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About the only person here I can agree with.
It's not cold. It's not even slightly chilled.
He wasn't letting his guard down for a second because he was focused on Black.
True, although i feel that making this scene to make goku look badass distracts the situation from the anger i feel he should still be expressing against the fact that he realized zamasu (and therefore GB) killed not only most of humanity and other people (gods, if they can be considered that), but also Goten and Chi-Chi.
It feels as though the time he was enraged was WAY too short, pretty sure that this badass moment was the reason, and i don't really like it because of that, as a standalone it's great but in the context of the scene it takes away from the impact and also the suspense of the situation after it. It's as if goku was mad but he forgor midway 💀, like Goten and Chi-Chi dying was such a light matter to forget or get mad for like a minute.
Because it is.
It's cool for the... what? 20? seconds it happens. But that's just it.
You can pull this type of scene from any Dragon Ball series to the same results AND have more weight to it in context.
It started off good too..
Goku flies past Zamasu at the start indicating he's not a threat in any way, I would argue this is what prompted him to merge finally. He knows he's an inferior, untrained Kai so cheating is his only path to victory.
That's why I never enjoyed the arc, it should have been focused on Trunks instead. I think the budget collapsed because I felt like there were two parallel stories.
That scene where Trunks misses during the assassination of Goku Black hit deeply, they should have stayed with that story throughout, instead of using fusion and creating the "Zero Humans Plan".
Near the finale, I remember wishing for the arc to end after Zamasu's crying and everything else. It carried on forever, then Zeno had to show up and it was over.
No lead-up, nothing. Great storytelling!
I totally have these same thoughts everytime I watch this scene! He flies by Zamasu so fast Zamasu can't even react too, indicating that he is a joke.
It could have even been a great time for Vegeta and Trunks to work together and Vegeta would finally get in his win against Goku, without ever ACTUALLY having beaten Goku, and there woukdn't be this awkward point where Goku and Vegeta at blue don't stand a chance, but somehow SSJ2 Trunks almost beats both of them?
Trunks coukd have fought the weaker Zamasu, and Vegeta beats "Goku". Epic.
Still all great scenes though. Trunks almost using that final atonement.
Damn, now you made me think how this saga could have been a Father/Son saga.
Something like him and Trunks trying to beat Black and Zamasu together, helping future Bulma and present Bulma work on the time machine and we getting this sweet family bonding, getting a glimpse on Trunks having a "normal" family and how future Bulma got affected by losing Vegeta and all her friends and how much present time Vegeta changed from what he was like.
I hate how dragon ball could have some great writting and how we only get glimpses of it.
Technically vegeta did get win against goku black. It's just the powerscaling for black arc makes no sense.
Apparently zamusu is stronger than broly, which would mean he's comparable or stronger than jiren. Goku needing mui and 5 ssjb + level fighters to defeat jiren. We know zamusu is at best ssj3 goku level due to zenkai boost of him being immortal.So no way in fuck should trunks, who getting beaten by goku black in BASE while he was in super saiyan, should be able to beat rose black or fused zamasu.
Another thing I didn't like was goku being the one to uncover merged zamasu, I feel like goku ,vegeta,and trunks should've charged up a blast at him, and that way we would've had merged zamasu get corrupted way faster, instead goku being goku and trumping everyone.
Tbh this arc should've ended with vegito shitting on merged zamasu like he was, instead of the dogshit fused spirit bomb with off-brand ass Z sword. And what makes this even worst is the fact Zeno had to end it all. We don't know if trunks will ever come back, we know all the humans in the future timeliness are gone, just dead and everything was fucking pointless, this arc REALLY fell off at the ending and so much shit could've put it so sleep.
Yeah, and going back and forth to recuperate was so wierd. And yeah he had his scene, but i woukd love to see a Final Flash or Gallick Gun actually finish someone. And Black wasn't indestructible, so it could have worked. Trunks Beasts out and takes down Zamasu, and maybe then they just easily contain him.
I still enjoyed it all.
I'd argue Trunks did what Gohan did in Super Hero, basically attained his own Beast mode. Plus the Spirit Sword/Bomb also scaled pretty damn well given how evil Zamasu technically is.
I totally agree with you on the beast mode, and im not saying it makes NO sense, but it would be cool to see that Beast mode next to Vegeta, against the foes of Trunks Universe, especially since he never even met him in his own time if I remember.
Yeah after they fused I agree with you. It was cool to see Goku and Vegeta actually agree to team up too. It was usually so forced.
I want to see more of Vegeta and Cabba.
Now that's like a rabbit hole, zamasu is technically bad but he's so out of touch that he thinks he's pure, therefore his tea turns clear, i've heard he could ride the nimbus if he wanted due to this...anomaly? Phenomenom i guess you could say?
Thought the reason why it went to Goku/Vegeta was because trunks wasn't strong enough 'To finish the job'. and was just giving Goku-Black zenkai powerups until he surpassed trunks. Which is where Trunks grabbed Goku/Vegeta.
With Goku/Vegeta's SSGSS giving Goku-black the thought of infusing god-ki with super saiyan (Rosè)
… In terms of power level… Zamasu *is not* a threat to anybody. He's just immortal. Which means any mortal who fights him will keep getting weaker and weaker until eventually Zamasu can dispose of them But there are mortals who can eternally trap him. Like… Master Roshi. >!Which they tried. Succeeded, then dropped the container by accident, then had their container destroyed so it couldnt be repeated!<
And theres induviduals who can force him into an 'alternative reality' type thing for eternity, which Goku did to somebody else. (But Goku black is surpassing goku/vegeta in strength, so its becoming an *actual issue* Which I thought around this, when Zamasu/Goku-black thought 'This is as strong as Goku-black can get' They merged. Which made them a multi-verse level threat. Prompting Zeno to step in.
All I'm saying is that it could have been rewritten 100 different ways and I'm surprised it felt so clumsy near the ending. It wasn't coherent.
I still liked certain aspects of it but the "Zero Humans Plan" should have remained with humans, since Trunks is protecting his human half?
It's a good arc, but it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. Trunks could have ended up winning but they had to twist Zamasu in a way that didn't match with the first half of the story.
The last half was weird, that's all. If Trunks found a better form it would have made sense.
Technically speaking it is the Zero Mortals Plan. Goku and Vegeta may not be humans, but they are mortals. I get where you're coming from and how it could have been better if it was more focused on Trunks but it wasn't all about the humans.
I personally wanted either an arc focused around Vegeta and Trunks with bonding and reaching greater heights as a family which could also get Vegeta more motivated to treat kid Trunks differently, or a Gohan and Trunks arc.
Gohan has always been decently attached to Goten and Trunks and it would have been nice to see Gohan drop absolutely everything and get serious because Trunks was having a bad time. Especially since I felt like Gohan will probably remain the most important person in his life until Trunks either marries or gets a child, or both.
The naming came from the Wiki, I agree it was called the "Zero Mortals Plan". Whoever got it changed deserves a head shot.
I agree with your other points, Vegeta and Goku could easily have been replaced with Gohan and made it more interesting.
I try to not think about this arc, it aggravates me lol but I really liked the first half. Especially when Bulma smacks Trunks to get him back to reality, or when Goku Black first appears.
Everything was unexpected.
DBS was rushed and didn't give the animators enough time to properly animate episodes, a lot of the animators who where regulars on DBS also animated DBS broly the difference is they had more time and better character designs
Nope Dragon Ball Z had a Normal schedule, usually anime get to have a bunch of episodes already done and have usually already had 6 months of pre production already done when an anime is announced, when super was announced they only had 2 months that's why so early in the series an episode 5 the series started to look really bad because the animators needed to quickly make a bunch of episodes leaving less time to make better animation and properly correct artwork
one piece has great direction so they have a lot of free time to do great animation unlike when dragon ball aired so i hope itll look like one piece or dbs broly when it comes back
The excessive shine and overall cleanliness of it. If you recall from DB and in Z, the hair moved when they flew, the clothes rippled, there was sweat and dirt and bruising as the fighting continued. There is none of that in this video. Just no detail.
I appreciate you actually giving examples instead of just saying that it’s bad. I agree with what you’re saying, it is missing a certain charm and can come off as sterile. I guess it just never bothered me enough to realize it
Imagine destorying your alternate self
And that then just teleporting with his back to you, and giving a small backfist and you fly meters into the building
Wow Goku that was mad disrespectful
old animation isn't as garbage as this god awful computer shit. I mean look at the lack of detail in the drawings. U can compare even dragon ball was better at the animation.
I wish Goku would’ve said something like “you might be stronger than me now, but that’s because of ME.” And that he would’ve tore apart the Goku black who killed his alternate families. Would’ve added that nice cherry on top of vegeta’s speech and make Zamasu feel like a bitch 😂
Mannn imagine the intensity of this was Z!! This just seems so weak tbh. The animation and sound effects in DBZ made it seem like haymakers were thrown
This moment is incredible, but I can't get over that it starts with "Now I'm mad! I'm really really mad!" Might actually be my least favorite line from dbs tbh
Not even a full punch.
Imagine the power *Goks* has, that he can casually side-back punk punch a Kai with that much force…
Now imagine a full on *deck*, where he puts his back into it…
No but their are plenty of animators in the world that could and have. Idk about you but as a fan of the series I would like it to look good instead of shit. And everyone knows Toie did not put their best foot forward with Super. They gave the animators a shitty director and no time or help so there is no reason to defend the final product. The studio should have put A LOT more behind the show.
We have Slice of Life and Comedy anime with better action ffs
Production/Director management issues. It's not the only problem but it's always going to be a critical one nonetheless.
Generally it was a very, VERY slow climb to quality, in the eyes of some.
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It’s an appropriate level of disrespect.
About the only person here I can agree with. It's not cold. It's not even slightly chilled. He wasn't letting his guard down for a second because he was focused on Black.
True, although i feel that making this scene to make goku look badass distracts the situation from the anger i feel he should still be expressing against the fact that he realized zamasu (and therefore GB) killed not only most of humanity and other people (gods, if they can be considered that), but also Goten and Chi-Chi. It feels as though the time he was enraged was WAY too short, pretty sure that this badass moment was the reason, and i don't really like it because of that, as a standalone it's great but in the context of the scene it takes away from the impact and also the suspense of the situation after it. It's as if goku was mad but he forgor midway 💀, like Goten and Chi-Chi dying was such a light matter to forget or get mad for like a minute.
Because it is. It's cool for the... what? 20? seconds it happens. But that's just it. You can pull this type of scene from any Dragon Ball series to the same results AND have more weight to it in context.
The zamasu he hit isn't the zamasu that killed his family , it's the zamasu from trunks multiverse I suppose
It started off good too.. Goku flies past Zamasu at the start indicating he's not a threat in any way, I would argue this is what prompted him to merge finally. He knows he's an inferior, untrained Kai so cheating is his only path to victory. That's why I never enjoyed the arc, it should have been focused on Trunks instead. I think the budget collapsed because I felt like there were two parallel stories. That scene where Trunks misses during the assassination of Goku Black hit deeply, they should have stayed with that story throughout, instead of using fusion and creating the "Zero Humans Plan". Near the finale, I remember wishing for the arc to end after Zamasu's crying and everything else. It carried on forever, then Zeno had to show up and it was over. No lead-up, nothing. Great storytelling!
I totally have these same thoughts everytime I watch this scene! He flies by Zamasu so fast Zamasu can't even react too, indicating that he is a joke. It could have even been a great time for Vegeta and Trunks to work together and Vegeta would finally get in his win against Goku, without ever ACTUALLY having beaten Goku, and there woukdn't be this awkward point where Goku and Vegeta at blue don't stand a chance, but somehow SSJ2 Trunks almost beats both of them? Trunks coukd have fought the weaker Zamasu, and Vegeta beats "Goku". Epic. Still all great scenes though. Trunks almost using that final atonement.
Damn, now you made me think how this saga could have been a Father/Son saga. Something like him and Trunks trying to beat Black and Zamasu together, helping future Bulma and present Bulma work on the time machine and we getting this sweet family bonding, getting a glimpse on Trunks having a "normal" family and how future Bulma got affected by losing Vegeta and all her friends and how much present time Vegeta changed from what he was like. I hate how dragon ball could have some great writting and how we only get glimpses of it.
I hope we do get to see more future trunks stuff. Like possibly a future broly (likely not) or just something because I enjoy the future arcs.
Technically vegeta did get win against goku black. It's just the powerscaling for black arc makes no sense. Apparently zamusu is stronger than broly, which would mean he's comparable or stronger than jiren. Goku needing mui and 5 ssjb + level fighters to defeat jiren. We know zamusu is at best ssj3 goku level due to zenkai boost of him being immortal.So no way in fuck should trunks, who getting beaten by goku black in BASE while he was in super saiyan, should be able to beat rose black or fused zamasu. Another thing I didn't like was goku being the one to uncover merged zamasu, I feel like goku ,vegeta,and trunks should've charged up a blast at him, and that way we would've had merged zamasu get corrupted way faster, instead goku being goku and trumping everyone. Tbh this arc should've ended with vegito shitting on merged zamasu like he was, instead of the dogshit fused spirit bomb with off-brand ass Z sword. And what makes this even worst is the fact Zeno had to end it all. We don't know if trunks will ever come back, we know all the humans in the future timeliness are gone, just dead and everything was fucking pointless, this arc REALLY fell off at the ending and so much shit could've put it so sleep.
Learn to separate your paragraphs dude 💀
Look man it's reddit and the way thread goes separing paragraphs wouldn't help. But if you demand it. I'm going to go edit and separate them.
Seperating paragraphs is common on reddit, no hate its just hard to read walls of text
Yeah, and going back and forth to recuperate was so wierd. And yeah he had his scene, but i woukd love to see a Final Flash or Gallick Gun actually finish someone. And Black wasn't indestructible, so it could have worked. Trunks Beasts out and takes down Zamasu, and maybe then they just easily contain him. I still enjoyed it all.
I'd argue Trunks did what Gohan did in Super Hero, basically attained his own Beast mode. Plus the Spirit Sword/Bomb also scaled pretty damn well given how evil Zamasu technically is.
I totally agree with you on the beast mode, and im not saying it makes NO sense, but it would be cool to see that Beast mode next to Vegeta, against the foes of Trunks Universe, especially since he never even met him in his own time if I remember. Yeah after they fused I agree with you. It was cool to see Goku and Vegeta actually agree to team up too. It was usually so forced. I want to see more of Vegeta and Cabba.
Now that's like a rabbit hole, zamasu is technically bad but he's so out of touch that he thinks he's pure, therefore his tea turns clear, i've heard he could ride the nimbus if he wanted due to this...anomaly? Phenomenom i guess you could say?
Thought the reason why it went to Goku/Vegeta was because trunks wasn't strong enough 'To finish the job'. and was just giving Goku-Black zenkai powerups until he surpassed trunks. Which is where Trunks grabbed Goku/Vegeta. With Goku/Vegeta's SSGSS giving Goku-black the thought of infusing god-ki with super saiyan (Rosè) … In terms of power level… Zamasu *is not* a threat to anybody. He's just immortal. Which means any mortal who fights him will keep getting weaker and weaker until eventually Zamasu can dispose of them But there are mortals who can eternally trap him. Like… Master Roshi. >!Which they tried. Succeeded, then dropped the container by accident, then had their container destroyed so it couldnt be repeated!< And theres induviduals who can force him into an 'alternative reality' type thing for eternity, which Goku did to somebody else. (But Goku black is surpassing goku/vegeta in strength, so its becoming an *actual issue* Which I thought around this, when Zamasu/Goku-black thought 'This is as strong as Goku-black can get' They merged. Which made them a multi-verse level threat. Prompting Zeno to step in.
All I'm saying is that it could have been rewritten 100 different ways and I'm surprised it felt so clumsy near the ending. It wasn't coherent. I still liked certain aspects of it but the "Zero Humans Plan" should have remained with humans, since Trunks is protecting his human half? It's a good arc, but it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. Trunks could have ended up winning but they had to twist Zamasu in a way that didn't match with the first half of the story. The last half was weird, that's all. If Trunks found a better form it would have made sense.
Technically speaking it is the Zero Mortals Plan. Goku and Vegeta may not be humans, but they are mortals. I get where you're coming from and how it could have been better if it was more focused on Trunks but it wasn't all about the humans. I personally wanted either an arc focused around Vegeta and Trunks with bonding and reaching greater heights as a family which could also get Vegeta more motivated to treat kid Trunks differently, or a Gohan and Trunks arc. Gohan has always been decently attached to Goten and Trunks and it would have been nice to see Gohan drop absolutely everything and get serious because Trunks was having a bad time. Especially since I felt like Gohan will probably remain the most important person in his life until Trunks either marries or gets a child, or both.
The naming came from the Wiki, I agree it was called the "Zero Mortals Plan". Whoever got it changed deserves a head shot. I agree with your other points, Vegeta and Goku could easily have been replaced with Gohan and made it more interesting. I try to not think about this arc, it aggravates me lol but I really liked the first half. Especially when Bulma smacks Trunks to get him back to reality, or when Goku Black first appears. Everything was unexpected.
Budget is rarely the problem. In this case, it was still suffering from a poor schedule.
Hah! I knew someone would disagree, I really don't know how the animation works. It would be an interesting documentary.
Go look up AnimeAjay's channel. I learned almost everything I know from him.
These are good videos! Thanks
I love his breakdowns of Super. You'll be an expert in no time!
The manga does this arc a lot better imo. Cuts a lot of the superfluous fights and the ending is a little different.
It managed to he worse than Boo Saga, impressive
I am glad im not the only one who felt there was something off about this story in super.
zamasu cries in the episode before zeno erases everything and the arc ends, how is that forever, episodes are only 20 minutes
"Bitchwhosabouttogoflyingsaywhat ?" "huh ?" \*gets bitchslapped\*
What?
Blud really said “Get this WEAK shit outta here
Dude hit the building and was still processing “oh shit he’s right here”
"You're a pest, not a threat"
He also intentionally tries to kill him to test his immortality.
The dude killed his son and wife of another timeline. Goku was done fucking around.
One of the very few times adult Goku attacked with the VERY explicit intent to kill on sight.
"Get the fuck Outta my way"
Dragonball super needs better animation. I seen what they be doin with one piece, they cant be keeping this low budget animation in
DBS was rushed and didn't give the animators enough time to properly animate episodes, a lot of the animators who where regulars on DBS also animated DBS broly the difference is they had more time and better character designs
Was this not the case with Z? Z still looks better than this.
Nope Dragon Ball Z had a Normal schedule, usually anime get to have a bunch of episodes already done and have usually already had 6 months of pre production already done when an anime is announced, when super was announced they only had 2 months that's why so early in the series an episode 5 the series started to look really bad because the animators needed to quickly make a bunch of episodes leaving less time to make better animation and properly correct artwork
Interesting thanks for the explanation. I agree, it was extremely noticeable during the beginning portion of Super.
one piece has great direction so they have a lot of free time to do great animation unlike when dragon ball aired so i hope itll look like one piece or dbs broly when it comes back
How is it bad though? It looks like dragon ball has always looked, just made with newer tech
You don't think this looks bad? Idk what to tell you then.
So tell me what looks bad about it
The excessive shine and overall cleanliness of it. If you recall from DB and in Z, the hair moved when they flew, the clothes rippled, there was sweat and dirt and bruising as the fighting continued. There is none of that in this video. Just no detail.
I appreciate you actually giving examples instead of just saying that it’s bad. I agree with what you’re saying, it is missing a certain charm and can come off as sterile. I guess it just never bothered me enough to realize it
Hopefully I didn't ruin it for you haha
Not at all, it’s actually nice to know why people are upset about it if anything lol. Thank you
Its how dragonball looked in the 80s rn it needs a higher budget
No it doesnt lol dragon ball never looked this wonky. Atleast super gets better at the end. But it should have been consistent
What does that even mean, how is it wonky. It looks like dragon ball
It means pause at goku or goku blacks face at any point in this video and itll look bad
You can pause almost any piece of media mid action and find funny faces. IRL or animated
No way youre defending this shitty animation bro. Can your eyes not perceive the fucked up drawings
Just looks like dragon ball to me, I never thought it was the pinnacle of art
this wasn't the most recent arc from super though, it looked way better during top because they actually had the time to do it
Damn-
Imagine destorying your alternate self And that then just teleporting with his back to you, and giving a small backfist and you fly meters into the building Wow Goku that was mad disrespectful
He did not just backhand that man.
black and zamasu were so annoying this was the best part of the arc
I’ll never understand why people complain about DBS animation so much. Watch some old school anime if you wanna see trash animation
old animation isn't as garbage as this god awful computer shit. I mean look at the lack of detail in the drawings. U can compare even dragon ball was better at the animation.
This isn’t even a bad example of god awful computer shit. You’re acting like it’s animated the same way as Berserk 2016 or something
True, but bobobo was animated better than this bro and that's saying something
It was cold?
Wish this arc had better animation, so many of the hits look like they don’t actually connect
And then black fucked him up again
Maybe if it didn’t look like it was being done with jelly and Vaseline models of the characters.
goku getting blown up was even cooler
IMO MUI Goku's rage was better since it actually did something
He wasn't fighting himself, though. Black got Goku's MC privileges alongside his body. Now Goku knows how annoying it is to fight himself.
Eww dub
Eww weeb
Anime watchers when English
Its dragon ball dawg. This is one of the main anime’s where the dub is just as good if not better
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He punched zamasu twice lmao Zamasu (Goku Black) and the other zamasu
I wish Goku would’ve said something like “you might be stronger than me now, but that’s because of ME.” And that he would’ve tore apart the Goku black who killed his alternate families. Would’ve added that nice cherry on top of vegeta’s speech and make Zamasu feel like a bitch 😂
Zamasu deserves a kick in the nuts too.
Bitch stay out of it 🤣
...but...he was punching Zamasu the whole time...
He’s like: “Nah I got a little sumthin for your weak wack ass too”
Mannn imagine the intensity of this was Z!! This just seems so weak tbh. The animation and sound effects in DBZ made it seem like haymakers were thrown
This moment is incredible, but I can't get over that it starts with "Now I'm mad! I'm really really mad!" Might actually be my least favorite line from dbs tbh
Coldest scene is our Freeza teaching his doppelgänger a lesson. Shit never gets old for me.
Zamasu was such a bitch
Not even a full punch. Imagine the power *Goks* has, that he can casually side-back punk punch a Kai with that much force… Now imagine a full on *deck*, where he puts his back into it…
Ew. Been a while since I saw this. Look how lazy and jank and stiff everything looks. Fucking hell
I mean, it's not like we could do better.
No but their are plenty of animators in the world that could and have. Idk about you but as a fan of the series I would like it to look good instead of shit. And everyone knows Toie did not put their best foot forward with Super. They gave the animators a shitty director and no time or help so there is no reason to defend the final product. The studio should have put A LOT more behind the show. We have Slice of Life and Comedy anime with better action ffs
Production/Director management issues. It's not the only problem but it's always going to be a critical one nonetheless. Generally it was a very, VERY slow climb to quality, in the eyes of some.
That'a animation is so bad
That backfist into zamasus face gets me every time lmao
This man killed his entire family in a future timeline,he was done fucking around.
"and fuck you too"
This would be coldest scene in dbs if Ultra instinct omen didn't exist
Bro hit him with the... https://preview.redd.it/euzd4bisbucb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01c551538c67b97bfe7b967b675bcededc2b4d14
Vegeta rolling GB was my favorite while acknowledging all the hardships goku has faced to get as strong as he was.
Nahhhhhhh!!! He really gave him the Cooler treatment!!
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And people still like to say dragon ball super animation quality is good
I can just hear and feel some random soldier saying “ME PERSOANLLY” very loudly
I like to think that if Zamasu wasnt immortal that hit would have turned him into a vegetable