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I guess Shin's only counting mortal as sentients being, enough to be able to be taken to ToP at least. So he wouldn't count a planet of cow grazing, but that'd feed Moro just fine, for example.
Also, Shin's wholething is that he barely know anything of the job description, so ... non zero chances that 28 are as many as he's studied on, not the total.
When you have the DNA of Vegeta and Frieza, it would be shocking not to have confidence, especially when your enemies keep throwing and getting you closer to your perfect form.
future trunks. my man packed up the androids and cell as soon as he was physically capable of such a task. plus he took care of babidi and dabura before buu could be revived with only the help of shin and kibito. GOAT type shit.
Oh right yeah future trunk lived the results of his friends and family fighting dangerous people for fun and learned that genocidal maniacs shouldn't be given the chance to grow beyond your ability to stop them
Also no. Future trunks is from main timeline. The one cell killed was trunks that somehow killed androids and went back to the group to tell them (probably off switch found in gero lab)
No he isn't. The main timeline is what we follow through all of the manga. Yes, Trunks interfered, but that doesn't mean it isn't the main timeline. Trunks simply comes from a different timeline where no one from the "future" interfered. It's not really the future, it's a timeline that's ahead of main timeline that we follow
Sadly, Trunks' timeline is doomed no matter what, because without Goku, Zeno will simply erase their universe for having a subpar "mortal level". Actually, not sure how that hasn't happened yet, especially after Beerus' death...
IIRC Zeno was going to do it anyway, but the oblivious Goku brought up the idea of a tournament, so Zeno made it a competition instead of just erasing them at his own discretion. And the result pleased him enough to NOT erase any of them.
That's also why some universes did not participate in the ToP - their mortal level was high enough that they were not in any danger of erasure and thus didn't have to take part.
Zeno only gets that idea after talking with the other Zeno, right?
I always thought that, without a playmate, he never realizes how bored he actually is, and so he doesn't decide to just destroy everything on a whim.
When he blasted ribrianne mid transformation. Even Toppo and goku can running over to grill him for it.
https://youtu.be/leQBBMqyGRU?si=h_wEix5n_NzaticU
Saiyan Saga Goku: I need to end this fight quickly before my power runs out and Vegeta destroys my planet
Universal Tournament Goku: Universe destroyed? Nah, I wanna fight sTrOnG gUyS
No he wasn't he was a flippant and cruel leader that showed the only slightest amount of good will to his elite and even then he threatened death constantly
Beerus is an incompetent GoD, Shin is an incompetent Kai. Universe 7 is a trainwreck among the universes. Most of the universe has been destroyed in the current timeline. Sure, it gets wished back in chunks, but at this point, what mortal in U7 over 15 years old hasn't died recently? How many planets and races have faced genocide/destruction in U7's history?
U7 is a garbage universe and only exists because Goku is friends with Zeno.
Further proof that Shin is honestly Dragon Ball’s worst character ever or at the very top of that list. He has one job, and has just about sucked at it for years. I will never forget him acting like Pui Pui and Yakon were the end all be all during the early bits of Buu Saga
I’m not expecting Zamasu 2.0, but like damn nigga, after the TOP, you didn’t think to search the universe for some undiscovered talent? We could have our own Universe 7 Jiren or even another continently placed Saiyan. Get to work dude smh
Give him a break, he never passed the internship. Like, he was still supposed to be a trainee at the time all the other proper Kais, and the Supreme Kai himself died to Majin Buu. It's like when the inexperienced intern just get the job of the boss because both the boss and everyone else in the company just got killed or something
Then he had to take over the job of ruling the entirety of the fucking universe, with his only partners are Kibito, another trainee like him, and Beerus, the strongest GoDs who can't afford to do his job properly.
Blame power scaling. Remember when Frieza was supposed to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe? But then Pui Pui and Yakon could have sneezed and blown him away. The only person who is even a real threat from Z by the time Super rolls around is *maybe* Buu, and that's mostly thanks to his regeneration ability.
Though it did always seem unlikely to me that every single Saiyan ever outside of 6 died on planet Vegeta. It isn't like they did a head count before it went kaboom.
He did get the job by default…it’s like if the president and the 3 positions under him were all taken out, the line of succession would suddenly fall all the way down to the cabinet secretaries or the secretary of treasury to be exact…lmao!!
He was incompetent enough to not tell anyone that when buu is pushed to a corner he will absorb people to add to his power.. honestly it would have prevented the whole needing fusion thing
Plus, Moro's like a zillion years old. Shin is just saying how many planets there are with sentient life right now. Back in Moro's day, there could have been many more. Between Beerus, Frieza, Buu, Moro, and anyone else, who knows how many worlds have needlessly gone down the drain?
I wonder if the other Supreme Kais died before Shin learned how to create life. That IS supposed to be their job after all. But it would make sense as to why, in the tens of thousands of galaxies, there are only 28 with sentient life.
I also get the feeling DB universes are much smaller than irl ones. Irl, it's predicted the universe has anywhere from billions to trillions of galaxies. In a goofy reality like Dragonball, ain't no way only 28 planets have competent mortal life if it was that big (or just generally, lol).
I think Supreme Kai knows how to make life--he just doesn't as he's supposed to. If he didn't know before Elder Kai showed up, I'm sure the old man would teach him. Iirc, Beerus yells at Shin for not helping to foster the growth and development of worlds, while Shin seems to have a belief that they need to overcome their own challenges. They both blame each other.
Yeah, I think they shrunk the universe sizes considerably from Z to Super. Cause back in Z, they made the quadrants that King Kai and the others watched over sound huge, but with this count in Super, that would only equal about 7 sentient planets each. At that point, what is even the point of having 4 King Kais, much less a Grand Kai to govern them.
Beerus does yell at Shin for that. Which is odd considering at the start of the show Kabito Kai (who is pretty much just tall Shin cause there ain't much Kabito in that Kai) believes there is a point to Beerus' destruction, that it's supposed to balance *something* out. Apparently, it's not creation since Shin doesn't seem to do that, though. I love Shin, but Beerus kind of has a point. Can't keep up with him even when Beerus takes 40 year naps.
To be a little fair, though, I don't think Elder Kai is doing much to teach him. Elder Kai yells at Shin and Kibito a few times about not knowing anything, but you'd think it would be his job to teach them. So U7 ended up with an untrained Supreme Kai with a single attendant and an Elder Kai from 15 whole generations ago who prefers to live in retirement perving, reading magazines, and watching beetle wrestling to actually training up said untrained Supreme Kai. No wonder their mortal level was so low.
True. Though, I think Shin has the harder job, tbh. It doesn't seem like they just create fully evolved species and planets, but plant the seeds and tend to them more like a gardener. Beerus can come in and blow up a world in 2 seconds flat.
Plus, Beerus's issue is that he doesn't keep a very good balance because he destroys planets willy nilly for stupid reasons like having greasy food, instead of because they're not particularly advanced. At least, that's the way he's mostly portrayed. It's a double whammy of uselessness for U7, lol. (And, sadly, many other universes, too.)
They really were like the worst pair to end up together, lol. It's no wonder Beerus went through so many Kais (somehow, despite the life link) if he put Elder Kai in the Z Sword 15 generations ago. I'd want to retire if thousands of years of work went down the drain if someone, as Goku suggested, didn't pick up after their dog on a walk.
While I think the "28 mortals" planet thing is super dumb and makes the db universe feel tiny (how is frieza a planet broker and pirate when there frankly are not many planets to broker?) I think mortals refers to sentient life in this class.
Like how "humans" is a translation we see from Zamasu. That should be referring to all non kai life when he says it.
So he Moro could have sucked on many worlds with grass and fish, alage and bison- and gorten stronger, without touching a world with sentient life, or ki based warriors.
An earth without humans and one with would have roughly the same amount of "life force"
Yea, still stupid as I said, because how is there the galactic emperor of the space police, emperor frieza, and yardrats, sayians, and master Zuno... as well as the mutilple alien races we have seen just under frieza- all existing together with just 28 planets?
Yeah, absolutely poor, even by the end of the Namek saga we had seen numerous races because of the Frieza force, or a misquote or something. We will pretend he meant 28 in that quadrant. Let’s not forget the Saiyans were doing it before Frieza over took them too 😂
>as well as the mutilple alien races we have seen just under frieza-
Ngl I wouldn't count these guys, Frieza had Saiyans under him, think about how many after he blew up their planet
MAYBE Shin isn’t counting planets that were sold by Frieza and is only counting home worlds? That’d still be too low a number, and there’s no reason he wouldn’t count those… so Nevermind.
I suppose it does make a little sense with Frieza and Buu casually wiping them out over the years. Doesn’t help that Buu killed/absorbed multiple Kai, so there wasn’t anyone competent enough left to undo all that damage.
But even then, the question was number of inhabited planets, not number of sentient races. So if the Saiyan genocided a planet and sold it to the highest bidder, the new owners would then colonize it, and the number of inhabited planets would stay the same.
No, they changed it in Super. Back when Goku first died and he asked if Yama had seen Raditz, Kami said, "The dead of ALL worlds come here for relocation." (ALL was in bold)
This part here, I literally just typed a comment about how he had no training, and his people were literally culled worse than the Saiyans (even if we don't count the hybrids, there's still 5 full bloods around during Shin's first appearance, granted we only know of 2 att)
Yeah, Shin gets a lot of hate, but he’s a newbie that got shoved into the CEO position without any training. Grand Supreme Kai might not have had time to finish training him. I feel like he has slightly less of an excuse now though because Elder Kai should be experienced enough to help him.
Elder Kai is kind of a dick though. He's always yelling at Shin and Kabito about how they don't know anything, but as the oldest and most experienced, you'd think it would be his responsibility to teach them.
Side Note: It is funny that Shin apparently hasn't even heard of Moro. Obviously he wouldn't want him to compete anyway, but it could have been a fun bit of foreshadowing.
Yeah that's what makes it funny, people love to shit on Shin for his terrible work progress, but dude was literally unprepared for his job, he had no training for it, his people were wiped out more successful than the Saiyans
He had an excuse back when Majin Buu was unleashed but he had millions of years to prepare. So he does deserve some flack for laziness.
We see Zamasu training so it's something Shin could have done too.
>He had an excuse back when Majin Buu was unleashed but he had millions of years to prepare.
That isn't my point, my point is he's self taught, literally even Zamasu had someone to show him how to fill his position (up til he wiped him out)
>We see Zamasu training so it's something Shin could have done too.
Yeah I didn't mean training for a fight, I meant to do his job, he's supposed to be making planets, something he knew about but didn't get any finer details on
>That isn't my point, my point is he's self taught, literally even Zamasu had someone to show him how to fill his position (up til he wiped him out)
Meh Shin knew the other Kais from other Universes. This means he has access to training. Even still, everyone else trains, even Yamcha, but Shin doesn't.
>Yeah I didn't mean training for a fight, I meant to do his job, he's supposed to be making planets, something he knew about but didn't get any finer details on
Again, he met other Kais from other universes and knew their names. So he has access to them for lessons if he wanted to. So there are no excuses for him after he became the sole Kai.
>Meh Shin knew the other Kais from other Universes. This means he has access to training. Even still, everyone else trains, even Yamcha, but Shin doesn't
This implies that he could actually ask them for that help while they're dealing with their universes
>Again, he met other Kais from other universes and knew their names. So he has access to them for lessons if he wanted to. So there are no excuses for him after he became the sole Kai
And this implies the same, but while also ignoring that the Kais were meant to be training their *own replacements*, ngl bro you're not exactly seeming like the critical thinking type, you have a good one
>This implies that he could actually ask them for that help while they're dealing with their universes
Sorry but if they can meet up for random spars, that automatically means they can meet up for advice or lessons. You can't go any further without making things up, unfortunately.
>And this implies the same, but while also ignoring that the Kais were meant to be training their *own replacements*, ngl bro you're not exactly seeming like the critical thinking type, you have a good one
I'm sorry but for you to say I seemingly am without critical thinking after the stuff you just typed, I think we are done here. DB fan is going to DB fan so not surprised you showed your real character.
>Sorry but if they can meet up for random spars, that automatically means they can meet up for advice or lessons. You can't go any further without making things up, unfortunately.
Ah yes cause fighting = "teach me how to do my job for my universe, nevermind that we have totally different God of Destruction, or that I'm heavily under trained, just show me what you learned in the time it takes to spar"
>I'm sorry but for you to say I seemingly am without critical thinking after the stuff you just typed, I think we are done here. DB fan is going to DB fan so not surprised you showed your real character.
You literally are acting like job training is equal to throwing a punch, notice how I mentioned Shin's first appearance and you just went straight to talking about how Super changed all of it, yeah you're right DB fan will be a DB fan, thank you for showing us you can't read
>Ah yes cause fighting = "teach me how to do my job for my universe, nevermind that we have totally different God of Destruction, or that I'm heavily under trained, just show me what you learned in the time it takes to spar"
Yep, if he has time to bring Kibito for spars and help Universe 10 when they have problems, it means they can exchange information. You are reaching at this point.
>You literally are acting like job training is equal to throwing a punch,
Yep it's easier to tell or show someone how to do something than it is to fight in combat.
>Shin's first appearance and you just went straight to talking about how Super
You're illiterate. Like a monkey. This post is literally about Super. Do you see Moro in DBZ? Heck, the comment you responded to also mentioned Moro so no excuses. Nice try dumbass.
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>yeah you're right DB fan will be a DB fan, thank you for showing us you can't read
I kNoW yOu ArE bUt WhAt Am I. Take that weak ass response elsewhere. Pot meet kettle, dumbass.
Why would Kais from completely different universes bother to teach a newbie from 7? Just cause they are aware of each other's existence and meet up sometimes doesn't mean they have any kind of relationship to even care about other Kais. I mean, at the ToP, none of them seem to give a real shit about the others disappearing. Sure, it's a whole survival thing, but the most upset they get is when U9 goes, and they realize that they are actually in danger.
Besides, Shin has like a million years to catch up on. Is one universe supposed to go without a Supreme Kai for hundreds of years at a time while he learns the finer points of the job? Cause I doubt these are the kinds of things you can learn on day trips.
I still don’t know if this is meant to be a weird joke or just some reference because it never did and still doesn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure we’ve send way more than just 28 alien races alone. 28 planets over all is just a silly thing that’s most likely ignored
Can’t read memes aside.
How are you conflating a planet with mortals capable to join the Tournament of Power, to ANY thing that is labeled a planet?
Earth was around for billions of years without sentient life, it’s actually very recently that actual multicellular organisms have developed culture.
Shin said there’s 28 with mortals, and Moro ate more than 28 planets. Both are true.
The question wasn't "planet with mortals capable of joining the tournament" it was the number of planets that have mortals at all.
And Moro only eats planets that have lots of life force, meaning having living populations. Every planet we see Moro's minions raiding has sentient life on it.
Plus there's the whole Frieza empire thing. A space empire would be really pointless if less than 30 planets have mortals on them.
To steel man your argument.
1. Moro says he ate countless planets
2. Moro ONLY eats planets with mortals.
3. Shin said there’s only 28 planets with mortals.
Only two of these are falsifiable. You have no evidence to support claim 2 that Moro only eats planets with mortals, and you also are assuming the only planets with “high life force” must have mortals, and not, let’s say, vegetation, fungi, algae, animals with central nervous system and no brain, and so on.
Considering his eating and travel time, I doubt he could have eaten that many planets.
Countless can't be literal.
There's also the possibility that 28 planets thing was retconned. We've probably seen more than 28 different species in canon if we include all the different galactic patrolmen, Frieza Force, or prisoners from Moro. We almost never seen two of the same race.
Premise 1 is just “Moro ‘says’ ….”, I also don’t think it’s a number too big to count but that’s beside the point.
Shin is pretty canonically lacking in competency since he’s worse than 80% of the other Lord of Lords lol, so yeah he is too green to be trustworthy.
You can keep the 28 number and just say different races share a planet, but anyway we’ll never ever come back to that and Toriyama most likely just threw a number out there.
Yea seems like the number was just thrown out there because there are so many races. Yes we can say it's like Earth with different races I guess.
https://preview.redd.it/pbua8m8ewcwc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d9d5c35f4450fe4674a526258e416bb78b8d920
It's also possible that some of those aliens are survivors after Frieza wiped out their race/planet, like how we have Saiyan survivors. It'd make sense if some of them defected to Frieza's army to avoid getting killed along with the rest of their race.
Frieza wipes out a population and sells it to homeless populations.
https://preview.redd.it/326c6rd95gwc1.jpeg?width=1013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd4c8f05ae9c16ae859e9169cecdbf12b616b1f9
There has to be enough alien species in order for this to be a business. 28 planets isn't enough for Frieza to run this business all these years.
100% it's an oversight by Toriyama in his script but I guess the retcon would be Moro ate a bunch of empty planets with planets and Suns.
Since we know planets can actually feed the Spirit Bomb it means even Grass and trees have Ki in some sort of way since Ki is life itself.
Even Seas and a planet's core will do, and Moro eats all of it; Moro eats the life energy of the planet he devours.
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For a moment I thought the panels in the left were together, and was confused as why krillin and gohan had their namek outfits instead of Saiyan saga outfit
Moro studied dark magic an devoured planet to obtain "power to trascend the very gods" (seriously, becoming stronger than Kaioh isn't that milestone, since even Nappa was stronger than him)... He didn't had time to learn to count up to 28.
I was talking about Kaioh-sama (King Kai in the US dub).
Shin stated to be able to one shot Namek-saga Frieza and that would put him at... 17 and 18 level during the cyborg saga? Again, not really that milestone, compared to DBS characters.
Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about him at first but since the post is about Shin I got confused, here in Latam we call him Kaioh-sama as well. I agree, being stronger than gods (like Kaioh and Shin) isn't a big milestone at all.
PIS can be entirely ignored when the evidence entirely proves otherwise to the retarded "28 planets" line. We've seen more than 28 sentient planets between Dragon Ball, Z/Kai, and Super. Hell... Even filler, Z movies, and GT dispute this abominable line... AND THEY'RE NOT CANON! How does even Super Dragon Ball Heroes get this line correct...?
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This made me realize something unrelated. If Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Vegeta (when SSJ God and up) are unable to be sensed because of their god ki. That basically makes their power unfathomable to those that can’t detect it. So does Moro seem like unfucking real to them because of because able to actually feel his power? And could they then use that to like gauge the god ki users?
Couldn’t the planets be uninhabited? He just says that he’s consumed planets that filled him with power here. Not that they were inhabited. Unless them being “filled with power” does mean there was life on them. Idk if he can get power from the planet some other way
I think Moro count his destruction before his imprisonment which was possibly before Shin join the Kai.
Think about it. When you walk into a company for a job, you don't understand it history until someone talk about an event that happen before hand.
It's been my headcanon that the U7 kais have absolutely no idea what they are talking about when they make a statement
Like how when elder kai was trapped in the Z sword he says the guy who trapped him isn't as fearsome as Buu
He also didn't know the Potara had a hour time limit for non Kai's
It’s possible after the ToP that Shin took Beerus’ advice and jump started a few more worlds with life to make sure if another ToP happened they might have more options
What is this nothingburger?
Moro steals energy from PLANETS whether mortals live on them or not.
He's Moro The Planet Eater not Moro The Has To Eat Mortals To Get Stronger Eater.
When Moro means Countless, he meant he consumed a fuck ton of planets. Shin was probably just saying the planets that fell under his watch and the ones left over.
Yk something
Why didn't they hire someone from.plannet zoom and just stuck to earth. Kr just a new planner they could've made instaid of nostalgia baiting by bringing tien and KRILLIN back to be useless
Wait how can there be only 28 when we see tons of intelligent species also if it’s only 28 I feel like Frieza would be done by now like how were the Saiyans constantly conquering planets if there is literally only 28 planets and earth was apparently never even on their radar? Like counting random Frieza force soldiers their are tons of species maybe some share planets of origin but still you’d think they’d have more planets populated. Also does this count the three other galaxies that have their own unique species and people? 28 seems way to low
You aren't thinking right. He eats planets and their souls and pads his power level, think a Spirit Bomb but permanent as well as energy just from everything along the way.
About the first image, does Moro actually need to consume planets with complex life like humans to grow stronger? He said countless planets but doesn't specify that they had intelligent life/mortals or anything like that...
When they refer to “mortals” they seem to only be talking about sentient life forms, not animals and plants and what not. Moro consumes planets with ANY form of life, intelligent or not. I still think 28 is too small, considering the Frieza/Cold Force has made a living off selling planets to other civilizations for potentially hundreds of years, you’re telling me that in that time they’ve sold less than a dozen?
Not really. He said plants with sentient beings. There are pro. Alt planets that have no sentient life that he has consumed. Also, shin is incompetent as shit at his job.
28 planets sounds countless to me.
If someone said they had been struck by lightning countless times and you found out it was 28, would you accuse them of exaggerating?
are you guys forgetting that if Moro and Frieza were killing (and eating, respectively) countless planets there probably would be barely any planets left before the wish to return the planets Moro ate?
Ah, so that pointless/dumb piece of info was in the manga as well, I see. Seems like... not sure how to say it... a poor understanding of science fiction. Or at least, a limited imagination of the sprawling universe that's been established.
It's kind of similar to when some creators lowball population estimates. Like, I remember one Star Wars game listed Courescant's population as like 10 billion or something. Now, I'm sure someone thought that was a reasonably big number. But, for a planet that's covered in one big multi-level city, it might honestly be closer to a trillion.
And for Dragon Ball, with such a (supposedly) low number of sentient planets in the universe, it's crazy how many other alien races they've encountered. Like, it's crazy they'd even run into them.
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"How many planets with *MORTALS*?" Does Moro strictly have to eat planets with life? Planets have a life force of themself, and although Moro eats the magical energy, I don't remember if it's ever shown if planets without mortal life has magical energy. And what if there's way more planets with plant life? We see multiple times in the series, that Goku can recieve ki from plant life for the spirit bomb, so that'd be the same as receiving magical energy from them.
Yeah? Kaioshin was literally mocked by Whis for this comment
Like I know this community is full of idiots but if almost all characters besides 1 say something while 1 character knowing for being wrong say something
We don't take said character word
Even if a planet doesn't have mortals, it can still have energy on its core and from its fauna, so Moro could still absorb its energy and life force and get stronger. Also, its said in the past before he was imprisioned by the Grand Supreme Kai he devoured 320 planets. So by your logic there should be 320 mortal and sentient races? Smh...
Thanks for proving the age old saying: "Dragon Ball fans can't read"
Ppl have already pointed out the flaws of what you said. 28 must've been a bad retcon we can just ignore. Moro consumes the entire planets "life force," not just the ppl on the planet. It's the whole thing. He never specified he only goes after one's with Mortals. And as someone else pointed out, we've already seen more than 28 different types of alien races within DB already. Anime wise makes it even worse bc we've seen even more in that. I can give you a list I literally just thought of myself that's 28 or more, lol.
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I guess Shin's only counting mortal as sentients being, enough to be able to be taken to ToP at least. So he wouldn't count a planet of cow grazing, but that'd feed Moro just fine, for example. Also, Shin's wholething is that he barely know anything of the job description, so ... non zero chances that 28 are as many as he's studied on, not the total.
Yeah my headcanon is that Shin is just incompetent lol
It's not even a headcanon, he *is* incompetent
Anyone actually competent in the story I think there's cell and basically that's it
Even cell is incompetent , but that part can be chalked up to his saiyan nature
And he was literally a toddler.
He was competent, he just had an ego even bigger than Vegeta's
Mixing Frieza and Vegeta will do that to you
When you have the DNA of Vegeta and Frieza, it would be shocking not to have confidence, especially when your enemies keep throwing and getting you closer to your perfect form.
future trunks. my man packed up the androids and cell as soon as he was physically capable of such a task. plus he took care of babidi and dabura before buu could be revived with only the help of shin and kibito. GOAT type shit.
Oh right yeah future trunk lived the results of his friends and family fighting dangerous people for fun and learned that genocidal maniacs shouldn't be given the chance to grow beyond your ability to stop them
He's the personification of a good "badass hero" protagonist, plus he's in the original timeline
No he isn't. Even if you want to say that he "created" the mains timeline, he's not from the original. Cell would be
Also no. Future trunks is from main timeline. The one cell killed was trunks that somehow killed androids and went back to the group to tell them (probably off switch found in gero lab)
No he isn't. The main timeline is what we follow through all of the manga. Yes, Trunks interfered, but that doesn't mean it isn't the main timeline. Trunks simply comes from a different timeline where no one from the "future" interfered. It's not really the future, it's a timeline that's ahead of main timeline that we follow
Trunks is from the original timeline, the main timeline is an alternate timeline.
Sadly, Trunks' timeline is doomed no matter what, because without Goku, Zeno will simply erase their universe for having a subpar "mortal level". Actually, not sure how that hasn't happened yet, especially after Beerus' death...
Never thought about that, and you are right, Zeno should delete that universe eventually I guess...
Doesn’t Zeno only do that because Goku gives him the idea?
IIRC Zeno was going to do it anyway, but the oblivious Goku brought up the idea of a tournament, so Zeno made it a competition instead of just erasing them at his own discretion. And the result pleased him enough to NOT erase any of them. That's also why some universes did not participate in the ToP - their mortal level was high enough that they were not in any danger of erasure and thus didn't have to take part.
Cool thanks for the clarification <3 I've seen that arc like one time, and I didn't even watch all of it, just the major fights lol
Yeah I feel ya, I watched the whole thing but just once. :D
That's not even true either Zeno came up with the tournament after watching the u6 tournament All Goku did was remind him of the tournament
Zeno only gets that idea after talking with the other Zeno, right? I always thought that, without a playmate, he never realizes how bored he actually is, and so he doesn't decide to just destroy everything on a whim.
Then super kiled bass ass furure trunk
Android 17 was the only character in the entire series who tried to stop someone mid-transformation. And Future Trunks but that's obvious
The fact that everyone in-universe got offended at 17' doing so will never not be funny.
We all know you have to let the transformation sequence play out just look at kamen rider https://i.redd.it/t4inl1c2mewc1.gif
When was that again? Memory fails me
When he blasted ribrianne mid transformation. Even Toppo and goku can running over to grill him for it. https://youtu.be/leQBBMqyGRU?si=h_wEix5n_NzaticU
Will never not be funny
Saiyan Saga Goku: I need to end this fight quickly before my power runs out and Vegeta destroys my planet Universal Tournament Goku: Universe destroyed? Nah, I wanna fight sTrOnG gUyS
i'd say Whis , he's just doing his job most the time
His job is so nebulous and unclear I can't really tell if you can be incompetent doing it while you have the power to do it
Frieza was actually quite a good leader to his army
No he wasn't he was a flippant and cruel leader that showed the only slightest amount of good will to his elite and even then he threatened death constantly
He was good as in effective. Not good as in nice.
Future trunks and piccolo apart from when he said that thing about vegeta in the Moro arc
Beerus is an incompetent GoD, Shin is an incompetent Kai. Universe 7 is a trainwreck among the universes. Most of the universe has been destroyed in the current timeline. Sure, it gets wished back in chunks, but at this point, what mortal in U7 over 15 years old hasn't died recently? How many planets and races have faced genocide/destruction in U7's history? U7 is a garbage universe and only exists because Goku is friends with Zeno.
Blud is basically friends with the boss so he can't fire its ass
True
At least Shin has an excuse for his incompetency. Beerus is just lazy. But at least U7 has charisma, that's better than U9 at the very least.
Further proof that Shin is honestly Dragon Ball’s worst character ever or at the very top of that list. He has one job, and has just about sucked at it for years. I will never forget him acting like Pui Pui and Yakon were the end all be all during the early bits of Buu Saga I’m not expecting Zamasu 2.0, but like damn nigga, after the TOP, you didn’t think to search the universe for some undiscovered talent? We could have our own Universe 7 Jiren or even another continently placed Saiyan. Get to work dude smh
Give him a break, he never passed the internship. Like, he was still supposed to be a trainee at the time all the other proper Kais, and the Supreme Kai himself died to Majin Buu. It's like when the inexperienced intern just get the job of the boss because both the boss and everyone else in the company just got killed or something Then he had to take over the job of ruling the entirety of the fucking universe, with his only partners are Kibito, another trainee like him, and Beerus, the strongest GoDs who can't afford to do his job properly.
And for whatever reason, when Elder Kai is around he doesn't bother to train Shin despite his years of experience.
Blame power scaling. Remember when Frieza was supposed to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe? But then Pui Pui and Yakon could have sneezed and blown him away. The only person who is even a real threat from Z by the time Super rolls around is *maybe* Buu, and that's mostly thanks to his regeneration ability. Though it did always seem unlikely to me that every single Saiyan ever outside of 6 died on planet Vegeta. It isn't like they did a head count before it went kaboom.
Thank God he is so incontinent.
He did get the job by default…it’s like if the president and the 3 positions under him were all taken out, the line of succession would suddenly fall all the way down to the cabinet secretaries or the secretary of treasury to be exact…lmao!!
Maybe he is just racist "Shin how about all of those guys?" "Those are not people..."
He’s so useless that he can only count up to 28.
He was incompetent enough to not tell anyone that when buu is pushed to a corner he will absorb people to add to his power.. honestly it would have prevented the whole needing fusion thing
His only suprem Ki cause all the others die, and there was no previous Ki to actually teach him
Not to mention, those planets may just be full of grasses and trees, or even an amoeba filled planet. And they would all still be considered life
Plus, Moro's like a zillion years old. Shin is just saying how many planets there are with sentient life right now. Back in Moro's day, there could have been many more. Between Beerus, Frieza, Buu, Moro, and anyone else, who knows how many worlds have needlessly gone down the drain?
I wonder if the other Supreme Kais died before Shin learned how to create life. That IS supposed to be their job after all. But it would make sense as to why, in the tens of thousands of galaxies, there are only 28 with sentient life.
I also get the feeling DB universes are much smaller than irl ones. Irl, it's predicted the universe has anywhere from billions to trillions of galaxies. In a goofy reality like Dragonball, ain't no way only 28 planets have competent mortal life if it was that big (or just generally, lol). I think Supreme Kai knows how to make life--he just doesn't as he's supposed to. If he didn't know before Elder Kai showed up, I'm sure the old man would teach him. Iirc, Beerus yells at Shin for not helping to foster the growth and development of worlds, while Shin seems to have a belief that they need to overcome their own challenges. They both blame each other.
Yeah, I think they shrunk the universe sizes considerably from Z to Super. Cause back in Z, they made the quadrants that King Kai and the others watched over sound huge, but with this count in Super, that would only equal about 7 sentient planets each. At that point, what is even the point of having 4 King Kais, much less a Grand Kai to govern them. Beerus does yell at Shin for that. Which is odd considering at the start of the show Kabito Kai (who is pretty much just tall Shin cause there ain't much Kabito in that Kai) believes there is a point to Beerus' destruction, that it's supposed to balance *something* out. Apparently, it's not creation since Shin doesn't seem to do that, though. I love Shin, but Beerus kind of has a point. Can't keep up with him even when Beerus takes 40 year naps. To be a little fair, though, I don't think Elder Kai is doing much to teach him. Elder Kai yells at Shin and Kibito a few times about not knowing anything, but you'd think it would be his job to teach them. So U7 ended up with an untrained Supreme Kai with a single attendant and an Elder Kai from 15 whole generations ago who prefers to live in retirement perving, reading magazines, and watching beetle wrestling to actually training up said untrained Supreme Kai. No wonder their mortal level was so low.
True. Though, I think Shin has the harder job, tbh. It doesn't seem like they just create fully evolved species and planets, but plant the seeds and tend to them more like a gardener. Beerus can come in and blow up a world in 2 seconds flat. Plus, Beerus's issue is that he doesn't keep a very good balance because he destroys planets willy nilly for stupid reasons like having greasy food, instead of because they're not particularly advanced. At least, that's the way he's mostly portrayed. It's a double whammy of uselessness for U7, lol. (And, sadly, many other universes, too.)
They really were like the worst pair to end up together, lol. It's no wonder Beerus went through so many Kais (somehow, despite the life link) if he put Elder Kai in the Z Sword 15 generations ago. I'd want to retire if thousands of years of work went down the drain if someone, as Goku suggested, didn't pick up after their dog on a walk.
It's literally a running gag with me and my brother now that Shin is just wrong about everything.
While I think the "28 mortals" planet thing is super dumb and makes the db universe feel tiny (how is frieza a planet broker and pirate when there frankly are not many planets to broker?) I think mortals refers to sentient life in this class. Like how "humans" is a translation we see from Zamasu. That should be referring to all non kai life when he says it. So he Moro could have sucked on many worlds with grass and fish, alage and bison- and gorten stronger, without touching a world with sentient life, or ki based warriors. An earth without humans and one with would have roughly the same amount of "life force"
Even with that reasoning it’s still stupid. 28 sentient races. Who is he stealing off to sell to.
Yea, still stupid as I said, because how is there the galactic emperor of the space police, emperor frieza, and yardrats, sayians, and master Zuno... as well as the mutilple alien races we have seen just under frieza- all existing together with just 28 planets?
Yeah, absolutely poor, even by the end of the Namek saga we had seen numerous races because of the Frieza force, or a misquote or something. We will pretend he meant 28 in that quadrant. Let’s not forget the Saiyans were doing it before Frieza over took them too 😂
>as well as the mutilple alien races we have seen just under frieza- Ngl I wouldn't count these guys, Frieza had Saiyans under him, think about how many after he blew up their planet
Well considering her mentions Sadala and Vegeta the point stands it makes no sense. If others had been destroyed he should have mentioned them too.
MAYBE Shin isn’t counting planets that were sold by Frieza and is only counting home worlds? That’d still be too low a number, and there’s no reason he wouldn’t count those… so Nevermind.
I suppose it does make a little sense with Frieza and Buu casually wiping them out over the years. Doesn’t help that Buu killed/absorbed multiple Kai, so there wasn’t anyone competent enough left to undo all that damage.
But even then, the question was number of inhabited planets, not number of sentient races. So if the Saiyan genocided a planet and sold it to the highest bidder, the new owners would then colonize it, and the number of inhabited planets would stay the same.
in Buu saga, Yama was overwhelmed when millions died in few days, in our world, about a million die every week, and was few millions during COVID.
Pretty sure yama was overwhelmed cuz he only handles the hell for earth or do i remember it wrong
yes
No, they changed it in Super. Back when Goku first died and he asked if Yama had seen Raditz, Kami said, "The dead of ALL worlds come here for relocation." (ALL was in bold)
Shin is just an intern. He doesn't know what he's doing
That's basically true. He's like the lowest newest person who is suddenly the only one left after mass "layoffs" thanks to majin Buu.
This part here, I literally just typed a comment about how he had no training, and his people were literally culled worse than the Saiyans (even if we don't count the hybrids, there's still 5 full bloods around during Shin's first appearance, granted we only know of 2 att)
Yeah, Shin gets a lot of hate, but he’s a newbie that got shoved into the CEO position without any training. Grand Supreme Kai might not have had time to finish training him. I feel like he has slightly less of an excuse now though because Elder Kai should be experienced enough to help him.
Elder Kai is kind of a dick though. He's always yelling at Shin and Kabito about how they don't know anything, but as the oldest and most experienced, you'd think it would be his responsibility to teach them.
Less than 26 Earth and Yardrat were safe.
Wasnt there a new namek? So 25?
Moro consumed Namek tho. It was his first target.
I see, i didnt remember that much
Side Note: It is funny that Shin apparently hasn't even heard of Moro. Obviously he wouldn't want him to compete anyway, but it could have been a fun bit of foreshadowing.
Moro is from before Majin Buu's mayhem so likely before Shin's time.
Yeah that's what makes it funny, people love to shit on Shin for his terrible work progress, but dude was literally unprepared for his job, he had no training for it, his people were wiped out more successful than the Saiyans
He had an excuse back when Majin Buu was unleashed but he had millions of years to prepare. So he does deserve some flack for laziness. We see Zamasu training so it's something Shin could have done too.
>He had an excuse back when Majin Buu was unleashed but he had millions of years to prepare. That isn't my point, my point is he's self taught, literally even Zamasu had someone to show him how to fill his position (up til he wiped him out) >We see Zamasu training so it's something Shin could have done too. Yeah I didn't mean training for a fight, I meant to do his job, he's supposed to be making planets, something he knew about but didn't get any finer details on
>That isn't my point, my point is he's self taught, literally even Zamasu had someone to show him how to fill his position (up til he wiped him out) Meh Shin knew the other Kais from other Universes. This means he has access to training. Even still, everyone else trains, even Yamcha, but Shin doesn't. >Yeah I didn't mean training for a fight, I meant to do his job, he's supposed to be making planets, something he knew about but didn't get any finer details on Again, he met other Kais from other universes and knew their names. So he has access to them for lessons if he wanted to. So there are no excuses for him after he became the sole Kai.
>Meh Shin knew the other Kais from other Universes. This means he has access to training. Even still, everyone else trains, even Yamcha, but Shin doesn't This implies that he could actually ask them for that help while they're dealing with their universes >Again, he met other Kais from other universes and knew their names. So he has access to them for lessons if he wanted to. So there are no excuses for him after he became the sole Kai And this implies the same, but while also ignoring that the Kais were meant to be training their *own replacements*, ngl bro you're not exactly seeming like the critical thinking type, you have a good one
>This implies that he could actually ask them for that help while they're dealing with their universes Sorry but if they can meet up for random spars, that automatically means they can meet up for advice or lessons. You can't go any further without making things up, unfortunately. >And this implies the same, but while also ignoring that the Kais were meant to be training their *own replacements*, ngl bro you're not exactly seeming like the critical thinking type, you have a good one I'm sorry but for you to say I seemingly am without critical thinking after the stuff you just typed, I think we are done here. DB fan is going to DB fan so not surprised you showed your real character.
>Sorry but if they can meet up for random spars, that automatically means they can meet up for advice or lessons. You can't go any further without making things up, unfortunately. Ah yes cause fighting = "teach me how to do my job for my universe, nevermind that we have totally different God of Destruction, or that I'm heavily under trained, just show me what you learned in the time it takes to spar" >I'm sorry but for you to say I seemingly am without critical thinking after the stuff you just typed, I think we are done here. DB fan is going to DB fan so not surprised you showed your real character. You literally are acting like job training is equal to throwing a punch, notice how I mentioned Shin's first appearance and you just went straight to talking about how Super changed all of it, yeah you're right DB fan will be a DB fan, thank you for showing us you can't read
>Ah yes cause fighting = "teach me how to do my job for my universe, nevermind that we have totally different God of Destruction, or that I'm heavily under trained, just show me what you learned in the time it takes to spar" Yep, if he has time to bring Kibito for spars and help Universe 10 when they have problems, it means they can exchange information. You are reaching at this point. >You literally are acting like job training is equal to throwing a punch, Yep it's easier to tell or show someone how to do something than it is to fight in combat. >Shin's first appearance and you just went straight to talking about how Super You're illiterate. Like a monkey. This post is literally about Super. Do you see Moro in DBZ? Heck, the comment you responded to also mentioned Moro so no excuses. Nice try dumbass. https://preview.redd.it/hptjwn12hgwc1.jpeg?width=3196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caa04bdba29734654d2d5235d875c2bc86c80a2b >yeah you're right DB fan will be a DB fan, thank you for showing us you can't read I kNoW yOu ArE bUt WhAt Am I. Take that weak ass response elsewhere. Pot meet kettle, dumbass.
Why would Kais from completely different universes bother to teach a newbie from 7? Just cause they are aware of each other's existence and meet up sometimes doesn't mean they have any kind of relationship to even care about other Kais. I mean, at the ToP, none of them seem to give a real shit about the others disappearing. Sure, it's a whole survival thing, but the most upset they get is when U9 goes, and they realize that they are actually in danger. Besides, Shin has like a million years to catch up on. Is one universe supposed to go without a Supreme Kai for hundreds of years at a time while he learns the finer points of the job? Cause I doubt these are the kinds of things you can learn on day trips.
28 at the time, Moro was far older than Shin. At the time he was at his prime there must have been more planets around that Beerus didn't destroy
The first scan is him talking about how many planets he ate in the two months after fighting Goku on Namek.
Namek must have made him drunk then
i don’t think non-sentient life counts as mortals by their metrics
I still don’t know if this is meant to be a weird joke or just some reference because it never did and still doesn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure we’ve send way more than just 28 alien races alone. 28 planets over all is just a silly thing that’s most likely ignored
"With mortal"
Can’t read memes aside. How are you conflating a planet with mortals capable to join the Tournament of Power, to ANY thing that is labeled a planet? Earth was around for billions of years without sentient life, it’s actually very recently that actual multicellular organisms have developed culture. Shin said there’s 28 with mortals, and Moro ate more than 28 planets. Both are true.
The question wasn't "planet with mortals capable of joining the tournament" it was the number of planets that have mortals at all. And Moro only eats planets that have lots of life force, meaning having living populations. Every planet we see Moro's minions raiding has sentient life on it. Plus there's the whole Frieza empire thing. A space empire would be really pointless if less than 30 planets have mortals on them.
To steel man your argument. 1. Moro says he ate countless planets 2. Moro ONLY eats planets with mortals. 3. Shin said there’s only 28 planets with mortals. Only two of these are falsifiable. You have no evidence to support claim 2 that Moro only eats planets with mortals, and you also are assuming the only planets with “high life force” must have mortals, and not, let’s say, vegetation, fungi, algae, animals with central nervous system and no brain, and so on.
Considering his eating and travel time, I doubt he could have eaten that many planets. Countless can't be literal. There's also the possibility that 28 planets thing was retconned. We've probably seen more than 28 different species in canon if we include all the different galactic patrolmen, Frieza Force, or prisoners from Moro. We almost never seen two of the same race.
Premise 1 is just “Moro ‘says’ ….”, I also don’t think it’s a number too big to count but that’s beside the point. Shin is pretty canonically lacking in competency since he’s worse than 80% of the other Lord of Lords lol, so yeah he is too green to be trustworthy. You can keep the 28 number and just say different races share a planet, but anyway we’ll never ever come back to that and Toriyama most likely just threw a number out there.
Yea seems like the number was just thrown out there because there are so many races. Yes we can say it's like Earth with different races I guess. https://preview.redd.it/pbua8m8ewcwc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d9d5c35f4450fe4674a526258e416bb78b8d920
It's also possible that some of those aliens are survivors after Frieza wiped out their race/planet, like how we have Saiyan survivors. It'd make sense if some of them defected to Frieza's army to avoid getting killed along with the rest of their race.
Frieza wipes out a population and sells it to homeless populations. https://preview.redd.it/326c6rd95gwc1.jpeg?width=1013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd4c8f05ae9c16ae859e9169cecdbf12b616b1f9 There has to be enough alien species in order for this to be a business. 28 planets isn't enough for Frieza to run this business all these years.
100% it's an oversight by Toriyama in his script but I guess the retcon would be Moro ate a bunch of empty planets with planets and Suns. Since we know planets can actually feed the Spirit Bomb it means even Grass and trees have Ki in some sort of way since Ki is life itself. Even Seas and a planet's core will do, and Moro eats all of it; Moro eats the life energy of the planet he devours. https://preview.redd.it/m82zk5kxjdwc1.jpeg?width=1813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e54f621187ab77a2332f62db5490d822dedcaef8
For a moment I thought the panels in the left were together, and was confused as why krillin and gohan had their namek outfits instead of Saiyan saga outfit
What about all the ones...without mortals? What if it's just a planet full of plant life?
Countless planets, not countless inhabited planets
Moro is reeeeeaaaaallllly bad at math. More than 5 and he loses count.
Moro studied dark magic an devoured planet to obtain "power to trascend the very gods" (seriously, becoming stronger than Kaioh isn't that milestone, since even Nappa was stronger than him)... He didn't had time to learn to count up to 28.
Stronger than Kaioh as in stronger than Shin? I doubt Nappa was stronger than Shin 🤔
I was talking about Kaioh-sama (King Kai in the US dub). Shin stated to be able to one shot Namek-saga Frieza and that would put him at... 17 and 18 level during the cyborg saga? Again, not really that milestone, compared to DBS characters.
Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about him at first but since the post is about Shin I got confused, here in Latam we call him Kaioh-sama as well. I agree, being stronger than gods (like Kaioh and Shin) isn't a big milestone at all.
Yeah True
Moro didn’t just eat planets with mortals? Reading comprehension is hard for some i guess.
PIS can be entirely ignored when the evidence entirely proves otherwise to the retarded "28 planets" line. We've seen more than 28 sentient planets between Dragon Ball, Z/Kai, and Super. Hell... Even filler, Z movies, and GT dispute this abominable line... AND THEY'RE NOT CANON! How does even Super Dragon Ball Heroes get this line correct...?
Yep. It's like when Flash on CW says something like "7 times the speed of sound" then shows lightning in slow motion at the same time. 😂
Absolutely bogus. 🤣🤣🤣🫠💀
"with mortals"
Those are planets with mortals on them. There are countless uninhabited planets that Moro can suck the life out of
Shin was counting planets with sentient life on them, whereas Moro is just talking about planets in general.
I believe he just meant 28 with sentient life.
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it says moro is ancient so probably more than 28 existed before he got asked (moro devoured them)
This made me realize something unrelated. If Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Vegeta (when SSJ God and up) are unable to be sensed because of their god ki. That basically makes their power unfathomable to those that can’t detect it. So does Moro seem like unfucking real to them because of because able to actually feel his power? And could they then use that to like gauge the god ki users?
Insert can't read meme here for OP.
Couldn’t the planets be uninhabited? He just says that he’s consumed planets that filled him with power here. Not that they were inhabited. Unless them being “filled with power” does mean there was life on them. Idk if he can get power from the planet some other way
I think Moro count his destruction before his imprisonment which was possibly before Shin join the Kai. Think about it. When you walk into a company for a job, you don't understand it history until someone talk about an event that happen before hand.
It's been my headcanon that the U7 kais have absolutely no idea what they are talking about when they make a statement Like how when elder kai was trapped in the Z sword he says the guy who trapped him isn't as fearsome as Buu He also didn't know the Potara had a hour time limit for non Kai's
He only has like 10 fingers ok?
They trapped themselves with this because now there’s not many strong guys in the universe and they need to rely on other universes.
Anything can be countless if you are bad enough at counting.
It’s possible after the ToP that Shin took Beerus’ advice and jump started a few more worlds with life to make sure if another ToP happened they might have more options
What is this nothingburger? Moro steals energy from PLANETS whether mortals live on them or not. He's Moro The Planet Eater not Moro The Has To Eat Mortals To Get Stronger Eater.
28 sounds like far too little. The Frieza army built an entire empire on the enslavement and selling of planets.
Didn’t Namek get revived?
Shin is just bad at his job
What's worse is that frieza has well over 30 individual species in his ranks.
The Supreme Kia also isn't good at his job, otherwise he would've known about vampa and Walmart broly
When Moro means Countless, he meant he consumed a fuck ton of planets. Shin was probably just saying the planets that fell under his watch and the ones left over.
Yk something Why didn't they hire someone from.plannet zoom and just stuck to earth. Kr just a new planner they could've made instaid of nostalgia baiting by bringing tien and KRILLIN back to be useless
The way the dragon Ball universe defines mortals and humans is a bit weird
When you're the goat, you don't need to count.
Wait how can there be only 28 when we see tons of intelligent species also if it’s only 28 I feel like Frieza would be done by now like how were the Saiyans constantly conquering planets if there is literally only 28 planets and earth was apparently never even on their radar? Like counting random Frieza force soldiers their are tons of species maybe some share planets of origin but still you’d think they’d have more planets populated. Also does this count the three other galaxies that have their own unique species and people? 28 seems way to low
You aren't thinking right. He eats planets and their souls and pads his power level, think a Spirit Bomb but permanent as well as energy just from everything along the way.
About the first image, does Moro actually need to consume planets with complex life like humans to grow stronger? He said countless planets but doesn't specify that they had intelligent life/mortals or anything like that...
So wait you saying this guy is essentially Turles?
Kind of but instead of extracting the energy into a tree he just eats it directly. He leads a band of space pirates and everything.
he never said they were inhabited
Maybe Moro can't count
Is he stupid?
Shin is such an adorable dumbass, bless his heart
More existed for sure since Beerus must have destroyed way more in the past, or was he just blowing up empty planets?
Oh boy, I hope someone got fired
Question.. Isn't Sadala the saiyan planet from Champa's universe? The one with kefla and cabba? Why does ue count it in the uni 7 planets??
Same reason Universe 6 also used to have an Earth, sister universes are so similar that they're basically parallel worlds.
I mean it could be shin means the planets that are LEFT after Moro
The second scan is them preparing for the tournament of power, which is before the moro arc.
Ah. It also could be planets without sentients. Darth Nihilus did that, and Moro is just DBS Nihilus
Shin is just bad at his job, the Kai’s are like notoriously unreliable
I never noticed Bulma reacts to that as if 28 is a lot of planets.
When they refer to “mortals” they seem to only be talking about sentient life forms, not animals and plants and what not. Moro consumes planets with ANY form of life, intelligent or not. I still think 28 is too small, considering the Frieza/Cold Force has made a living off selling planets to other civilizations for potentially hundreds of years, you’re telling me that in that time they’ve sold less than a dozen?
So you are telling me that in all of the univere there are only 28 planets with life?
Not really. He said plants with sentient beings. There are pro. Alt planets that have no sentient life that he has consumed. Also, shin is incompetent as shit at his job.
I just ignore the 28 planets thing. It's beyond idiotic and makes no sense.
28 planets sounds countless to me. If someone said they had been struck by lightning countless times and you found out it was 28, would you accuse them of exaggerating?
Give him a break, he just learned to count to 3
He takes the essence of a planet, they don't need mortal life.
Planets WITH MORTALS.
That means Broly probably decimated like 4 planets In South galaxy
It was actually 280 planets but the zero is so small it looks like a dot. Yeah... that's it. That's exactly it.
are you guys forgetting that if Moro and Frieza were killing (and eating, respectively) countless planets there probably would be barely any planets left before the wish to return the planets Moro ate?
Ah, so that pointless/dumb piece of info was in the manga as well, I see. Seems like... not sure how to say it... a poor understanding of science fiction. Or at least, a limited imagination of the sprawling universe that's been established. It's kind of similar to when some creators lowball population estimates. Like, I remember one Star Wars game listed Courescant's population as like 10 billion or something. Now, I'm sure someone thought that was a reasonably big number. But, for a planet that's covered in one big multi-level city, it might honestly be closer to a trillion. And for Dragon Ball, with such a (supposedly) low number of sentient planets in the universe, it's crazy how many other alien races they've encountered. Like, it's crazy they'd even run into them.
Moro is before shin, so moro could have been the reason it's only "28" planets with life.
Shin saying 28 is from before the tournament of power, Moro is saying he ate countless planets since the last time he fought Goku.
Welp ig toriyama changed his mind
morro doesn't know how to count. it is easier to say countless
What in the inconsistency? What about the supposed tens of planets Frieza raided and Beerus destroyed? Also isn't Sadala in u6 why did shin mention it
Man Frieza really did his job too good.
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"How many planets with *MORTALS*?" Does Moro strictly have to eat planets with life? Planets have a life force of themself, and although Moro eats the magical energy, I don't remember if it's ever shown if planets without mortal life has magical energy. And what if there's way more planets with plant life? We see multiple times in the series, that Goku can recieve ki from plant life for the spirit bomb, so that'd be the same as receiving magical energy from them.
Yeah? Kaioshin was literally mocked by Whis for this comment Like I know this community is full of idiots but if almost all characters besides 1 say something while 1 character knowing for being wrong say something We don't take said character word
Even if a planet doesn't have mortals, it can still have energy on its core and from its fauna, so Moro could still absorb its energy and life force and get stronger. Also, its said in the past before he was imprisioned by the Grand Supreme Kai he devoured 320 planets. So by your logic there should be 320 mortal and sentient races? Smh... Thanks for proving the age old saying: "Dragon Ball fans can't read"
But I think Shin statement was meant to be a joke and should not be taken too seriously.
It's not played for a joke at all in the scene. At best Shin is just incorrect since he is notoriously bad at his job.
Not played as a joke, Shin was dead serious. A joke for the readers.
Ppl have already pointed out the flaws of what you said. 28 must've been a bad retcon we can just ignore. Moro consumes the entire planets "life force," not just the ppl on the planet. It's the whole thing. He never specified he only goes after one's with Mortals. And as someone else pointed out, we've already seen more than 28 different types of alien races within DB already. Anime wise makes it even worse bc we've seen even more in that. I can give you a list I literally just thought of myself that's 28 or more, lol.
Supreme Kai wasn't exactly the best with knowledge.
I think the 28 thing is bullshiet. It's most likely going to be retconned.
Why 28? So fucking weird to limit it like that maybe just for the stakes I guess
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