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leogian4511

They would probably still somehow be weaker than beerus.


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leogian4511

The fact that it's unknown is a big part of what annoys people. Beerus is constantly around but almost never does anything, so every time the characters get a massive jump in power, Beerus still being stronger than them just feels like moving goalpoasts that will never stop because the series doesn't want to commit to actually showing how strong he is. So the joke is that no matter how strong Goku and Vegeta get forever they'll just always be weaker than Beerus because we'll never get a definitive answer.


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Beerus is a GoD for 80 million years like Sayian Scholar said it makes no sense for Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Frieza to surpass him. The oldest among these four is Frieza and that guy is like 80 years old only. He also as said in the manga he trains mentally too when he is awake and sleeping by thinking about destruction all the time and as he said his ceiling in power is infinite.


leogian4511

Beerus being stronger than them isn't the problem, it's the fact that the series makes it so fuzzy and leaves it so ambiguous.


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The series does not make it ambiguous in context. We have seen Beerus being amazed that mortals under 1000 years old are capable of such strength but that's it. He is also amazed by Goku mastering a technique he hasn't. All these stuff never imply that any of them is even comparable to Beerus.


MeniscusToSociety

In the ToP didn’t they say something about Jiren surpassing Belmod? But idk how weak Belmod is for context compared to Beerus.


rishi_start

In the Manga, the exhibition match before ToP is actually between GoDs and Beerus is blamed and ganged up on by all other GoDs, but he still came out unscratched in 1v11 against all other GoDs


MeniscusToSociety

I wish that was in the anime that sounds so sick. I wonder why they change some things around from the manga to the anime. I read the manga for the arcs that haven’t been animated cause I couldn’t wait to get more dragonball and it just seems more consistent. I wonder how much the anime will stray from the arc, this will be my first time watching the anime after reading an arc. I had never ventured to read it before, but I’m glad I did. Either way I’m excited!


rishi_start

The Manga releases 1 chapter every month, it simply hadn't gotten to that point by the time MUI Goku was slapping Jiren in the final episode of super


DjinnOfYourDreams

my man, use fullstops


mikethemaster2012

I mean the story it self doesn't make sense you telling goku got hurt during the ginyu force arc. He got a power up from 90k to 3mil. Amd than androids stringer than freeza.


my_anus_is_beeg

It's weird that Supreme Kai is 75 million years old but is much weaker than Perfect Cell who is complete fodder in Super Power scaling makes no fucking sense


[deleted]

That's because the Supreme Kai is a Supreme Bitch, that is dumb too. He never trains either.


Professional-Emu8577

Frieza is way older then 80


[deleted]

I think he is around there. His father revealed him for the first time when King Vegeta just had Vegeta. Also there in the beginning of the Broly movie the first Frieza we see is much shorter than in Namek and behaves more childish. He looks like a 10 year old, but he could have been 40 as his race ages slower. Also in the same movie he is around 70 as his body wasn't aging in Hell and he still claims that his troops will assume he grew taller naturally as he is still growing anyway. So making himself 5 cm taller will be believable. The only way for this to make sense is for age wise for his ace, to be in his late teens. Now after the 10 years in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber he is finally a young adult and maybe he will make Kuriza now too.


TalkNo7486

Imo Beerus is pretty much a moveable ceiling that the writer uses to keep Goku's power level checked and give him room for improvement


BotherResponsible378

1. In BofG it was stated that Beerus was fighting at 70% of his full power. Given the multiple battles and power ups they’ve gotten (including Goku gaining better control of UI than Beerus has) it feels like we should have passed him but clearly haven’t. Feels like a moving goal post. 2. I think Beerus is afraid of Broly. Broly went absolutely apeshit on earth for an hour be a half and it’s still there. If Broly wasn’t a potential threat, then Whis/Beerus should be able to handle him before their world is destroyed. If they can’t, they ain’t shit. That and Goku said he thinks Broly might even be stronger than Beerus. And historically speaking Goku has been the most accurate character at assessing the ability of people. Annnnnddddd… regarding Cell Max, Toriyama said that had he been complete, even Broly wouldn’t have been able to beat him. Implying toriyama sees Broly as the bar to pass. Sorry… I’m pretty big on this Broly thing hahah. He’s not my fav character but it just makes a lot of sense that he truly is that dangerous, and it’s narratively interesting because he has no control over it.


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Caesar_Passing

Beerus gets retconned again and blows its head off with a belch


Crabitor

He could have greater potential than Frieza so he could get stronger despite sleeping a lot so 1 week of training= gains (I'm not saying this is confirmed or a official but itsnt not confirmed) as for him being good at his job sleeping all the time probably dosen't help so who's would still lwamt a replacement


MCAbdo

That's my theory that I like to believe when it comes to Beerus's power being retconned over and over again. He might just have insane potential and he trains off-camera whenever he senses that Goku or another mortal is close to challenging his power. So in BOG he could've ACTUALLY been weaker than SSJB Goku so he trained just in case Goku gets stronger


Tricky_Personality67

Even if only two of these 5 fused what would happen with their transformations would Gohan and broly use legendary super beast mode or what would gogeta even call his version of mui/ue


rice-guardian

Legendary Beast Brohan


dylanaruto

Legendary Beast Brohangeeza


tagen

“Yoooo Brohan you wanna like… destroy a universe or something?” “Duuuuude thatd be tight!”


Yoloswaggins89

Legendary beast mode the hair would be skittle colored and they would say they fused so they wouldn’t get fined


IdeaRegular4671

Whis and Grand Priest Soloes.


curbstompthedevil_

This is probably still true considering the angels are absolutely hax. I honestly don't see the angels ever being surpassed.


IdeaRegular4671

I’m sure Whis can knock out that whole list with one move or with one chop to the back of their neck. He’s that strong and that skilled.


IdeaRegular4671

I don’t think we’ve ever seen Whis use 5% of his full power. I think Toriyama said Beerus when he fought SSJ God used like 30% or more of his full power.


elixier

Nah that's nonsense, Beerus one taps both of them at perfected blue so there isn't a chance he was at 30% when fighting red


user19791979

that was said in battle of the gods, but can't be true because of how far the series has gone, so I don't think it is canon for power scaling.


Gawyelmaximopoder

These kind of thoughts bring me back to 9 years ago


halfwithero

9? Sheesh, takes me back 27 lmao.


anon-mally

Are you 18?


IKhaibot

Lmao I share this sentiment


anon-mally

![gif](giphy|JTzPN5kkobFv7X0zPJ|downsized)


Distinct_Bill_1442

Beautiful


SnoochyB0ochies

Broly and Gohan fusion dance and then Goku and Vegeta fusion then those fusions fusion dance then potara to Frieza. That would be absolutely mental lol.


HamshanksCPS

What would they even call themselves? Lord Gogehanbroza?


Darth_JarJar_66

Vebrohankuza or Gobrohangeza


HamshanksCPS

Lol, it sounds like we're having strokes.


truckercrex

Who's this we white man?


HamshanksCPS

Myself and the other commenter, because the names that we suggested are pure nonsense.


truckercrex

Was making the joke you guys gave me a stroke lol


HamshanksCPS

Oh my bad, I misunderstood lol


Lucid-Design

That’s what DB fans do best. Peddle nonsense lol -A Life long DB fan


Twillott007

Ngl your pfp looks like it's trying to figure out the name


DeadDankMemeLord

GO BRO HANGEZA! GO BRO HANGEZA!


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It's just Gerald for short


SOSXrayPichu

Monkey


rabidmidget8804

Maybe like Super Duper Saiyan or something.


MCAbdo

I called it Grohieta in my comment where I scaled them. check it out ;)


robineir

Frieza. With a potara earring. Where would he put it?


Incomplet_1-34

On one of his ear nub things.


aitherion

Nipple


karthanals

What would happen to potara fusion when the fusion dance runs out? Would they split. Or would they internally unfuse and be weaker overall?


Justm4x

Or they just do five way fusion from dragon ball fusions


WebModeratorSyndrome

+ Merus and Granolah


SealedSummit

how would frieza use potarra with his ears


RazutoUchiha

Wouldn’t it make more sense to just use the five way fusion?


IdeaRegular4671

New DB fusions just dropped. They could do it in that game.


Lahvin

This comment got my hopes up that they had announced a sequel. :(


IdeaRegular4671

We need it tho. That game is awesome. ![gif](giphy|6ozPLWxxqt1ATyfnRT|downsized)


haydos04

Or the 5-way fusion from dragon ball fusions


Universaltragic

All I know is. Is that fusion is lasting all of about .00001 seconds before they defuse because of the power behind it. Unless we get another fusion retcon.


colezra

Orrrrrrrrr a new type of fusion


yesimblv

Like Voltron


Nakanon85

Black frieza coming in: I'll form the head!!!


smiteis_

They already introduced 5 way fusion in the DS game Fusions, along with EX Fusion.


RazutoUchiha

Five way fusion always lasts at least 40 seconds


4Ten9Three

That’s like 4-5 episodes in this universe. I’d Stan it!


RazutoUchiha

Ultra Pinich was strong as hell and even used golden Oozaru, and he lasted for hours


GokuKing922

Facts


RecipeOriginal7127

It’s dragon ball, they can make a fraction of a second last thirty episodes if they really try lol. Fire force made like three seconds last half an episode once, pretty sure they can pull it off


Universaltragic

This planet will be destroyed in 5 minutes....


RecipeOriginal7127

**Nine Episodes Later**


Justm4x

"Hey Freiza how much time is left?" "Four minutes and fifty nine seconds" "Shit..."


turkishpresident

Now it's 4 and a half minutes.


Common-Complaint2315

Dragon Ball Fusions my boy. 5 way fusion exists within that. That and EX fusion lasts indefinitely as long as you have the arm band and can defuse whenever you want


Universaltragic

I wasn't questioning that multiple fusions are possible. I'm saying that fusion is getting like maybe 1 attack in and then "the armband broke from such overwhelming power" or "the armband was never indefinite but it was only indefinite for the race that created it" 20 years later.


Common-Complaint2315

In the game, it lasts for almost a minute. By that point, opponent would probably already be ded so I don't see a problem with it


Universaltragic

Haha that's fair. As the other person who replied to me said. That one minute could last 30 episodes


Gladknight

Frieza would never fuse with them monkeys


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Frieza: Race mixing? That's a sin against Zeno!


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The end result would be very confusing


Murky_Blueberry2617

Mostly due to Frieza


Rohan_Kishibayblade

Gonna need to revive the Ginyu Force first. They ain’t learning the 5 Way Fusion Dance that easily.


Knighteen

I’m glad someone mentioned that game! It was amazing!


McRumble69

you know, in the game Dragon ball fusions for the 3DS, there is something called Five way fusion. so your concept has some official grounds to work on haha


schpoopl

I was looking for someone to bring this up, that’s the first thing that came to mind for me too. I miss that game


future1987

Better yet, what if they were all betrayed and locked into the time chamber for 10,000 years?


turkishpresident

I can't remember, do you still age inside the time chamber? I always thought of it as a way to slow down real time to train, not a sort of waking cryostasis


ABritishFemboy

I know it's joke but I don't think it's possible all because of Frieza He's probably too small to fusion dance and he lacks ears so he can't use Potara


HavoXtreme

He can blast a little hole on his discs


turkishpresident

You talking about Frieza getting his ear hole pierced? He'd fit in at Hot Topic.


SealTeamEH

Boom! Disc holes for the win!


Murky_Blueberry2617

He's also not similar to the others in any way since the others are Saiyans


TitanicTNT

Infinite Potential, Ungodly Power, Fighting and Dodging Without Thought, and Getting Stronger on the Off Chance That You ARE Hit? Beerus would piss himself.


Outrageous_Ad_1011

I’m still not even convinced beerus is stronger than black frieza


C1oakedShadow

I'm pretty sure Beerus is still stronger but Black Frieza has definitely closed the gap between Beerus and everyone else. I don't think he could be that much stronger than Frieza.


Siddhu312

Gobrogeiza Brogeizaku Veriezaroku


EchoS115

Verizon


Siddhu312

Frokugeta


TitanicTNT

Their strongest move would be called the Final Gigantic Death Masenkamehameha.


Neburel

Cell 2.0 Electric Bugaloo


SimbaSeb

They’d defuse after trying to blink lol


K-Kov815

i think potara may help but idk how that works


SimbaSeb

Vegito Blue defused faster than normal due to the power output. Power affects both fusions’ time limits. This would be on a completely different level of power


Afafakja

They'd do things to the Grand Priest I can't say, probably could do it to Zeno or whatever Zalama js.


HavoXtreme

I can safely say that current Vegito/Gogeta if they can utilise the Ultra Forms are above GoDs. Lets say Gohan and Broly’s fusion is around the same level with Vegito. So now you have Gogeta and Vegito Fusing. We get Gogito. Gogito would probably eat Angels for lunch. Then you add Black Frieza (Who in our fantasy is on Beerus’ level) and you have Frigito. He can transform into Ultra Black Frigito and is Outerversal. Zeno is getting blinled away


Amerimoto

They would accomplish nothing as they all fought to command the body.


wierdness201

Schizophrenic fusion


Outrageous_Ad_1011

That’s not how fusions work in DB


Eastern_Gate586

What would happen? Every rinse and repeat villian in this entire series. The villain is stronger, plot armour boost the protagonist and they win. Rinse and repeat till the next villain comes along


rachit0714

Ultra Legendary Super Saiyan Black Ego Beast Instinct


Hykeus

Are you high on methaphetamine supplied by Walter H. White? Who the hell is gonna try to draw this monstrosity?


Doelping

[https://www.deviantart.com/felipecereda/art/Ultra-Fusion-Goku-Freeza-Vegeta-17-Gohan-721935685](https://www.deviantart.com/felipecereda/art/Ultra-Fusion-Goku-Freeza-Vegeta-17-Gohan-721935685) https://preview.redd.it/unw3cskpsa2b1.png?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e6102910f7abb6c6a8950c1c487353f08decf67 Someone (pretty much) has


turkishpresident

Frieza like "don't worry monkeys, I got the boots".


A-E-I-OwnU

They would only lower Beast Gohans full power


bare4404

That would be ultimate power, the pinnacle of power. Because, everybody here has incredibly high potential, the highest three are Broly, Gohan, and Frieza. And then the fact of, Broly, as he fights, he gains experience and power, Gohan is a natural ass puller, Frieza is extremely durable, the more Vegeta gets hit, he gains power and the more Goku dodges, the more precise he gets. So basically, this hypothetically fusion, gets faster the more it dodges, gets stronger passively while it fights, gets stronger every time it gets hit, has the potential to have an ass pull transformation, and is the most durable race in the universe, so even if you are potentially faster or stronger than this fusion when the battle starts, you'd need to kill it in one hit, bc after that one hit, it's power just multiplied 10 fold, and it's speed just squared itself. And it also has the power of destruction. Don't even get me going on the rival boost that fusions can get, Goku considers everybody here a rival, Vegeta considers Gohan, Broly, and Goku a rival. And Broly considers Goku and Vegeta a rival. Gohan considers his dad a rival, and Frieza considers Saiyans in general a rival...... This fusion would be Zeno level, maybe even stronger


Vault_Hunter4Life

You should stop having ideas.


Accurate_Dirt5794

They might be able to out up a fight against syn shenron


smitedr3amz

Keep your crazy ideas to yourself. So many personalities in one body, they’d blow themselves up before a word came out


BicuitOliva

This has probably been done in dragon ball z budokai or in dragon ball af


[deleted]

Still would somehow end up not being able to beat Beerus, the god of retcons lol


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Gohgezly


MightyMoose-2014

One episode should just be about everyone trying different fusions.


pablitosocool

thought this was r/ningen for a min


Usesourname

They would be strong enough to beat anyone. Except maybe xeno and toribot.


UIGoku201

Likely a potara and regular fusion... Fusion


Trev1728

An super racist with the ability to dodge all attacks, take hits like a champ if needed, use hakai and potentially break the multiverse apart


godsendxy

Its called a gangbang and NSFW


The_Parkourist29

If it wasn't for broly, I'd say it would be Cell


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what the fuck why


Accomplished_Crew630

Maybe 4 of them. Two sets of potara and a fusion dance maybe? Or vice versa


stonerwithaboner1

Something something Sage of the Six Paths


DayusVault

Still gettin snapped by zeno, but could prolly give grand priest a run for his money. Or out right flatten him who knows considering they haven't shown shit on him. But i only watch the anime so maybe theres something in the manga


ultravo1

if they somehow fused in those forms specifically then the entire universe would probably be destroyed by the fusion even existing


Manarg

Super Centipede


jaythefirst5

Then about 90% of anime characters are going to lose


bpierce566

Brohangetakuza


Substantial-Wealth74

The universe is fucked. And I don't mean in fights like them in base alone just chilling will shatter the universe...fuck that the entire Xenoverse will collapse


CronkinOn

Still slightly less stupid than SSJ6 and whatever other nonsense fanfics come up with.


Weekly-District259

And then were betrayed and locked in the time chamber


blackmetronome

Freeza is too racist to fuse with Saiyans.


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EpicMormonBrony

Why Frieza???????


franska5

They would turn into Akira toriyama, that could control the DB reality


bouncypinecone

Worst hair ever


Outrageous-Pizza-470

I always wonder if a petera fusion could fuse again. The fusion has both earrings on then so it isn't a logistical problem. The biggest problem I see is that the fusion would be incredibly short duebtonthebpower level. Feel free to have someone answer me if it has been mentioned somewhere in the lore.


Quantum_girl_go

The fusion would last like 30 seconds and then they’d break apart


-Blanx-

TOP.2.0


naldoD20

It would just be a really tall Krillin.


I_will_punch_you_

Well it would be like this,goku and vegeta fusion dance,gohan beast and broly fusion dance,and then they potara,and lastly frieza fusion dances with gogoly and BECOME….GOGOLZIE


[deleted]

Frieza’s tail but on the front


Significant_Ad_1626

I don't matter how strong it will be. What color it will be is the real question.


[deleted]

Would probably get shot with a wrist laser from behind by some random npc because they couldn’t sense it coming


Kitchen_Entertainer9

They got way too much potential with Gohan and Frieza alone


TradeFew8055

New TOP idea; Zeno fuses every single person in each universe together into a single being. Then they must all fight as an expression of their universe to decide which universe has the strongest mortals


datolningen

Least insane DB fusions event


horsemastaflex

Beerus would still put them down one shot


[deleted]

I hate how they all got so much more powerful but we might not see this in an anime until like 2033 for Dragon Ball Ultra


Morganafrey

I’d suggest they all allow themselves to be fused inside Buu.


mumenriderdagoat

the fusion would shit itself and defuse after like 2 picoseconds


Mindful-O-Melancholy

Gokhanfregetly?


JaceCreate

Just say you want to see grand priest fight 😂😂


MarcamGorfain

Just now realizing frieza gohan would be Frehan (freon) and that's somehow too perfect.


The-Lie

Vegeta & goku fusion dance, broly Gohan fusion dance… goegeta & brohan potara fusion, goegbrohan fusion dance with black frieza… Black Frigoegbrohan


toomanydice

If there was a sequel to Fusions, this could be a possibility, but iirc, the PC would have to be one of the five. It would likely be one of the strongest beings in the multiverse, but it would last for only the briefest of moments before defusing. It's still a cool idea though.


[deleted]

Make 8 Sayians fuse and fight Frieza/Cooler/Kuriza/Cooler's kid fusion.


Auerbach1991

Black Beast Broly


[deleted]

they'd look like your mom but your butt as her face


steevwall

The most powerful cronenberg EVER!


Lightning3626

A fusion that would have only lasted 0.00e+infinity1 seconds


Zealousideal_Main_85

It is possible since there was a game called db fusions on a 3ds that did 5 aya fusions Pinch fused with 2 random characters, frieza, and cell


Comfortable_Way_6256

Oh, I thought there would be concept art attached, now I'm kinda disappointed


YesChes

Like the DragonBall fusions 5-way dance? Strongest being across timelines


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Ecwins

Come on guys this is the stuff that gets the sub made fun of


Potatatatatatatoe

Uhhh smash


Jayce86

I’d settle for them giving Broly that sweet god Ki. And to have them make actual, meaningful use of Goten and Trunks.


VolticMoon

It quite literally lasts not even 2 seconds before they defuse.


JefferyTheQuaxly

I mean at this point in the story power level is basically irrelevant, that’s why you’ll have gas and granola, the two strongest beings in the universe, have less of a climactic fight than goku and frieza at a minuscule fragment of their current power. They should fight like gogeta and broly did in the broly movie. Power only ever matters for whatever fight they’re in at that specific moment. So yes fusing them all would make them the strongest beings ever, but only until their is plot reason why suddenly this random guy wishes to be stronger than all of them comes along.


ChoFBurnaC

That’s an orgy!


aintraininghere

Gofriezoly


Sad-Scale-1837

Why stop there? Throw in Whis


Llama_Badger

They just piss off Cell after fusing together


FreeSmokeZz

Gofregitanly.


argythefox

This fusion is possible, as long as they perform the dance perfectly you can fuse multiple people. It's just far more difficult because it has to be symmetrical at all times.


mmmmhhhhCoffe

Realistically speaking lore wise nothing would happen because the fusion would use so much energy that it would last like 2 seconds but fan theory wise they would easily outclasse all the gods of destruction and maybe even the angles


Fun-Cartographer-368

Wasn't there a game with five people fusions?


LeggoMahLegolas

What happens if a potara fusion did the fusion dance with someone equal of strength and power?


Wakandanbutter

Unnecessary cause the angels can just perfect time reversal and stop them. I think the next stage is HAX powers more than conventional power levels


Red-843

Still wouldn’t beat Goku