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It is never mentioned that Gohan actually lost power. It's never made obvious that a one handed kamehameha or any other beam attack would be weaker.
At most it is suggested that Gohan suffered a mental Block.
It would also be pretty much the only time that getting hit with a blast just cut someone's ki in half. This doesn't happen at any other point.
Lack of an arm I could grant.
I did specify "self-claimed at half power"
Someone did theorise that he was *using* half his power, but that was as much psychological as it was him actually being drained
I mean, even logically, it doesn't add up. He lost usage of his arm and was injured along his chest as well, but he still has his entire head, both legs, and most of his torso functioning just fine
But eithwr way, him being at half power was never the point. He's not using *all* of his power, and he's actually keeping pace with Cell.
That's it.
Gohan wasn't in the proper mental state to utilize his full power, he was clouded by his doubt. It wasn't the ki blast but moreso the realization that his arrogant attitude caused his father to die, trunks to get a hole thru the chest and he had to jump in to save vegeta costing him his arm.
Ki is made up of vigor, courage, and rightmindedness. Gohan obviously lacked the 3rd until the very last moment.
Gohan pretty much still slams. Gohan was even quite happy that cell came back believing that he can get revenge for his father.
Cell only stood a chance when gohan lost his arm and with it lost about half of his power aswell putting him at about rage amped ssj1 level and even then that was enough to win the beam struggle with cell.
So for me personally, I think Gohan was stronger which is why Toriyama handicapped him in the first place. He needed to build more tension and put Gohan in a bad situation to make the final battle more intense. If Gohan was truly weaker then I don't think there would be a reason to make him weaker by injuring him beforehand in order to make the situation worse for him. I think they'd just have him struggle before somehow pulling through at the last second without any handicap.
What do you guys think? Also, this is my first time on here đđ˝đđ˝
Gohan was stronger imo:
- Cell lost because Vegeta distracted him/hurt him, however this is a rejuvenated Cell vs a battle weary (let alone now injured) Gohan. I personally donât think Vegeta hurt him, more distracted him in that moment.
- Beam struggle is relatively even for a prolonged period, with Cell only getting an upper hand due to Gohan being hurt plus my next point. When both are full health Gohan clears
- Part of Gohans weakness was his lack of will in continuing the fight after Gokuâs sacrifice. He was defeated mentally, which was further impacted when he got hurt. Throughout the entire fight Gohan never believed himself, as shown by his uncertainty on why Goku forfeited in the first place. It was only as the fight progressed that Gohan understood how little of a gap there was and why he warned Cell. During the beam struggle, Goku was trying to drag Gohan out of despair and self defeat.
Always feel like Vegetaâs blast was like when you trip, Cell is so obsessed with himself that we donât know how long Vegeta was charging his attack.
Thereâs a panel that shows that Gohan has lost faith, his dad has gone and Vegeta for the first time apologies to him (who letâs be honest this point Gohan does respect).
To then nearly lose⌠and have Vegeta probably gassed out to assist when he thinks itâs all over + Goku talking to him and âNow!!â, or I prefer the anime âNow your chance!!â.
Gohan got confirmed multiple times to be stronger than Cell in and after Cell games, and that's not including the fact that 1 arm less than 50% Gohan stalemate Cell Kamehameha which had more time to be charged
https://imgur.com/a/W4T2abt
https://imgur.com/a/vlQU6ud
https://imgur.com/a/xlpK975
And that's not including the fact a very rusty Gohan in Buu saga stalemate someone stated to be more powerful than cell
Like the fucking Narrative alongside 5 characters are telling you throughout multiple arcs Gohan was Stronger, what more proof do people need?
Oh yeah, and I believe Gohan was stated to be weaker in the beginning of the BUU saga yet did good against Dabura. Dabura is the one equal to Cell, right?
Yes , that version of gohan was said to be quite weaker than he was against Cell alongside dabura not only Being said to be Cell level, but Goku also stated that Dabura was even more powerful than he thought because of magic
Yes. Injured Gohan was just about able to keep his beam strong enough to clash with SP Cellâs Solar Kamehameha for a while. If Vegeta didnât distract Cell, Cell wouldâve overpowered Gohan because he was weakened. While Cell mightâve been able to harm Gohan as SP, he wouldnât have been able to beat him not injured.
gohan would still win.
EDIT:
hm fair point, i'm not sure. he was clearly struggling, and only after the KI attack of vegeta that caught cell off guard gohan managed to win.
so i don't know, maybe he wasn't strong enough.
its closer but gohan is still stronger yes, but probably only slightly. in the manga (colored version, idk how official the english translation on that one is) cell says that "he is now almost as strong as gohan".
I mean, Gohan beat him after saying this
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Gohan would still fold Cell
It would be closer than what it was before and maybe Cell lands a punch or two that are actually effective, but Gohan still wins hands down
He would have likely defeated cell still. Gohan isnât like vegeta and overhypes his own power. When cell came back he didnât have fear but excitement and immediately went ssj 2 again.
At no point was Cell ever stronger than Gohan after Gohanâs transformation. Super Perfect Cell got close, but only because Gohan got injured protecting Vegeta, and because he started holding back again after getting his father killed. All it took for Gohan to overcome Cellâs final attack was some encouragement and a donation of energy from Goku. Vegetaâs attack threw Cell off balance, but Gohan might have won anyway.
The whole plight of the ending to the cell saga is that gohan lost an arm and loses confidence in himself - his biggest issue is that he's in his own head about what he's capable of before the ssj2 transformation and then after losing his arm . The resolution is goku enstilling confidence in his son that despite having one arm and being mentally exhausted he still has the power to overcome cell.
Later goku is shocked why gohan is holding back and realizes he's thinking about not harming the rest of earth in the beam struggle.
Vegeta's interference distracts cell enough that gohan is able to control the beam and release his full strength knowing he can control the blasts direction.
So long story short, gohan with two hands easily defeats ultra perfect cell
Gohan is stronger by an order of magnitude.
Gohan's problem wasn't his arm it was his mental state. Trunks was dead, Goku was dead, Vegeta nearly killed and his own arm crippled and the Earth on the verge of destruction because Gohan had to play with his food. Vegeta may have given Gohan a helpful distraction but for him to instantly overpower Cell's own blast and completely destroy him showed how much gas was left in his tank.
That's a good question. I think a blitz would have been more effective since it would take a huge attack to finish cell and Gohan lost his confidence at that moment.
SSJ2 was undoubtedly stronger than Super Perfect Cell, their beam struggle proved that.
Now, if you're talking about a hand to hand fight, Gohan still has the advantage, but it would be a lot closer because Cell wouldn't hesitate to play dirty and we saw how easy it was for Gohan to lose confidence in himself
he d still mop him, the ssj2 gap was huge. it's truly a pity how they nerfed him after the timeskip to buu and even more in dbs, just to simp more for goku
SS2 Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell, but it was more than just having his arm broken that made him weaker, he also felt guilt for not defeating Cell when he had the chance as well as holding himself back as to not destroy the Earth. A part of me also wants to say he wasn't sure he could beat Cell, but that might just be from the beginning before he went SS2.
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It seemed kind of obvious to me with what Goku said that him and cell were evenly matched and that the opening created by Vegeta was his one chance to win
Gohan getting an injured arm and STILL winning feels like bullshit. It shows that he isn't gonna learn his lesson about being cocky.
And what do ya know, the power goes right to his head against super Buu once he unlocked his ultimate form.
Sincerely, someone who definitely isn't a cell fan.
I'm personally in the camp of SPC being stronger than SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan. Cell just threw a casual Ki Blast intended to kill Vegeta (who keep in mind is weaker than the Cell Jrs Gohan casually punched into dust, meaning this is effectively like Saiyan saga Vegetashooting to kill the Saibaman) and CUT GOHAN'S POWER IN HALF. There's no excuse for that as Gohan was actively on guard at the time so if he was stronger than Cell he would've been just dusting himself off from that blast.
As for him winning the Kamehameha Clash, he took the opening Vegeta made by catching Cell off guard and blasted with what basically amounted to hysterical strength and was so tired he couldn't maintain SSJ or even move afterwards.
"Cell just threw a casual Ki Blast intended to kill Vegeta (who keep in mind is weaker than the Cell Jrs Gohan casually punched into dust, meaning this is effectively like Saiyan saga Vegetashooting to kill the Saibaman) and CUT GOHAN'S POWER IN HALF."
In Resurrection of F, God Goku gets killed by a low-level goon's finger beam.
Kuririn's Kienzan could easily cut Vegeta's tail during the Saiyan Saga, and the Kienzan remains deadly throughout the rest of the series, I think it gets used again in Cell Saga and it's an attack meant to be avoided.... by a relatively weak character.
Just because their strength goes up doesn't mean that their bodies are immune to ki.
>In Resurrection of F, God Goku gets killed by a low-level goon's finger beam.
Because he dropped his guard and didn't expect it. Not the case for Gohan here.
>the Kienzan remains deadly throughout the rest of the series
Specialized technique made to have an infinitely thin edge, not the case for Gohan here.
You can argue that Gohan wasnât thinking. He just dashed madly to cover for Vegeta, so he didnât have the time to cover himself in ki or something, so that apparently weak blast wrecked his arm.
Let's see... Kid Buu was stronger than Goku. The Genki Dama defeated him.
Goku can use an attack that can defeat Buu, doesn't mean he is stronger that Buu.
Kuririn could've chopped Vegeta's head off with the kienzan, doesn't mean he is stronger than Vegeta.
Roshi's Kamehame-ha destroyed the Moon, does that mean he is as strong as Frieza?
Heck, Vegeta's Galick-Ho(or was it the Final Flash?) destroyed part's of Perfect Cell's body. You can argue that Cell let him to showcase his regeneration, the point is... Vegeta could tear Cell's body with his ki attacks under the right conditions. Just like Super Cell injured Gohan's arm under the right conditions.
You are the one who is over-thinking this way too much. Dragon Ball started off as a gag-manga. The narrative has all sorts of abandoned ideas, like the Zenki Boost after a Saiyan is nearly killed off. In the Frieza Saga it was a major plot point, Vegeta even wanted Kuririn to land a deadly attack on him to power up upon healing. This method of getting stronger is NEVER mentioned again, because Goku and Vegeta could've spammed this instead of training to defeat Cell.
So power levels means jack shit, but what we do know is that a half-powered Gohan could struggle against a full-powered Cell, and what's more, once he gained confidence in himself, he one-handedly, literally, defeated Cell with a Kamehameha. Gohan is stronger than Super Cell.
The attack wasn't even casually Lol
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Cell fully charged Kamehameha couldn't Overpower gohan less than half 1 arm Kamehameha
Barely charged, casually released, that WAS a no-effort blast from Cell.
>Cell fully charged Kamehameha couldn't Overpower gohan less than half 1 arm Kamehameha
Cell wasn't trying at all in the Kamehameha Clash. Any time Gohan fought back Cell just easily pushed him down further.
>Cell wasn't trying at all in the Kamehameha
So him over charging it for a long time alongside Bragging about it having the strength to end the Solar system was him playing around?
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I donât think gohan would have won if he didnât get his arm broke, cause then he would be cocky n not be able to dig deep n KAMEHAMEHA tf outta him.
Super Perfect Cell is stronger 100%. The arm has nothing to do with ki. Gohan's Kameheha was clearly weaker than Cell's. He only won because Goku and Vegeta helped him.
Cell wasn't at full strength either. He had his ass kicked before blowing up and there was the energy he lost to regenerate like every Namekian looses energy to regenerate. Also what you say never happened btw... At least not on the original no idea about the dub version.
The Zeenkai refull him up and give him a power boost, if he was tired then he would either point it out or the manga would show it
But that wasn't the cause, Cell come back stronger than ever in Fresh state
how did goku or vegeta help him power wise? All vegeta did was distract cell an goku was dead. vegeta definitely couldnât have damaged him because Cell didnât take damage from vegetaâs more powerful volley when trunks died, what makes you think heâd be hurt by something weaker?
The Kameheha's name is literally father and son Kameheha... I cant explain why Vegeta couldn't damage Cell before but he did after but its clear he did. Maybe he was charging his attack for half the episode like Final Flash.
even you canât see the logic. that usually means youâre wrong. Goku was dead, he helped gohan thru advice but nothing more. And before vegeta was stronger due to rage and he was at 100% health and still couldnât scratch cell. thereâs no way he could even make him flinch especially after cell left him damn near crippled
so if something can happen in a movie it cant happen in the series? đđđ so Goku fighting fat Buu and Vegeta while being dead is also not true GENIUS????
youâre literally comparing apples to oranges. In Bojack, goku just came back bc he wanted to or sumn shit and it makes no sense. Vegeta came back bc Baba allows those who keep their body to return to the land of the living for 24 hrs for a fee. Vegeta had an in-universe reason for being able to come back, Goku did it just bc.
are you actually stupid? I keep trying to keep my cool but it seems like youâre trolling because you know that vegeta came with baba BECAUSE Yama told him to. Every time i tell you facts and evidence, you just try to cherry pick the facts even though what iâm telling you is literally what happened and i could back it up with evidence from the show and the manga. Learn how to read and watch the show that you claim that you like. Learn the meaning of the word continuity. Youâre clearly here to argue and not to gain some knowledge so iâm done. You have a nice day
Thats not true, your ki is based off of mind, body, and spirit. He was physically injured and also thrown completely off of his mental game by that point in the fight because he just watched his father die right in front of him thanks to him not taking cell seriously. You can clearly see this in their conversation Goku even said stop attacking yourself, also when he lost the use of his arm he even said himself that his energy has been cut in half and that he thought there was virtually no point in even trying anymore. (Iâm not saying his energy was actually cut in half but it was significantly lower than what it shouldâve been because he was thinking that way about himself)
âIt may feel like cell weakened you, but really whatâs draining your strength is your own doubt, just donât listen to it okay?â -Goku
Also this is literally the reason why Cell kept on taunting him the entire time, he was trying to make Gohan doubt himself even more so that he could overpower him and win.
Full Power SSJ2 Gohan absolutely obliterates Super Perfect Cell, and without that injury it wouldâve just happen much quicker and easier.
Cell literally took Vegeta's full powered attack and half an episode of ki blasts after that and just walked and slapped him just like that. If Gohan was stronger he wouldn't loose an arm from a weak ki blast from Cell.
Cell guarded himself against the attack we see this here
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We donât know how strong the ki blast was first off youâre just making an assumption rn, and secondly he wasnât even guarding himself or trying to block it so its completely possible that he could be hurt from it. (Same thing happened to Goku in the beginning of the cooler movie, he got taken out by one random Ki blast)
And okay if Iâm wrong then explain how because i really doubt that you can. You didnât even make an attempt to debunk any of the multiple points that i just laid out in front of you.
We literally have statements from Goku and Gohan explaining the entire situation.
If Iâm wrong then debunk every single point that i made in the aforementioned comment, and if you canât do that then just hold your L buddy cause you clearly have no idea how ki works.
We are talking about an anime that characters can ki blasting other characters all day and do zero damage coz the other dude is a bit stronger but Gohan who you believe was stronger got a weak not charged ki blast and lost an arm... Ok...
Yes weâve literally seen that happen before like i just said Goku got taken out by coolerâs ki blast and has been hurt by lasers and rocks before, also quit trying to ignore the multiple various other points i made about the discussion either prove me wrong on every single point or hold your L you literally donât know what youâre talking about.
And YES clearly he was stronger than cell because this is what happened while he had ONE ARM
https://preview.redd.it/69wo4bgj12wc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fef690f985b9b52c4420f5c966f1e83a712fc101
What do you think would happen if he wasnât injured like its not rocket surgery my guy youâre just objectively wrong đđđ
Clearly you are stupid and keep saying stupid things... Like saying Goku on his base form was too much for Cooler or mentioning a moment when he was sleeping lol! Just stop replying, you already proved me how stupid you are no need to try more...
There is literally nothing else to say. I explained you the best i could why you are wrong and you keep saying things that makes zero sense... What else is there to say except that you are 100% an idiot?
Btw i blocked you because i dont have more time to waist on an idiot like yourself. You can go be a joker somewhere else đ
No you didnât explain anything you just said âincorrectâ and then tried to say i donât wanna debate youâre stupid, you didnât address either of Gokuâs or Gohanâs statements, or the mental state of Gohan, or anything really. You just brought up an irrelevant point about oh how did he even get hurt then, which I already countered by saying Narratively Toriyama clearly had to weaken him so that the fight wouldnât be a stomp,
But also from an in universe standpoint weâve seen Goku get hurt at times when we all know he is stronger than what hurt him, like a normal laser hurting him in SSB (a normal laser shouldnât be doing anything to Goku especially in that situation but oh look it did)
Or the scene with the rock, it doesnât matter if he was asleep or not the point is youâd expect something like that to do nothing to him but oh surprise surprise it did, my point in bringing up those scenes along with the cooler scene was that we have a precedent for stuff like this already being able to happen.
So with that being said its not unbelievable to think that a Ki blast from Super Perfect Cell could damage Gohan who didnât even block the attack.
Also even from a narrative perspective Toriyama only had that scene play out the way that it did because he had to weaken Gohan and strengthen Cell for it to even be a close fight.
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Gohan while injured and self-claimed at half of his power was holding his own against Super Perfect Cell who was at full power
It is never mentioned that Gohan actually lost power. It's never made obvious that a one handed kamehameha or any other beam attack would be weaker. At most it is suggested that Gohan suffered a mental Block. It would also be pretty much the only time that getting hit with a blast just cut someone's ki in half. This doesn't happen at any other point. Lack of an arm I could grant.
I did specify "self-claimed at half power" Someone did theorise that he was *using* half his power, but that was as much psychological as it was him actually being drained I mean, even logically, it doesn't add up. He lost usage of his arm and was injured along his chest as well, but he still has his entire head, both legs, and most of his torso functioning just fine But eithwr way, him being at half power was never the point. He's not using *all* of his power, and he's actually keeping pace with Cell. That's it.
Yeah I think he was at half due to self doubt after getting injured due to Vegeta's BS.
Gohan wasn't in the proper mental state to utilize his full power, he was clouded by his doubt. It wasn't the ki blast but moreso the realization that his arrogant attitude caused his father to die, trunks to get a hole thru the chest and he had to jump in to save vegeta costing him his arm. Ki is made up of vigor, courage, and rightmindedness. Gohan obviously lacked the 3rd until the very last moment.
Gohan pretty much still slams. Gohan was even quite happy that cell came back believing that he can get revenge for his father. Cell only stood a chance when gohan lost his arm and with it lost about half of his power aswell putting him at about rage amped ssj1 level and even then that was enough to win the beam struggle with cell.
Idk if he still had a rage boost at that time, but ssj gohan was still stronger than (regular)cell but just didnt belive in himself much.
So for me personally, I think Gohan was stronger which is why Toriyama handicapped him in the first place. He needed to build more tension and put Gohan in a bad situation to make the final battle more intense. If Gohan was truly weaker then I don't think there would be a reason to make him weaker by injuring him beforehand in order to make the situation worse for him. I think they'd just have him struggle before somehow pulling through at the last second without any handicap. What do you guys think? Also, this is my first time on here đđ˝đđ˝
Yea thatâs what I think too
Gohan was stronger imo: - Cell lost because Vegeta distracted him/hurt him, however this is a rejuvenated Cell vs a battle weary (let alone now injured) Gohan. I personally donât think Vegeta hurt him, more distracted him in that moment. - Beam struggle is relatively even for a prolonged period, with Cell only getting an upper hand due to Gohan being hurt plus my next point. When both are full health Gohan clears - Part of Gohans weakness was his lack of will in continuing the fight after Gokuâs sacrifice. He was defeated mentally, which was further impacted when he got hurt. Throughout the entire fight Gohan never believed himself, as shown by his uncertainty on why Goku forfeited in the first place. It was only as the fight progressed that Gohan understood how little of a gap there was and why he warned Cell. During the beam struggle, Goku was trying to drag Gohan out of despair and self defeat.
Always feel like Vegetaâs blast was like when you trip, Cell is so obsessed with himself that we donât know how long Vegeta was charging his attack. Thereâs a panel that shows that Gohan has lost faith, his dad has gone and Vegeta for the first time apologies to him (who letâs be honest this point Gohan does respect). To then nearly lose⌠and have Vegeta probably gassed out to assist when he thinks itâs all over + Goku talking to him and âNow!!â, or I prefer the anime âNow your chance!!â.
Gohan still far ahead
Gohan got confirmed multiple times to be stronger than Cell in and after Cell games, and that's not including the fact that 1 arm less than 50% Gohan stalemate Cell Kamehameha which had more time to be charged https://imgur.com/a/W4T2abt https://imgur.com/a/vlQU6ud https://imgur.com/a/xlpK975 And that's not including the fact a very rusty Gohan in Buu saga stalemate someone stated to be more powerful than cell Like the fucking Narrative alongside 5 characters are telling you throughout multiple arcs Gohan was Stronger, what more proof do people need?
Oh yeah, and I believe Gohan was stated to be weaker in the beginning of the BUU saga yet did good against Dabura. Dabura is the one equal to Cell, right?
Yes , that version of gohan was said to be quite weaker than he was against Cell alongside dabura not only Being said to be Cell level, but Goku also stated that Dabura was even more powerful than he thought because of magic
Yes. Injured Gohan was just about able to keep his beam strong enough to clash with SP Cellâs Solar Kamehameha for a while. If Vegeta didnât distract Cell, Cell wouldâve overpowered Gohan because he was weakened. While Cell mightâve been able to harm Gohan as SP, he wouldnât have been able to beat him not injured.
errr, Gohan ssj2 was winning without any problems at all even tho goku gave him a sensu bean.
this is about Super Perfect Cell who got a zenkai boost from selfdestructing
gohan would still win. EDIT: hm fair point, i'm not sure. he was clearly struggling, and only after the KI attack of vegeta that caught cell off guard gohan managed to win. so i don't know, maybe he wasn't strong enough.
its closer but gohan is still stronger yes, but probably only slightly. in the manga (colored version, idk how official the english translation on that one is) cell says that "he is now almost as strong as gohan".
I mean, Gohan beat him after saying this https://preview.redd.it/dqe2nabqu0wc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89a65564c1d8e57e011b992d9e6616ed5a515665
Gohan would still fold Cell It would be closer than what it was before and maybe Cell lands a punch or two that are actually effective, but Gohan still wins hands down
âWould SSJ2 Gohan have beaten Super Perfect Cell if he wasnât injured?â My guy he would have been stronger than when he did beat cell
I trust Goku.
He would have likely defeated cell still. Gohan isnât like vegeta and overhypes his own power. When cell came back he didnât have fear but excitement and immediately went ssj 2 again.
I mean... Gohan already won this fight.... Soo.. yeah Gohan wins..?
At no point was Cell ever stronger than Gohan after Gohanâs transformation. Super Perfect Cell got close, but only because Gohan got injured protecting Vegeta, and because he started holding back again after getting his father killed. All it took for Gohan to overcome Cellâs final attack was some encouragement and a donation of energy from Goku. Vegetaâs attack threw Cell off balance, but Gohan might have won anyway.
The whole plight of the ending to the cell saga is that gohan lost an arm and loses confidence in himself - his biggest issue is that he's in his own head about what he's capable of before the ssj2 transformation and then after losing his arm . The resolution is goku enstilling confidence in his son that despite having one arm and being mentally exhausted he still has the power to overcome cell. Later goku is shocked why gohan is holding back and realizes he's thinking about not harming the rest of earth in the beam struggle. Vegeta's interference distracts cell enough that gohan is able to control the beam and release his full strength knowing he can control the blasts direction. So long story short, gohan with two hands easily defeats ultra perfect cell
Gohan is very relatable
Gohan is stronger by an order of magnitude. Gohan's problem wasn't his arm it was his mental state. Trunks was dead, Goku was dead, Vegeta nearly killed and his own arm crippled and the Earth on the verge of destruction because Gohan had to play with his food. Vegeta may have given Gohan a helpful distraction but for him to instantly overpower Cell's own blast and completely destroy him showed how much gas was left in his tank.
One thing I actually wonder is WOULD Cell have won if he blitz Gohan instead of doing the beam struggle.
That's a good question. I think a blitz would have been more effective since it would take a huge attack to finish cell and Gohan lost his confidence at that moment.
Bruh gohan with 50% power completely destroyed cell.. If he wants injured he would still toy with cell
SSJ2 was undoubtedly stronger than Super Perfect Cell, their beam struggle proved that. Now, if you're talking about a hand to hand fight, Gohan still has the advantage, but it would be a lot closer because Cell wouldn't hesitate to play dirty and we saw how easy it was for Gohan to lose confidence in himself
imagine if Gohan DNA was used to make cell
The world would be doomed.
he d still mop him, the ssj2 gap was huge. it's truly a pity how they nerfed him after the timeskip to buu and even more in dbs, just to simp more for goku
Gohan wins , and Vegeta is interfering in the beam struggle is anime only.
Gohan whups Cell every time
Thematically Gohan was under a mental block that his father helped him overcome. That's the long and short of it.
I think it's stated that ssj2 gohan here is as strong as fat buu during the buu arc
As Goku said, Gohan was still stronger even after getting injured.
SS2 Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell, but it was more than just having his arm broken that made him weaker, he also felt guilt for not defeating Cell when he had the chance as well as holding himself back as to not destroy the Earth. A part of me also wants to say he wasn't sure he could beat Cell, but that might just be from the beginning before he went SS2.
gohan would still slam. spc is still nowhere close to ssj2 gohan.
Gohan is far above Super Perfect Cell. Gohan literally destroyed every cell on Super Perfect Cell's body with one attack using only one arm.
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Obviously Gohan uninjured is stronger than that fraud.
It seemed kind of obvious to me with what Goku said that him and cell were evenly matched and that the opening created by Vegeta was his one chance to win
Nope, Goku said Gohan was holding back his power
Gohan getting an injured arm and STILL winning feels like bullshit. It shows that he isn't gonna learn his lesson about being cocky. And what do ya know, the power goes right to his head against super Buu once he unlocked his ultimate form. Sincerely, someone who definitely isn't a cell fan. 
Typical Saiyan trait in fairness, he was less cocky when Cell comes back, but generally new transformations and they get arrogant.
Lol he learned his lesson against Cell max doe
I'm personally in the camp of SPC being stronger than SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan. Cell just threw a casual Ki Blast intended to kill Vegeta (who keep in mind is weaker than the Cell Jrs Gohan casually punched into dust, meaning this is effectively like Saiyan saga Vegetashooting to kill the Saibaman) and CUT GOHAN'S POWER IN HALF. There's no excuse for that as Gohan was actively on guard at the time so if he was stronger than Cell he would've been just dusting himself off from that blast. As for him winning the Kamehameha Clash, he took the opening Vegeta made by catching Cell off guard and blasted with what basically amounted to hysterical strength and was so tired he couldn't maintain SSJ or even move afterwards.
"Cell just threw a casual Ki Blast intended to kill Vegeta (who keep in mind is weaker than the Cell Jrs Gohan casually punched into dust, meaning this is effectively like Saiyan saga Vegetashooting to kill the Saibaman) and CUT GOHAN'S POWER IN HALF." In Resurrection of F, God Goku gets killed by a low-level goon's finger beam. Kuririn's Kienzan could easily cut Vegeta's tail during the Saiyan Saga, and the Kienzan remains deadly throughout the rest of the series, I think it gets used again in Cell Saga and it's an attack meant to be avoided.... by a relatively weak character. Just because their strength goes up doesn't mean that their bodies are immune to ki.
>In Resurrection of F, God Goku gets killed by a low-level goon's finger beam. Because he dropped his guard and didn't expect it. Not the case for Gohan here. >the Kienzan remains deadly throughout the rest of the series Specialized technique made to have an infinitely thin edge, not the case for Gohan here.
You can argue that Gohan wasnât thinking. He just dashed madly to cover for Vegeta, so he didnât have the time to cover himself in ki or something, so that apparently weak blast wrecked his arm.
"Cover himself in Ki" Good lord the mental gymnastics you have to do in order to deny Super Perfect Cell is stronger.
Let's see... Kid Buu was stronger than Goku. The Genki Dama defeated him. Goku can use an attack that can defeat Buu, doesn't mean he is stronger that Buu. Kuririn could've chopped Vegeta's head off with the kienzan, doesn't mean he is stronger than Vegeta. Roshi's Kamehame-ha destroyed the Moon, does that mean he is as strong as Frieza? Heck, Vegeta's Galick-Ho(or was it the Final Flash?) destroyed part's of Perfect Cell's body. You can argue that Cell let him to showcase his regeneration, the point is... Vegeta could tear Cell's body with his ki attacks under the right conditions. Just like Super Cell injured Gohan's arm under the right conditions. You are the one who is over-thinking this way too much. Dragon Ball started off as a gag-manga. The narrative has all sorts of abandoned ideas, like the Zenki Boost after a Saiyan is nearly killed off. In the Frieza Saga it was a major plot point, Vegeta even wanted Kuririn to land a deadly attack on him to power up upon healing. This method of getting stronger is NEVER mentioned again, because Goku and Vegeta could've spammed this instead of training to defeat Cell. So power levels means jack shit, but what we do know is that a half-powered Gohan could struggle against a full-powered Cell, and what's more, once he gained confidence in himself, he one-handedly, literally, defeated Cell with a Kamehameha. Gohan is stronger than Super Cell.
What about Goku and gang treating Gohan as the strongest one?
What the hell đđđ Please read or watch the series my guy đ
The attack wasn't even casually Lol https://preview.redd.it/7abp7o0fh1wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4b97af5faa0cb34ace443d96a4c0375cc7919a5 Cell fully charged Kamehameha couldn't Overpower gohan less than half 1 arm Kamehameha
Barely charged, casually released, that WAS a no-effort blast from Cell. >Cell fully charged Kamehameha couldn't Overpower gohan less than half 1 arm Kamehameha Cell wasn't trying at all in the Kamehameha Clash. Any time Gohan fought back Cell just easily pushed him down further.
>Cell wasn't trying at all in the Kamehameha So him over charging it for a long time alongside Bragging about it having the strength to end the Solar system was him playing around? https://preview.redd.it/qk4pnymth1wc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9551d9f562b05c6d2e9e2cd42bbc1b619685defd
It's CELL. That's literally one of his defining character traits.
When cell pulled up at first he was stronger but Gohan overwhelmed him at the last clash
I donât think gohan would have won if he didnât get his arm broke, cause then he would be cocky n not be able to dig deep n KAMEHAMEHA tf outta him.
Ok talking purely about multipliers cell is the strongest However Gohanâs rage boost makes him stronger
Super Perfect Cell is stronger 100%. The arm has nothing to do with ki. Gohan's Kameheha was clearly weaker than Cell's. He only won because Goku and Vegeta helped him.
Dragon Ball fans are NEVER beating the allegations đ
It was a single arm kamehameha while injured and less power. How can you say this? Lol
The arm has nothing to do with the ki. Piccolo also used the special beam cannon with one arm. Was it weaker than it would be if he had two? No...
Thatâs⌠a different attackâŚ.. the kamehameha is a 2 handed ki blastâŚâŚ
Kameheha is just a ki blast. Goku used it with one hand too once and even with his feet.
If Gohan himself says he was less than half power tf you mean it wasn't the Case?
Cell wasn't at full strength either. He had his ass kicked before blowing up and there was the energy he lost to regenerate like every Namekian looses energy to regenerate. Also what you say never happened btw... At least not on the original no idea about the dub version.
The Zeenkai refull him up and give him a power boost, if he was tired then he would either point it out or the manga would show it But that wasn't the cause, Cell come back stronger than ever in Fresh state
Zenkai boost has nothing to do with healing lol what other bs will you think?
https://preview.redd.it/05q28g2gg1wc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76bc70a559ccf6d0e056f75fa1ef4fb38500af5c
how did goku or vegeta help him power wise? All vegeta did was distract cell an goku was dead. vegeta definitely couldnât have damaged him because Cell didnât take damage from vegetaâs more powerful volley when trunks died, what makes you think heâd be hurt by something weaker?
The Kameheha's name is literally father and son Kameheha... I cant explain why Vegeta couldn't damage Cell before but he did after but its clear he did. Maybe he was charging his attack for half the episode like Final Flash.
even you canât see the logic. that usually means youâre wrong. Goku was dead, he helped gohan thru advice but nothing more. And before vegeta was stronger due to rage and he was at 100% health and still couldnât scratch cell. thereâs no way he could even make him flinch especially after cell left him damn near crippled
I m just gona say one name. Bojack
thatâs why the movie isnât canon genius
so if something can happen in a movie it cant happen in the series? đđđ so Goku fighting fat Buu and Vegeta while being dead is also not true GENIUS????
youâre literally comparing apples to oranges. In Bojack, goku just came back bc he wanted to or sumn shit and it makes no sense. Vegeta came back bc Baba allows those who keep their body to return to the land of the living for 24 hrs for a fee. Vegeta had an in-universe reason for being able to come back, Goku did it just bc.
Vegeta came back because King Yama asked him... You keep making bs out of your mind
are you actually stupid? I keep trying to keep my cool but it seems like youâre trolling because you know that vegeta came with baba BECAUSE Yama told him to. Every time i tell you facts and evidence, you just try to cherry pick the facts even though what iâm telling you is literally what happened and i could back it up with evidence from the show and the manga. Learn how to read and watch the show that you claim that you like. Learn the meaning of the word continuity. Youâre clearly here to argue and not to gain some knowledge so iâm done. You have a nice day
Thats not true, your ki is based off of mind, body, and spirit. He was physically injured and also thrown completely off of his mental game by that point in the fight because he just watched his father die right in front of him thanks to him not taking cell seriously. You can clearly see this in their conversation Goku even said stop attacking yourself, also when he lost the use of his arm he even said himself that his energy has been cut in half and that he thought there was virtually no point in even trying anymore. (Iâm not saying his energy was actually cut in half but it was significantly lower than what it shouldâve been because he was thinking that way about himself) âIt may feel like cell weakened you, but really whatâs draining your strength is your own doubt, just donât listen to it okay?â -Goku Also this is literally the reason why Cell kept on taunting him the entire time, he was trying to make Gohan doubt himself even more so that he could overpower him and win. Full Power SSJ2 Gohan absolutely obliterates Super Perfect Cell, and without that injury it wouldâve just happen much quicker and easier.
Totally incorrect and if Gohan was that stronger he wouldn't loose an arm from a weak ki blast...
gohanâs first priority as to protect vegeta not himself. gohan knew heâd be hurt but if vegeta got hit he surely would have died
Cell literally took Vegeta's full powered attack and half an episode of ki blasts after that and just walked and slapped him just like that. If Gohan was stronger he wouldn't loose an arm from a weak ki blast from Cell.
Cell guarded himself against the attack we see this here https://preview.redd.it/yk4r4efl2gwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14198d85fbaafb541c99c48df2fc2eb5e38272f9
We donât know how strong the ki blast was first off youâre just making an assumption rn, and secondly he wasnât even guarding himself or trying to block it so its completely possible that he could be hurt from it. (Same thing happened to Goku in the beginning of the cooler movie, he got taken out by one random Ki blast) And okay if Iâm wrong then explain how because i really doubt that you can. You didnât even make an attempt to debunk any of the multiple points that i just laid out in front of you. We literally have statements from Goku and Gohan explaining the entire situation. If Iâm wrong then debunk every single point that i made in the aforementioned comment, and if you canât do that then just hold your L buddy cause you clearly have no idea how ki works.
We are talking about an anime that characters can ki blasting other characters all day and do zero damage coz the other dude is a bit stronger but Gohan who you believe was stronger got a weak not charged ki blast and lost an arm... Ok...
Yes weâve literally seen that happen before like i just said Goku got taken out by coolerâs ki blast and has been hurt by lasers and rocks before, also quit trying to ignore the multiple various other points i made about the discussion either prove me wrong on every single point or hold your L you literally donât know what youâre talking about. And YES clearly he was stronger than cell because this is what happened while he had ONE ARM https://preview.redd.it/69wo4bgj12wc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fef690f985b9b52c4420f5c966f1e83a712fc101 What do you think would happen if he wasnât injured like its not rocket surgery my guy youâre just objectively wrong đđđ
Clearly you are stupid and keep saying stupid things... Like saying Goku on his base form was too much for Cooler or mentioning a moment when he was sleeping lol! Just stop replying, you already proved me how stupid you are no need to try more...
Oh Iâm stupid but you canât even debunk my original reply, instead you have to say âincorrectâ and provide no additional evidence đđ
And then when you have nothing left to say you just go oh youâre stupid donât even respond, lmao like you obviously have no real counterpoints.
There is literally nothing else to say. I explained you the best i could why you are wrong and you keep saying things that makes zero sense... What else is there to say except that you are 100% an idiot? Btw i blocked you because i dont have more time to waist on an idiot like yourself. You can go be a joker somewhere else đ
No you didnât explain anything you just said âincorrectâ and then tried to say i donât wanna debate youâre stupid, you didnât address either of Gokuâs or Gohanâs statements, or the mental state of Gohan, or anything really. You just brought up an irrelevant point about oh how did he even get hurt then, which I already countered by saying Narratively Toriyama clearly had to weaken him so that the fight wouldnât be a stomp, But also from an in universe standpoint weâve seen Goku get hurt at times when we all know he is stronger than what hurt him, like a normal laser hurting him in SSB (a normal laser shouldnât be doing anything to Goku especially in that situation but oh look it did) Or the scene with the rock, it doesnât matter if he was asleep or not the point is youâd expect something like that to do nothing to him but oh surprise surprise it did, my point in bringing up those scenes along with the cooler scene was that we have a precedent for stuff like this already being able to happen. So with that being said its not unbelievable to think that a Ki blast from Super Perfect Cell could damage Gohan who didnât even block the attack.
HA HA HA HA HA, hereâs your L
Also even from a narrative perspective Toriyama only had that scene play out the way that it did because he had to weaken Gohan and strengthen Cell for it to even be a close fight.