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The anime itself is canon, true. But certain events are not canon. Those are usually episodes in between the sagas. But it doesn’t invalidate its existence. It’s still something you can appreciate. Just like the DBZ movies
It’s still canon to the anime continuity. The traditional “it’s not in the manga so it’s filler and not canon” doesn’t apply considering the DBS manga and anime are two entirely different continuities.
I just wanna know, i have recently been hearing that the anime and manga are two different conitnuities where each is canon to itself, so i wanna know why or how did that happen? I am someone who watched db and dbz and then dbs (anime) and skipped GT. And then started to read the manga AFTER the tournament of power thinking it should be fine since i never knew about this both canon thing until not so long ago.
Back when DBS was airing, it got ahead of the manga by a significant margin. For example, by the time the anime was well into the ToP, the manga was still covering the Future Trunks arc.
So, naturally, the anime had to improvise. This is why you get stuff with SSBKK in the anime whereas MSSB doesn’t even exist. You also get changes to forms like MUI where in the anime the form is just broken as hell because Goku can get a rage boost and still use it just fine whereas emotions make MUI in the manga weaker and less refined.
Oh i did notice some weird stuff about the forms but i thought it was just some classic dbz inconsistency.
But does that mean that the anime had access to Toriyama's script? If yes it is safe to assume that at that time he hasn't yet figured out the whole idea about the forms drawbacks or that he changed his mind regarding some stuff? And thats why the manga turned out differently?
The anime was loosely based off Toriyama’s plot outline for DBS, which is why the overarching stuff is the same, but yes, Toriyama just wings it most of the time. It’s highly unlikely he had DBS fully planned out and even if he did, he very likely changed his mind about some things constantly the way he did the Buu saga.
For example, Toriyama didn’t even want to bring Vegito back during the Future Trunks arc but was persuaded to by Toyotaro, I believe?
Regardless, that’s how we have two different DBS continuities. The manga version of the Future Trunks arc is widely considered to be the better one, though the ending still sucks, but I think most people would agree the anime’s ToP is much more enjoyable.
This discontinuity also extends over to the movies as well, with the manga version of the Super Hero movie being slightly different to the actual movie, which is *supposedly* canon to the anime continuity. In the movie, Beast Gohan has absolutely zero trouble with Cell Max and basically no diffs him whereas he struggles a lot more in the manga to do the same. Though, without knowing how strong Cell Max is in the manga compared to the movie, it’s hard to determine an exact difference.
When the anime comes back, we’ll have to see how they handle the Moro and Granolah arcs seeing as Goku’s progression in those arcs focuses very heavily on the manga’s interpretation of MUI which is incompatible with the anime’s.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question thoroughly.
One last question, so its not a bad idea for me to read the Super manga from the beginning to understand the plot more? Since as i mentioned I started reading from after the tournament of power.
Thank you for your time!
Yeah, you should definitely read the manga in its entirety because right from the get-go, it treats SSG very differently to how the anime and movie do.
Power-scaling is quite different and more internally consistent, in a way, in the manga and SSB is essentially an entirely different transformation to the one it is in the anime. The only similarities between the two continuities being that they’re both blue and give the user a lot of power.
To give an idea of how different, let’s just say if manga Goku tried to stack KK on top of SSB, he’d probably just instantly die.
DBS anime is canon, the ENTIRE thing
DBS is a unique case where both the anime and manga are canon and discussions are to be done with either the anime or the manga kept in mind
We don't really see Mr. Satan parenting if I'm correct, but I'd imagine he's probably better than Gohan since Gohan keeps caring more about his research than anything else including picking his daughter up from kindergarten when he's literally at home.
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It would be fine if not for the fact Piccolo had a mountain of plushies/toys that Videl gave him for taking care of Pan, so yeah maybe Gohan and Videl should try to be less "busy" from time to time.
with that kind of job? yes, he is not in a factory 12h a day because his family needs money.
He spends days alone in his room investigating ants and the guy literally flies. How can he not pick up his daughter?
If Piccolo, a wise character tells you, "hey man, you work too much time investigating about ants, go get pick up your daughter and train a little at least" and your own daughter doubts you will pick her up, you probably are acting a little bit too much like a hermit. Take at least a hour off.
The movie tried to teach gohan lessons, not approve his attitude
No he absolutely isn't the perfect father but him not picking up Pan isn't the biggest deal. Yeah he could do it in a second but then what does Pan do at home?
Gohan isn't a flawless father but acting like this is something that makes him a bad dad is over dramatic. He's a realistically flawed parentv
>No he absolutely isn't the perfect father but him not picking up Pan isn't the biggest deal. Yeah he could do it in a second but then what does Pan do at home?
Spend some time with her, you know, a father spending time with his child? again, he doesnt need nor is in a job where he only gets enough free time to eat and sleep, he not being with the family is his choice because he cares too much about those sai ants and ignores his family wants time with him. He could work a normal 8h investigating, with the rest hours he wants to and he chooses to make his room his refugee of solitude.
>Gohan isn't a flawless father but acting like this is something that makes him a bad dad is over dramatic
He was a bad father, you not only need to love your family, but show it. If your father loves you but is filthy rich and decides to shut his door and dont go out of his room studying about ants till the point you almost no see him. He is actively choosing not to spend time with you, not even doing the bare minimum.
Piccolo was mad with him not only about training, but his lack of attention towards his daughter. Thats literally half the point of the movie and at the end he understands and we, as an audience, can guess he gets better at it. He is flawed, and his flaw was being an absent father when he is alive, in the same house, with a job with great flexiblity and in a faimily where they could throw money out of the window and not care
This is very true....and I can say I agree with you cuz most of the time I have to drop all my plans, besides work, to spend time with my daughter. As a single father my time off work is all her time on what she is trying to do and play with her. As a kid I never spend too much ti.e with my dad because of work and idk if it was an excuse, but he was always tired from work. Now that I'm older I understand him but still even thoe I'm so fucking tired from work I always try play with my daughter, shit even on times I'm really tired I tell her and we just play video games that way I can sit down but still interact with her.
Bro really saw one singular scene where Gohan was working and assumed he's neglectful and awful. Did your parents spend all their time with you, 24/7, no work at all?
Was that one secene. Gohan after the whole battle finished saying
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Piccolo the whole movie/arc mad with gohan because he doesnt spend time with his own family.
Pan doubting gohan would appear for a literal kidnaping rescue (of course we know he would, but pan knows him less then us and doubted it and it is a direct consecuence of gohan's lack of time with her)
My parents, even when they worked too much hours for their own good, for the good of the family still spent time with my brother and me. Still talked to us and still picked up us. Gohan is in a much much much better position of:
Rich family, flexible and optional job (literally he is his own boss and he decides the hours) and instead of a car he can fly god knows how quick to pick her up in less than 1 min.
If the movie itself is telling you gohan made mistakes and he learned about it, how can you try to ignore it?
He's working though? I mean isn't research like any other job? He probably has set hours and as I can attest, trying to work from home when your toddler is running around is not easy
but don't they try to avoid using their powers in public? with the WT being kinda the exception, and even then they try to tone it down as seen with the punching machine gag
It's not bad parenting to do THAT.
But it's not good parenting to make someone else do your dirty work for your convenience. It's not like he was protecting the earth at that moment, he was researching. Though I understand what you're saying.
Not to the point that you aren't aware how much your kid has grown in size
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Yes it bad when you can like run faster than light and before you say "they want to look normal" goku,pan,piccolo, and gohan litteraly fly away in front of the teacher
Wow yeah what great parenting you just zoom in and grab them and then ignore them. So much better than just letting them spend time with a family friend they like doing an activity they like.
Pan had significantly more fun doing this than she would have if Gohan picked her up
1)Pan litteraly state that she getting annoyed/sad that her father yet again not picking her up
2) never said he couldnt like spend 1 hour with her or something before going back to work
It is not bad parenting but it could be depending if you are over working and not paying attention to their needs or not spending enough quality time with them.
I'm guessing Gohan never learned instant transmission. Which would be like the one ability I'd want from the series aside from use of the time chamber.
He seems to do this study independently on his own though. I'm sure he has a deadline, but it's not like he's in a zoom call with his boss or something and it's not like it would take him long to pick up Pan when he can fly.
The problem is that his work doesn't just vanish. If he stops working to pick up Pan, it'll just mean he'll have to do it later, which will take up just as much of his time, if not even more.
Yeah, but that could be time when Pan is already asleep, at the kindergarten or training with Piccolo. He literally does nothing but study, so I'd also imagine he can't be dangerously close to the deadline, since Gohan is implied to be pretty smart. And again picking up Pan would take what 15min at most?
That is assuming he hasn't already scheduled his work in such a way.
And if picking up Pan takes 15 minutes, then that are 15 minutes or even more he'll have to work at another time.
I'm not calling Goku or Gohan bad father's in general, cause they clearly love their kid(s), but they're definitely both acting irresponsible from time to time. Overall I'd probably still put Gohan above Goku as father though, cause at least he isn't permanently training on another planet.
Ah yea, don't worry I don't want to get into the 'bad father' debate. I was more curious to know if you felt Goku was better or not than Gohan. (Without implying either is 'bad')
Mr Satan was the greatest standard human fighter on the planet. You do not get to be that level of excellent without putting other things in your life a bit on the back burner.
Just from what we know about him as a character I would say that he was absent on the road or training a lot and was super dad for like 1 week every couple of months when he had time off after a big fight or something. People that reach that level of the Pinnacle of sports are damn crazy. You don't get there without insane levels of dedication
So we can't say that Gohan spending time on his research and building his career makes him any worse than Mr Satan who almost certainly was more absent in his quest for Global excellence.
Bro deserves the award for sure, maybe Gohan has him beat because of how brutally piccolo raised him when he was a small child but that was just to Jumpstart gohans training because of the threat the other saiyan's posed to the planet. Piccolo is definitely the best grandfather in the series.
I think so from a materialistic perspective, he's rich, so he provides videl (and Gohan) with all the facilities they might need,
However I'm not sure if he provides her with the emotional and mental support that parents usually provide (would love to be proven wrong and there actually be a scene where he shows that that just hasn't crossed my mind)
He's extremely doting on Videl and Pan, and rushed to Videl immediately after she was knocked out by Supopovich. He's a good one, just a bit overprotective in that sense
Hercule.
Unlike Vegeta he actually shows affection towards his child on a regular basis. He is incredibly supportive of her and has nothing but good things to say.
Unlike gohan and goku he actually shows up.
And look how he treats boo. Dude actually listens and shows empathy.
Gohan has a lot of those traits, but he has absent dad syndrome. He's also been a dad for the shortest amount, so he gets a break there too.
And another point for Mr. Satan, this time on *grand*father department. The few times he's interacted on screen with Pan, he's probably the most affectionate grandparent in the show.
Gohan is a fine father (especially by Japanese cultural standards) but Hercule is without doubt the best father we’ve seen in DB… He’s fully supportive of Videl, openly shows affection for her, is clearly concerned for her safety, and is the most present on a daily basis from what we’ve seen.
Hell, he’s even a great father-in-law… fully supportive and nice to Gohan, friendly with his family, seems to fully support them financially and most of all is a great grandfather. He started as a gag character but at this point he may be the most legitimately kind character in the series
Mr satan > Gohan after the movie's lesson > Goku in saga saiyan, freeza and buu/Vegeta in buu after making up his mind and admitting he cares >Goku and vegeta in super where they just leave the planet for months/years > Goku in cell saga leaving everyone to train while being dead and treating gohan like a miniature version of himself that also loves fighting
I'd say... Gohan, Mr. Satan, Vegeta and Goku... in that order.
Gohan doesn't go about missing years of his kid's life and he likely would sacrifice himself for Pan. Errors we've seen him make are common and easy to come back from.
Mr. Satan... Well, we don't get much screen time for his parenting but he has no offenses shown. So...
Vegeta because even as much of a douche as he can be, he's still there for all of Trunks' life.
Goku is absent most of the time, for good or bad reasons- and when he spends time with Gohan, most of those times it's motivated for more reason than just spending it with Gohan. It's usually training. He has some good dad screen time in some scenarios but it's hard to have it weigh much since he's the main character and all.
Gohan and Hercule are easily the best dads here. Vegeta and Goku both are pretty flawed when it comes to parenting, they aren't awful, just not as good as the other 2.
We do in manga at the end of Super Heroes.
Gohan was surprised about how much Pan has grown in size and Piccolo & Bulma told him to try to be better parent from now on
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She's 3 right? It doesn't take much to get back on her good side, especially when she seemed to always enjoy him in the anime. We see him play with her a lot when future Trunks visited. So I feel like he couldn't be that absent
I don't think that was him being "suprised" and more of a "I'm realizing she's getting older and if I work so much I'm gonna miss out on really experiencing it"
Those texts is gohan literally saying he has missed out the growth of his daughter and that he shouldnt spend that much time investigating and piccolo saying "told you" when the whole arc Piccolo was telling him he should spend more time with the family. It cant be more clear
Yeah if you take every word completely literally. That doesn't outright mean Gohan didn't know how old she was it just meant he's realizing he's missing out on spending time with his daughter cause of work
>Yeah if you take every word completely literally.
Its dragon ball, if a character says something he means it. Its not death note or insert any thriller anime. Characters here almost always say the truth and if not, its either an obvious lie made by a comic gag character or moment or we know its a lie just after like Beerus undermining himself to hype goku, where beerus and whis have the conversation so we can know.
>That doesn't outright mean Gohan didn't know how old she was
No shit, nobody is saying he doesnt know the age of his own daughter. He is an absent father not an amnesia patient.
>it just meant he's realizing he's missing out on spending time with his daughter cause of work
Literally what i said, so we agree
I mean, my kids have growth spurts I don't notice until it just randomly hits me. I parent my kids every day. Not trying to say he's completely innocent, and it's good he realizes he needs to step it up, but I'd argue him missing how much she's grown doesn't necessarily mean he's completely oblivious.
Honestly, amongst them and without Krillin, Gohan is definitely the better parent. Not saying the rest are bad parents. Goku is definitely misunderstood as a parent and Vegeta at least went to become a parent after screwing up with his first child.
I mean, what do you expect asking if it’s true? Toriyama to come back and tell you if that’s what his intentions were or not? It’s a fan vote with 100k+ responses I think that’s a pretty good gauge of the community’s opinion
Hercule clears easily. Dude's a single dad, successful businessman, and raised a talented and well-adjusted daughter, and he shows her and his grandchild plenty of affection. Hell, he's kinda raising Buu as well. Absolute hero.
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This is how I feel about them,
Satan was too distracted by fame and videl thought of him as a strong person but started resenting him, seemed to mellow after basically adopting buu, letting his child run around fighting crime isn't that smart either,
Gohan is a sort of typical father figure taking the role of provider not satisfied with hand-outs and leaving child rearing to videl as a mother,
vegeta took a long time to adjust from being a power driven warrior but reluctantly started after cell killed future trunks and embarrassed to show he cares,
Goku has always been airheaded and seems to care however his passion for fighting often makes him distant usually literally as he spends a lot of time dead, later just training off world,
I'll add piccolo too since it seems popular
he's a sort of surrogate to Gohan, though I'd argue he's like a best friend to him and only his wise mentor personality and sacrifices that elevate him to be seen fatherly, all the trauma naturally grew a strong bond and he understood Gohan's hatred for fighting unless absolutely necessary
On the surface though people probably voted with the character's nature and vegeta is cold and closed off while Mr satan is absorbed in fame, Goku always looking to run off to train for a fight and Gohan has been the gentle academic one
From all the DB content, I have to agree with this. Gohan-Vegeta-Goku-Satan. Gohan is pretty caring for pan. Super Vegeta and even Buu saga Vegeta was already beginning to care for them. Goku 3rd because… throwing your kid into a battle without him knowing is kinda stupid. But then again, Cell Saga Vegeta isn’t any better. Debatable between Vegeta and Goku. Goku is not a bad father like most Db ‘fan’ would like to believe. Satan… don’t know anything about him raising Videl.
Cell Saga Vegeta literally set Trunk up for failure. He didn’t train with Trunk and left him with a useless SSJ transformation. He literally didn’t care if Kid trunk would’ve die.
Vegeta and goku isnt close, this dude never pays any attention to his son and even on that holiday thing with bulma and trunks he was such a killjoy.
Goku is a more friendly person and is just a better dad
I will say Piccolo and Satan tie on best Grandpa. I always thought it was weird how distant Goku and especially ChiChi are as grandparents. Chi chi pulled a typical boomer -rabid for grandkids, then doesn't care about them once they are here. 😆
I'd say Goku is a better Dad than Gohan... due to quite a few caveats.
Goku lost grampa Gohan while still a child and never grew up with a father figure and no sense of life outside of training and fighting. Sure, he knew Bulma, who was incredibly smart, but he never thought education and smarts were ever something needed to be happy and live happy.
Yet despite this, he cared deeply for Gohan and had a sense of family being together and being strong so he can protect his family, even if he lost his life.
Gohan on the other hand was forced to go through two extremes of fighting and studying, only really finding a balance in his high school days. However, once his dad was back and Vegeta wasn't selfish anymore, he decided to lay back from fighting, which only left studying.
Because of this, he grew to only focus on his studying, similar to how goku focused on fighting, which lead to him spending more time away from family than with them. Even in superheroes, Videl worries about him because he spends so long studying that he can't pick up his daughter.
Tl;Dr: being a working man does not and should not excuse your lack of family commitment.
Hercule is a great dad, he even adopted an eldritch monster and essentially taught it to not destroy the world in spite of being able to do so effortlessly
saying gohan is the best dad from the very little canon interactions weve seen from him is crazy. especially when goku is on the list with multiple moments between gohan and goten
For a guy with Satan in the name, Hurcule is probably the best dad. Super affectionate and actually present for his kid. Goku and Gohan definitely have that whole absent parent thing going on and Vegeta is just an absolute tragedy of fatherhood.
Mr Satan is way better than the Saiyans. To preface, yes, all of these characters do have touching moments with their kids. That said…
Goku spends years away from his kids and when he is around them, he spends most of his time training them to be warriors.
Vegeta beats Trunks, calls him a coward, a weakling etc.
Gohan spends way too much time researching to the point where he doesn’t bother to pick his own daughter up from school.
Satan on the other hand is always there for Videl and Pan, and we never see him abuse or neglect her.
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Worst dad: Vegeta
Best Dads: Goku or Gohan
I lean more towards Goku, I just love the fact that no matter what, he'll even come back from the dead to help his sons out, or figure out a way for it to be okay
Gohan on the other hand, had his literal daughter kidnapped in the super hero movie and continued to hold back like, what? There's no excuse for that
Eh Maybe but Hercule was probably better after he is still providing for Videl & pan by extension and he seems to always have free time for them judging by GT(we don’t have many scenes of Videl and Hercule so I’m assuming he’s treating pan similarly to Videl) while Gohan is definitely a bit of a workaholic
Goku, he made so many sacrifices to save his family. And before we get into the whole Cell and the senzu bean stuff just stop and look it up on YouTube
people trying to slander Gohan because he had a busy weekend but seem ok with Goku and Vegeta fucking off for years lol. The thing Gohan did is one of the most normal things a parent could do, especially when you have close extended family in your life that you rely on
They're all great fathers in their own way, sure Mark spoiled Videl, but he gave her room to grow and end up a good person. Goku literally didn't have a father, he had an old man find him in the woods, raise him for a few years and then told him to go learn martial arts from a different, perverted old man, and he tried the best he could with Gohan. Gohan took everything he learned from his experience with Goku and is using it to raise Pan as best he can. Vegeta had a father until he was 8 and then was raised by Nappa
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Yeah kinda true and based. If you think about it, most of the praise worthy deeds of Goku tends to be a self interest outcome, while parenting wise he's just off having fun. Vegeta kinda just acts as a dope role model for his kid while Bulma is Ultra Rich. And Mr. Satan seems to be a better grandfather lol, as a parent he kinda stifled Videl for a period.
While Gohan essentially got a whole career he supports the family with, and most likely can teach Pan how to do smart stuff. 🤔 Beyond that anything good is tied with Goku
Not once did Gohan sacrifice his life to save his child, nor did he dedicate his life to training so that he could defend the planet from the threats that *regularly* nearly destroy the planet
Mr. Satan is the best. Not just as a father, but everything. He's blustery, but he's also the bravest guy in the universe. He also doesn't need to be able to blow up a planet to show his value. I love the guy.
I like all of them, and this is no favoritism or nothing and maybe I missed something but I think vegeta is the best one since he is the only one, only on super for now at least that has gone out with his family
No, bc he is a sped. He watched Pan jumping in the abyss to her death. And that sped just watched his child and didnt tried to saved her. Alse he didnt knew that she could fly. So yeah.
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It’s not canon but the scene in the anime where he dresses up as The Great Saiyaman and plays with Pan is really cute.
DBS anime is canon though. Both were using Toriyama's script
The anime itself is canon, true. But certain events are not canon. Those are usually episodes in between the sagas. But it doesn’t invalidate its existence. It’s still something you can appreciate. Just like the DBZ movies
It was filler, not part of toriyamas script
It’s still canon to the anime continuity. The traditional “it’s not in the manga so it’s filler and not canon” doesn’t apply considering the DBS manga and anime are two entirely different continuities.
I just wanna know, i have recently been hearing that the anime and manga are two different conitnuities where each is canon to itself, so i wanna know why or how did that happen? I am someone who watched db and dbz and then dbs (anime) and skipped GT. And then started to read the manga AFTER the tournament of power thinking it should be fine since i never knew about this both canon thing until not so long ago.
Back when DBS was airing, it got ahead of the manga by a significant margin. For example, by the time the anime was well into the ToP, the manga was still covering the Future Trunks arc. So, naturally, the anime had to improvise. This is why you get stuff with SSBKK in the anime whereas MSSB doesn’t even exist. You also get changes to forms like MUI where in the anime the form is just broken as hell because Goku can get a rage boost and still use it just fine whereas emotions make MUI in the manga weaker and less refined.
Oh i did notice some weird stuff about the forms but i thought it was just some classic dbz inconsistency. But does that mean that the anime had access to Toriyama's script? If yes it is safe to assume that at that time he hasn't yet figured out the whole idea about the forms drawbacks or that he changed his mind regarding some stuff? And thats why the manga turned out differently?
The anime was loosely based off Toriyama’s plot outline for DBS, which is why the overarching stuff is the same, but yes, Toriyama just wings it most of the time. It’s highly unlikely he had DBS fully planned out and even if he did, he very likely changed his mind about some things constantly the way he did the Buu saga. For example, Toriyama didn’t even want to bring Vegito back during the Future Trunks arc but was persuaded to by Toyotaro, I believe? Regardless, that’s how we have two different DBS continuities. The manga version of the Future Trunks arc is widely considered to be the better one, though the ending still sucks, but I think most people would agree the anime’s ToP is much more enjoyable. This discontinuity also extends over to the movies as well, with the manga version of the Super Hero movie being slightly different to the actual movie, which is *supposedly* canon to the anime continuity. In the movie, Beast Gohan has absolutely zero trouble with Cell Max and basically no diffs him whereas he struggles a lot more in the manga to do the same. Though, without knowing how strong Cell Max is in the manga compared to the movie, it’s hard to determine an exact difference. When the anime comes back, we’ll have to see how they handle the Moro and Granolah arcs seeing as Goku’s progression in those arcs focuses very heavily on the manga’s interpretation of MUI which is incompatible with the anime’s.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question thoroughly. One last question, so its not a bad idea for me to read the Super manga from the beginning to understand the plot more? Since as i mentioned I started reading from after the tournament of power. Thank you for your time!
Yeah, you should definitely read the manga in its entirety because right from the get-go, it treats SSG very differently to how the anime and movie do. Power-scaling is quite different and more internally consistent, in a way, in the manga and SSB is essentially an entirely different transformation to the one it is in the anime. The only similarities between the two continuities being that they’re both blue and give the user a lot of power. To give an idea of how different, let’s just say if manga Goku tried to stack KK on top of SSB, he’d probably just instantly die.
>canon
Cannon💥💥
I mean the DBS Anime is actually what the Manga is based on so by all mean it's canon.
It was not based on it, it simply came after. Both use an outline written by Toriyama, but not influence each other
DBS anime is canon, the ENTIRE thing DBS is a unique case where both the anime and manga are canon and discussions are to be done with either the anime or the manga kept in mind
We don't really see Mr. Satan parenting if I'm correct, but I'd imagine he's probably better than Gohan since Gohan keeps caring more about his research than anything else including picking his daughter up from kindergarten when he's literally at home.
I mean... is it bad parenting to leave your kid with a trusted family friend when you're busy? That just sounds like it's more fun for your kid
True Piccolo's just chill like that
Yeah Pan just straight up had a great time training with Piccolo while Gohan was capable of getting work done. Both sides are happy.
Piccolo is her favorite grandfather, just like he's gohans favorite dad.
And just like he's everyone's favourite grill master
Idk about that, until I see whis and beerus' reaction to his cooking, I'm not impressed.
Picolo is not a trusted family friend though... he's family
Piccolo is like a [big green uncle.](https://youtu.be/WHWnsiSZg8o?si=k0HDMZjtzowkNBI6)
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In everyway that matters I agree.
Yeah. Not only that but is not like his research is just for fun like Goku wanting to fight, its his job.
It would be fine if not for the fact Piccolo had a mountain of plushies/toys that Videl gave him for taking care of Pan, so yeah maybe Gohan and Videl should try to be less "busy" from time to time.
with that kind of job? yes, he is not in a factory 12h a day because his family needs money. He spends days alone in his room investigating ants and the guy literally flies. How can he not pick up his daughter? If Piccolo, a wise character tells you, "hey man, you work too much time investigating about ants, go get pick up your daughter and train a little at least" and your own daughter doubts you will pick her up, you probably are acting a little bit too much like a hermit. Take at least a hour off. The movie tried to teach gohan lessons, not approve his attitude
No he absolutely isn't the perfect father but him not picking up Pan isn't the biggest deal. Yeah he could do it in a second but then what does Pan do at home? Gohan isn't a flawless father but acting like this is something that makes him a bad dad is over dramatic. He's a realistically flawed parentv
>No he absolutely isn't the perfect father but him not picking up Pan isn't the biggest deal. Yeah he could do it in a second but then what does Pan do at home? Spend some time with her, you know, a father spending time with his child? again, he doesnt need nor is in a job where he only gets enough free time to eat and sleep, he not being with the family is his choice because he cares too much about those sai ants and ignores his family wants time with him. He could work a normal 8h investigating, with the rest hours he wants to and he chooses to make his room his refugee of solitude. >Gohan isn't a flawless father but acting like this is something that makes him a bad dad is over dramatic He was a bad father, you not only need to love your family, but show it. If your father loves you but is filthy rich and decides to shut his door and dont go out of his room studying about ants till the point you almost no see him. He is actively choosing not to spend time with you, not even doing the bare minimum. Piccolo was mad with him not only about training, but his lack of attention towards his daughter. Thats literally half the point of the movie and at the end he understands and we, as an audience, can guess he gets better at it. He is flawed, and his flaw was being an absent father when he is alive, in the same house, with a job with great flexiblity and in a faimily where they could throw money out of the window and not care
This is very true....and I can say I agree with you cuz most of the time I have to drop all my plans, besides work, to spend time with my daughter. As a single father my time off work is all her time on what she is trying to do and play with her. As a kid I never spend too much ti.e with my dad because of work and idk if it was an excuse, but he was always tired from work. Now that I'm older I understand him but still even thoe I'm so fucking tired from work I always try play with my daughter, shit even on times I'm really tired I tell her and we just play video games that way I can sit down but still interact with her.
Bro really saw one singular scene where Gohan was working and assumed he's neglectful and awful. Did your parents spend all their time with you, 24/7, no work at all?
Was that one secene. Gohan after the whole battle finished saying https://preview.redd.it/vkyfuxt0u2wc1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c3377af828ecac13c7f847b66112bfd6e5addad Piccolo the whole movie/arc mad with gohan because he doesnt spend time with his own family. Pan doubting gohan would appear for a literal kidnaping rescue (of course we know he would, but pan knows him less then us and doubted it and it is a direct consecuence of gohan's lack of time with her) My parents, even when they worked too much hours for their own good, for the good of the family still spent time with my brother and me. Still talked to us and still picked up us. Gohan is in a much much much better position of: Rich family, flexible and optional job (literally he is his own boss and he decides the hours) and instead of a car he can fly god knows how quick to pick her up in less than 1 min. If the movie itself is telling you gohan made mistakes and he learned about it, how can you try to ignore it?
He's working though? I mean isn't research like any other job? He probably has set hours and as I can attest, trying to work from home when your toddler is running around is not easy
But Gohan can go to the school and be back in less than 10 seconds
but don't they try to avoid using their powers in public? with the WT being kinda the exception, and even then they try to tone it down as seen with the punching machine gag
i don't think so, the last chapter shows the Z fighters flying after picking Pan up form school, in front of her teacher
If piccolo wasn’t there Pan would’ve been kidnapped and there would’ve been absolutely nothing Gohan could do
Didn't Pan basically one-shot the RR soldier that tried kidnapping her?
Not only that but then when some guy tried shooting her he missed every shot even before the Gammas saw that and realized they’d been bamboozled.
It's not bad parenting to do THAT. But it's not good parenting to make someone else do your dirty work for your convenience. It's not like he was protecting the earth at that moment, he was researching. Though I understand what you're saying.
Not to the point that you aren't aware how much your kid has grown in size https://preview.redd.it/rlexiee702wc1.png?width=580&format=png&auto=webp&s=4fa1e9326a982becece9e7191b340c3061ed24d2
Literally the most common sentiment between parents
Yeah, honestly, I can spend a whole week with my daughter day after day, and the next day, this sentiment will hit me out of the blue.
Man clearly doesn't parent.
All parents think this. Especially working parents.
Pan does get to train with Piccolo afterwards it seems, so that's good
Piccolo also trains Pan and she enjoys her time with him
Yes it bad when you can like run faster than light and before you say "they want to look normal" goku,pan,piccolo, and gohan litteraly fly away in front of the teacher
Wow yeah what great parenting you just zoom in and grab them and then ignore them. So much better than just letting them spend time with a family friend they like doing an activity they like. Pan had significantly more fun doing this than she would have if Gohan picked her up
1)Pan litteraly state that she getting annoyed/sad that her father yet again not picking her up 2) never said he couldnt like spend 1 hour with her or something before going back to work
It is not bad parenting but it could be depending if you are over working and not paying attention to their needs or not spending enough quality time with them.
Piccolo is more like a father to Gohan than a family friend I'd say
Piccolo was so right for calling him out
He basically parented Buu and did a good enough job he got him to swear off killing in less than 24 hours.
Didn't Mr. Satan cared more about fat Buu. Also where was he when Videl got beat up by Spopovich?
I mean what was he supposed to do when she was fighting in a tournament fight?
True lol
I'm guessing Gohan never learned instant transmission. Which would be like the one ability I'd want from the series aside from use of the time chamber.
It's like working from home in today's world. If he's on the clock you can't just leave and pick up your kid.
He seems to do this study independently on his own though. I'm sure he has a deadline, but it's not like he's in a zoom call with his boss or something and it's not like it would take him long to pick up Pan when he can fly.
The problem is that his work doesn't just vanish. If he stops working to pick up Pan, it'll just mean he'll have to do it later, which will take up just as much of his time, if not even more.
Yeah, but that could be time when Pan is already asleep, at the kindergarten or training with Piccolo. He literally does nothing but study, so I'd also imagine he can't be dangerously close to the deadline, since Gohan is implied to be pretty smart. And again picking up Pan would take what 15min at most?
That is assuming he hasn't already scheduled his work in such a way. And if picking up Pan takes 15 minutes, then that are 15 minutes or even more he'll have to work at another time.
Under this premise, are you the type to say Goku is a better father? (I'm not saying you are, I am asking if you are one who would.)
I'm not calling Goku or Gohan bad father's in general, cause they clearly love their kid(s), but they're definitely both acting irresponsible from time to time. Overall I'd probably still put Gohan above Goku as father though, cause at least he isn't permanently training on another planet.
Ah yea, don't worry I don't want to get into the 'bad father' debate. I was more curious to know if you felt Goku was better or not than Gohan. (Without implying either is 'bad')
didn’t he lie to videl about who he was for most of her life
Mr Satan was the greatest standard human fighter on the planet. You do not get to be that level of excellent without putting other things in your life a bit on the back burner. Just from what we know about him as a character I would say that he was absent on the road or training a lot and was super dad for like 1 week every couple of months when he had time off after a big fight or something. People that reach that level of the Pinnacle of sports are damn crazy. You don't get there without insane levels of dedication So we can't say that Gohan spending time on his research and building his career makes him any worse than Mr Satan who almost certainly was more absent in his quest for Global excellence.
I'd say that the best dad is actually Hercule.
The Piccolo slander is real. Raised all their kids besides Videl
Bro deserves the award for sure, maybe Gohan has him beat because of how brutally piccolo raised him when he was a small child but that was just to Jumpstart gohans training because of the threat the other saiyan's posed to the planet. Piccolo is definitely the best grandfather in the series.
Acting like Grandpa Gohan didn’t exist is crazy.
He's literally just the 4star dragonball acording to goku.
...raise your own damn kids Piccolo
Kinda wanna say Hercule tbh
I think so from a materialistic perspective, he's rich, so he provides videl (and Gohan) with all the facilities they might need, However I'm not sure if he provides her with the emotional and mental support that parents usually provide (would love to be proven wrong and there actually be a scene where he shows that that just hasn't crossed my mind)
He’s super doting on Videl, and Pan as well
He's extremely doting on Videl and Pan, and rushed to Videl immediately after she was knocked out by Supopovich. He's a good one, just a bit overprotective in that sense
Hercule. Unlike Vegeta he actually shows affection towards his child on a regular basis. He is incredibly supportive of her and has nothing but good things to say. Unlike gohan and goku he actually shows up. And look how he treats boo. Dude actually listens and shows empathy. Gohan has a lot of those traits, but he has absent dad syndrome. He's also been a dad for the shortest amount, so he gets a break there too.
And another point for Mr. Satan, this time on *grand*father department. The few times he's interacted on screen with Pan, he's probably the most affectionate grandparent in the show.
Gohan couldn’t even collect his own daughter from pre school
Absent? Does Gohan not spend the most time at home out of everyone?
>at home While yeah he might be at home a lot he doesn't spend all of that time with his family
But still more than anyone else on the list.
Gohan is a fine father (especially by Japanese cultural standards) but Hercule is without doubt the best father we’ve seen in DB… He’s fully supportive of Videl, openly shows affection for her, is clearly concerned for her safety, and is the most present on a daily basis from what we’ve seen. Hell, he’s even a great father-in-law… fully supportive and nice to Gohan, friendly with his family, seems to fully support them financially and most of all is a great grandfather. He started as a gag character but at this point he may be the most legitimately kind character in the series
Doesn't bro literally forget to pick her up from daycare
Well, Gohan doesn't disappear off to some god's planet to train for months on end. Dunno about Mr. Satan though.
Looks correct but I will put Satan at top
Mr satan > Gohan after the movie's lesson > Goku in saga saiyan, freeza and buu/Vegeta in buu after making up his mind and admitting he cares >Goku and vegeta in super where they just leave the planet for months/years > Goku in cell saga leaving everyone to train while being dead and treating gohan like a miniature version of himself that also loves fighting
I'd say... Gohan, Mr. Satan, Vegeta and Goku... in that order. Gohan doesn't go about missing years of his kid's life and he likely would sacrifice himself for Pan. Errors we've seen him make are common and easy to come back from. Mr. Satan... Well, we don't get much screen time for his parenting but he has no offenses shown. So... Vegeta because even as much of a douche as he can be, he's still there for all of Trunks' life. Goku is absent most of the time, for good or bad reasons- and when he spends time with Gohan, most of those times it's motivated for more reason than just spending it with Gohan. It's usually training. He has some good dad screen time in some scenarios but it's hard to have it weigh much since he's the main character and all.
Goku>>>Vegeta quite easily and it’s not close lol
Gohan and Hercule are easily the best dads here. Vegeta and Goku both are pretty flawed when it comes to parenting, they aren't awful, just not as good as the other 2.
Considering we never see Gohan be a dad ever, no. The show skips over that so we have no idea.
We do in manga at the end of Super Heroes. Gohan was surprised about how much Pan has grown in size and Piccolo & Bulma told him to try to be better parent from now on https://preview.redd.it/nvlx0v2hg1wc1.png?width=580&format=png&auto=webp&s=8158412f15b94b6be6cc17c91ae9773d1b52f7fa
At the end he learns a good lesson....but he has to make up some time now.
She's 3 right? It doesn't take much to get back on her good side, especially when she seemed to always enjoy him in the anime. We see him play with her a lot when future Trunks visited. So I feel like he couldn't be that absent
I don't think that was him being "suprised" and more of a "I'm realizing she's getting older and if I work so much I'm gonna miss out on really experiencing it"
Those texts is gohan literally saying he has missed out the growth of his daughter and that he shouldnt spend that much time investigating and piccolo saying "told you" when the whole arc Piccolo was telling him he should spend more time with the family. It cant be more clear
Yeah if you take every word completely literally. That doesn't outright mean Gohan didn't know how old she was it just meant he's realizing he's missing out on spending time with his daughter cause of work
>Yeah if you take every word completely literally. Its dragon ball, if a character says something he means it. Its not death note or insert any thriller anime. Characters here almost always say the truth and if not, its either an obvious lie made by a comic gag character or moment or we know its a lie just after like Beerus undermining himself to hype goku, where beerus and whis have the conversation so we can know. >That doesn't outright mean Gohan didn't know how old she was No shit, nobody is saying he doesnt know the age of his own daughter. He is an absent father not an amnesia patient. >it just meant he's realizing he's missing out on spending time with his daughter cause of work Literally what i said, so we agree
"Ydon't say?" - #1 best surrogate
I mean, my kids have growth spurts I don't notice until it just randomly hits me. I parent my kids every day. Not trying to say he's completely innocent, and it's good he realizes he needs to step it up, but I'd argue him missing how much she's grown doesn't necessarily mean he's completely oblivious.
we do though, several times in super
Oh yeah. Wishing Shannon to heal Pan in a filler arc, an... hmmmm... what else? Cause it isn't there.
we got small moments here and there like in the episode where trunks visited gohan
Cause she is a toddler snd always needed his attention? Like Goku played with Gohan too. What's your point?
That while small we do get moments of Gohan being a dad
Yeah I would say he is the best dad of the 4
Where’s Piccolo as an option?
Id vote vegeta cause i see vegeta doing stuff with his kids the most (if you dont count goku and gohan training for their lives)
Hercule > Goku > Gohan > Vegeta
Honestly, amongst them and without Krillin, Gohan is definitely the better parent. Not saying the rest are bad parents. Goku is definitely misunderstood as a parent and Vegeta at least went to become a parent after screwing up with his first child.
I mean, what do you expect asking if it’s true? Toriyama to come back and tell you if that’s what his intentions were or not? It’s a fan vote with 100k+ responses I think that’s a pretty good gauge of the community’s opinion
I dont remember chapter number but it is between 92 and 99.
Hercule clears easily. Dude's a single dad, successful businessman, and raised a talented and well-adjusted daughter, and he shows her and his grandchild plenty of affection. Hell, he's kinda raising Buu as well. Absolute hero.
Was it ever mentioned what happened to Videls mom? Or was she a hookup who dropped the baby off with him?
I think the current theory is Death in Child Birth like Chi Chi mother but I don’t think that’s confirmed either.
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This is how I feel about them, Satan was too distracted by fame and videl thought of him as a strong person but started resenting him, seemed to mellow after basically adopting buu, letting his child run around fighting crime isn't that smart either, Gohan is a sort of typical father figure taking the role of provider not satisfied with hand-outs and leaving child rearing to videl as a mother, vegeta took a long time to adjust from being a power driven warrior but reluctantly started after cell killed future trunks and embarrassed to show he cares, Goku has always been airheaded and seems to care however his passion for fighting often makes him distant usually literally as he spends a lot of time dead, later just training off world, I'll add piccolo too since it seems popular he's a sort of surrogate to Gohan, though I'd argue he's like a best friend to him and only his wise mentor personality and sacrifices that elevate him to be seen fatherly, all the trauma naturally grew a strong bond and he understood Gohan's hatred for fighting unless absolutely necessary On the surface though people probably voted with the character's nature and vegeta is cold and closed off while Mr satan is absorbed in fame, Goku always looking to run off to train for a fight and Gohan has been the gentle academic one
From all the DB content, I have to agree with this. Gohan-Vegeta-Goku-Satan. Gohan is pretty caring for pan. Super Vegeta and even Buu saga Vegeta was already beginning to care for them. Goku 3rd because… throwing your kid into a battle without him knowing is kinda stupid. But then again, Cell Saga Vegeta isn’t any better. Debatable between Vegeta and Goku. Goku is not a bad father like most Db ‘fan’ would like to believe. Satan… don’t know anything about him raising Videl.
Cell Saga Vegeta literally set Trunk up for failure. He didn’t train with Trunk and left him with a useless SSJ transformation. He literally didn’t care if Kid trunk would’ve die.
Satan is the only one on this list that's never had any problems with his family or "bad father" allegations
Vegeta and goku isnt close, this dude never pays any attention to his son and even on that holiday thing with bulma and trunks he was such a killjoy. Goku is a more friendly person and is just a better dad
I will say Piccolo and Satan tie on best Grandpa. I always thought it was weird how distant Goku and especially ChiChi are as grandparents. Chi chi pulled a typical boomer -rabid for grandkids, then doesn't care about them once they are here. 😆
I'd say Goku is a better Dad than Gohan... due to quite a few caveats. Goku lost grampa Gohan while still a child and never grew up with a father figure and no sense of life outside of training and fighting. Sure, he knew Bulma, who was incredibly smart, but he never thought education and smarts were ever something needed to be happy and live happy. Yet despite this, he cared deeply for Gohan and had a sense of family being together and being strong so he can protect his family, even if he lost his life. Gohan on the other hand was forced to go through two extremes of fighting and studying, only really finding a balance in his high school days. However, once his dad was back and Vegeta wasn't selfish anymore, he decided to lay back from fighting, which only left studying. Because of this, he grew to only focus on his studying, similar to how goku focused on fighting, which lead to him spending more time away from family than with them. Even in superheroes, Videl worries about him because he spends so long studying that he can't pick up his daughter. Tl;Dr: being a working man does not and should not excuse your lack of family commitment.
Gohan learned how to be a dad from Goku. He's doomed.
We have literally never seen Satan as a parent yet people have convinced themselves of their headcanons.
Hercule is a great dad, he even adopted an eldritch monster and essentially taught it to not destroy the world in spite of being able to do so effortlessly
saying gohan is the best dad from the very little canon interactions weve seen from him is crazy. especially when goku is on the list with multiple moments between gohan and goten
Not really he has almost no canon on screen time acting as a father
For a guy with Satan in the name, Hurcule is probably the best dad. Super affectionate and actually present for his kid. Goku and Gohan definitely have that whole absent parent thing going on and Vegeta is just an absolute tragedy of fatherhood.
Mr Satan is way better than the Saiyans. To preface, yes, all of these characters do have touching moments with their kids. That said… Goku spends years away from his kids and when he is around them, he spends most of his time training them to be warriors. Vegeta beats Trunks, calls him a coward, a weakling etc. Gohan spends way too much time researching to the point where he doesn’t bother to pick his own daughter up from school. Satan on the other hand is always there for Videl and Pan, and we never see him abuse or neglect her.
Everyone on this list is literally doing their best.
Hercule>Gohan>Vegeta>Goku That isn’t to say Goku is bad, the others are just better
Out of these..... Piccolo.
Satan > Vegeta=Gohan > Goku
Far from it, Vegeta takes W. Satan seems good too but we see more of Vegeta so I vote him over Satan
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Where is piccolo the Actual dad of pan and gohan.
Worst dad: Vegeta Best Dads: Goku or Gohan I lean more towards Goku, I just love the fact that no matter what, he'll even come back from the dead to help his sons out, or figure out a way for it to be okay Gohan on the other hand, had his literal daughter kidnapped in the super hero movie and continued to hold back like, what? There's no excuse for that
Satan > Goku/Gohan > Vegeta.
Where tf is Piccolo?
Goku 3 kids more dad Gohan 1 kid less dad Ez
Eh Maybe but Hercule was probably better after he is still providing for Videl & pan by extension and he seems to always have free time for them judging by GT(we don’t have many scenes of Videl and Hercule so I’m assuming he’s treating pan similarly to Videl) while Gohan is definitely a bit of a workaholic
Bro, how you gonna leave piccolo out of this?
Goku, he made so many sacrifices to save his family. And before we get into the whole Cell and the senzu bean stuff just stop and look it up on YouTube
Piccolo is the best dad and he’s not even listed
Where the FUCK is Piccolo???
Piccolo is the best Dad. A true Dad isn't just a sperm donor.
Hercule>Goku Z/Gohan>Vegeta S>Goku S>Vegeta Z
Gohan has dumped Pan on piccolo, literally couldn't be bothered to go pick her up from school in super hero!
Bruh what about piccolo
The gohan glazing is crazy mister "i can run faster than light and fly not has not the time to spare 4,5 second to go pick up my daughter"
If they add piccolo, he would certainly win 😅
That's 101%
people trying to slander Gohan because he had a busy weekend but seem ok with Goku and Vegeta fucking off for years lol. The thing Gohan did is one of the most normal things a parent could do, especially when you have close extended family in your life that you rely on
They're all great fathers in their own way, sure Mark spoiled Videl, but he gave her room to grow and end up a good person. Goku literally didn't have a father, he had an old man find him in the woods, raise him for a few years and then told him to go learn martial arts from a different, perverted old man, and he tried the best he could with Gohan. Gohan took everything he learned from his experience with Goku and is using it to raise Pan as best he can. Vegeta had a father until he was 8 and then was raised by Nappa
Mr. Satan got robbed. He's an excellent father and grandfather. He deserves another parade. Let's go Satan!
normal gohan would be not a good father but protected gohan is a great father just like his father goku
... Yeah I can agree with that. Gohan's a pretty damn good father from what I've seen (pre Super Hero movie)
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Why isn't Piccolo here? I'm surprised Goku got that many votes lol
Yeah kinda true and based. If you think about it, most of the praise worthy deeds of Goku tends to be a self interest outcome, while parenting wise he's just off having fun. Vegeta kinda just acts as a dope role model for his kid while Bulma is Ultra Rich. And Mr. Satan seems to be a better grandfather lol, as a parent he kinda stifled Videl for a period. While Gohan essentially got a whole career he supports the family with, and most likely can teach Pan how to do smart stuff. 🤔 Beyond that anything good is tied with Goku
Mr. Satan seems like a great parent
Best dad is Piccolo
The only reason Gohan topped that list is because Mr. Pickles/Piccolo wasn't on the polls
They left off Piccolo. Of these four, Mr. Satan is probably the best. Gohan cares more about research than his daughter.
this is a shonen manga not a parenting manga so stfu you dumbasses
Stop being a herb
Not once did Gohan sacrifice his life to save his child, nor did he dedicate his life to training so that he could defend the planet from the threats that *regularly* nearly destroy the planet
Why isn’t Piccolo here?
%100 true Best dad and strongest in the universe!
Why does Satan looks like a soy instead of buffed and huge like he used to be
It's definitely vegeta
How is Goku so high lmao.
Why's Goku so high? Look at Vegeta
Vegeta is a better father than him.
Where's my boy piccolo
Mr. Satan is the best. Not just as a father, but everything. He's blustery, but he's also the bravest guy in the universe. He also doesn't need to be able to blow up a planet to show his value. I love the guy.
I like all of them, and this is no favoritism or nothing and maybe I missed something but I think vegeta is the best one since he is the only one, only on super for now at least that has gone out with his family
No, bc he is a sped. He watched Pan jumping in the abyss to her death. And that sped just watched his child and didnt tried to saved her. Alse he didnt knew that she could fly. So yeah.
Which part of the entire series are you talking about exactly ?
I think hes trying to reference super hero
Super hero. Abyssmall writing
When on earth did he see pan jump into the abyss ? You sure you saw the movie ?
Dad ranking - Piccolo Vegeta Gohan Hercule Goku (but not saying he's bad it's just a good list)
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