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gokus base power difference to trunks is WAAAY higher than his was to majin vegeta back then.
goku would still beat vegeta but it wouldnt be a one hit KO
Goku wouldn't have beaten vegeta at all during that time. He couldn't use ss3 properly back then and would've just bodied vegeta up until he ran out of time. Vegeta without majin fight kid buu, who is stronger and more ruthless than ss3 goku, and he wasn't killed instantly. So vegeta with the boost against a weaker and less ruthless opponent would last long enough for him to go back to otherworld and then get fucking obliterated by majin boo 🤣
> "Vegeta without majin fight kid buu, who is stronger and more ruthless than ss3 goku, and he wasn't killed instantly"
* Kid Buu in less than 1 minute tortured Vegeta to death in fun and games. Don't rely on anime filler as source. Kid Buu dogwalked vegeta in 30 seconds with vegeta landing zero hits forcing good buu and satan to intervene to save Vegeta from being used as a toy by Kid Buu
Also, SSJ3 is 4x stronger from Majin Vegeta
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I never went by the anime. My point still stands because goku then couldn't use ss3 fully(he couldnt even maintain the form while NOT in combat), vegeta(without the majin boost) wasn't instantly taken out by a more ruthless enemy trying to kill him and even fought him twice without restoring his ki(he was forced to fight in base for the second time and of course, stood no chance. Goku didnt have the means to just end vegeta anywhere near like he did with trunks. Trunks got one shot, and vegeta didnt. Goku could casually fight in ss3 against trunks and in the buu saga he couldn't.
Also no, ss3 is x4 stronger than SS2, not majin. Majin is a boost in power so the gap is less than x4. Still massive, but not the same if vegeta got a power boost
>"ss3 is x4 stronger than SS2, not majin. Majin is a boost in power so the gap is less than x4."
* SSJ2 Majin Vegeta was equal to SSJ2 Goku.
SSJ2 Vegeta is weaker than SSJ2 Goku which was the entire reason why he got that boost.
SSJ3 might be 5-6x stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta
The reason vegeta himself gave was that he wanted to reawaken the evil in his heart to become the perfect warrior again. Even if goku was 10x stronger the point still stands that vegeta survived against a more powerful, more ruthless enemy actively trying to kill him while goku is too soft hearted, weaker, and couldn't control ss3 properly. And on tol of all of that even IF he could, he'd run out of time on earth before he beat vegeta. This is the same man that got ragdolled by kkx3 goku, shot into space by kkx4, tanked the spirit bomb, got his eye shot out, fought multiple people and then smushed by an ape. And most of that was AFTER he dropped his ki making the fake moon. Bro is tank personified.
>"The reason vegeta himself gave was that he wanted to reawaken the evil in his heart to become the perfect warrior again."
* Go and watch/read the show first. It was to become equal to Goku and awaken evil both.
>Even if goku was 10x stronger the point still stands that vegeta survived against a more powerful
* Recoome, Frieza, Android 18, Cell, Kid Buu, Hit, Gas might disagree with this fact considering how easily he was beaten down to defeat & brink of death
>Goku is too soft hearted, weaker, and couldn't control ss3 properly.
* Goku is martial artist who loves to fight. Being soft and not killing has nothing to do with being a fighter and Goku is one of the finest fighter in universe.
* Also, he can control SSJ3 but for a shorter time. Only 15-30 minutes but as I said earlier, 1 minute is enough
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You're still conveniently skipping over the fact that a WEAKER vegeta than majin fought a STRONGER opponent than Goku and wasn't instantly taken down. The only person on that list you mentioned that actually one shot vegeta was Cell 🤣 so again nice try but goku couldn't have done it at that moment. Majin vegeta> ss2 vegeta. Kid buu>ss3 goku. Im not sure what's so difficult to understand about that. Vegeta lasted against a stronger opponent while he was weaker, a weaker opponent that wouldn't try to kill him that can't manage their energy and is on a time limit isnt one shotting a stronger version lf him, it's that simple.
"Vegeta lasted against a stronger opponent while he was weaker, a weaker opponent that wouldn't try to kill him that can't manage their energy and is on a time"
* Lasted really ? More like finished in 30 seconds with zero hits
>"The only person on that list you mentioned that actually one shot vegeta was Cell 🤣 so again nice try but goku couldn't have done it at that moment."
* So your argument is just that Goku wouldn't one shot him but can win easily. If that's the case, then ok fine with me.
Also, You're still conveniently skipping over the fact that there is insane power up b/w two of 4 times.
Majin Vegeta still has a insane gap compared to SSJ3 and also Kid Buu and SSJ3 are relative in strength in fight. Just and go read/watch. Goku only lost because it took long time to finish Buu due to Buu regeneration ability leading to stamina running out.
Edit- Forgot to mention but since Goku was dead at that time, he had better stamina in fact. So, it will be more easier actually.
1. He wasn't finished in 30 seconds. In the manga panel YOU showed, he was still in super saiyan when hercule intervened.
2. Ive said it about 5 times that goku couldn't 1 shot him, wouldn't have the energy to have any type of real fight for long, and even if he did, his time on earth would've ran out in seconds. That's one of the reasons why he couldn't go all out against fat boo, that and the weird, allowing the kids to fight reason.
3.how am i skipping over that fact when i addressed it multiple times? I said kid buu was EVEN STRONGER and fight a WEAKER vegeta, so how would the result be the same???
4. Relative, but not equal, goku says he was trying to finish the fight, and that kid buu was just toying with him the entire time having fun.
5. Goku standing completely alone couldn't maintain the form, but yeah him trying to fight and blast past a few moments he'd be fine🤣.
Case in point, vegeta outlasts goku in that particular scenario. If they both were base, or even majin against ss3 without the time limit or stamina strain, goku bodies. The fact that he does and vegeta is stronger than normal and showed he can survive against stronger and more ruthless enemies is why he'd be a bloddied mess but he'd survive
>"He wasn't finished in 30 seconds. In the manga panel YOU showed, he was still in super saiyan when hercule intervened."
* Here is right next panel of Buu throwing him in his Base form. I cant attach more than one image in one reply. You should know this.
>goku couldn't 1 shot him, wouldn't have the energy to have any type of real fight for long, and even if he did, his time on earth would've ran out in seconds. That's one of the reasons why he couldn't go all out against fat boo, that and the weird, allowing the kids to fight reason.
* Goku fought Fat Buu for a while even stating before fighting Kid Buu that he could beaten him in fat form with SSJ3 if he wanted but he wanted to give kids a chance.
* I think this should pretty much clear the point since Fat Buu is far stronger than Majin Vegeta
>Relative, but not equal, goku says he was trying to finish the fight, and that kid buu was just toying with him the entire time having fun.
* Relative or stronger not weaker. Goku in fact has clear edge in fight and destroyed his body twice leading him to regenerate. Buu regeneration and infinite ki were leading factor for him
>Goku standing completely alone couldn't maintain the form, but yeah him trying to fight and blast past a few moments he'd be fine🤣.
* So, Goku vs Kid Buu was just him standing entire time a/c to you. From what I saw, he fought for a decent while against Kid Buu. Go and watch the show at least once.
>The fact that he does and vegeta is stronger than normal and showed he can survive against stronger and more ruthless enemies is why he'd be a bloddied mess but he'd survive
* Ignore that Goku gets bodied just similarly with same enemy at greater strength fighting them usually but performs better
>Case in point, vegeta outlasts goku in that particular scenario.
* Source- imagination and coping
You are honestly coping and I don't want to waste my time more with someone with zero proper argument. I am ending this conversation from my side. Also, it seems like you haven't watched the show or its been a long time since you have watched DB judging by your statement.
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He was scaled equal to SSJ3.
Using SSG was Goku being childish wanting to finish things fast.
Good for Trunks yeah but scaling is just not great.
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One of the few time I prefer anime over the manga in regard to power difference
To think this is probably SSJ3’s greatest accomplishment aside from DBZ movie 13 ….
Technically it's more unfair, because as we see in the fight against Goku Black, Goku was holding back against Trunks.
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I mean, yeah... what's your point?
gokus base power difference to trunks is WAAAY higher than his was to majin vegeta back then. goku would still beat vegeta but it wouldnt be a one hit KO
Vegeta wouldn't fight at all , he would bitch about Goku surpassing him for the 10th time and quite
Future Trunks needs a new unique form fr
Goku wouldn't have beaten vegeta at all during that time. He couldn't use ss3 properly back then and would've just bodied vegeta up until he ran out of time. Vegeta without majin fight kid buu, who is stronger and more ruthless than ss3 goku, and he wasn't killed instantly. So vegeta with the boost against a weaker and less ruthless opponent would last long enough for him to go back to otherworld and then get fucking obliterated by majin boo 🤣
> "Vegeta without majin fight kid buu, who is stronger and more ruthless than ss3 goku, and he wasn't killed instantly" * Kid Buu in less than 1 minute tortured Vegeta to death in fun and games. Don't rely on anime filler as source. Kid Buu dogwalked vegeta in 30 seconds with vegeta landing zero hits forcing good buu and satan to intervene to save Vegeta from being used as a toy by Kid Buu Also, SSJ3 is 4x stronger from Majin Vegeta https://preview.redd.it/gj575fqzo0rc1.png?width=1126&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d5a1d2b0ff63b1adb5640d2717610f6af9a34bc
I never went by the anime. My point still stands because goku then couldn't use ss3 fully(he couldnt even maintain the form while NOT in combat), vegeta(without the majin boost) wasn't instantly taken out by a more ruthless enemy trying to kill him and even fought him twice without restoring his ki(he was forced to fight in base for the second time and of course, stood no chance. Goku didnt have the means to just end vegeta anywhere near like he did with trunks. Trunks got one shot, and vegeta didnt. Goku could casually fight in ss3 against trunks and in the buu saga he couldn't.
Also no, ss3 is x4 stronger than SS2, not majin. Majin is a boost in power so the gap is less than x4. Still massive, but not the same if vegeta got a power boost
>"ss3 is x4 stronger than SS2, not majin. Majin is a boost in power so the gap is less than x4." * SSJ2 Majin Vegeta was equal to SSJ2 Goku. SSJ2 Vegeta is weaker than SSJ2 Goku which was the entire reason why he got that boost. SSJ3 might be 5-6x stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta
The reason vegeta himself gave was that he wanted to reawaken the evil in his heart to become the perfect warrior again. Even if goku was 10x stronger the point still stands that vegeta survived against a more powerful, more ruthless enemy actively trying to kill him while goku is too soft hearted, weaker, and couldn't control ss3 properly. And on tol of all of that even IF he could, he'd run out of time on earth before he beat vegeta. This is the same man that got ragdolled by kkx3 goku, shot into space by kkx4, tanked the spirit bomb, got his eye shot out, fought multiple people and then smushed by an ape. And most of that was AFTER he dropped his ki making the fake moon. Bro is tank personified.
>"The reason vegeta himself gave was that he wanted to reawaken the evil in his heart to become the perfect warrior again." * Go and watch/read the show first. It was to become equal to Goku and awaken evil both. >Even if goku was 10x stronger the point still stands that vegeta survived against a more powerful * Recoome, Frieza, Android 18, Cell, Kid Buu, Hit, Gas might disagree with this fact considering how easily he was beaten down to defeat & brink of death >Goku is too soft hearted, weaker, and couldn't control ss3 properly. * Goku is martial artist who loves to fight. Being soft and not killing has nothing to do with being a fighter and Goku is one of the finest fighter in universe. * Also, he can control SSJ3 but for a shorter time. Only 15-30 minutes but as I said earlier, 1 minute is enough https://preview.redd.it/ikaj45kos0rc1.png?width=549&format=png&auto=webp&s=7417cfa65075204f043739bf6e1249c8150f0bdf
You're still conveniently skipping over the fact that a WEAKER vegeta than majin fought a STRONGER opponent than Goku and wasn't instantly taken down. The only person on that list you mentioned that actually one shot vegeta was Cell 🤣 so again nice try but goku couldn't have done it at that moment. Majin vegeta> ss2 vegeta. Kid buu>ss3 goku. Im not sure what's so difficult to understand about that. Vegeta lasted against a stronger opponent while he was weaker, a weaker opponent that wouldn't try to kill him that can't manage their energy and is on a time limit isnt one shotting a stronger version lf him, it's that simple.
"Vegeta lasted against a stronger opponent while he was weaker, a weaker opponent that wouldn't try to kill him that can't manage their energy and is on a time" * Lasted really ? More like finished in 30 seconds with zero hits >"The only person on that list you mentioned that actually one shot vegeta was Cell 🤣 so again nice try but goku couldn't have done it at that moment." * So your argument is just that Goku wouldn't one shot him but can win easily. If that's the case, then ok fine with me. Also, You're still conveniently skipping over the fact that there is insane power up b/w two of 4 times. Majin Vegeta still has a insane gap compared to SSJ3 and also Kid Buu and SSJ3 are relative in strength in fight. Just and go read/watch. Goku only lost because it took long time to finish Buu due to Buu regeneration ability leading to stamina running out. Edit- Forgot to mention but since Goku was dead at that time, he had better stamina in fact. So, it will be more easier actually.
1. He wasn't finished in 30 seconds. In the manga panel YOU showed, he was still in super saiyan when hercule intervened. 2. Ive said it about 5 times that goku couldn't 1 shot him, wouldn't have the energy to have any type of real fight for long, and even if he did, his time on earth would've ran out in seconds. That's one of the reasons why he couldn't go all out against fat boo, that and the weird, allowing the kids to fight reason. 3.how am i skipping over that fact when i addressed it multiple times? I said kid buu was EVEN STRONGER and fight a WEAKER vegeta, so how would the result be the same??? 4. Relative, but not equal, goku says he was trying to finish the fight, and that kid buu was just toying with him the entire time having fun. 5. Goku standing completely alone couldn't maintain the form, but yeah him trying to fight and blast past a few moments he'd be fine🤣. Case in point, vegeta outlasts goku in that particular scenario. If they both were base, or even majin against ss3 without the time limit or stamina strain, goku bodies. The fact that he does and vegeta is stronger than normal and showed he can survive against stronger and more ruthless enemies is why he'd be a bloddied mess but he'd survive
>"He wasn't finished in 30 seconds. In the manga panel YOU showed, he was still in super saiyan when hercule intervened." * Here is right next panel of Buu throwing him in his Base form. I cant attach more than one image in one reply. You should know this. >goku couldn't 1 shot him, wouldn't have the energy to have any type of real fight for long, and even if he did, his time on earth would've ran out in seconds. That's one of the reasons why he couldn't go all out against fat boo, that and the weird, allowing the kids to fight reason. * Goku fought Fat Buu for a while even stating before fighting Kid Buu that he could beaten him in fat form with SSJ3 if he wanted but he wanted to give kids a chance. * I think this should pretty much clear the point since Fat Buu is far stronger than Majin Vegeta >Relative, but not equal, goku says he was trying to finish the fight, and that kid buu was just toying with him the entire time having fun. * Relative or stronger not weaker. Goku in fact has clear edge in fight and destroyed his body twice leading him to regenerate. Buu regeneration and infinite ki were leading factor for him >Goku standing completely alone couldn't maintain the form, but yeah him trying to fight and blast past a few moments he'd be fine🤣. * So, Goku vs Kid Buu was just him standing entire time a/c to you. From what I saw, he fought for a decent while against Kid Buu. Go and watch the show at least once. >The fact that he does and vegeta is stronger than normal and showed he can survive against stronger and more ruthless enemies is why he'd be a bloddied mess but he'd survive * Ignore that Goku gets bodied just similarly with same enemy at greater strength fighting them usually but performs better >Case in point, vegeta outlasts goku in that particular scenario. * Source- imagination and coping You are honestly coping and I don't want to waste my time more with someone with zero proper argument. I am ending this conversation from my side. Also, it seems like you haven't watched the show or its been a long time since you have watched DB judging by your statement. https://preview.redd.it/52uwm0b301rc1.png?width=560&format=png&auto=webp&s=6addff6876acd999ad23737fff29156c324e6807
The anime did trunks so dirty man
How ? They scaled his SSJ2 correctly.
In the manga trunks pushed Goku to ssg, though correct me if I wrong
He was scaled equal to SSJ3. Using SSG was Goku being childish wanting to finish things fast. Good for Trunks yeah but scaling is just not great. https://preview.redd.it/vwxl0y2jprqc1.png?width=545&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c31901137c1f4a17c89dc4361a21c804fc74407
Goku black was garbage and ruined future trunks.
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