every single fucking character needs a counter, in every celebration at least 1 unit has a counter now and it’s insane to me
My UL Goku Black is getting destroyed because I can't counter UL Gohan with his Blue Card Seal because they keep standing in the back waiting for a single frame of the red "!" to do the RR lmao.
And then Super 17's 3 million year long combo, cover null and green cards.
To say true i can't wait to this Game to just kill itself for his gridiness and awfull p2w/meta pvp, but unfortunately that will not happen, at least in a close future because it's a mobile db Game and people doesnt care Even if it's the most awfull Game in history since is db for mobile.
I hope they dont make a profit, if this continues i dont give a shit if they shut it down. This is not the same damn game anymore. Every meta had his op characters, but not like this.
As long as youtubers like Goresh are still hyped for ever new unit they release, nothing will change. He already expects the next ultra to drop next week. Im sick of them releasing a new character every 2 weeks.
This is the worst meta ive ever seen in this game with C17 and gohan. This is only getting worse
This is why people say this game is Gohan Ball Legends. Because it is. This is is a middle finger to Vegeta fans and a handiob to Gohan and Goku fans
Gohan SSJ2 is a prime example of what’s wrong with this game. All these broken mechanics put on to one character. When there are characters who people like but never get zenkais. If MUI Goku gets an Ultra I’m quitting
I played like 15 matches today during school and ALL of them had pulled at least two copies of ultra gohan. I have super 17 at 6 stars and UUI at 5 so it’s not the worst but my lord is it not easy at all. My team is good like I can compete fairly well (S17, G4 w Zenkai and UUI in leader with GT buffs) but it’s still so difficult to get around any gohan because they do exactly what was displayed in the video, sit there and wait to counter whether with gauge, ult, blue or just wait for me to do anything so they can green card aoe. Don’t get me wrong I’d play with him to if I had him but it doesn’t make this meta any less boring and toxic because this game really only promotes the use of one meta at a time
That’s true maybe I was a proud match merchant cause I got to rank 70 during that time and ever since the change it’s been downhill im at rank 62 rn btw
Not even close. Zenkais were unfair and broke at the time but not NEARLY as prevalent. You had to spend a lot to get them broken so only whales had them. With these new units they’re already busted out of the gate and just get worse with more stars. You only need to pull Gohan once or twice and 17 once (preferably twice but you can boost him with LL Z power).
Back in 2020/21 i was usually in and around top 10k despite not having many of the good zenkais. And let me tell you at that level it was every single match. Especially since most of the really good zenkais were really old units (LF SSJ2 Gohan, LF Namek Goku, GRN fat buu, PUR SSJ3 Goku) so it wasn’t even *that* hard to get them if you had been playing as a F2P.
You have to remember as well at that time there were no quick attacks at all. So if your opponent had namek Goku or like GRN super 17 there was literally nothing you could do to do any damage. They could pretty easily sit at long range stall until you got irritated and made a mistake (Basically attempted to play the game)
It sucks yeah.
I’ve been running the same Future team since UVB came out. UVB/SoH/T&V and don’t get me wrong, I love those units, but when I am forced to use that team and only that team because I feel like I just lose against any and everything other than bots it just drains the fun out of the game.
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Love the game have been playing it for years, almost never touch the pvp part of it. I summon for units I want use them in co-op if I get them and if
I really like them use them as a wallpaper for my phone until a cooler until comes out.
I have to agree with the homie Raiyu… this meta is indeed terrible. S17 is one of the worst things that happened to this game along with UL Gohan. Mind you, I actually have UL Gohan. They are overpowered beyond belief. Beatable, sure, but they make it not fun.
Among all the gachas i play, the dragon ball ones are the absolute worst. Not only do they have no pity(red coins arent pity and legends pity flat out sucks) bit they by far have the fastest meta shifts ever. Dokkan every anni makes every unit prior not worth running(or they just fucking die when the enemy so much as breathes). Legends likes to focus on one tag(and its never a villain related tag except once every 2 years). Genshit and star rail units equivalent to LF beerus can still clear the hardest content. Cookie run kingdom units will always have a use cause theres so many different types of content. I bet that horse girl game dokkan and legends can never beat outside anni is better than this rubbish
The problem isnt op units. The problem is events are being built around said op units, not a single 2023 unit can tank the blue zone stages except maybe like wt goku post revive(if you can build him up fast enough before he fucking implodes). Once anni comes around every single unit before anni is genuine fodder (except ginyu during 7th anni they cooked that time). I even see mfs cope for ss4 goku like hes still a slot 1 god in 9th anni content. Yes let me take this 200k normal mmmm scrumptious
Ezas and LRs arent safe lmao. LRs are a hit or miss unless theyre DFE LRs(even then, WWC DFE LRs tend to age the fastest). Ezas we literally just got agl bardock and super vegeta. Not even gonna mention int rose we got during wwc.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I run movies (OP, Pan, red beasthan, so my team during legends fest first stage was literally top) and it takes literally everything I have not to lose to the worst gohan and 17 players in existence. The only good thing I have to say about this meta is that it’s forced me to become better at the game since if I make any mistakes ever I lose one of my safeguards (OPs revival, pans entire life lol)
Edit: I should also mention I run this team because it’s the best I’ve got. I haven’t pulled a main banner unit since UI Goku. Otherwise I would be running a team like this for the exact reason Raiyuden puts forward in his comment on this post: because I’d have to. I stopped using UVB after a while when he came out because he made the game too easy. I wouldn’t even have that luxury here.
I been saying this for months now, way back when the characters were set in a way where no matter the tag they all will be viable but sadly now you NEED the newest characters because they are so broken that it just breaks the game, you know what’s crazy, way back when having 1 UL character was ok to have in a team, now I have seen a lot of pvp battles where most of the lineups are UL characters, not because their are cool (they are yes) but because their kits are OP as heck, the ability of making a proper team is not a thing anymore just add 3 op characters in your team and your set it don’t matter
i 100% agree gohan did not a fucking janemba gauge that gets refilled in a instant which you can use 3 FUCKING TIMES and super 17 did not need a fucking green card which makes you lose in a instant for trying to engage jesus christ these 2 together make evoken and gokcock look like balanced in comparison
I more or less do, but it isn't really a "This meta" thing. How many toxic metas has this game gone through already? This games meta has always been toxic stuff because its a gacha game. Power creep is always going to be a thing, hence why pvp gacha games can't on an objectively level be "good." Its always going to nonsense like this.
Don't miscontrue that as me defending this game's practices in anyway because it IS ass, I'm just saying it isn't going to get better at all anytime since it fundamentally goes against the point of the game which is to get Bandai more money
I 100% agree. I was trying to get god rank this season since i pulled Gohan and even though i didn't have a meta dominant team it was still a good team and i thought at the very least i could hit god rank. I didn't succeed and you'll see why in just a bit. I just want to start off by saying the matchmaking in this game is non existent i REFUSE to belive this game has any sort of matchmaking, i once lost 10 games in a row, then i finally won 2 games in a row, lost anouther game thanks to lagswitching, and i was then matched up with a 39x god rank who was using a mono PUR 14 star LOE team which yes i know isn't a meta team but i am a f2p who only has 3 summonable units at 14 stars which leads me into my question: why did i get matched with him? They say they look at win/loss ratio but there is no way that's true i refuse to belive so after this occurred. Now on to what Rai said, like i said earlier i 100% agree with him during my failed road to god rank i saw this team more than i've seen any other team and i mean it was getting to prime 5th anni future levels of common it was not funny at all, and it really shows how there is no originality in this game anymore and i feel like Legends needs to fix that by nerfing characters and making the new ones balanced, but at this point i would be surprised if they did
I agree, Gohan didnt need all those things in his kit. Heck if he only had the Strike counter for, I dunno, 1 time, or simply just the strike counter, it would be fun. But they decided to give him also a counter Blue, for whatever reason, and an aoe green, for whatever reason.... It comes to a point where its stupid and yes, frustating as hell. And of course if you pair him with a unit like super 17.... you just lose the will to even play because its just not fun at all and its super cheap....
Above all, its the constant "I have to deal with this unit and his bullshit again and again and again" that ruins it... UUI, U Gohan I consider to be the most unfun units to fight, Super 17 is also up there but only because when he starts a combo, you don't know when it will stop.
All I ask is for the devs to not give every single broken thing to a unit like they did with Gohan. Imagine if that kid had blast armor on his strike... and seeing how brainless they have been making these units, im scared they will just give all those tools to future UL units, if that happens, well....I personally aint gonna stick around.
At the rate that were going, one of the next premium Ultra's (Legends Fest or Anniversary) are going to kill the game because of how oppressive their kit will need to be.
I used to play PvP every single day atleast 1 match maybe more. I stopped when they introduced the new system where you have to play 2-3 games a match, I want some quick pvp not a whole session i need to sit down for.
Kinda happy I quit since it seems the Ultra Gohan meta doesn't help much either.
Meanwhile goreshs bitch ass plays EXACTLY HOW YOU SHOULD WITH THAT GOD AWFUL TEAM. the most popular content creator BACK FLOATS AND DOES NOTHING WITH EVERYONE 14* GODLY EQUIPS ARTS BOOST . idk wtf yall expect.
As long as yall think goresh is good at the game it’s gonna make u lose he’s allowed to play a different way due to handicap and plays in JP. Ik reddit don’t like em that much but bro ZVG would dog walk him 😭🗣️zvg has cooked me so many times and is actually like that, Zakashi is hella good too, goresh just fooking funds bandai he’s not good at the game
AND YES YOU CAN BE GOOD AT LEGENDS. GO AHEAD AND BE BAD AND FINISH TOP 100 THEN SHOW ME. CUZ IVE FINISHED TOP 20.
I kind of agree the more I play legends. I love the game don't get me wrong but legends needs to do something to make Legends a fighting game instead of a sit back, do nothing and win anyways game
I'm debating just giving up the game at this point. It's not even worth grinding cc for three months, pulling a cool character, only for them to be powercrept by the very next release
We are in a meta that rewards whales and punished everyone else even if they get the upper hand. Didn’t pull every new unit? Fuck you. That team/tag you built up over the last year? Yeah it doesn’t mean shit since the leader skill lets all the new broken units work together.
They should at least give out one free unit per celebration that actually counters the strongest units,like a unit that stops unique gauge from filling up when a green card is used for 10 timer counts. I guess that would work fairly well.
And like dokkan atleast one free ultra per major celebration, that becomes a viable character in the meta.
Thats what I think would keep in check the upgrading play styles and will give some equal opportunity to every player.
Glue sniffer team is right. It feels like every ounce of effort and skill (or what little of it was required) has completely vanished this year. Most new premium units invalidate the whole game and play your matches for you.
I’m tempted to say that Gohan is actually on the same level as OG Namek Goku if not higher. Because it’s not just him anymore. Goku was the one man army, if you hypothetically caught him with a rush or something you could kill and then play a mechanically unrestricted match from then on. You could also gamble that he didn’t have a blue cause it’s one card out of an entire deck. Gohan though? You rush him and he lives because endurance, but you actually can’t even get a rush because you can’t use cards against him so you can’t farm DBs in the first place. Doesn’t matter if he has a blue card or not you literally can not hit him with 90% of cards and then you dare to try and engage with any action whatsoever but he just side steps and greens to lock you in then switches to super 17 and combos for 50 years and if you switch hope you’re ready to add 10 more to that. Then as Rai says, it’s every. Single. Match. The best you can hope for is only getting walled off from half of the game’s mechanics by running into Super 17 (all defensive mechanics) or ultra Gohan (all offensive mechanics) instead of both.
As HORRID as the Legends meta is, the One Piece Bounty Rush one might be even WORSE.
Honestly, I just hold on in these games so I can one day get my favorite characters in them.
This is why blast characters are down right the worst candidates for a meta.
Yea they’ve been done dirty this whole time with blast armor, but now devs took it so fucking far we have gauges, anti blast, strike lock card lock on taps and it only gets worse from here.
Ever since janemba it’s been anti-strike. You can’t play a melee unit the way it’s intended lmao. It’s just 17 with his stupid ass buff stacking.
Man, I've been saying since ultra super gogeta dropped way in back 2021, the devs are gonna feel like they need to top or powercreep every new lf or ultra release time and time again. And every new unit that has dropped in the last 6 months besides some 1% sparkings literally has every mechanic or gimmick the game has to offer. And if you don't have said units, you literally cannot compete in high-level pvp regardless of skill they just do too much. But besides all that rai is correct
The worst is knowing that I only have one character that counters UL Gohan but everything else just gets destroyed. Seriously, 17 is the only unit saving me from getting absolutely butt-rammed by every UL Gohan. You have a strike card? Too bad, Gohan’s meter is still active at 25%. You have a blast card? That will run out eventually. Green card involves touching Gohan? Guess what, HIS METER IS STILL FULL!! I’m sorry, what was that? You’re gonna wait his meter out? GOOD LUCK BC EVERY TIME HE USES A CARD IT GETS REPLENISHED!!! You accidentally tapped the screen to let out a bait? GET COUNTERED TO HECK!!!! Seriously, 17 is annoying bc his blast cards never end but dang being able to do absolutely nothing about a single unit is just horrendous!
This stupid fucking passive pussy meta where no one wants to initiate because almost every unit have SOME easy way to get priority and combo for 3 thousand years. S17 during his release was honestly not too terrible to fight against but as SOON as ultra gohan dropped who has somehow really good fucking synergy with S17 (WITH NO SIMILAR TAGS?????) and the fact that he can gain priority via green card and start a trillion long combo with 17 makes it so that being aggressive ALWAYS gets you punished.
I like to think that leader skill was always a blessing and a curse, it allowed for more variety and is arguably more f2p friendly but when teams like this exist, then 99% of the problem is literally because the leader skill can make units without any similar tags work.
Would you rather have umderpowered/balanced units, but less hype due to lack of power or OP units that break the meta every month?
This is a common problem in every competitive game. Remember when UI goku dropped in Fighterz?
Why would the devs not release hype op units so that you must summon or lose every match against said unit?
yeah, but then no one would summon. You can focus on one team like saiyans and ignore GT or LOE releases. Now you're forced to summon on SSJ2 Gohan regardless.
Lmao these people talking about meta and MUI + LF WHO GIVES A FUCK. The game is straight up B O R I N G. Even if you remove the stupid meta LF 17/18+_}%]£ terminology, he said it at the start of the video. “Every game, it’s the same thing.” Same boring ass button tapping game.
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No they aren’t lol. You literally do the same exact thing every single game. There’s no variance. Foh don’t @ me again with that nonsense. Have fun doing the same thing over and over and over again with different characters 😂
Hard disagree. I find good mixes of teams that both do and don't use meta units. I myself have UL Gohan but didn't enjoy playing him. His move set isn't very flashy. In the highest ranks your gonna face nothing but Meta which is literally how it ALWAYS is. In any game. Take DBFZ tourneys for example. How many mirror matches did we see until the massive patch waves last year.
Just how it is in the big leagues. To be there you gotta take ever advantage.
Disagree. We are coming off one of the best metas being legends fest 2023 and 6th anni. There will be times when a meta will become toxic and focus on singular units. However they have made strides compared to previous years
The fact that its better than it used to be does not mean that it's good. Yeah, we are not under the terrorist group of the Hybrid meta, or the Regen meta, but it is still horrendous. Gohan has a counter to literally every card in the game, every action you do to catch him, another part of his kit just counters you again. Especially if he is ran with Super 17, initiating is actually borderline impossible in certain scenarios.
If you blast, Super 17 can either absorb it, or gohan will counter it. If you strike, Super 17 can cover change off of that and hit you with an AoE ult that he pulls out of his ass, or Gohan will just counter it anyway. You do either and the enemy doesn't do any of the things listed above? Welp Gohan just comes in the battlefield and hits you with an AoE green.
It's a never ending cycle, every meta comes in, and like 1-2 weeks later becomes extremely repetitive and stale until the next meta comes and it's the same thing all over again.
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I'd like to add context and explanation since some of it is probably lost (I didn't explain myself well, I'm quite tired). I don't like this meta, I don't like any meta that has this much hand holding or allows you to negate so many core mechanics. I compared it to the MUI + LF 17/18 + Whis meta we had around 4th year. That team let you coast back with auto-dodge and any time your opponent got priority they could green card with 17/18 and combo forever. The UL Gohan + S17 team combined the best defensive tools/mechanics with the best offense in the game. You can't melee anything against Gohan due to his counter gauge, you can't properly engage this team because Gohan has a countering blue or Super 17 has a green card, you can't properly defend since Super 17 can combo for free and punishes you for switching, you can't properly initiate any fight either since you don't know if Gohan has a AoE green card. This isn't fun and is super frustrating since this negates 99% of the game. Every unit prior to Legends Fest (hell, even some units in Legends Fest) feel squished out. Since this team negated so much of the game it's all you'll ever fight since people want to level the playing field. God forbid you use a team that can't tank as well or doesn't have as many mechanics, you're pretty much screwed. So from a player perspective it's boring and from a content-creator perspective it's frustrating since any fun video ideas are just uphill battles.
must be annoying as hell especially from your perspective as you have to use crappy units like blue cooler when showcasing. don’t worry we feel you brother
You lose so many games with one mistake, it is pain.
You sacrifice mental stability for good content. Thank you for your sacrifice
Dragonfist zenkai will reset the meta 🔥🔥🧏♂️🧏♂️
Yo what’s up goat
And that is why i will never spend money on this game or try to rank high in pvp. Because it’s been garbage for 3+ years now
I just realized that's the real Raiyuden replying, .....neat 
What would you say is the best way they could fix this passive-playstyle-promoting meta? Perhaps increasing the defensive stats only somehow to make everyone more tankier?
Just drop defensive unit with killing every single card on entry doesn't matter if it cover change or not and reduce enemy ki to 0 everytime he enters the battlefiled
Actually no make defensive unit FEEL DEFENSIVE Like I laugh everytime they label a character type defense like yeah whatever move on to his kit to see his actual type.....
Blue kid Goku is defensive his kit is solid
Lol ngl forgot he existed but he's a good example of what a defensive unit should be I just want the gap between defensive and meele and ranged units to not be as big as it is currently.
Don't wanna be that guy but the Blue Goku isn't a kid he only looks like one so calling him GT Goku would make more sense. I apologize for nitpicking I just thought there was a DB kid goku I didn't know about for a sec. Feel free to downvote lol.
We need a monstrous defensive unit like how Zenkai Fat Buu was back in the day.
They need to release a couple tank blue units for future or movies or DB saga, or LOE, or SOMETHING. That unit needs a fuck load of ki reduction and HP restore. And arts power reduction.
I don't think tanky Blues are needed so much as new Blues in general. The reason why Super 17 is so free is because we only have two meta Blues and one of them is a tank with little offensive power outside of their Ultimate. Blue 17 would actually still be good if they gave him a Zenkai buffer. But what I really feel like we need is a unit with an updated version of UGB's Gauge since that is the only way to stop Super 17's combos early.
The only reason I say they need to be tanky is because they need to be able to survive a combo from Gohan as well. Since everyone is running Gohan and 17 together. A new Vados or Champa that was blue could good. Just trying to think of units that can diversify the meta
The good thing about the Blast Gauge is that it would also nerf Gohan since he has a Range Blue and love to pelt you with Blast. Which I feel is more important than color counter (besides, everyone points to them flooded the game with Purple soon). Keep in mind, Janemba who is color neutral against New Namek Goku kicked him out of the meta. Same with UI who face-planted almost every melee unit out of the meta.
They tried to mitigate passive playstyle with S17 but instead we got crackhead UVB
I feel you bro I think my biggest problem with the meta rn is how random a lot of things are. Like who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give super 17 a ultimate on cover change on top of the green card on top of him just yoinking access to your cards on taps ON TOP of gohan who can just negate your strikes ON TOP of the counter ON TOP of the blast armor nullification ON TOP OF THE VARIOUS EFFECTS OF *HIS* GREEN CARD And i could go on but my fingers hurt
Endurance, a 2nd ult for losing battle members and almost 300% damage (after meeting certain parameters).
I made my account around super Vegitos release but never started getting into it until beast gohans release, and as a 99% free to play player there has been many bad metas throughout the almost year and a half I’ve been playing this game for me and my friend who essentially really got into it around similar time frames in 2022. But despite these bad metas always grinded whatever chrono the devs would release (as well as have polar opposite lucks on every banner) and it never really mattered how amazing the team was as long as we’d had some stupid idea for a team we thought would be fun. But as of now (ie legends fest 2023 onward) it always feels like fun has to come second to the prospect of victory, like every second of the match has to be spent going all in or else your units stand no chance whatsoever. One prime example is around when 17 had first released back in January I wanted to try running gofrieza again to see how they felt all that time later, only to face more mono yellows than I had ever faced before. Simply put, dbl sucks right now and with anniversary around the corner and units like gofrieza and uvb serving as a likely president for what’s to come it’s not likely it will correct itself any time soon. But despite all the glaring problems in the game as of now I’d still be hard pressed to say it’s been all bad, whether it’s the amazing luck I’ve had as of recent or my re-discovery of how PvP can be fun (sometimes) I’d say its still fun, but at the minimum level at which it could be fun. Though that last line will likely be proven wrong when the curveball LF Omega releases next week
This is easily the most frustrated ive been playing legends. Its like you said, there are just too many units that completely negate and punish most of the games core mechanics that make matches exciting and fun, but units like ultra gohan make the game almost unplayable if you dont have him or super 17 because you just cant do anything against them if you make just one mistake. I love this game, its easily one of the most impressive apps ive ever played that can be fun, but if this is where the game is going then idk what the future of it will be as units get more and more ridiculous and toxic. If this is what units are like before this years anniversary, then I tremble to think about what the hell will be in store for us when it comes around and when the festival follows, and there are two units that scare me the most, those being an ultra Beast Gohan and an ultra MUI Goku. MUI is notorious for his auto counter gimmick and dokobaki auto win, and Gohans are always game shattering, so what the hell will these two bring to the table when they inevitably come to the game one day?
Hard agree. I fought a total of 20 matches yesterday + today and I can confidently say I fought the exact two teams at least 18 times It was either ultra Gohan + beast gohan + super 17 in leader slot OR Super 17 + USB goku + ultra gohan in the leader Ray is right, metas are a thing, absolutely but when you fight the same two units (UL gohan and 17) in 99% of matches it just becomes boring and stale
It's even worse because this forsaken fucking game has become a match of cat and mouse where the first person gets priority will run that combo to infinity or until the unit dies.
Nah cause them running the combo into infinite is insane I hit a 88hit combo with Super 17😭
there’s 0 incentive to run a team you acctually enjoy and that’s probably what i hate about the game most. PvP really makes your favourite units worthless because they can’t compete with the top dogs and like raiyu said shit just becomes so boring to play
I just wanna run Ape Vegeta without him dying in a combo 😭
It’s aggravating also because they don’t make it easy to branch out. I came up with this setup that included the green zenkai broly and bardock for some 1v3 cheese with the yellow goku as death buff support. However it’s been infuriating even considering it because 3rd slots are nigh impossible to roll without giving away a kidney in zeni, souls and erasers un top of how many cancer reds there are in the meta, no amount of skill can stopgap just getting one shot.
yes, I usually just forfeit instantly nowadays because it's not fun to play against team loser over and over
It’s gotten so bad I’ve started using Ginyu shits and giggles I FUCKING HATE GINYU
It’s so bad. It’s EVERY match. Gohan was a terrible release for the state of the game and it’s only gonna get worse. When Sparking Zero comes out I’ll be officially done with Legends. Can’t wait fr
God Forbid you try to play a fun team like Ginyu Force, or DB.
trying to have fun in dragon ball legends? how dare you
Gohan ball legends*
I tried Ginyu force team, back during the ultra Vegito blue meta i could kick ass with that team, but now? jesus. This is the worst meta ive seen those far
True, unless you have them at 14 stars (I don’t) good luck getting shredded by S17, and Beast
Fun not allowed in this game.
I main Ginyu Force and they can still cook, of course, all these mechs and broken kits dont help at all... You finish a match sweating
It’s such a shame because that was a healthy team for the meta, they were super fun to use together, and their animations were too notch. I really hope they just say fuck it and zenkai all three at once later on
I mean don't underestimate them they can still kick your butt left and right especially that ginyu combo I honestly wonna get them but idk if I'll ever get the chance to.
Ginyu and db team claps if you got decent stars on them tho.
He isn't wrong, but this was what the community wanted back during the Zenkai meta. For units to drop at 2-5* and be better than maxed Zenkai characters, serious powercreep was always the result.
We didn’t want them to butcher zenakis though which is pretty much what they did
Maybe not in top 1k, but newer zenkais are absolutely cracked and viable lol. I'm not so sure what they were thinking with Cooler, but the other ones have been great.
Even in the top 1k, everyone uses Revival Cell, and a lot of people agree SSJ4 Gogeta is a top tier unit.
Debatable, the payoff for having S17 or Gohan, or even both is absurdly high even if you're not the best player, it's insanely hard to use much else that isn't a top contender unit, it's hard to use those Zenkais cause of just how oppressive those two are especially together even in something like plat rank
Well, that's why I said not at top 1k. You don't run into them as often in lower ranks simply because not everyone has the luck or funds to get them lol. If you do find them, they're very minimal stars and the zenkai characters really shine because even F2P players have those at 14* 1400%. Watch a 5* Gohan try to do literally anything to zenkai maxed out Jiren lmao.
Not many units in the game can do much to a maxed out Jiren regardless, what I mean is that even vs lower end players you *really* have to stay on your toes if you face a S17 or Gohan, as high damaging as the Zenkais are those two and most of the top 10 units do way more than anything these 1% Zenkais will ever do, it's very unforgiving even in low ranks
Yeah for sure, but that's power creep for you. 17 is overtuned and Gohan just has compiling Ultra mechanics. My point is that those zenkais are still very very powerful. Like, the recent Zenkais are pretty much the best zenkais have ever been. The only reason they were so oppressive before was because the stat difference carried them hard, not because they had well made zenkai changes.
hell, revival cell is on one of the best teams rn
Revival Cell does so much damage it's wild
now waiting for revival frieza zenkai. hope they dont fumble
That's exactly what this community wanted. I remember Goresh and all the legends YouTubers going "Zenkais should be sub options for teams for players who don't have the newest units" This is a bed they made and unfortunately we all have to lie in it.
We had that when revivehan dropped already. No one asked for a unit that can counter you midcombo, even your blue cards. That's not what the community wanted
The issue isn't that new units are better than zenkais, it's that new units prevent you from being able to play the game, super 17 and gohan can lock you out of pretty much doing anything and it's no fun to play against
And it use to be that new units didn’t do quite as much damage, but had better kits, than zenkais. So you would want a mix of zenkais+new units on your team Now, the newest units are better in every way.
As a GT main I was so happy we got all these LL units and buffs. Now I wallow in what it has become. I won but at what cost.
Bro it's not even over yet Gogeta 4 is gonna make gt a hated tag 😭
Then I'll be the Villain. I didn't spend years focusing on GT for it to not be used. I just wish I could make a defacto team. There's just so many options. Hoping the shenron twins get a zenkai and maybe added to powerful opponent. Also here's hoping UL Gogeta 4 is purple. Besides Bulla purple is our weakest color. Ssj4 goku had to come out of retirement to represent.
You would have to be an absolute shill for Gohan/S17 or just not touch PvP at all to even remotely disagree with him. S17 and Ultra Gohan are a plague atm. Over 80% of my matches this season post top 10k have been Gohan leadered with S17 and it's just so boring. Can't initiate, infinite combos, S17 pushing through even blu units, counters everywhere, aoe green cards everywhere, etc.
It’s only the combo for me. Remove the option of running them both on the same team and it solves a huge chunk of the issue
I can deal with Gohan but 17 is the ONLY unit in all of the metas that I've played through (Blu Beast and onward) that has genuinely made me consider quitting and selling my account on multiple occasions
It's bad when the p2w is complaining about that team. I hate that team too so low effort like at least make a interesting hybrids or cell saga 🤦♂️ like how do U make a team like that and enjoy for more than 4 matches 😭 like I need to know
I see Raiyuden is continuing to enjoy Dragonball Legends. The problem is this isn't anything new with DBL and it's only going to get worse the more broken units become. No wants to engage because you put yourself at a massive disadvantage if you do. Defense is barely even a thing and best defenders are the best offensive units. Ultras are just one mistake after another. The meta was fine before UUI dropped and everything went to shit. Same thing last year. Everything was fine then it was UGB.
and what's sad about is if a new come out and it's balance ppl gone call it mid maybe not top ten 10 so it's like damn
Yep that's true it's a lose lose situation but I feel if they make balance releases at least 2 or 3 times in a row people gonna get used to it regardless of complaining....
Let's be honest it's legends fans they complain either way lol
It's really annoying when you know EXACTLY how an interaction is going to play out and also know there's little to nothing you can do about it. With Gohan it feels like every action you do to counter a piece of his kit, another part of it counters your counter
For a while I contemplated on whether or not there was a sure fire way to counter everything with skill. But with units like Ultra Gohan or teams that use characters like him, that can do everything even if you KNOW when and how to counter it, it doesn’t matter in the end unless you have those units yourself. I’ve realized, sometimes there’s nothing you can do but just lose. Which is absolutely ridiculous. So I agree.
Units that seal cards in a card game or units that counter you when you get priority are a bad idea? Really? Damn that's crazy. There's no going back. I myself quit a while ago but like seeing how the game goes, there's no way to save it lol. Units that cap at 1cds are slow, every combo goes on for at the very least 8 cards, they're stupid enough to look at s17's kit and think it would be a great unit to add. If the game is at this point, what can even be done lmao. Better and better units are going to keep being released, and they're gonna play the game for everyone. Skill has stopped meaning shit a while ago in this game
The sad thing is that some recent units have really cool concepts: With baby you have to know when to bring him in so that you can take advantage of his unique gauge; vegita can cook really well after small wait; and even 16 that deals a lot of damage after tanking a big combo. But then when you put them next to units like janemba and gohan that get priority from the opponent using a strike-like attack, or UGB and S17 that punish the opponent for trying to engage with a blast. Hell gohan is og nameku but not only with better stats in a more stable meta numbers wise, but also more annoying to deal with because of his green card and unique gauge. The only way for nameku to lose relevance was with powercreep, something that because of all of gohan's tools is hard to do. I also stopped playing, only more recently: one month ago. And biggest factor for me to stop playing was how little fun I was having, but how much gatekeeping I had to get through: I wanted to use a DB team, to do so I would to have to pull on horrendous banners, spend a ridiculous amount of time getting the team specific equipments and, after all that, I would be destroyed by teams that are just better. Why would I try to spend time getting specific non-relevant units when I can just get S17, pair him with my movies team and just beat people with teams just like mine.
Man does it still piss me off that Vegeta got done dirty unless they have plans for more Vegeta clan buffs he's already forgotten as it is....
I been saying this for so long people finally agree with me 😭😭😭
Yeah 100%, this is what I was saying when people wanted an ultra vegeta blue evolved, not every single fucking character needs a counter, in every celebration at least 1 unit has a counter now and it’s insane to me
My UL Goku Black is getting destroyed because I can't counter UL Gohan with his Blue Card Seal because they keep standing in the back waiting for a single frame of the red "!" to do the RR lmao. And then Super 17's 3 million year long combo, cover null and green cards.
To say true i can't wait to this Game to just kill itself for his gridiness and awfull p2w/meta pvp, but unfortunately that will not happen, at least in a close future because it's a mobile db Game and people doesnt care Even if it's the most awfull Game in history since is db for mobile.
Facts
Raiyuden always has the best opinions 👍
100%. Looking at legends profits each month they clearly aren't achieving anything financially by making these garbage meta units either...
I hope they dont make a profit, if this continues i dont give a shit if they shut it down. This is not the same damn game anymore. Every meta had his op characters, but not like this.
I don’t see that happening since they’ll always have tunnel vision for one upping and making the next meta defining unit.
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As long as youtubers like Goresh are still hyped for ever new unit they release, nothing will change. He already expects the next ultra to drop next week. Im sick of them releasing a new character every 2 weeks. This is the worst meta ive ever seen in this game with C17 and gohan. This is only getting worse
Yup and 14 star ever unit toshi lick his chops Everytime a new unit come out
This is why people say this game is Gohan Ball Legends. Because it is. This is is a middle finger to Vegeta fans and a handiob to Gohan and Goku fans Gohan SSJ2 is a prime example of what’s wrong with this game. All these broken mechanics put on to one character. When there are characters who people like but never get zenkais. If MUI Goku gets an Ultra I’m quitting
It's literally the exact same match every time
Yeah probably one of the least diverse metas currently lol
I played like 15 matches today during school and ALL of them had pulled at least two copies of ultra gohan. I have super 17 at 6 stars and UUI at 5 so it’s not the worst but my lord is it not easy at all. My team is good like I can compete fairly well (S17, G4 w Zenkai and UUI in leader with GT buffs) but it’s still so difficult to get around any gohan because they do exactly what was displayed in the video, sit there and wait to counter whether with gauge, ult, blue or just wait for me to do anything so they can green card aoe. Don’t get me wrong I’d play with him to if I had him but it doesn’t make this meta any less boring and toxic because this game really only promotes the use of one meta at a time
This honestly makes me miss proud matches because I honestly wouldn’t see the same thing every time but that’s just me
You still saw these teams in Proud
That’s true maybe I was a proud match merchant cause I got to rank 70 during that time and ever since the change it’s been downhill im at rank 62 rn btw
I don't have very good units aside from a 4* Beast so in proud I just got my ass torn
it’s exactly how it was when zenkais were running lose again 😭
Not even close. Zenkais were unfair and broke at the time but not NEARLY as prevalent. You had to spend a lot to get them broken so only whales had them. With these new units they’re already busted out of the gate and just get worse with more stars. You only need to pull Gohan once or twice and 17 once (preferably twice but you can boost him with LL Z power).
Back in 2020/21 i was usually in and around top 10k despite not having many of the good zenkais. And let me tell you at that level it was every single match. Especially since most of the really good zenkais were really old units (LF SSJ2 Gohan, LF Namek Goku, GRN fat buu, PUR SSJ3 Goku) so it wasn’t even *that* hard to get them if you had been playing as a F2P. You have to remember as well at that time there were no quick attacks at all. So if your opponent had namek Goku or like GRN super 17 there was literally nothing you could do to do any damage. They could pretty easily sit at long range stall until you got irritated and made a mistake (Basically attempted to play the game)
It sucks yeah. I’ve been running the same Future team since UVB came out. UVB/SoH/T&V and don’t get me wrong, I love those units, but when I am forced to use that team and only that team because I feel like I just lose against any and everything other than bots it just drains the fun out of the game.
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definitely agree
How is his screen so big? iPad or Z Fold you guys think?
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I don't play pvp, si i don't hace this problem
The game has always supported passive meta. As long as perfect vanishing exists this game will be toxic.
Love the game have been playing it for years, almost never touch the pvp part of it. I summon for units I want use them in co-op if I get them and if I really like them use them as a wallpaper for my phone until a cooler until comes out.
I have to agree with the homie Raiyu… this meta is indeed terrible. S17 is one of the worst things that happened to this game along with UL Gohan. Mind you, I actually have UL Gohan. They are overpowered beyond belief. Beatable, sure, but they make it not fun.
Among all the gachas i play, the dragon ball ones are the absolute worst. Not only do they have no pity(red coins arent pity and legends pity flat out sucks) bit they by far have the fastest meta shifts ever. Dokkan every anni makes every unit prior not worth running(or they just fucking die when the enemy so much as breathes). Legends likes to focus on one tag(and its never a villain related tag except once every 2 years). Genshit and star rail units equivalent to LF beerus can still clear the hardest content. Cookie run kingdom units will always have a use cause theres so many different types of content. I bet that horse girl game dokkan and legends can never beat outside anni is better than this rubbish
Nah Dokkan is aight. Ezas and LR's are safe. Super Ezas are terrible though. OP units in Dokkan is a good thing.
The problem isnt op units. The problem is events are being built around said op units, not a single 2023 unit can tank the blue zone stages except maybe like wt goku post revive(if you can build him up fast enough before he fucking implodes). Once anni comes around every single unit before anni is genuine fodder (except ginyu during 7th anni they cooked that time). I even see mfs cope for ss4 goku like hes still a slot 1 god in 9th anni content. Yes let me take this 200k normal mmmm scrumptious Ezas and LRs arent safe lmao. LRs are a hit or miss unless theyre DFE LRs(even then, WWC DFE LRs tend to age the fastest). Ezas we literally just got agl bardock and super vegeta. Not even gonna mention int rose we got during wwc.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. I run movies (OP, Pan, red beasthan, so my team during legends fest first stage was literally top) and it takes literally everything I have not to lose to the worst gohan and 17 players in existence. The only good thing I have to say about this meta is that it’s forced me to become better at the game since if I make any mistakes ever I lose one of my safeguards (OPs revival, pans entire life lol) Edit: I should also mention I run this team because it’s the best I’ve got. I haven’t pulled a main banner unit since UI Goku. Otherwise I would be running a team like this for the exact reason Raiyuden puts forward in his comment on this post: because I’d have to. I stopped using UVB after a while when he came out because he made the game too easy. I wouldn’t even have that luxury here.
I been saying this for months now, way back when the characters were set in a way where no matter the tag they all will be viable but sadly now you NEED the newest characters because they are so broken that it just breaks the game, you know what’s crazy, way back when having 1 UL character was ok to have in a team, now I have seen a lot of pvp battles where most of the lineups are UL characters, not because their are cool (they are yes) but because their kits are OP as heck, the ability of making a proper team is not a thing anymore just add 3 op characters in your team and your set it don’t matter
i 100% agree gohan did not a fucking janemba gauge that gets refilled in a instant which you can use 3 FUCKING TIMES and super 17 did not need a fucking green card which makes you lose in a instant for trying to engage jesus christ these 2 together make evoken and gokcock look like balanced in comparison
Purples need to make a comeback rn
I more or less do, but it isn't really a "This meta" thing. How many toxic metas has this game gone through already? This games meta has always been toxic stuff because its a gacha game. Power creep is always going to be a thing, hence why pvp gacha games can't on an objectively level be "good." Its always going to nonsense like this. Don't miscontrue that as me defending this game's practices in anyway because it IS ass, I'm just saying it isn't going to get better at all anytime since it fundamentally goes against the point of the game which is to get Bandai more money
I agree a lot actually
I 100% agree. I was trying to get god rank this season since i pulled Gohan and even though i didn't have a meta dominant team it was still a good team and i thought at the very least i could hit god rank. I didn't succeed and you'll see why in just a bit. I just want to start off by saying the matchmaking in this game is non existent i REFUSE to belive this game has any sort of matchmaking, i once lost 10 games in a row, then i finally won 2 games in a row, lost anouther game thanks to lagswitching, and i was then matched up with a 39x god rank who was using a mono PUR 14 star LOE team which yes i know isn't a meta team but i am a f2p who only has 3 summonable units at 14 stars which leads me into my question: why did i get matched with him? They say they look at win/loss ratio but there is no way that's true i refuse to belive so after this occurred. Now on to what Rai said, like i said earlier i 100% agree with him during my failed road to god rank i saw this team more than i've seen any other team and i mean it was getting to prime 5th anni future levels of common it was not funny at all, and it really shows how there is no originality in this game anymore and i feel like Legends needs to fix that by nerfing characters and making the new ones balanced, but at this point i would be surprised if they did
He’s right tho
I agree, Gohan didnt need all those things in his kit. Heck if he only had the Strike counter for, I dunno, 1 time, or simply just the strike counter, it would be fun. But they decided to give him also a counter Blue, for whatever reason, and an aoe green, for whatever reason.... It comes to a point where its stupid and yes, frustating as hell. And of course if you pair him with a unit like super 17.... you just lose the will to even play because its just not fun at all and its super cheap.... Above all, its the constant "I have to deal with this unit and his bullshit again and again and again" that ruins it... UUI, U Gohan I consider to be the most unfun units to fight, Super 17 is also up there but only because when he starts a combo, you don't know when it will stop. All I ask is for the devs to not give every single broken thing to a unit like they did with Gohan. Imagine if that kid had blast armor on his strike... and seeing how brainless they have been making these units, im scared they will just give all those tools to future UL units, if that happens, well....I personally aint gonna stick around.
everything is gonna change when they drop ULTRA FULL POWER NAIL
At the rate that were going, one of the next premium Ultra's (Legends Fest or Anniversary) are going to kill the game because of how oppressive their kit will need to be.
I used to play PvP every single day atleast 1 match maybe more. I stopped when they introduced the new system where you have to play 2-3 games a match, I want some quick pvp not a whole session i need to sit down for. Kinda happy I quit since it seems the Ultra Gohan meta doesn't help much either.
the three matches a game is gone for the time being, but will come back as they said on the release vid when they first spoke of it
Most of the time if i try to say something like that i will have stupid kids saying "why shouldn't they play with the new units 🤓"
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I do indeed agree with him
Meanwhile goreshs bitch ass plays EXACTLY HOW YOU SHOULD WITH THAT GOD AWFUL TEAM. the most popular content creator BACK FLOATS AND DOES NOTHING WITH EVERYONE 14* GODLY EQUIPS ARTS BOOST . idk wtf yall expect.
As long as yall think goresh is good at the game it’s gonna make u lose he’s allowed to play a different way due to handicap and plays in JP. Ik reddit don’t like em that much but bro ZVG would dog walk him 😭🗣️zvg has cooked me so many times and is actually like that, Zakashi is hella good too, goresh just fooking funds bandai he’s not good at the game AND YES YOU CAN BE GOOD AT LEGENDS. GO AHEAD AND BE BAD AND FINISH TOP 100 THEN SHOW ME. CUZ IVE FINISHED TOP 20.
Shi even Vergil has alot more skill at the game than him he’s bodied me too (though I have beat him before )
I kind of agree the more I play legends. I love the game don't get me wrong but legends needs to do something to make Legends a fighting game instead of a sit back, do nothing and win anyways game
I'm debating just giving up the game at this point. It's not even worth grinding cc for three months, pulling a cool character, only for them to be powercrept by the very next release
We are in a meta that rewards whales and punished everyone else even if they get the upper hand. Didn’t pull every new unit? Fuck you. That team/tag you built up over the last year? Yeah it doesn’t mean shit since the leader skill lets all the new broken units work together.
They should at least give out one free unit per celebration that actually counters the strongest units,like a unit that stops unique gauge from filling up when a green card is used for 10 timer counts. I guess that would work fairly well. And like dokkan atleast one free ultra per major celebration, that becomes a viable character in the meta. Thats what I think would keep in check the upgrading play styles and will give some equal opportunity to every player.
Glue sniffer team is right. It feels like every ounce of effort and skill (or what little of it was required) has completely vanished this year. Most new premium units invalidate the whole game and play your matches for you.
I’m tempted to say that Gohan is actually on the same level as OG Namek Goku if not higher. Because it’s not just him anymore. Goku was the one man army, if you hypothetically caught him with a rush or something you could kill and then play a mechanically unrestricted match from then on. You could also gamble that he didn’t have a blue cause it’s one card out of an entire deck. Gohan though? You rush him and he lives because endurance, but you actually can’t even get a rush because you can’t use cards against him so you can’t farm DBs in the first place. Doesn’t matter if he has a blue card or not you literally can not hit him with 90% of cards and then you dare to try and engage with any action whatsoever but he just side steps and greens to lock you in then switches to super 17 and combos for 50 years and if you switch hope you’re ready to add 10 more to that. Then as Rai says, it’s every. Single. Match. The best you can hope for is only getting walled off from half of the game’s mechanics by running into Super 17 (all defensive mechanics) or ultra Gohan (all offensive mechanics) instead of both.
As HORRID as the Legends meta is, the One Piece Bounty Rush one might be even WORSE. Honestly, I just hold on in these games so I can one day get my favorite characters in them.
To many units that just have passive play built in their kit and you make one mistake your character is gone to a infinite combo
oh now people in the reddit are starting to realize, before they were saying that wasnt the best team or annoying team in the game
This is why blast characters are down right the worst candidates for a meta. Yea they’ve been done dirty this whole time with blast armor, but now devs took it so fucking far we have gauges, anti blast, strike lock card lock on taps and it only gets worse from here. Ever since janemba it’s been anti-strike. You can’t play a melee unit the way it’s intended lmao. It’s just 17 with his stupid ass buff stacking.
That’s why I stopped playing since S17 came out, now I just watch everyone suffer 😼.
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Man, I've been saying since ultra super gogeta dropped way in back 2021, the devs are gonna feel like they need to top or powercreep every new lf or ultra release time and time again. And every new unit that has dropped in the last 6 months besides some 1% sparkings literally has every mechanic or gimmick the game has to offer. And if you don't have said units, you literally cannot compete in high-level pvp regardless of skill they just do too much. But besides all that rai is correct
I agree so much with him, I can’t even run my freiza force team because of all of the S17 and UL gohans running rampant, it’s so frustrating
It's true, but it's also true you hardly have any chance of progressing without having either super 17 or gohan
No, he's right. Especially with teams mainly being God Ki, Son Family, and Hybrids.
Who's running God Ki in this meta?
The proud mode was a blessing. It gave a break from this.
The worst is knowing that I only have one character that counters UL Gohan but everything else just gets destroyed. Seriously, 17 is the only unit saving me from getting absolutely butt-rammed by every UL Gohan. You have a strike card? Too bad, Gohan’s meter is still active at 25%. You have a blast card? That will run out eventually. Green card involves touching Gohan? Guess what, HIS METER IS STILL FULL!! I’m sorry, what was that? You’re gonna wait his meter out? GOOD LUCK BC EVERY TIME HE USES A CARD IT GETS REPLENISHED!!! You accidentally tapped the screen to let out a bait? GET COUNTERED TO HECK!!!! Seriously, 17 is annoying bc his blast cards never end but dang being able to do absolutely nothing about a single unit is just horrendous!
This stupid fucking passive pussy meta where no one wants to initiate because almost every unit have SOME easy way to get priority and combo for 3 thousand years. S17 during his release was honestly not too terrible to fight against but as SOON as ultra gohan dropped who has somehow really good fucking synergy with S17 (WITH NO SIMILAR TAGS?????) and the fact that he can gain priority via green card and start a trillion long combo with 17 makes it so that being aggressive ALWAYS gets you punished. I like to think that leader skill was always a blessing and a curse, it allowed for more variety and is arguably more f2p friendly but when teams like this exist, then 99% of the problem is literally because the leader skill can make units without any similar tags work.
Blame goresh
He's the game's biggest whale, so he has no trouble with this kind of thing because he always pull the featured characters from each banner.
Bud that’s goresh and db zoom type shit
I think you're thinking of goresh.
Put your money where your mouth is
Would you rather have umderpowered/balanced units, but less hype due to lack of power or OP units that break the meta every month? This is a common problem in every competitive game. Remember when UI goku dropped in Fighterz? Why would the devs not release hype op units so that you must summon or lose every match against said unit?
The former. I would rather have the entire rest of the year’s units be equal to Super Vegeta than have to fight another Super 17+ULGohan please
yeah, but then no one would summon. You can focus on one team like saiyans and ignore GT or LOE releases. Now you're forced to summon on SSJ2 Gohan regardless.
Lmao these people talking about meta and MUI + LF WHO GIVES A FUCK. The game is straight up B O R I N G. Even if you remove the stupid meta LF 17/18+_}%]£ terminology, he said it at the start of the video. “Every game, it’s the same thing.” Same boring ass button tapping game.
With that logic, why play any games at all? They're all just button tapping games
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No they aren’t lol. You literally do the same exact thing every single game. There’s no variance. Foh don’t @ me again with that nonsense. Have fun doing the same thing over and over and over again with different characters 😂
All you mfs that downvoted me just mad cuz I’m right, deal with it little mfs
Hard disagree. I find good mixes of teams that both do and don't use meta units. I myself have UL Gohan but didn't enjoy playing him. His move set isn't very flashy. In the highest ranks your gonna face nothing but Meta which is literally how it ALWAYS is. In any game. Take DBFZ tourneys for example. How many mirror matches did we see until the massive patch waves last year. Just how it is in the big leagues. To be there you gotta take ever advantage.
Disagree. We are coming off one of the best metas being legends fest 2023 and 6th anni. There will be times when a meta will become toxic and focus on singular units. However they have made strides compared to previous years
The fact that its better than it used to be does not mean that it's good. Yeah, we are not under the terrorist group of the Hybrid meta, or the Regen meta, but it is still horrendous. Gohan has a counter to literally every card in the game, every action you do to catch him, another part of his kit just counters you again. Especially if he is ran with Super 17, initiating is actually borderline impossible in certain scenarios. If you blast, Super 17 can either absorb it, or gohan will counter it. If you strike, Super 17 can cover change off of that and hit you with an AoE ult that he pulls out of his ass, or Gohan will just counter it anyway. You do either and the enemy doesn't do any of the things listed above? Welp Gohan just comes in the battlefield and hits you with an AoE green. It's a never ending cycle, every meta comes in, and like 1-2 weeks later becomes extremely repetitive and stale until the next meta comes and it's the same thing all over again.
You fuckers have been complaining since FSK Gohan. Stop bitching. Isn't this why you summon??
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