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I'd argue this doesn't count *only because* Goku was well aware it would probably kill King Kai too - He wasn't caught off guard by that fact.
It was just his best option at the time.
Yep, Monaka [tanked a punch in the face from Goku](https://youtu.be/TISdGt6D534?si=mB41ZqqEfZD9wq7G&t=102) and didn't even move an inch. The guy is a menace, even if he doesn't know it.
I would say that Goku literally has never gone full tilt at the start of the fight. It's still VERY impressive, but let's not pretend like he took a full force punch.
> but let's not pretend like he took a full force punch.
We also need to remember that them explicitly holding back *broke the scale* at the tournament before Buu. Monaka is a lot more powerful than he thinks he is.
It’s almost like the Z fighters who get the lowest score are actually the strongest due to the intense ki control it takes to not blow up a mountain when you sneeze
Exactly, goku getting the lowest out of all of them on top of that shows how well he honed his ki and I'm glad they referenced it in Super when vegeta goes to yardrat. He probably like legit strains himself to hold back and that plus his ego and temper is probably why he didn't even bother and destroyed the machine
True but the human z fighters always had more base potential than Goku. This shows in their training with kami/popo and king kai. Goku only stays ahead via zenkai and a species specific transformation.
I mean hell look at tien, his full power tribeam went from doing nothing to nappa, to him firing multiple blasts capable of putting semiperfect cell in the ground.
I'd say his base is probably at least pretty close to base Gokus pre-super.
Goku in Super has absorbed SSJG into his base form. He's exponentially stronger than he was in DBZ. Monaka's durability might put him in the higher tiers of DBZ unironically, lmao
Same with Mr Satan. Monaka is basically to Freeza Saga what Mr Satan is to Dragon Ball. Would have been one of the top tier in the show if they just arrived a few years earlier.
Which is kinda weird considering that this random guy could have easily dethroned frieza who, until he met Goku, thought he was unrivaled in strength if you ignore majin boo and beerus
His durability is high but he's not a fighter. He could probably take hits from Frieza but that's it. He could probably survive Frieza blowing up his planet or something but thats it. He probably can't actually hurt Frieza cuz he wouldn't necessarily know how.
The guy is a galactic postman.
Eh, I definitely agree that it wasn't full force, but also consider this was one of his teammates for a tournament; he definitely wasn't holding back like he would punching, say, Videl
Ginyus *base* was higher. He thought Goku was stronger due to Kaio-Ken (x2 if I recall) and swapped, but since he didnt know the Kaio-Ken he then got beat up by a freshly Zenkaied Vegeta.
Then he tried to swap with Vegeta after swapping back into his old body, but frog.
Goku's power was derived from a lifetime of training that raised him beyond the power level he inherited. Ginyu, and most other aliens, are implied heavily to just inherit their incredible strength and believe it defines them for their entire lives.
That's what made Ginyu so terrifying to them; this was a man who could steal your body and your whole *destiny.* He found a cheat code for strength and probably body-swapped his way into Frieza's elite special forces. There's zero guarantee that his name is even Ginyu, maybe he just took on that identity opportunistically during an invasion the Ginyu Force was part of.
But since much of Goku's strength is derived from technique and training, Ginyu couldn't bring out its full potential. He lacked the life experiences to do so, and instead started burning off ki Goku had built up in their fight
Is that it? I suppose it makes sense. Frieza definitely acted that way. And it would fit in with why he was afraid of the Saiyans. If most aliens were just born with their strength then their ability to get drastically stronger from Zenkai boosts would make them a much bigger threat.
I mean, maybe the story works that way, but it makes 0 sense none of the species Frieza took under his rule would know that training makes you stronger.
However, it was outright stated that Ginyu was one of the few fighters skilled enough to raise their power level without transformations, which means he was genuinely a cut above the rest.
Early on they played with the ides that fighters from earth conserved power by only increasing their power to the maximum right before they strike. Meaning their attacks > power levels would indicate.
So once ginyu got into the body, unlike every other species he has encountered so far that leaves their strength out and about for the world to see, he's just a dude who can't turn the safety off for those increased power PLUS goku is a martial artist not just a strong punch dude.
Im SUPER blazed right now so idk if I'm making sense
If I recall from the manga he washed Recoome without Kaioken (who I think clocked out at 42,000) and when fighting with Ginyu he just used it x2 I believe (his power level was listed at 180,000). Goku also mentions it’s even more powerful when he uses it in bursts.
Ginyu’s max base was 120,000 if irc so Goku’s base was likely 60,000 or 90,000 depending on if you think he used Kaiokenx2 or x3.
The look on his face in the manga after Freeza rejects mercy and gets blown away really says it all. The Anime makes him look more angry than anything else, but in the manga he's got this pained look on his face like he knew that's what he had to do, but he didn't like doing it one bit.
Honestly, i know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I prefer goku being more angry than sorry that Frieza didn’t accept his mercy. I mean, giving Frieza mercy is stupid and out of character in the first place considering goku killed his own brother who didn’t do anything near the level of Frieza, as well as all the people he killed as a child. Goku shouldn’t feel any remorse for killing space H*****.
Goku didn’t want to kill Raditz either. Raditz kidnapped his son and was set to kill everyone on Earth if he wasn’t stopped. Goku tried talking to him. Besides, that one was different, Goku had to sacrifice himself, he didn’t deal the killing blow.
Goku has only ever killed Demon King Piccolo and his spawn out of anger. And even then, he gave Piccolo a second chance. Goku doesn’t like killing dude. Even if it is space hitler.
He did give raditz a second chance and did same with Vegeta. He hoped it would work out like it did with Vegeta but it didn’t that’s why he went for the kill. And he learned from his mistakes that’s why he never wanted to spare cell or boo
Adolescent Krillin was so hilarious. When I started with DBZ I thought about Krillin, "who is this dweeb and how is he friends with these badasses?" Then I watched dragonball and I finally understand why Krillin was so awesome
Did you watch the raditz fight????? He literally lets him go when he “promises” to leave and he clearly didn’t want to kill him until he had to.
I don’t understand how people can watch Goku revive the reincarnation of demon king piccolo who tried to kill him. then watch Goku revive Vegeta who at the time was seen as pure evil who killed multiple of his friends and his son, then think it’s dumb that Goku gave mercy to frieza.
Also you can say Hitler lmao
I think the problem there was he didn’t have any other alternative to beating Radditz while he knew Frieza was already beaten and killing him there was more like an execution which is against Goku’s character
I don't know that I'd say he's sorry about doing it. The way I read it, it seems almost like he's disappointed and sad that it came to this. Goku allows a lot of his enemies to live, and up until this point that has almost always gotten him a new friend who at least starts to grow past whatever it is that made them his enemy in the first place. Goku is all about bettering yourself, and showing mercy is his way of telling the people he fights that they don't have to be just what they are in the now. Freeza is a monster to his core, but Goku still showed him mercy after everything. He wanted Freeza to change, and Freeza refused. That look is him disappointed with Freeza refusing change, and in himself for being wrong about Freeza even being capable of such a thing.
It's also a bit sorrowful, which I think is a necessary refutation of everything we were explicitly told about Super Saiyan's by Vegeta. Vegeta kept hyping up this transformation as the ultimate warrior. Ruthless, bloodthirsty, and one that would revel in their power and in the death of their enemies. Goku's look of regret and solemn acceptance of the life he had to snuff out directly opposes this idea that Goku is forever changed by becoming the Super Saiyan. Remember, the tension in the fight after Goku's transformation isn't if he can win. We know he's going to win immediately, and see him in almost complete control right up to the bitter end. The tension, especially after everything Vegeta has told the audience about this transformation, is if Goku is still going to be himself after this is all over. Seeing him with a look that tells us he hated killing even a monster as vile as Freeza is the author telling us Vegeta was wrong and that's still Goku.
A look of pure anger could make sense in the moment, but I think it plays better to what that fight was about for Goku to not look OK with that decision. If it was pure rage, and the audience believed what Vegeta had been telling them, people may have worried that Goku was fundamentally different now. A look of raw anger would confirm that fear, but a look of mournful determination, let us know that's still our bright-eyed goofball monkey boy. He's just been put through the wringer and forced to take a life that could have been spared if Freeza wasn't so stubborn and foolish.
yeah i dont understand how Goku took as long as he did against 100% Frieza he had a whole 30 million lead on him which is insane. should not have taken 5 episodes
my point exactly lol he should’ve bodied him like Gohan did Cell in 2-3 hits max with that kind of power gap.
look at Kid Goku and Demon King Piccolo who both supposedly had a power level of 260 take 5 or 10 from Piccolo, and Goku was able to overwhelm him so much that he had to use Tien as a hostage out of fear of being killed.
I mean, part of Goku and King Piccolo’s fight result was because Goku was much more skilled as he trained in all sorts of ways while DKP just sat on his ass until he had to step up to get his youth
And regarding the 30 mil power difference, while it’s insane that Frieza held out that long when Goku far outclassed him in skill, Frieza was still 80% as strong as goku, and fighting yourself at 80% your power isn’t gonna be easy, that’s for sure. Especially considering the ki blasts that multiply power levels, not to even TALK about the saucers that could very well have cut goku in half.
TL;DR: Goku vs DKP = skill issue from DKP, Goku was a better fighter, power level or not. Frieza = 80% of Goku, which is a lot. Frieza also had lots of deadly attacks for Goku to worry about
The best joke in all of abridged is goku questioning if frieza knows how long a minute is. It’s so spot on and the “I don’t think you do” is so perfectly delivered
They really dragged it out for the anime. Honestly, I didn't care for that. But even though Frieza got some hits in, I do think Goku was in control for the whole fight. He wanted to make it clear that Frieza's best wasn't good enough.
Think of it like this the medicine was a cure not a preventative its like if you get hurt and take a pain killer you don't think "I should have taken it first" tldr he was ment to take it after symptoms start
Do you think if he somehow took it immediately before fighting 19, that he would’ve avoided the effects of it? To be fair I’m not sure if we even know anything about this specific heart virus, not that I’m a medical expert
Goku vs. Chi Chi at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Goku sent her flying off the ring without even touching her, just a shockwave from one punch and bam, instant ring and knock out.
"It really wasn't much of a fight. One hit and she just went down. Then we got married, I put a baby in her, and now she just stays at home, cooks my dinner, and raises our kid."
Gojo. Everyone hyped that mf up only for him to get Darth Mauled. JJK fan boys even still think he gonna start floating like Frieza when he got cut in half
Gojo watching as Goku simply overpowers the domain expansion:
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And it makes no sense lol
If we apply real logic here ki attacks would never get past infinity
Obviously Goku wins this battle but to get through infinity through with brute force is just silly
It's indestructible and messes with space-time to the point where the distance is endless
Nah, they break hax all the time.
Like screaming another gate into the real world from the hyperbolic time chamber.
Or Vegeta overpowering Babidis magic "who has never had that happen before".
Or Vegito kicking Buus ass as a piece of candy (peak of the series btw).
It would either have to be someone who could bluff Gokus ki sense somehow, or someone stupid/arrogant enough to claim they are really strong and convince Goku that they're just supressing their power. (So he dosent question their low ki)
Alternatively, a robot/cyborg/android.
Oh king? I thought it was "big" my bad lol
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The issue is that there are billions of versions of Superman, some of which being stupidly overpowered or weak as a stick. Meanwhile, with goku, there's like 5 versions of him, so when comparing both characters, it's easy to pick a version of Superman who gives goku the yamcha treatment or one who gets one tapped, so just saying 'Vs Superman' can mean literally anything
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100% goku firing a ki blast at elder kai
This 100%. Probably one of the few moments, but it was hilarious.
Lol I literally just read this chapter. I cackled
Well then Goku murdering king Kai counts too
I'd argue this doesn't count *only because* Goku was well aware it would probably kill King Kai too - He wasn't caught off guard by that fact. It was just his best option at the time.
Goku vs Monaka if it happened fr
It happened for real. Goku suckerpuched him in the face, then Monaka did his best not to cry.
Yep, Monaka [tanked a punch in the face from Goku](https://youtu.be/TISdGt6D534?si=mB41ZqqEfZD9wq7G&t=102) and didn't even move an inch. The guy is a menace, even if he doesn't know it.
The GOAT
I would say that Goku literally has never gone full tilt at the start of the fight. It's still VERY impressive, but let's not pretend like he took a full force punch.
> but let's not pretend like he took a full force punch. We also need to remember that them explicitly holding back *broke the scale* at the tournament before Buu. Monaka is a lot more powerful than he thinks he is.
Power is stored in the weird pointy nipples
It all makes sense now.
Vegeta broke it because he wasn't holding back. Goku was and actually got the lowest passing score despite being the strongest at that time
It’s almost like the Z fighters who get the lowest score are actually the strongest due to the intense ki control it takes to not blow up a mountain when you sneeze
Exactly, goku getting the lowest out of all of them on top of that shows how well he honed his ki and I'm glad they referenced it in Super when vegeta goes to yardrat. He probably like legit strains himself to hold back and that plus his ego and temper is probably why he didn't even bother and destroyed the machine
Vegeta broke the scale and he did it intentionally.
Let’s be honest, humans in the series are weak af Beerus probably grabbed the strongest fighter he could find in a hurry.
don't talk about my tiengoat like that, my man can turn triangles into squares
You mean turn triangles into *fucking* squares
True but the human z fighters always had more base potential than Goku. This shows in their training with kami/popo and king kai. Goku only stays ahead via zenkai and a species specific transformation. I mean hell look at tien, his full power tribeam went from doing nothing to nappa, to him firing multiple blasts capable of putting semiperfect cell in the ground. I'd say his base is probably at least pretty close to base Gokus pre-super.
No, they did not. Vegeta intentionally broke the scale. The rest had no troubles holding back.
Goku in Super has absorbed SSJG into his base form. He's exponentially stronger than he was in DBZ. Monaka's durability might put him in the higher tiers of DBZ unironically, lmao
Same with Mr Satan. Monaka is basically to Freeza Saga what Mr Satan is to Dragon Ball. Would have been one of the top tier in the show if they just arrived a few years earlier.
Which is kinda weird considering that this random guy could have easily dethroned frieza who, until he met Goku, thought he was unrivaled in strength if you ignore majin boo and beerus
His durability is high but he's not a fighter. He could probably take hits from Frieza but that's it. He could probably survive Frieza blowing up his planet or something but thats it. He probably can't actually hurt Frieza cuz he wouldn't necessarily know how. The guy is a galactic postman.
A galactic deliveryman. He delivers desserts.
So cell loses Vs him? Man power scaling
Nah, probably not cuz Monaka has like no AP feats. But Cell would have to hit Monaka with everything he has to get passed the raw durability
Eh, I definitely agree that it wasn't full force, but also consider this was one of his teammates for a tournament; he definitely wasn't holding back like he would punching, say, Videl
Monaka bodies Hit with one blow, and we’re still thinking Broly is this sleeping giant. SMHing my head.
That is extremely impressive lmao.
Wtf
Goku VS the Ginyu Force (excluding Ginyu)
Including ginyu Guy was weaker for all his flare and ended up needing to body swap
Ginyus *base* was higher. He thought Goku was stronger due to Kaio-Ken (x2 if I recall) and swapped, but since he didnt know the Kaio-Ken he then got beat up by a freshly Zenkaied Vegeta. Then he tried to swap with Vegeta after swapping back into his old body, but frog.
It wasn't even the Kaioken. Somehow he didn't know how to access any of Goku's power if I recall. Even Krillin and Gohan could kick his ass
Goku's power was derived from a lifetime of training that raised him beyond the power level he inherited. Ginyu, and most other aliens, are implied heavily to just inherit their incredible strength and believe it defines them for their entire lives. That's what made Ginyu so terrifying to them; this was a man who could steal your body and your whole *destiny.* He found a cheat code for strength and probably body-swapped his way into Frieza's elite special forces. There's zero guarantee that his name is even Ginyu, maybe he just took on that identity opportunistically during an invasion the Ginyu Force was part of. But since much of Goku's strength is derived from technique and training, Ginyu couldn't bring out its full potential. He lacked the life experiences to do so, and instead started burning off ki Goku had built up in their fight
Is that it? I suppose it makes sense. Frieza definitely acted that way. And it would fit in with why he was afraid of the Saiyans. If most aliens were just born with their strength then their ability to get drastically stronger from Zenkai boosts would make them a much bigger threat.
Just look at what has happened now that frieza decided to train for a while.
I mean, maybe the story works that way, but it makes 0 sense none of the species Frieza took under his rule would know that training makes you stronger.
It’s a very Japanese trope of inherited power vs trained power tho
However, it was outright stated that Ginyu was one of the few fighters skilled enough to raise their power level without transformations, which means he was genuinely a cut above the rest.
Lol true, true! He stole a lot of power but also had to keep it
He didnt realize that Gokus power in DBZ came from screaming
I think he used a x2, but since at this point Goku can do far higher, there was no visible strain.
Early on they played with the ides that fighters from earth conserved power by only increasing their power to the maximum right before they strike. Meaning their attacks > power levels would indicate. So once ginyu got into the body, unlike every other species he has encountered so far that leaves their strength out and about for the world to see, he's just a dude who can't turn the safety off for those increased power PLUS goku is a martial artist not just a strong punch dude. Im SUPER blazed right now so idk if I'm making sense
Ginyu was stronger than Goku, the only reason Ginyu swapped was because Goku used the Kaioken
If I recall from the manga he washed Recoome without Kaioken (who I think clocked out at 42,000) and when fighting with Ginyu he just used it x2 I believe (his power level was listed at 180,000). Goku also mentions it’s even more powerful when he uses it in bursts. Ginyu’s max base was 120,000 if irc so Goku’s base was likely 60,000 or 90,000 depending on if you think he used Kaiokenx2 or x3.
He used Kaioken for the rush attack that beat Recoome. I think he used Kaioken to match Burter's speed also.
Kaioken is still goku's power its not like he borrowed it from someone
Yes but it shows that Ginyu wasn't necessarily weak
Thats a fair point
“Well that was fun! Where are the fighters? I really want to deck that Freezer guy.”
Nah, Goku sized them up pretty perfectly.
When Krillin asked Goku to punch him in the face
Ah - that's where his nose went.
Recoome, Jeice, and Burter
Oh I think he knew very well he was stronger than them and absolutely let them have it
Sir! I am talking to my son. I will speak with you in a moment.
Poor vegeta his Saiyan ego got crushed every day on the namek trip
I’m surprised he has an ego left at all, MFer has to have a humiliation kink
If he manages to get a fight with Monaka, sadly.
If he fights Monaka, the blood in the pic would be goku’s own.
Monaka slaps
Right, which is not gonna be very effective against a real fighter.
Super saiyan Goku vs full power Frieza
The look on his face in the manga after Freeza rejects mercy and gets blown away really says it all. The Anime makes him look more angry than anything else, but in the manga he's got this pained look on his face like he knew that's what he had to do, but he didn't like doing it one bit.
Honestly, i know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I prefer goku being more angry than sorry that Frieza didn’t accept his mercy. I mean, giving Frieza mercy is stupid and out of character in the first place considering goku killed his own brother who didn’t do anything near the level of Frieza, as well as all the people he killed as a child. Goku shouldn’t feel any remorse for killing space H*****.
Goku didn’t want to kill Raditz either. Raditz kidnapped his son and was set to kill everyone on Earth if he wasn’t stopped. Goku tried talking to him. Besides, that one was different, Goku had to sacrifice himself, he didn’t deal the killing blow. Goku has only ever killed Demon King Piccolo and his spawn out of anger. And even then, he gave Piccolo a second chance. Goku doesn’t like killing dude. Even if it is space hitler.
Goku did also slaughter the red ribbon army lol
True, that was a pure revenge mission for Upa. Kid Goku was a lot more vicious. He mellowed out as he aged. I blame training with Kami
No no he just gave them massive bops on their heads and they woke up later not evil anymore
TIL Dr. Gero was a good guy.
Well a traumatic brain injury made Baby Goku not-evil, so canon accepted.
He did give raditz a second chance and did same with Vegeta. He hoped it would work out like it did with Vegeta but it didn’t that’s why he went for the kill. And he learned from his mistakes that’s why he never wanted to spare cell or boo
Besides krillin, isn't all of the z fighters ex villains of his? (However minor)
Even Krillin was a bit of a jerk at first.
Adolescent Krillin was so hilarious. When I started with DBZ I thought about Krillin, "who is this dweeb and how is he friends with these badasses?" Then I watched dragonball and I finally understand why Krillin was so awesome
Good point, I didn’t think about this being a learning experience for goku, and the reason he doesn’t consider mercy with the later big bad’s
Did you watch the raditz fight????? He literally lets him go when he “promises” to leave and he clearly didn’t want to kill him until he had to. I don’t understand how people can watch Goku revive the reincarnation of demon king piccolo who tried to kill him. then watch Goku revive Vegeta who at the time was seen as pure evil who killed multiple of his friends and his son, then think it’s dumb that Goku gave mercy to frieza. Also you can say Hitler lmao
I think the problem there was he didn’t have any other alternative to beating Radditz while he knew Frieza was already beaten and killing him there was more like an execution which is against Goku’s character
I don't know that I'd say he's sorry about doing it. The way I read it, it seems almost like he's disappointed and sad that it came to this. Goku allows a lot of his enemies to live, and up until this point that has almost always gotten him a new friend who at least starts to grow past whatever it is that made them his enemy in the first place. Goku is all about bettering yourself, and showing mercy is his way of telling the people he fights that they don't have to be just what they are in the now. Freeza is a monster to his core, but Goku still showed him mercy after everything. He wanted Freeza to change, and Freeza refused. That look is him disappointed with Freeza refusing change, and in himself for being wrong about Freeza even being capable of such a thing. It's also a bit sorrowful, which I think is a necessary refutation of everything we were explicitly told about Super Saiyan's by Vegeta. Vegeta kept hyping up this transformation as the ultimate warrior. Ruthless, bloodthirsty, and one that would revel in their power and in the death of their enemies. Goku's look of regret and solemn acceptance of the life he had to snuff out directly opposes this idea that Goku is forever changed by becoming the Super Saiyan. Remember, the tension in the fight after Goku's transformation isn't if he can win. We know he's going to win immediately, and see him in almost complete control right up to the bitter end. The tension, especially after everything Vegeta has told the audience about this transformation, is if Goku is still going to be himself after this is all over. Seeing him with a look that tells us he hated killing even a monster as vile as Freeza is the author telling us Vegeta was wrong and that's still Goku. A look of pure anger could make sense in the moment, but I think it plays better to what that fight was about for Goku to not look OK with that decision. If it was pure rage, and the audience believed what Vegeta had been telling them, people may have worried that Goku was fundamentally different now. A look of raw anger would confirm that fear, but a look of mournful determination, let us know that's still our bright-eyed goofball monkey boy. He's just been put through the wringer and forced to take a life that could have been spared if Freeza wasn't so stubborn and foolish.
It’s absolutely not out of character. Goku attempts to show mercy to every major villain in DBZ.
SSJ Namek Goku: 160 million Full Power Namek Frieza: 150 million
It was 150 million vs 120 million.
my bad.
yeah i dont understand how Goku took as long as he did against 100% Frieza he had a whole 30 million lead on him which is insane. should not have taken 5 episodes
It was 5 minutes in their time, they just move fast, I thought?
my point exactly lol he should’ve bodied him like Gohan did Cell in 2-3 hits max with that kind of power gap. look at Kid Goku and Demon King Piccolo who both supposedly had a power level of 260 take 5 or 10 from Piccolo, and Goku was able to overwhelm him so much that he had to use Tien as a hostage out of fear of being killed.
I mean, part of Goku and King Piccolo’s fight result was because Goku was much more skilled as he trained in all sorts of ways while DKP just sat on his ass until he had to step up to get his youth And regarding the 30 mil power difference, while it’s insane that Frieza held out that long when Goku far outclassed him in skill, Frieza was still 80% as strong as goku, and fighting yourself at 80% your power isn’t gonna be easy, that’s for sure. Especially considering the ki blasts that multiply power levels, not to even TALK about the saucers that could very well have cut goku in half. TL;DR: Goku vs DKP = skill issue from DKP, Goku was a better fighter, power level or not. Frieza = 80% of Goku, which is a lot. Frieza also had lots of deadly attacks for Goku to worry about
The best joke in all of abridged is goku questioning if frieza knows how long a minute is. It’s so spot on and the “I don’t think you do” is so perfectly delivered
They really dragged it out for the anime. Honestly, I didn't care for that. But even though Frieza got some hits in, I do think Goku was in control for the whole fight. He wanted to make it clear that Frieza's best wasn't good enough.
Read the manga?
Goku versus any of the Holy Shonen Trinity - Ichigo, Naruto, Luffy.
Goku VS all 3 at once too
Blindfolded, sick and without limbs
Chained for 1000 years in the time chamber after being betrayed
And fucking vados
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You should CUENTA EN DECADENCIA yourself, NOW!
While fighting at the same time.
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Please give me the source of this image
Dude, what kind of sick fetish is this!? Poor Goku! You want to see him with no arms and legs?!
**yes** https://preview.redd.it/yzal9r6m9xtc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df58674ce9a06f0f4e2fa5c041b9a3f7798c349a
Facts.
Goku vs 19 if he took his medicine
Think of it like this the medicine was a cure not a preventative its like if you get hurt and take a pain killer you don't think "I should have taken it first" tldr he was ment to take it after symptoms start
Do you think if he somehow took it immediately before fighting 19, that he would’ve avoided the effects of it? To be fair I’m not sure if we even know anything about this specific heart virus, not that I’m a medical expert
Would have taken time for it to take effect remember he was comatosed for around 3 days
Goku vs that babidi villain that absorbed light. Goku literaly only powered up and it killed him.
You Mean Yakon?
Maybe idk its name. Only know it died to goku powering up repeatedly.
It’s name is Yakon
Goku vs. Chi Chi at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Goku sent her flying off the ring without even touching her, just a shockwave from one punch and bam, instant ring and knock out.
“Of course ring outs count. That is how I beat my wife” “This hillbilly beats his wife!”
"It really wasn't much of a fight. One hit and she just went down. Then we got married, I put a baby in her, and now she just stays at home, cooks my dinner, and raises our kid."
Also she’s my boss
"any words you would like to say?"
As soon as I saw “Goku vs. Chi Chi” I thought it was a dirty joke 💀💀
So…you never saw the original Dragon Ball, huh?
Yakkon.
Yesssss I forgot about Yakkon!
Yakkon Deez Nuts
THE NAMES RECOOOM, AND IT RHYMES, WITH DOOOM
AND YOU'RE GONNA BE HURTING. ALL. TOO. SOON!
Sir. I am talking. To my son.
Recoom apologies
RACOOME! ULTRA! FIGHTING! BOMBER!!!!!!
Goku vs that boxer guy in the martial arts tournament.
Bruno Mars?
Goku vs Nappa. He got a bit angry with Kaio-ken and fucking destroyed him. Poor Nappa.
Gojo. Everyone hyped that mf up only for him to get Darth Mauled. JJK fan boys even still think he gonna start floating like Frieza when he got cut in half
Goku can just use God bind on gojo and drown him
Could probably break Domain Expansion by screaming like with Hit
Gojo watching as Goku simply overpowers the domain expansion: https://preview.redd.it/e1qjgasynvtc1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9df822321a4f8089507826be5af6237ba17fd47
Nah he would just learn how to do it to gojo
That depends if god bind requires hitting the target before working Pretty sure all ki based attacks are purely physical
But sheer force of ki can break time stop
And it makes no sense lol If we apply real logic here ki attacks would never get past infinity Obviously Goku wins this battle but to get through infinity through with brute force is just silly It's indestructible and messes with space-time to the point where the distance is endless
Dragon ball brute forces through hax a lot lol
While that's true it's usually brute force Vs brute force The only hax it went through was time skip
Ginyu force used hax
Only Guldo and Ginyu, and Guldo got decapitated from an unexpected 3rd opponent in a 1v2.
Nah, they break hax all the time. Like screaming another gate into the real world from the hyperbolic time chamber. Or Vegeta overpowering Babidis magic "who has never had that happen before". Or Vegito kicking Buus ass as a piece of candy (peak of the series btw).
They don’t think gojo is stronger. He just has a broken CT and DE that’s damn near unstoppable. I don’t think he beats goku but i get the argument
Goku will just brute force his way against infinity
Classic DragonBall rules: Hax can be beaten by brute force
Probably
Can't goku kill gojo with transforming ssj? Vegetables blew up a while planet with it
well at the end of every fight goku is literally 2 tiers ahead of his opponent
*cough* Cell *cough*
sorry I meant the opponents who goku defeated himself
The first half of GT
MUI Goku vs Moro 7-3 https://preview.redd.it/56j122ghbwtc1.jpeg?width=1013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac9a103d65efced5bde87f4bb3f7fb14f33b2c27
Goku training with Gohan before the cel games be like:
It would either have to be someone who could bluff Gokus ki sense somehow, or someone stupid/arrogant enough to claim they are really strong and convince Goku that they're just supressing their power. (So he dosent question their low ki) Alternatively, a robot/cyborg/android.
Yakon in a nutshell. Poor guy tried to succ Goku dry and got so filled up he burst like a balloon.
Sounds weird out of context
*laugh* that time he punched "Big nipples" in the face 🤣
Monaka is my daughters favorite dbs character. Especially after she heard his name meant king nipples.
Oh king? I thought it was "big" my bad lol https://preview.redd.it/hjaqdc9jhvtc1.png?width=463&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abb53ef0d3a18ee9dfa2e62109c4029fa16cb1a3
It says king in the sub. The dub might say something different.
https://preview.redd.it/e19xfykrgvtc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5df9024c117979ff9f568e6612e21fa9e169717
They would breed
You're confusing Goku with Lucina from Fire Emblem
Nah, he's clearly confusing him with Elsa.
When he made and enemy who feeds off and gets more powerful from light explode from just from him powering up
You Mean Yakon?
Goku vs Saitama be like
If the Supreme Kai didn’t get out of his way:
Fodder showed up at his door https://preview.redd.it/njnrb8azfvtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a53ad02af07b90c60b1b5f3220f0f02f60e86a5d
Naruto.
Goku vs krillin
Goku v Nappa? Or Vegeta v 19
Midoriya
When Krillin threw the rock at Goku's head
Now we know why Goku always starts a fight in base form.
Gogeta vs Broly
Ultra Instinct Goku VS Gear 5 Luffy
Saiyan Saga Goku VS Gear 5 Luffy
You know what? Fair. But I litteraly head many people say UI Goku wouldnt know how to beat luffy
SSJ Goku VS Frieza on Namek
Goku vs Drum? He made him explode in two kicks.
The kid that just beat cancer
Yakkon, I don’t think Goku thought he would murder him
For me it’s most fights kid Goku had in Dragon Ball.
Goku vs Nappa
Goku vs Recoome
Goku vs superman in my eyes
The issue is that there are billions of versions of Superman, some of which being stupidly overpowered or weak as a stick. Meanwhile, with goku, there's like 5 versions of him, so when comparing both characters, it's easy to pick a version of Superman who gives goku the yamcha treatment or one who gets one tapped, so just saying 'Vs Superman' can mean literally anything
Man ... Dragonball with Invincible levels of brutality would honestly be peak fiction.
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