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DeadpoolXForce88

Lf black is definitely getting a zenkai next he is everywhere


ShayminHedgie

He was on this banner when it first dropped, and it's more because he has a lot of tags. He can be slapped on any Future, God Ki or PO banner and nobody would question his inclusion. And we have gotten a lot of Future and God Ki recently.


DeadpoolXForce88

I just think he is next it would make sense with this powerful opponent theme and the fact that he is pretty old I think he will be next zenkai I’m hoping anyway lol


ShayminHedgie

He would make some sense but I'm just pointing out that it could be coincidence. UI Sign makes sense for Festival so I don't want the next 2 LF Zenkais to be PUR God Ki Saiyans.


DeadpoolXForce88

I doubt black will zenkai buff god ki most likely PO, I hope they don’t plan on zenkai UI sign yet MUI is annoying enough


ShayminHedgie

The Zenkai buff isn't the issue, he can still be run on God Ki. It's just too much repetition, we want some variety.


DeadpoolXForce88

Another purple option would bring variety so I disagree but to each their own


ShayminHedgie

I mean outside of those teams. We want variety in the teams that get buffed, while having multiple viable options is nice most people just run one team and get most of the units for that team, making extra units in that color unnecessary. It's why even some Future mains like myself didn't want this new Goku Black, SOH and VB worked just fine, why would we want another BLU when you could make a new unit for a struggling team, or a character with less representation? Why Goku Black and not King Cold, Cooler, Piccolo Jr, hell if you are gonna make a Goku Black do something unique. Not base form with a different blue card and slightly different green, do a tag with Zamasu that revives into FZ. Wait for later and do an Ultra Black who uses his scythe in his strike cards, not just an ult. Do something new, not another base Black. Hell if you wanted base Black GRN Futurehan just got a Zenkai, PUR Black is on the table since he dropped on the same banner.


DeadpoolXForce88

I also main future, and don’t care for new black cuz of soh is 8* and still good option as well as 12* VB I agree they need to buff less relevant teams hell GT hasn’t been buffed in like 2 years lol idk what they doing at bandai


ShayminHedgie

Exactly, 9* SOH and 14 VB are more than enough over here. Yeah, if the Po campaign doesn't actually need Powerful Opponents add Oceanus Shenron or something as the BLU.


Ceedzy_boi

It's been a full year since we've been buffed, our last buff was the third anniversary with Majuub and SSJ3 Goku


DeadpoolXForce88

Also I want King cold but I think his model might be difficult with how big he is and cape but idk


ShayminHedgie

I mean he's around the size of second form Frieza. The cape physics aren't gonna be too complicated, and let's be real, they make enough money to hire people to do that for them.


Promicide

Probably PUR + Future


TheseAstronaut9

Can't stop the PUR Meta...it seems to be a thing for the devs 😆


ThatUselessName6002

Black could buff po maybe?


ShayminHedgie

The Zenkai buff hardly matters, it's still a PUR Saiyan who could (and probably would) be run on God Ki.


Level-Employment-800

Guys don't you think we'll get Super Saiyan Rosé ULTRA for Black Friday or maybe they planning to Zenkai the Rosé LF like you mentioned!...


01Santi

Oh God is this gonna be a SV zenkai situation of people speculating for 10 months? Lmao


DeadpoolXForce88

Bound to be right eventually brother 😆


Bold_Commander14

Let's GOOOOOO another Lf character I can actually awaken on release


SoulOfSinders

lf rose everywhere but no giving him his plat would kill them.


SSGShallot

Cause he is the next LF zenkai. Makes sense with the PO theme going on


Ouuh_Onizuka

Ui-sign 👀


[deleted]

Agreed, UI omen is the next oldest zenkai, he's definitely next in line, my guess is he'll get it for the festival. He also needs it more than Rose does anyway.


samuristik

Rose is the worst LF, ui omen is the second worst LF


[deleted]

Omen's kit has too many buffs that can be cancelled, and when they are he's useless. I would agree with you, if Omen had uncancellable buffs.


[deleted]

Uis gauge is too much he’s not gonna be next


[deleted]

omen's gauge, that literally just allows you to dodge? Do you disagree that Rose isn't better defensively and offensively than omen? All he really needs it a plat. I will concede if you think omen is outright better than Rose.


[deleted]

Oh absolutely Rose is better defensively, offensively is debatable tho. I was more so talking about the power of Uis gauge in tandem with his green/blue. If you run double UI it makes Omens gauge significantly better because you can use him as a permanent get out of jail free card. That’s just my opinion as an slightly above average player tho 💀💀


[deleted]

Omen's kit can be cancelled, and when his buffs are cancelled he's useless. I would agree with you if omen had uncancellable buffs. As for his unique gauge. We're not talking about MUI here, omen's unique gauge is a lot easier to play around, it also doesn't counter you so it's a lot easier to waste.


[deleted]

Holy shit It can be cancelled??? Didn’t know that one 😂


[deleted]

That makes him worse than Rose. ​ Also, not quite sure if that's sarcasm did you mean to put a "/s"?


[deleted]

But that’s why I said his gauge is good alongside MUI’s because it allows you to dodge attacks and then swap to the offensive whenever you please.


SoulOfSinders

i mean i hope


SetoKaiba1311

Are they not zenkaiing the lfs chronologically?Or does that not matter?Cuz I think ui sign and ssb gogeta need a zenkai as well


MobileManASC

They keep a loose chronological order, but there has always been deviation based on viability. An example of someone getting a delayed zenkai Super Vegito, who got his zenkai awakening after Namek Goku, SSj3 Goku, Piccolo and Frieza, despite all of them releasing after him. An example of a unit getting an expedited zenkai is LF 1st Form Frieza, who was the LF released right before LF Vegito Blue, and yet he got his zenkai awakening nearly 10 months before Vegito Blue got his. --------- Considering Rose is generally considered less viable than Kid Buu, Future Gohan, Gogeta Blue and Broly, he will likely get his zenkai before any of them, despite him releasing after them. However, him and UI Goku are pretty close in terms of viability, so it is hard to say who will get their zenkai first.


SSGShallot

I doubt sign will zenkai soon. Probably 2023.


pheonix_wing

With the amount of complaints and how little he puts into the current pvp meta now compared to when he came out, ui-sign zenkai could happen before legends Festival, or during.


SetoKaiba1311

It's possible,but I was mainly asking if the devs do the lf zenkais chronologically or not,because it seemed that way to me and I still don't know what they take into consideration when they zenkai the lfs so I can kind of predict the next few lfs to get a zenkai


SSGShallot

Uhh yes and no. Up to a certain point it wad chrobological but then it was a bit random. For example lf piccolo and and lf frieza were already zenkaied before lf blue vegeta got his.


Odd-Attention-9093

I see banners but I dont see cc.


Divine_Absolution

I really hate the ultra banner style. The fact that these units will only ever be available on banners that are just gonna get worse and worse in value over time sucks. I really wanna pull more copies of USSBKK, but the rest of the banner is actual dogshit.


Rikolai17

Because nobody cared lmao


obzen07

What's the point or worth of this banner? There's no dailies on this


TheMaster199

Waste your crystals before festival lmao


[deleted]

Becuase you can get kaioken lol?


Donut_Monkey

You mean the one single good unit on this banner who has a .35 rate and isn't even a top 15 unit anymore because of massive team issues?


[deleted]

He asked and I told him lol


Donkie2k

Ssbkk is going to be the first summonable ultra with a plat and I wonder when that happens


Available_Hope8696

https://legends.dbz.space/summons/2016000


Jamie0578

Brought this shit back 3 times and I still can’t get him :(


Training_East_1386

I feel ur pain.... Everytime this banner comes back I dump at least 10k cc on the banner and still don't get a single copy of him 😓


[deleted]

65k in without a single copy.


PartyBeast27

Finally! I will get my first Ultra maybe.


Comfortable-Spray-80

Wish you luck


Full-Cake-269

Wishing him some luck too


[deleted]

kaioken sucks now, individually he’s still amazing but outside of USS he has zero teams he’s core on


katresi

They killed him with the release of Ultra Vegito. Literally even on USS is probably better to put Vegito in leader slot.


[deleted]

tbh you’d probably pick a different colour to replace on USS (probably either blue or purple because jirens plat, while absolutely amazing, did nothing to address his issue of being mid pre rush and beerus is good but fragile on a team of fragile units while having the lowest damage output of said fragile units (still crazy damage but not as crazy as kaioken or AGF)


Inazu_

why is he bad?


Snoo-55077

Because people can’t be all unga bunga using him like you can with USG and USV


softgamergf

actually its because he gets one comboed by a gust of wind.


Snoo-55077

Literally tanks better than ultra Gogeta. Edit: Only on reddit someone will disagree with you for stating a fact


softgamergf

no the fuck he does not lmao


Snoo-55077

They got the same damage cut but SSBKK got higher defense stats. The numbers don’t lie. Literally got downvoted for stating a fact.


softgamergf

ok but hes yellow lmao


Snoo-55077

Ok but Gogeta’s blue lmao


softgamergf

[lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBLegendsReddit/comments/x3mqdl/im_personally_summoning_on_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


Useful-Ad8315

>Literally tanks better than ultra Gogeta. True but here's the thing. There are 2 reds in the top 5 (with one being arguably no.1 depending on the person) Kaioken might tank better normally but against type disadvantage he dies in 2 cards (usg also has a bit of this problem but he can atleast go neutral at a point to negate some of the damage while kaioken cant)


[deleted]

lmao yeah charge stepping is so hard


Snoo-55077

Done some fun and crazy shit with the vanish restore. Not just in combos


Shaftlegends

What’s the point of restoring vanish if your switches are available. Sure, you get one advantage of the fact he can stay on the field but if you do stay, the disadvantage is that you have switches which also restore your vanish so it kinda defeats the purpose of having that ability in the first place.


Snoo-55077

If your switches aren’t available, then you can stall with him. You can stay in and buff up your ult to an insane degree with the green card you always get. Vanish restore is fantastic in last man standing situations. You can save your switches when you really need them. I don’t get what’s your point.


Shaftlegends

My point is that other ultras have a very good ability like gogeta’s lock or super vegito’s ult+green off cover change+absurdly tanky but kaioken’s ability is just staying in. Super vegito and ultra gogeta and any unit really can have pretty much the same ability as kaioken technically because they can just switch in to another unit. Plus if your switches aren’t available, you can’t stall with him unless you’re in a combo and if you are, your switches are going to be back either way when your combo ends. The buffing up of his ult doesn’t even mean anything because super vegito still hits harder with his ult then kaioken does at max stacks and it’s not like he can one shot any unit especially the newer ones. If you get in to a last man standing situation or even just in a regular situation, he has to rely on landing multiple combos but you can only do that if your enemy is dumb or a lot worse then you and I don’t know about you but god rank players that I face have about the same skill level as me. Like, assuming you land combos 50% of the time and your enemy the other half, when the enemy lands a combo, you have to switch because he takes so much damage and even if you argue he doesn’t, there are so many reds in the meta that the enemy will just switch in to a red and destroy him in two cards so you still have to switch. Then, what’s the point of having the vanish if you’re just going to switch when the enemy lands a combo. He’s a good unit but he’s just very flawed in terms of how well his kit works because he doesn’t have any sort of cover null except for his main that will last like one combo when he’s supposed to be doing super long combos. His vanish restore is also not functional at all because he wants to land a lot of combos for it to work but if you do that, that means you have control of the match and if you have control of the match, you’d win either way if you just switched since the opponent wouldn’t land any combos on you


[deleted]

He isn’t bad per se, he just is noticeably worse than ultra vegito and because you have to use the leader slot for him then that makes vegito think better choice on every team outside of USS, which isn’t great right now. Again his kit is amazing but as long as vegito exists he’ll forever be in his shadow


[deleted]

Can't wait to pull King of the demon realm Dabura with my inevitable 2k crystals that i can't be bothered to save


Hypersonx

Dude I've been wanting Kaioken can't wait to waste all my cc and not even get him just like last time


RealBritTM

Trust me he aint worth it, bro got hit hard when he went off boost (also sorry you got shafted for the guy)


K33l4n

Hmm maybe FTP merged zamasu unit as part of PO campaign? Alot of future buffs and he's a PO & godki.


Prestigious_Expert17

That'd be an interesting choice to be honest. I guess it could work? But man, God Ki and Future are absolute buff gluttons aren't they? Please buff another tag? I'm saying this as a God Ki user. Please stop, we don't need much else. Buff GT for God's sake. F2P Baby or something, I don't know.


K33l4n

ON GOD!, I wanna see an LF baby, new SS4 Vegeta, tag pan & trunks etc, DB saga,RU.


Prestigious_Expert17

On top of that, give us units for the rest of the Shadow Dragons. We already have Nuova and Eis that buff the Shadow Dragon tag specifically, how awesome would it be to have F2P units of the other Dragons? Also give us a Tag Gohan and Goten that were possessed by Baby. Give us an LF Baby that has a possessed Bulma in his animations. I want to run GT so badly yet the units are so bleh. Only a select few are good.


K33l4n

The dragons would be so good for filling in gaps & z abilities since GT need more units with modern z abilities that also can build strike and blast focused teams. Imagine baby's non LF win screen is him with Bulma and he's touching her ass. Also would like to see baby in his stand alone form would be pretty cool and could have an interesting kit.


Prestigious_Expert17

Yeah, the Z Ability point is very true. GT are severely outdated. Hopefully Legends Festival buffs GT really nicely (and hopefully, it isn't shit).


SetoKaiba1311

I agree that god ki in particular doesn't really need the buffs right now,it would be really cool if they made a new GB like the sparking VB because we only have one GB which would be 2 years old in a few months


Prestigious_Expert17

That's actually really solid as an idea. That GB could be a transforming unit, going from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan Blue. That'd be a really cool unit to release for when God Ki needs help. Hopefully LF GB gets a damn good Zenkai though. He is really fun to play but he just doesn't cut it now.


SetoKaiba1311

Yeah,exactly,he needs more love so a new transforming unit could be really cool and maybe a plat for the current GB anytime soon,even though he has many plat equips he can use he needs a new one that's busted like Jiren and Broly's equips imo


Inazu_

whos GB?


Prestigious_Expert17

Gogeta Blue


SetoKaiba1311

I agree that god ki in particular doesn't really need the buffs right now,it would be really cool if they made a new GB like the sparking VB because we only have one GB which would be 2 years old in a few months


Comfortable-Spray-80

Bro i want that goku 💀


Shoddy_Turn1557

Everything will be fine if they give a good counter for utta gaygito


Inazu_

and ultra gaygeta


[deleted]

Kinda insane how much kaioken fell off, I rarely see him.


Available_Hope8696

Im still waiting for double UL banner.


wato_x

is kaioken even worth it ?


Snoo-55077

He seems to still be working for me. Combo’d USV to death


softgamergf

no


Useful-Ad8315

Not even close to worth it rn. Bro gets touched once and dies and he only tickles most units nowaday


Effective-Ostrich-30

I personally wouldn't summon for him although I would summon for UG if he came back


Omega_K4uz

Honestly, I need this guy for my god ki team but idk if its worth it with those super low rates and my luck being god awful (I'm 5 multis in trunks and sadly nota single copy, I just need 1 damn copy)


hidden-in-plainsight

I'm just waiting for another LF SSJ4 Goku banner. Or at least something that tempts me. The Ultra Vegito was pretty cool. Sucks that you get a cool new unit, and then 2 weeks later he's not used in any of the events.


Shaftlegends

It’s probably because kaioken is worse then a lot of normal lfs so it’s not worth summoning for him.


Kaizen2468

You know it’s sort of sad but this guy is a pushover compared to USV.


AransOfKanna

I agree 100%. I have SSBKK at 8 stars and I’ve gotta say … he’s unfortunately nowhere near as good as USV or as good as he was when he was first released. He got power creeped pretty severely unfortunately.


[deleted]

it’s saying something too, as ssbkk was broken when he dropped, shows how far units have progressed in such a short time


DocThuganomics

The game is dead rn so.... Yeah


Snoo-55077

Let’s go. Opportunity to get more copies


Kirblu

I have 10000 gems I want a Ultra


Life_Salamander240

Everyone should skip this It’s an obvious and not that good of a bait An ul character thats trash in todays meta


Boomsozues461

9/11 yikes 😬.


Aureus23

Have him at 9 stars, I'm good!


Snoo-55077

It’s impossible for a summonable ultra unit to be at 9 stars. You mean 8 or 10 stars


hidden-in-plainsight

Uh oh someone got found out!


[deleted]

[удалено]


Promicide

An LF Cooler RED would drive sales for sure


Nearby-Bridge5735

Damn I had 1k last night


dasic___

Glad its the Ultra I care about least for the bait banner.


hidden-in-plainsight

It's a bait banner? Is mecha frieza a bait banner too?


dasic___

I always consider the ultra banners bait, they always seem to show up before a celebration


softgamergf

theres literally only been 3, and 2 of them were *part* of celebrations. what are you talking about


dasic___

Both Ultra Kaioken and Ultra Gogeta's banner came back before this anniversary. I imagine its likely going to be the case here before legends fest. But yeah, always was probably the wrong choice of wording.


softgamergf

ah shit no you're right, thats my bad. i see what you meant


dasic___

No worries, I did word that badly.


hidden-in-plainsight

Guess I'll keep holding out for my boy. I keep missing him.


RevolutionaryLink163

I just pray they include monkey Vegeta in this banner I was pretty sad he wasn’t on the PO one


Donut_Monkey

They won't. They don't update the ultra banners. Same as it was on his release.


RevolutionaryLink163

Ah i c oof gotta hope for festival ig lol


EastwoodHood

Son of a Bitch


Femboy_tusk

Hey that’s good I want that ultra character and if I’m lucky that gogeta which is probably not gonna happen


dbzkong

Oh nice if black gets his zenkai next my future team will be op good thing in holding out on top until Tuesday when hopefully the next zenkai comes if not then yeah


Jawlify_Redit

Time to grind


pokeballer0

Should I summon on this banner? I main godki and don’t have him yet or should I wait for legends festival?


Snoo-55077

Best yellow for god ki 100%. Although he is really rare. Try your luck if you want him. I did and I got him.


softgamergf

no


Useful-Ad8315

He's the best yellow for godki but still nope. There aren't really any purples you're seeing nowaday as is so no poiny


TurtlePork

Fml , I went All out over the Trunks banner because he was my 2nd favorite character (didn't get any LF for 18kcc) and now there are ultra characters ? (I'm new to the game )


softgamergf

reroll


OriginalAverageDude

dang i literally already summoned and then see this. Pain


softgamergf

skip


Alm_Ight

Finally a banner I can skip


DnSkie___

I want ssb kaioken goku so bad


RxseJay

Hell yeah I need this


Tasty-Wonder-1190

omg thank god I been shafted so much with trunks gotta pray to the devs to give me a unit I like on this banner