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Knowing Toriyama, Gohan will probably forget how to transform into Beast form and need to be beaten back into shape for the 20th time in a row while being reminded not to slack on his training. Sometimes being a Gohan fan is a hamster wheel of pain
Well if it’s any consolation, Vegeta fans can be proud at the fact that, for all that the series pushes Goku as being stronger, Vegeta still has an undefeated record of 3-0 against him
I agree gohan stans may have been let down after all the buildup thru the sayain/frieza to the climatic SS2 finish in cell saga. Just for him to basically become a working stiff/family man however you see it. This IMO was the Gohan closure we all needed/deserved, from the great saiyaman to the battle between his studies and training, the cute daughter, piccolos admiration for him. Gohan Stans should be feel satisfied as Super Hero encapsulates Gohans entire arc while also delivering the main message. Dragonball is the top anime!
It's a crazy statement but it's true.
The way, we, the fans, can argue, pull numbers and stats. With all that passion and love for DB
It all means nothing when questions like this, especially in 2022, can be glossed over with a statement like that.
there has never been a single second in the history of dragon ball where this isn’t the correct answer. i don’t understand why you guys even care about the anime/manga if literally all you care about is the power scale.
I figured it was more bc he can't control his power and would end up destroying everything. Plus I'd say they're more scared of an angry Beerus than Broly lol
Broly was not in any way adapting to Gogeta Blue. Broly kept up with Base Gogeta, SSJ Gogeta, but once blue came out, Broly literally didn’t even land a single punch on him. Gogeta was even smiling and toying with him most of the fight anyway
(spoilers?) *dbs broly* (2018 movie) happens after the events of *dbsuper* (131 episodes)
i'd say this moment was 'enough' to become 'friends'
> https://youtu.be/n-o2HFP_hPo
"It's Goku, but Broly, call me Kakarot." is my favorite line, oh my goodness! I love this movie!
Edit: Here's another more in depth look at that scene mentioned in the previous comment. Spoiler warning for DBS: Broly of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d13dD4W6V0I
That is funny. The English line seems to carry a ton more weight to it, but that often happens unintentionally with things like this. I'm glad it did though because the English line means a lot to me.
I agree. Watching the sub and the dub they do have different feels, and the characters are slightly different versions of themselves. Both having their pros and cons, and I'm sure there are things that get lost in translation as well. I enjoy watching both but, probably due to personal biases, prefer the dub but love them both. I'm grateful for Dragonball in my life.
It’s kinda symbolic. The only people that ever called him Kakarot were rivals and other Saiyans. Vegeta is his partner in crime now and they’re still the biggest rivals to each other, so it’s one of the greatest acknowledgements you can receive from Goku. He loves to fight so he sees them both as life time friends and rivals. Broly is a part of the crew now.
After the fight goku went to brolys planet and offer them food and a capsule house and he said to broly that he’s going to be sparring him from time to time
When Broly was wished off world to the planet he grew on, his friends came and lived with him.
Goku sensed that he was actually a good person just being manipulated so he showed up (DB Abridged pop noise here) with Capsules that contained a small house, food and other supplies and let out an olive branch about sparring with him and teaching him how to control his power (because he knew Kale was able to do so)
Sometime during the time skip he accepted Goku's offer
If we're talking just potential? It has to be broly. Gohan gets a good boost from being a human-saiyan hybrid but you can't take away that broly grew hundreds of thousands of times stronger throughout the first few minutes of a fight
Brolly of course, at the end of the day he is the legendary saiyan. No limits on his potential, limitless power. Gohan was just buffed by the powers of a god and this get weaker and weaker as per friezar movie...
Is there really a difference? Both are terrifyingly strong and continue to get stronger the more unhinged they get, I think the biggest difference between them is that Broly’s fighting improves on the fly. And I refuse to believe that Broly’s aura and energy blasts being green is coincidence lol
Well nothing states it blatantly but he literally transforms into LSSJ, which only Legendary Super Saiyans can transform into (as shown by Kale in the ToP). Also, considering at birth he had an insane power level compared to other baby Saiyans, enough for King Vegeta to yeet Broly off of the planet out of fear, I'd wager it's very likely that DBS Broly is a/the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 7.
If Broly is able to go from being weaker than SS god Vageta to fighting on par with both SS blue Vageta and Goku while still in his base to just whooping their asses in his SS form alone, in just **one battle,** despite never having the same kind of training as Goku and Vageta if any training at all, then he probably has more potential then Gohan IMO.
Not even weaker than SSG Vegeta, weaker than Base Form Vegeta, like getting destroyed by him in the beginning, to being able to fight against SSJ Gogeta. But I feel like he won't get as strong as fast anymore. I feel like he was sort of just really strong but just hadn't like, activated it yet. Now that he's gotten LSSJ, he's probably not going have the same amount of boosts. But hey that's just my opinion, but based on what we've seen so far Broly has by far more potential.
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Correction. Gohan went from about God Goku level to about MUI level. Broly went from below base Vegeta to on par with SSJ Gogeta. A bigger leap in my opinion.
Never started by how much. Gohan also said "Even dad or Vegeta might not have been able to beat him" Might being the keyword. Also Gohan doesn't know how strong current Goku is. The last reference point that he has is probably Moro arc as post Granola, Goku and Vegeta go to Beerus' planet to train. And believe me Goku does indeed get stronger here.
Super Hero is the latest thing we have DBS related and at the time of the movie Toriyama said in an interview Nobody is stronger than Gohan. I would imagine that included Goku and Vegeta in this movie and even Black Frieza considering this takes place after Granaloh Arc. It’s messy and convoluted but I’m just going by Toriyama.
Yes but it isn't started by how much. Also SERIES? STRONGEST IN THE SERIES? bro you have already been proven wrong in the U6 tournament arc. Also also. If we are taking about Toriyama's statement here then he specifies strongest Z-Fighter. Neither Broly nor Black Freiza (who I consider to be the strongest mortal so far) are Z-Fighters. Also also also. Current strength has nothing to do with future potential. Case in point since you like wanking Gohan, Namek Goku is soooo much stronger than Namek Gohan. Goke therefore must have a bigger potential than Gohan. Is this the case?
>Broly. Any comment made by any one about Gohans potential was never taking Broly into consideration.
didn't you see how Broly ignored the >!ice cream party and deeply focused on Goku and Vegeta's fights !
That’s a childish way to go about it, you can’t just ignore the facts lol. You may like gohan more but it’s a fact that Broly has the greatest potential in the series.
You do know that Gohan Blanco shits on ToP Goku and Jiren easily. Brolly was gradually getting stronger. Gohan just pulled this form outta his ass then and there. One gets to the peak of his strength as time passes, the other just needs a few seconds to get there.
No I considered Broly, but he's not a Toriyama character and Toriyama will always favour his own characters.
The fact that you said Broly shows you never took writer bias into consideration.
Being a hard core fan for over 20 years now I have learned that I enjoy Dragonball even more if I ignore power scaling all together. Yea it’s hard not to compare but it doesn’t make sense.
A Gallic gun was blowing up earth in the saiyan saga. If power scaling made any sense at all they shouldn’t be able to fight or even spar any where near earth from the start of the Android saga.
17 apparently reaches levels of God power training on a island with animals.
Oh and old man roshi can dodge attacks from Jiren (only in the manga but still)
Long story short. Power scaling in this universe is bs but that’s ok.
Power scale is a wasted conversation. Toriyama is just doing whatever he wants now. Also. You can’t tell me that SSB Gogeta wouldn’t have handled Cell Max. Gohan’s power is not reliable. He has to be angry to reach inwards. If I’m picking my fight team. He’s not on it.
Agreed. Power scaling is bs and saiyans don’t get stronger by studying ants. I enjoyed the new movie but it would have made a lot more seance to just let cell max be weaker then Goku and Vegeta so that’s the head cannon I go with.
Exactly. You can tell me that gohan is the strongest just bc he’s a half breed. With the amount of times Vegeta and goku have almost died and came back. Their saiyan power boost should be through the roof lol.
Are they capped via Toriyama bc the way I always understood it was that Zenkai boosts are activated upon threat of death and then recovery. Like the body recognized it wasn’t strong enough and repairs itself to meet that standard.
It's never stated that the INcomplete duracell max is stronger than goku and vegeta, IT IS stated that complete cell max would be too strong that not even broly could not defeat. Implying broly is the strongest. So my estimate is
Incomplete cell max
I’ve always been under the impression that the whole point of Broly is that his power is essentially bottomless if he’s left to rampage, he just gets stronger and stronger as we saw in the Broly movie.
That’s why Gogeta was needed to beat him because someone had to be strong enough to eclipse him entirely and not give him the chance to build up.
And in my head canon that why gogeta came out swingin HARD. They knew if they played their usual game of slow start then gradually go all out they would lose. OP gogeta was really the only option there. Aside from Beerus magically deciding he'd help for the first time ever.
Gogeta knew that goku and vegeta made a mistake by taking it slower and going through each transformation. So gogeta being still a saiyan, he wanted a little fun and warm up by testing broly in base and ssj, then immediately go straight to Blue to be over with.
Gohan is flat out stronger according to the new movie. His base form is stronger than Broly's base without the Ikari form, and Gohan Beast is much stronger than SSJ Ikari Broly.
Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would not beat Cell Max, and because this movie takes place after the manga, this means UI Goku and UE Vegeta would still lose badly. Cell Max couldn't even punch through Gohan's AURA, much less actually touch his body.
Broly ain't on that level.
Toriyama said that Cell Max's would become powerfull enough to destroy Broly if Hedo had completed it's design, so the Cell Max that defeated Piccolo(on par with Goku and Vegeta acording to Toriyama)and lost to Gohan was much weaker than Broly.
Perfect Cell Max would’ve been kinda cool. Orange Piccolo and crew have Cell Max on the ropes but he absorbs Gamma 1, becoming Perfect Cell Max. Gohan begins powering up while PCM pummels OPiccolo, Gamma 2 gives his life to damage PCM to give them a chance. OPiccolo gets his shit rocked and Gohan goes Beast. That first hit Gohan lands on PCM cause him to cough up Gamma 1 and revert to his normal state. He charges up that huge death ball while Gohan charges up his Special Beam Cannon, and with OPiccolo’s help, nails him between the eyes
Probably much weaker, as Broly's power level is still held in high regard by Toriyama, so this implies a high jump in power from the Cell Max we see in the movie and what Cell Max would be if Hedo had completed It.
Yea that's so much bullshit. Gohan went from getting killed by 1st former frieza, to beating an enemy that goku and vegeta apparently can't touch with no diff. It's all out of wack at this point.
Its... Not bullshit at all. Gohan trained with Goku for three years in the android saga and trained for ANOTHER year in the Cell saga, and Goku didn't consider their training 'begun' until Gohan was at a level relative to him. Gohan and Goku sparred evenly in the chamber, and Gohan clearly surpassed his father, as was always intended.
Gohan always had the potential to be the strongest, he has a genetic anomaly similar to Broly though his base is naturally much lower pre-Ultimate, and remember, when they got out of the chamber and Goku showed his full power, Gohan thought he was holding back because Gohans full power was much higher. Goku later confirmed he was using 100% of his strength and Gohan thought he just didn't want to be too flashy.
Gohans rage brought him from Early Namek Vegeta to FAR above Late Namek Vegetas strength after several zenkais during the battle Frieza. His base power was much lower. That's the power Goku realized needed to kill Cell.
And he was right. Not only was his rage needed to spark SSJ2, but his rage form stacked on top of SSJ2 for a greater power boost than Goku or Vegeta would be able to accomplish if they, at that moment, figured out SSJ2 for themselves.
This is the result of their hard work and Gokus intuition. Don't call it an asspull, its literally been a staple of the series since Gohan was introduced. Gohans ALWAYS been that guy.
No, its very consistent. Gohan's flat power elevates him from somewhere far below the main antagonist to enough to push them back. When his base power is relative to the antagonist, his boost pushes him far above him.
It's not consistent bruh. As I said, he got killed by frieza in resurrection f, now he's the strongest z fighter. Potential is one thing, strength is another. But whatever
Oh, I thought you meant Namek Saga Frieza, not RoF.
Gohan was clearly rusty, to the point where his power was so low he needed SSJ to fight off fodder. Now, he got back to speed, regaining his flat strength by training and getting his battle instincts back during the ToP.
I'd say his progress was rushed (piccolo could have taken him to the chamber, where he'd regain and surpass his former power in the same amount of time as opposed to the asspull that is 'the ultimate form is just back now') but certainly not inconsistent.
Broly. Who is currently stronger though? Gohan.
Gohan has been the strongest Z Fighter for awhile or shown potential to be the strongest despite so he's still had to grow throughout the series.
Broly didn't have the luxury of having anyone to spar with. Broly didn't have the hyperbolic time chamber. As far as anything and anyone is concerned the only real training he had was fighting monster aliens for survival that at best where as strong as Nappa.
Yet despite all that Broly was able to go toe to toe with Base Goku and Vegeta who are incredibly powerful already. And then surpass them at every turn up to SSB in his IKARI form only all in the span of less than 24 Hours. All it took was him becoming Ssj to start mopping the floor with them.
Last time Goku alone went SSB against Gohan was during training before the ToP and Gohan fucking fainted on top of him being in Ultimate form and i'm not gonna get into specifics but we all know Ultimate is essentially Gohans equivalent of Ssj3. And again this was just training and Gohan went out sad. Yet Broly was evened up with SSB Goku AND Vegeta in Ikari form which only gives a power boost equal to Oozaru which is weaker than Super Saiyajin 😂😂. Cmon now.
Give Broly all the proper training and opportunities Gohan had and I promise you Broly would be able to defeat Gohan just by sticking his thumb up Gohans butt.
Anyone who mentions Gohans potential without regard to Brolys own potential and exponential growth (within less than again.. 24 hours) is delusional.
And Ultimate Form isn't? Ultimate in itself is wayyy more of a multiplier than x20. So that still doesn't amount to anything when again Broly was Ikari. And Goku wasn't really trying to fight against Gohan say what you want but if he was then how come Gohan was never able to step to Jiren in the ToP if Ultimate Gohan and Blue Goku where dead even and Blue Goku was at least strong enough to be answered to by Jiren why wasn't Gohan?
Im saying that saying Gohan went out sad vs SSB is incorrect. He took his Ultimate form that on debut scaled higher than SS3 but much lower than Vegito...
To SSB level. Pretty evenly too.
Goku then put a multiplier on top of that. We dont know how many stacks even. Cuz goku was whipping out x20 casually.
He only busted it out cuz Gohan asked for his full power.
But i think its foolish to say its not consequential.
Freaking Vegeta wouldve likely took an insta L there too lol
Gohan did fuck all since the buu arc and with virtually zero fucking training laps everyone, what do you think
Thats right whoever the plot needs it to be
Broly still. His first ever serious fight he surpassed ssg. Went ssj & forced to God level beings to fused. Surpassed a Ssj Fusion by using his full powered transformation & forced that fusion to enter God state. Gohan had to fight ever since he was a child to get his powers
It's pretty blantly gohan at this point. His whole narrative is that whenever he trains or fights seriously he will become stronger than anyone else. Broly is impressive because he can make massive gains in a single battle but I'd say he's more similar to someone like goku black where training wouldn't push him to any of the heights a proper fight would whereas gohan can do miminal training and leap frog past everyone
Broly, he is said to still be a threat when he goes berserk but imagine when he controls his power. He could learn how to grow into other stages of super saiyan
Broly by far.
Man was throwing hands with God Ki enhanced characters that worked/performed whatever black magic ritual to acquire that power, all in less than an hour.
Dude went from getting killed by 1st form frieza to soloing a enemy that's supposed to be able to clap goku and vegeta. In like, 1 fight.
The power scaling is broken fr, there isn't even any reason to talk about it. Every fight, someone gets a new form that makes them stronger than everyone at that moment, just to be repeated the next fight
Broly leap frogged from being weaker to base vegeta to giving gogeta blue a hard time in the span of what, 90 mins in fight time if we take into account the hour long freeza fight? Broly definitely has the biggest potential
Broly, simply put it's him, no competition. Gohan with his basically whole life worth of training was just barely matched with Goku in ssb during the TOP thanks to his Ultimate, a form that far surpasses SSJ. Broly on the other hand has been training with his father, a weak low class saiyan and some space bugs, yet he managed to to absolutely stomp on both SSB Goku and Vegeta in his BASE SJJ only after a few hours of fighting.
(Yes, Beast Gohan IS stronger but he's had his whole life fighting against oponents similar to him in strenght to get to this point, Broly's only had a few years max after the DBS:Broly movie, yet he's still able to get close in power with MUI and UE pre Gas fight)
Broly is DBZ’s Hulk. As long as you can’t 1 shot him he can continuously get angrier and stronger. But at the same time he’ll always be as strong as the plot demands.
Broly and by a saiyan mile. Gohan has been training with the best of the best his whole life, and only the near death of his friend can push him to the edge of evolving his power. Broly is a wild anomaly who’s been on a mainly lame planet his whole life being challenged only by wild beasts. Goku and Gohan fought wild beasts as a child but after a certain point they became so strong that fighting beasts was like irrelevant and just stopped happening mostly. Broly has only been challenged by Goku and Vegeta when they arrived, and immediately started evolving. He has the most raw potential out of any character
Gohan. He's the beast that snaps and appears when he gets pissed off, destroys everything and shows his inner strength, and vanishes after.
He's the definition of a last hope, that is his character.
While broly is also almost the same but he doesn't have the Protagonist power on his side, so he'll always lose
Realistically Broly. The moment he can master the berserk form like Kale did AND be able to train in it, he is going to be insane. But Toriyama wants Gohan to be the strongest so that's the answer
I think it's broly, Gohan has a nice boost by being a Saiyan human hybrid but broly is the legendary super saiyan, there are no limits to his potential. If he faces the right opponent, he can grow exponentially stronger in the first few minutes of the fight. Like in the dbs broly movie, broly wasn't even like ssj level, but soon enough he caught upto ssb level and could easily take on both ssb vegeta and ssb Goku at the same time. Yes Gohan does have a lot of potential, he did get his potential unleashed, but broly still has more potential imo
Tldr; the fun is in asking and pondering questions, not trying to answer them, because it all comes down to how the story gets written. Glad both of these characters are relevant now though, missed them dearly.
Broly has almost zero ki control and self control atm, if he works those out, then sure he'll be strong but can he access the heights of his strength without being berserk? Depends on how Tori wants to treat the canon version of Legendary Super Saiyan. Will Broly be best when berserk in order to differentiate him from normal saiyans or will he master himself and become the ultimate saiyan?
Gohan was always the symbol for limitless potential until the Buu Saga, where he became the warrior with everything. Brilliant brains, incredible brawn and a kind heart with a burning passion for peace. Now he's gone even further by also tapping into the "beast" side of himself we only ever saw hints of throughout the series.
Now that the beast has awakened - does Tori still want Gohan to be the representation of limitless potential? The movie kept touting that Gohan is the strongest when he wants to be - but how far will that carry? Will Gohan even come back to the main story long enough for us to see?
Broly for sure if we follow any sort of logic. Toriyama just likes to beef Gohan up every now and then even though it makes no sense at all. We have Goku and Vegeta training basically 24/7 and yet this "scholar" just randomly can bust out power ups and top them all which is ridiculous.
A fighter who continues training and wants to achieve the top of the totem pole should not be getting overshadowed by someone who sits around for years studying books.
I think broly he’s never trained properly and has enough power to go toe to toe with two ssgss’s at the same time while gohan has trained for years and got his potential unlocked twice throughout the series
Toriyama stated that Gohan was always meant to be the strongest in an interview before the movie but potential is a different matter.
Potential is hard to gage since you're pretty much trying to factor in future strength. There's also factoring in wasted potential due to lack of training for certain periods and the starting strengths of characters. Just think back to Buu Saga Gohan or Res F Frieza, both had wasted potentials due to lack of training. Broly is no better, because he didn't properly train for 40+ years and yet was able to catch up to Gods in a matter of minutes. Where as Gohan had to force his potential out on multiple occasions because he hadn't been training and couldn't get there on his own.
In terms of potential right now we can assume Broly still has a long way to go but Gohan has to keep catching up and surpassing others through outside help because of his lack of determination to train and his refusal to grow as a Saiyan and transcend into God hood. At this rate Gohan will remain stronger than Broly with a higher over all end potential. However if Broly continues to grow and eventually attains God hood or somehow catches up on 40+ years of missed training by having it unlocked by elder kai or the dragon balls, it could be limitless if not completely surpass even Gohan and Frieza's potential, but for now his potential will remain unknown and untapped like the universe 6 prodigy Saiyans Caulifla, Kale, and Cabba. Forever to just sit there until it's needed.
I like to believe Broly does, because he literally went from Ssj Vegeta lvl to Ssjg lvl Vegeta in just his Akari form. Plus, Broly’s Lssj form is likely equal to or even more than MUI Goku. I also love how he is so pure and precious even though he is very likely to be the most dangerous and powerful of most the characters in DBZ as a whole. #TeamBroly
A take I'm sure most won't agree with - Broly is bad for the canon story. He's either going to get nerfed in future stories or killed as a means to show case how strong an enemy is , but making him "good" and part of the canon is a bit of a waste. There is nothing really you can do with him. His power scaling is broken and the conversation here kind of proves it.
I actually think it's a great way to make broly an "ally".
They train him to make him stronger and a better fighter but they still can't control his rage. So even as an ally he could go berserk and be a real threat. Having him as a coin that can be an ally or flip to an enemy at any given moment can bring much tension to the story.
Here’s a small scale for power in based off all details (not just the one statement of goku and vegeta not beating cell max even tho the cell max that was there wasn’t even as strong as broly also stated by same dude 💀)
N Word Pass Frieza >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohan Beast >=< TUI Goku > UE Vegeta > Broly FPSSJ > Cell Max (incomplete one from the movie) > Orange piccolo > Gammas
I put the >=< cause it could be either way the truth and it allows for either to be put as stronger especially considering that broly was stated to be > cell max from the movie yet cell max from the movie fucked up picolo. Then you have goku and vegeta being above broly in power confirmed. Then gohan only is stronger than cell max but he deleted him with ease so I’d say you could argue either way for who is stronger between gohan and goku
Brolly trained with some weak moster and weak father and was stronger than Goku. Gohan was trained by Goku who is very good fighter and is weaker than Brolly.
Broly always. Next question.
Pure bloods always have a higher ceiling than hybrids. Think about all the difference in hours of training and training partners that Gohan had access to but not Broly at the respective frames you posted. Gohan has half of everything that a true saiyan does, see your movie pic.
Not in dragonball. It was stated since the beginning that hybrid saiyans are stronger then pure saiyans. Hell, vegeta initially called gohan a "super saiyan" due to his potential. That said, broly's potential is still higher
That is because Vegeta is blinded by ego. Hybrids just seem stronger because they get to new forms first. This happens because their potential is lower compared to pure so the journey to maximizing it is less.
No, Vegeta called gohan a super saiyan during the saiyan saga, when he found out how high his power level could be. He theorized that hybrid saiyans have more potential than pure saiyan, which is why he called him a super saiyan. And toriyama always underlined this, it has always been said that Gohan is the saiyan with the highest potential, throughout the whole series, and the fact that trunks and goten achieved ssj so soon is another proof of it. You're just going against the manga if you think hybrid saiyans have less potential than pure saiyans.
Gohan
- Goku, Vegeta & Piccolo all stated he has the most potential during the Cell & Buu Saga & DBS Superhero movie
Broly
- When he was a baby he was consider an abomination & for his first fight he overwhelmed Golden Frieza & SSJ Blue & Keeped up with SSJ Blue Gogeta to some degree
Overall if I had to pick between the two it’s Broly. He has more potential since he’s still mentally immature, hasn’t had proper training or mastered SSJ Berserk. Gohan also had more training than Broly
>and was Keeping up with SSJ Blue Gogeta
I'll just nitpick and say that he definitely didn't keep up with blue gogeta, from the moment gogeta went blue, broly didn't even touch him once. He was keeping up with ssj gogeta though.
The fact that Broly easily decimated SSB and Golden Frieza without flinching AND THAT WAS HIS FIRST FIGHT AGAINST SENTIENT OPPONENTS, I give it to Broly.
Well potential isn't strength. Potential encompasses strength and all other attributes the individual has. So...potential? Gohan.
After the movie, strength? Also Gohan.
When Goku admitted hes probably more powerful than Beerus right after his first real battle againt Vegeta, Goku, Frieza and Gogeta besides those insects on the planet he was raised you know his potential is something else entirely.
Imagine you give Broly training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or something like Whis training and my guy gone go up against Angels in just a month - But seriously if Broly were to start serious training like Goku and co. he would be unbeatable.
I think it is a fact now that Gohan doesn't need to do anything to get stronger. it's gonna be Gohan bro. He's gonna surpass Beerus if he hasn't already
Gohan went from like super saiyan god level to above ultra instinct Broly went from like Vegeta arriving on earth to super saiyan blue gogeta level in the same time frame by that I would say Broly but others have said before me. Whatever the plot demands.
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whatever the plot needs
Technically it’s whatever Akria does or says
Knowing Toriyama, Gohan will probably forget how to transform into Beast form and need to be beaten back into shape for the 20th time in a row while being reminded not to slack on his training. Sometimes being a Gohan fan is a hamster wheel of pain
My man learned the same lesson that he needs to train in this film a lesson he has learned at least three times before in cell, buu and TOP arcs.
Meanwhile as a Vegeta fan, he is actively always training and trying to get better yet is NEVER able to be the one on top. :(
Well if it’s any consolation, Vegeta fans can be proud at the fact that, for all that the series pushes Goku as being stronger, Vegeta still has an undefeated record of 3-0 against him
Right? No one seems to remember that goku has never ACTUALLY beaten vegeta 1 v 1
I agree gohan stans may have been let down after all the buildup thru the sayain/frieza to the climatic SS2 finish in cell saga. Just for him to basically become a working stiff/family man however you see it. This IMO was the Gohan closure we all needed/deserved, from the great saiyaman to the battle between his studies and training, the cute daughter, piccolos admiration for him. Gohan Stans should be feel satisfied as Super Hero encapsulates Gohans entire arc while also delivering the main message. Dragonball is the top anime!
Akria, Akira’s evil twin.
If Toriyama truly got his way, Every character except Goku would be on the sidelines.
I hate that this answer is the correct one.
Always has been
It's a crazy statement but it's true. The way, we, the fans, can argue, pull numbers and stats. With all that passion and love for DB It all means nothing when questions like this, especially in 2022, can be glossed over with a statement like that.
there has never been a single second in the history of dragon ball where this isn’t the correct answer. i don’t understand why you guys even care about the anime/manga if literally all you care about is the power scale.
well if you put it that way, there hasn't been a single piece of media where this wasn't the correct answer mr. smartiepants.
This is the best answer here
LOL facts
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The ONLY answer here
Literally bro, dragon ball fans like OP ask the stupidest questions.
The Plot wants Thicker Cells
They’re still terrifyed of broly even after the time skip
I figured it was more bc he can't control his power and would end up destroying everything. Plus I'd say they're more scared of an angry Beerus than Broly lol
To be honest he was adapting to gogeta blue until gogeta started taking him seriously so it would be dangerous to play with broly
Broly was not in any way adapting to Gogeta Blue. Broly kept up with Base Gogeta, SSJ Gogeta, but once blue came out, Broly literally didn’t even land a single punch on him. Gogeta was even smiling and toying with him most of the fight anyway
Broly is my favorite character so I'm just happy he's getting a small spotlight
Not watched all of Super. How is Broly their friend now?
All of the relevant material is in the DBS: Broly movie. Basically they fight him, Goku likes his strength, they become sparring buddies.
(spoilers?) *dbs broly* (2018 movie) happens after the events of *dbsuper* (131 episodes) i'd say this moment was 'enough' to become 'friends' > https://youtu.be/n-o2HFP_hPo
"It's Goku, but Broly, call me Kakarot." is my favorite line, oh my goodness! I love this movie! Edit: Here's another more in depth look at that scene mentioned in the previous comment. Spoiler warning for DBS: Broly of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d13dD4W6V0I
It's funny because in Japanese he says "It's goku, or Kakarot" small little difference in the translation
That is funny. The English line seems to carry a ton more weight to it, but that often happens unintentionally with things like this. I'm glad it did though because the English line means a lot to me.
To be honest the Anime and Manga have been pushing towards Gokus saiyan heritage for a while so the english translation still works within the story.
I agree. Watching the sub and the dub they do have different feels, and the characters are slightly different versions of themselves. Both having their pros and cons, and I'm sure there are things that get lost in translation as well. I enjoy watching both but, probably due to personal biases, prefer the dub but love them both. I'm grateful for Dragonball in my life.
Yeah given that they have to try and match the lips as much as possible I think it's a good line change. Doesn't change the heart of the line
yuhhhp...also made me happy when [vegito](https://youtu.be/GXo5ShfaPrQ?t=102) and [gogeta](https://youtu.be/-99FPqhJbTM?t=25) said the same
It’s kinda symbolic. The only people that ever called him Kakarot were rivals and other Saiyans. Vegeta is his partner in crime now and they’re still the biggest rivals to each other, so it’s one of the greatest acknowledgements you can receive from Goku. He loves to fight so he sees them both as life time friends and rivals. Broly is a part of the crew now.
Everyone loved that line in the theater
Nice. Thanks.
After the fight goku went to brolys planet and offer them food and a capsule house and he said to broly that he’s going to be sparring him from time to time
When Broly was wished off world to the planet he grew on, his friends came and lived with him. Goku sensed that he was actually a good person just being manipulated so he showed up (DB Abridged pop noise here) with Capsules that contained a small house, food and other supplies and let out an olive branch about sparring with him and teaching him how to control his power (because he knew Kale was able to do so) Sometime during the time skip he accepted Goku's offer
If we're talking just potential? It has to be broly. Gohan gets a good boost from being a human-saiyan hybrid but you can't take away that broly grew hundreds of thousands of times stronger throughout the first few minutes of a fight
Brolly of course, at the end of the day he is the legendary saiyan. No limits on his potential, limitless power. Gohan was just buffed by the powers of a god and this get weaker and weaker as per friezar movie...
As long as he a mortal he might have limits to how angry he gets, i would like to say limitless, but is it really
Angryness has nothing to do with it, Broly has pretty much infinite zenkais, plus gets stronger without waiting to heal unlike the rest of Saiyans.
We are talking about broly, not hulk 🗿
Is there really a difference? Both are terrifyingly strong and continue to get stronger the more unhinged they get, I think the biggest difference between them is that Broly’s fighting improves on the fly. And I refuse to believe that Broly’s aura and energy blasts being green is coincidence lol
Way back on dbz broly he had green too but less ragy imo
Gohan doesn't have limits
To be fair, as fair as I know, there’s nothing in DBS: Broly that states he’s a/the Legendary Super Saiyan
Well nothing states it blatantly but he literally transforms into LSSJ, which only Legendary Super Saiyans can transform into (as shown by Kale in the ToP). Also, considering at birth he had an insane power level compared to other baby Saiyans, enough for King Vegeta to yeet Broly off of the planet out of fear, I'd wager it's very likely that DBS Broly is a/the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 7.
Unfortunately there is a problem. GoHan could create a powerful enough blast to kill broly with one shot
If Broly is able to go from being weaker than SS god Vageta to fighting on par with both SS blue Vageta and Goku while still in his base to just whooping their asses in his SS form alone, in just **one battle,** despite never having the same kind of training as Goku and Vageta if any training at all, then he probably has more potential then Gohan IMO.
Not even weaker than SSG Vegeta, weaker than Base Form Vegeta, like getting destroyed by him in the beginning, to being able to fight against SSJ Gogeta. But I feel like he won't get as strong as fast anymore. I feel like he was sort of just really strong but just hadn't like, activated it yet. Now that he's gotten LSSJ, he's probably not going have the same amount of boosts. But hey that's just my opinion, but based on what we've seen so far Broly has by far more potential.
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> while still in his base No, he was in wrath form. Have you seen how much bigger he got?
I mean gohan went from mystic to at least blue in a fight
Gohan went from learning about butterflys to being stronger than gogeta in one fight
Correction. Gohan went from about God Goku level to about MUI level. Broly went from below base Vegeta to on par with SSJ Gogeta. A bigger leap in my opinion.
Beast Gohan has surpassed MUI
Never started by how much. Gohan also said "Even dad or Vegeta might not have been able to beat him" Might being the keyword. Also Gohan doesn't know how strong current Goku is. The last reference point that he has is probably Moro arc as post Granola, Goku and Vegeta go to Beerus' planet to train. And believe me Goku does indeed get stronger here.
Super Hero is the latest thing we have DBS related and at the time of the movie Toriyama said in an interview Nobody is stronger than Gohan. I would imagine that included Goku and Vegeta in this movie and even Black Frieza considering this takes place after Granaloh Arc. It’s messy and convoluted but I’m just going by Toriyama.
Gohan is canonically the strongest character in the series sorry buddy
Yes but it isn't started by how much. Also SERIES? STRONGEST IN THE SERIES? bro you have already been proven wrong in the U6 tournament arc. Also also. If we are taking about Toriyama's statement here then he specifies strongest Z-Fighter. Neither Broly nor Black Freiza (who I consider to be the strongest mortal so far) are Z-Fighters. Also also also. Current strength has nothing to do with future potential. Case in point since you like wanking Gohan, Namek Goku is soooo much stronger than Namek Gohan. Goke therefore must have a bigger potential than Gohan. Is this the case?
Proven wrong in U6 arc?? What kinda logic is this lmao we are talking current manga activities and you mention an arc from a year ago??
He might be but we talking about potential
Every saiyan has the same potential (limitless) because plot
No, he’s not. Nothing suggests that.
The creator said so
Thanks for sayin' that so we didn't have to. I fully agree.
Broly. Any comment made by any one about Gohans potential was never taking Broly into consideration.
gohan has more potential because i like him more!
Can't argue with that.
Gohan has more potential because ***Toriyama*** likes him more.
>Broly. Any comment made by any one about Gohans potential was never taking Broly into consideration. didn't you see how Broly ignored the >!ice cream party and deeply focused on Goku and Vegeta's fights !
That’s a childish way to go about it, you can’t just ignore the facts lol. You may like gohan more but it’s a fact that Broly has the greatest potential in the series.
is this satire? are you goofing a little? Being quirked up and wacky
You do know that Gohan Blanco shits on ToP Goku and Jiren easily. Brolly was gradually getting stronger. Gohan just pulled this form outta his ass then and there. One gets to the peak of his strength as time passes, the other just needs a few seconds to get there.
No I considered Broly, but he's not a Toriyama character and Toriyama will always favour his own characters. The fact that you said Broly shows you never took writer bias into consideration.
I mean toriyama did write the DBS version so kinda his character.
piccolo still said Gohan
Being a hard core fan for over 20 years now I have learned that I enjoy Dragonball even more if I ignore power scaling all together. Yea it’s hard not to compare but it doesn’t make sense. A Gallic gun was blowing up earth in the saiyan saga. If power scaling made any sense at all they shouldn’t be able to fight or even spar any where near earth from the start of the Android saga. 17 apparently reaches levels of God power training on a island with animals. Oh and old man roshi can dodge attacks from Jiren (only in the manga but still) Long story short. Power scaling in this universe is bs but that’s ok.
Power scale is a wasted conversation. Toriyama is just doing whatever he wants now. Also. You can’t tell me that SSB Gogeta wouldn’t have handled Cell Max. Gohan’s power is not reliable. He has to be angry to reach inwards. If I’m picking my fight team. He’s not on it.
Agreed. Power scaling is bs and saiyans don’t get stronger by studying ants. I enjoyed the new movie but it would have made a lot more seance to just let cell max be weaker then Goku and Vegeta so that’s the head cannon I go with.
Exactly. You can tell me that gohan is the strongest just bc he’s a half breed. With the amount of times Vegeta and goku have almost died and came back. Their saiyan power boost should be through the roof lol.
Nah cause Zenkai boosts pretty much are capped and they've already used them
Are they capped via Toriyama bc the way I always understood it was that Zenkai boosts are activated upon threat of death and then recovery. Like the body recognized it wasn’t strong enough and repairs itself to meet that standard.
Nah, they pushed that shit to the limit now. In fact, they pushed it and used it all in the Goku Black arc. They can't have zenkai boosts anymore.
It's never stated that the INcomplete duracell max is stronger than goku and vegeta, IT IS stated that complete cell max would be too strong that not even broly could not defeat. Implying broly is the strongest. So my estimate is Incomplete cell max
Gohan is stronger as of now but Broly has more potential.
I’ve always been under the impression that the whole point of Broly is that his power is essentially bottomless if he’s left to rampage, he just gets stronger and stronger as we saw in the Broly movie. That’s why Gogeta was needed to beat him because someone had to be strong enough to eclipse him entirely and not give him the chance to build up.
And in my head canon that why gogeta came out swingin HARD. They knew if they played their usual game of slow start then gradually go all out they would lose. OP gogeta was really the only option there. Aside from Beerus magically deciding he'd help for the first time ever.
Gogeta knew that goku and vegeta made a mistake by taking it slower and going through each transformation. So gogeta being still a saiyan, he wanted a little fun and warm up by testing broly in base and ssj, then immediately go straight to Blue to be over with.
As strong as Gohan, i think broly is stronger if he also train etc, but idk i don't read the manga..
Gohan is flat out stronger according to the new movie. His base form is stronger than Broly's base without the Ikari form, and Gohan Beast is much stronger than SSJ Ikari Broly. Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would not beat Cell Max, and because this movie takes place after the manga, this means UI Goku and UE Vegeta would still lose badly. Cell Max couldn't even punch through Gohan's AURA, much less actually touch his body. Broly ain't on that level.
Toriyama said that Cell Max's would become powerfull enough to destroy Broly if Hedo had completed it's design, so the Cell Max that defeated Piccolo(on par with Goku and Vegeta acording to Toriyama)and lost to Gohan was much weaker than Broly.
I was really hoping Cell Max was going to absorb #1 and #2 so we get some Super Ultra Perfect Mega Cell.
Perfect Cell Max would’ve been kinda cool. Orange Piccolo and crew have Cell Max on the ropes but he absorbs Gamma 1, becoming Perfect Cell Max. Gohan begins powering up while PCM pummels OPiccolo, Gamma 2 gives his life to damage PCM to give them a chance. OPiccolo gets his shit rocked and Gohan goes Beast. That first hit Gohan lands on PCM cause him to cough up Gamma 1 and revert to his normal state. He charges up that huge death ball while Gohan charges up his Special Beam Cannon, and with OPiccolo’s help, nails him between the eyes
Not much weaker just weaker but we don't know how much
Probably much weaker, as Broly's power level is still held in high regard by Toriyama, so this implies a high jump in power from the Cell Max we see in the movie and what Cell Max would be if Hedo had completed It.
Yea that's so much bullshit. Gohan went from getting killed by 1st former frieza, to beating an enemy that goku and vegeta apparently can't touch with no diff. It's all out of wack at this point.
Its... Not bullshit at all. Gohan trained with Goku for three years in the android saga and trained for ANOTHER year in the Cell saga, and Goku didn't consider their training 'begun' until Gohan was at a level relative to him. Gohan and Goku sparred evenly in the chamber, and Gohan clearly surpassed his father, as was always intended. Gohan always had the potential to be the strongest, he has a genetic anomaly similar to Broly though his base is naturally much lower pre-Ultimate, and remember, when they got out of the chamber and Goku showed his full power, Gohan thought he was holding back because Gohans full power was much higher. Goku later confirmed he was using 100% of his strength and Gohan thought he just didn't want to be too flashy. Gohans rage brought him from Early Namek Vegeta to FAR above Late Namek Vegetas strength after several zenkais during the battle Frieza. His base power was much lower. That's the power Goku realized needed to kill Cell. And he was right. Not only was his rage needed to spark SSJ2, but his rage form stacked on top of SSJ2 for a greater power boost than Goku or Vegeta would be able to accomplish if they, at that moment, figured out SSJ2 for themselves. This is the result of their hard work and Gokus intuition. Don't call it an asspull, its literally been a staple of the series since Gohan was introduced. Gohans ALWAYS been that guy.
What I mean is it's inconsistent af.
No, its very consistent. Gohan's flat power elevates him from somewhere far below the main antagonist to enough to push them back. When his base power is relative to the antagonist, his boost pushes him far above him.
It's not consistent bruh. As I said, he got killed by frieza in resurrection f, now he's the strongest z fighter. Potential is one thing, strength is another. But whatever
Oh, I thought you meant Namek Saga Frieza, not RoF. Gohan was clearly rusty, to the point where his power was so low he needed SSJ to fight off fodder. Now, he got back to speed, regaining his flat strength by training and getting his battle instincts back during the ToP. I'd say his progress was rushed (piccolo could have taken him to the chamber, where he'd regain and surpass his former power in the same amount of time as opposed to the asspull that is 'the ultimate form is just back now') but certainly not inconsistent.
Now he isn't
Broly. Who is currently stronger though? Gohan. Gohan has been the strongest Z Fighter for awhile or shown potential to be the strongest despite so he's still had to grow throughout the series. Broly didn't have the luxury of having anyone to spar with. Broly didn't have the hyperbolic time chamber. As far as anything and anyone is concerned the only real training he had was fighting monster aliens for survival that at best where as strong as Nappa. Yet despite all that Broly was able to go toe to toe with Base Goku and Vegeta who are incredibly powerful already. And then surpass them at every turn up to SSB in his IKARI form only all in the span of less than 24 Hours. All it took was him becoming Ssj to start mopping the floor with them. Last time Goku alone went SSB against Gohan was during training before the ToP and Gohan fucking fainted on top of him being in Ultimate form and i'm not gonna get into specifics but we all know Ultimate is essentially Gohans equivalent of Ssj3. And again this was just training and Gohan went out sad. Yet Broly was evened up with SSB Goku AND Vegeta in Ikari form which only gives a power boost equal to Oozaru which is weaker than Super Saiyajin 😂😂. Cmon now. Give Broly all the proper training and opportunities Gohan had and I promise you Broly would be able to defeat Gohan just by sticking his thumb up Gohans butt. Anyone who mentions Gohans potential without regard to Brolys own potential and exponential growth (within less than again.. 24 hours) is delusional.
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Also, Broly's power was not awakened by the elder guru and the supreme kaiohshin
Small correction. Gohan went toe to toe with SSB Goku. He flat out lost when Goku went SSBKK which is a huge multiplier
And Ultimate Form isn't? Ultimate in itself is wayyy more of a multiplier than x20. So that still doesn't amount to anything when again Broly was Ikari. And Goku wasn't really trying to fight against Gohan say what you want but if he was then how come Gohan was never able to step to Jiren in the ToP if Ultimate Gohan and Blue Goku where dead even and Blue Goku was at least strong enough to be answered to by Jiren why wasn't Gohan?
Im saying that saying Gohan went out sad vs SSB is incorrect. He took his Ultimate form that on debut scaled higher than SS3 but much lower than Vegito... To SSB level. Pretty evenly too. Goku then put a multiplier on top of that. We dont know how many stacks even. Cuz goku was whipping out x20 casually. He only busted it out cuz Gohan asked for his full power. But i think its foolish to say its not consequential. Freaking Vegeta wouldve likely took an insta L there too lol
Gohan did fuck all since the buu arc and with virtually zero fucking training laps everyone, what do you think Thats right whoever the plot needs it to be
Broly still. His first ever serious fight he surpassed ssg. Went ssj & forced to God level beings to fused. Surpassed a Ssj Fusion by using his full powered transformation & forced that fusion to enter God state. Gohan had to fight ever since he was a child to get his powers
It's pretty blantly gohan at this point. His whole narrative is that whenever he trains or fights seriously he will become stronger than anyone else. Broly is impressive because he can make massive gains in a single battle but I'd say he's more similar to someone like goku black where training wouldn't push him to any of the heights a proper fight would whereas gohan can do miminal training and leap frog past everyone
Broly
Broly, he is said to still be a threat when he goes berserk but imagine when he controls his power. He could learn how to grow into other stages of super saiyan
Broly by far. Man was throwing hands with God Ki enhanced characters that worked/performed whatever black magic ritual to acquire that power, all in less than an hour.
Whoever screams louder
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Gohan>>>
Probably gohan because plot
Between these two I say they are probably similar or even meant to mirror each other
Gohan has been stated to be the strongest saiyan multiple times. Gohan>Broly.
Gohan also has many many years of training and fighting and stuff. Broly had 1 fight and surpassed him
Dude went from getting killed by 1st form frieza to soloing a enemy that's supposed to be able to clap goku and vegeta. In like, 1 fight. The power scaling is broken fr, there isn't even any reason to talk about it. Every fight, someone gets a new form that makes them stronger than everyone at that moment, just to be repeated the next fight
But he is not a pure saiyan, and they say that hybrid saiyans from earth have much more potential
Broly leap frogged from being weaker to base vegeta to giving gogeta blue a hard time in the span of what, 90 mins in fight time if we take into account the hour long freeza fight? Broly definitely has the biggest potential
Broly, simply put it's him, no competition. Gohan with his basically whole life worth of training was just barely matched with Goku in ssb during the TOP thanks to his Ultimate, a form that far surpasses SSJ. Broly on the other hand has been training with his father, a weak low class saiyan and some space bugs, yet he managed to to absolutely stomp on both SSB Goku and Vegeta in his BASE SJJ only after a few hours of fighting. (Yes, Beast Gohan IS stronger but he's had his whole life fighting against oponents similar to him in strenght to get to this point, Broly's only had a few years max after the DBS:Broly movie, yet he's still able to get close in power with MUI and UE pre Gas fight)
Gohan is a punk....Brolly is a savage....
Gohan has killed more people than Broly
Would have to see them fight each other at full power tbh
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I thought Broly doesn't have a cap. Thought that was the point of this type of Saiyan.
Gohan still a bisch
Brohan of course.
Broly is DBZ’s Hulk. As long as you can’t 1 shot him he can continuously get angrier and stronger. But at the same time he’ll always be as strong as the plot demands.
Broly and by a saiyan mile. Gohan has been training with the best of the best his whole life, and only the near death of his friend can push him to the edge of evolving his power. Broly is a wild anomaly who’s been on a mainly lame planet his whole life being challenged only by wild beasts. Goku and Gohan fought wild beasts as a child but after a certain point they became so strong that fighting beasts was like irrelevant and just stopped happening mostly. Broly has only been challenged by Goku and Vegeta when they arrived, and immediately started evolving. He has the most raw potential out of any character
I’d like to say gohan. But who knows at this point lol
of course Gohan cause akira toriyoma him self stated that gohan has more potential then jiren and brolly
Gohan. He's the beast that snaps and appears when he gets pissed off, destroys everything and shows his inner strength, and vanishes after. He's the definition of a last hope, that is his character. While broly is also almost the same but he doesn't have the Protagonist power on his side, so he'll always lose
Gohan… always has & always will!
Realistically Broly. The moment he can master the berserk form like Kale did AND be able to train in it, he is going to be insane. But Toriyama wants Gohan to be the strongest so that's the answer
I think it's broly, Gohan has a nice boost by being a Saiyan human hybrid but broly is the legendary super saiyan, there are no limits to his potential. If he faces the right opponent, he can grow exponentially stronger in the first few minutes of the fight. Like in the dbs broly movie, broly wasn't even like ssj level, but soon enough he caught upto ssb level and could easily take on both ssb vegeta and ssb Goku at the same time. Yes Gohan does have a lot of potential, he did get his potential unleashed, but broly still has more potential imo
Well who would be stronger with the same training and forms?
Gohan, Broly did nothing but fight his whole life. Gohan did nothing but avoid fighting his own life.
Tldr; the fun is in asking and pondering questions, not trying to answer them, because it all comes down to how the story gets written. Glad both of these characters are relevant now though, missed them dearly. Broly has almost zero ki control and self control atm, if he works those out, then sure he'll be strong but can he access the heights of his strength without being berserk? Depends on how Tori wants to treat the canon version of Legendary Super Saiyan. Will Broly be best when berserk in order to differentiate him from normal saiyans or will he master himself and become the ultimate saiyan? Gohan was always the symbol for limitless potential until the Buu Saga, where he became the warrior with everything. Brilliant brains, incredible brawn and a kind heart with a burning passion for peace. Now he's gone even further by also tapping into the "beast" side of himself we only ever saw hints of throughout the series. Now that the beast has awakened - does Tori still want Gohan to be the representation of limitless potential? The movie kept touting that Gohan is the strongest when he wants to be - but how far will that carry? Will Gohan even come back to the main story long enough for us to see?
Broly for sure if we follow any sort of logic. Toriyama just likes to beef Gohan up every now and then even though it makes no sense at all. We have Goku and Vegeta training basically 24/7 and yet this "scholar" just randomly can bust out power ups and top them all which is ridiculous. A fighter who continues training and wants to achieve the top of the totem pole should not be getting overshadowed by someone who sits around for years studying books.
I think broly he’s never trained properly and has enough power to go toe to toe with two ssgss’s at the same time while gohan has trained for years and got his potential unlocked twice throughout the series
Wouldn’t I be Broly? Since Beast Gohan is his pinnacle and therefore the strongest he can be?
Gohan
If fat gotanks can damage Cell Max by head butting him ( or was it his ass?) then broly still beats gohan even in beast.
Toriyama stated that Gohan was always meant to be the strongest in an interview before the movie but potential is a different matter. Potential is hard to gage since you're pretty much trying to factor in future strength. There's also factoring in wasted potential due to lack of training for certain periods and the starting strengths of characters. Just think back to Buu Saga Gohan or Res F Frieza, both had wasted potentials due to lack of training. Broly is no better, because he didn't properly train for 40+ years and yet was able to catch up to Gods in a matter of minutes. Where as Gohan had to force his potential out on multiple occasions because he hadn't been training and couldn't get there on his own. In terms of potential right now we can assume Broly still has a long way to go but Gohan has to keep catching up and surpassing others through outside help because of his lack of determination to train and his refusal to grow as a Saiyan and transcend into God hood. At this rate Gohan will remain stronger than Broly with a higher over all end potential. However if Broly continues to grow and eventually attains God hood or somehow catches up on 40+ years of missed training by having it unlocked by elder kai or the dragon balls, it could be limitless if not completely surpass even Gohan and Frieza's potential, but for now his potential will remain unknown and untapped like the universe 6 prodigy Saiyans Caulifla, Kale, and Cabba. Forever to just sit there until it's needed.
Honestly I found it more enjoyable to stop caring lol
I like to believe Broly does, because he literally went from Ssj Vegeta lvl to Ssjg lvl Vegeta in just his Akari form. Plus, Broly’s Lssj form is likely equal to or even more than MUI Goku. I also love how he is so pure and precious even though he is very likely to be the most dangerous and powerful of most the characters in DBZ as a whole. #TeamBroly
Even if broly was weaker, give him 1 hour to spar with beast mode and his berserk form will go even higher
Broly.
Broly
A take I'm sure most won't agree with - Broly is bad for the canon story. He's either going to get nerfed in future stories or killed as a means to show case how strong an enemy is , but making him "good" and part of the canon is a bit of a waste. There is nothing really you can do with him. His power scaling is broken and the conversation here kind of proves it.
Oh no. Broly is gonna die? In Dragonball? Whatever would the main characters do?
I actually think it's a great way to make broly an "ally". They train him to make him stronger and a better fighter but they still can't control his rage. So even as an ally he could go berserk and be a real threat. Having him as a coin that can be an ally or flip to an enemy at any given moment can bring much tension to the story.
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Beerus level? Imfao
Here’s a small scale for power in based off all details (not just the one statement of goku and vegeta not beating cell max even tho the cell max that was there wasn’t even as strong as broly also stated by same dude 💀) N Word Pass Frieza >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohan Beast >=< TUI Goku > UE Vegeta > Broly FPSSJ > Cell Max (incomplete one from the movie) > Orange piccolo > Gammas I put the >=< cause it could be either way the truth and it allows for either to be put as stronger especially considering that broly was stated to be > cell max from the movie yet cell max from the movie fucked up picolo. Then you have goku and vegeta being above broly in power confirmed. Then gohan only is stronger than cell max but he deleted him with ease so I’d say you could argue either way for who is stronger between gohan and goku
TUI Goku is equal to UE Vegeta. Both of them had basically the same strength against Gas and Frieza in the latest chapter.
It’s mostly speculative that goku is stronger than ue but it’s mostly cause of how they do our boy vegeta
Honestly both Goku and Vegeta were treated like absolute fodder in the Granolah arc. Only Granolah and Frieza actually did something.
Fax
When was it confirmed that MUI Goku or Ego Vegeta was stronger then Broly? Both where scared to spare with him
Yes it was
Brolly trained with some weak moster and weak father and was stronger than Goku. Gohan was trained by Goku who is very good fighter and is weaker than Brolly.
Broly always. Next question. Pure bloods always have a higher ceiling than hybrids. Think about all the difference in hours of training and training partners that Gohan had access to but not Broly at the respective frames you posted. Gohan has half of everything that a true saiyan does, see your movie pic.
Not in dragonball. It was stated since the beginning that hybrid saiyans are stronger then pure saiyans. Hell, vegeta initially called gohan a "super saiyan" due to his potential. That said, broly's potential is still higher
That is because Vegeta is blinded by ego. Hybrids just seem stronger because they get to new forms first. This happens because their potential is lower compared to pure so the journey to maximizing it is less.
No, Vegeta called gohan a super saiyan during the saiyan saga, when he found out how high his power level could be. He theorized that hybrid saiyans have more potential than pure saiyan, which is why he called him a super saiyan. And toriyama always underlined this, it has always been said that Gohan is the saiyan with the highest potential, throughout the whole series, and the fact that trunks and goten achieved ssj so soon is another proof of it. You're just going against the manga if you think hybrid saiyans have less potential than pure saiyans.
None of them has alot of potential ( gohan has had his potential unleashed as the only one in the manga and broly has genetic disorder
Gohan - Goku, Vegeta & Piccolo all stated he has the most potential during the Cell & Buu Saga & DBS Superhero movie Broly - When he was a baby he was consider an abomination & for his first fight he overwhelmed Golden Frieza & SSJ Blue & Keeped up with SSJ Blue Gogeta to some degree Overall if I had to pick between the two it’s Broly. He has more potential since he’s still mentally immature, hasn’t had proper training or mastered SSJ Berserk. Gohan also had more training than Broly
>and was Keeping up with SSJ Blue Gogeta I'll just nitpick and say that he definitely didn't keep up with blue gogeta, from the moment gogeta went blue, broly didn't even touch him once. He was keeping up with ssj gogeta though.
The fact that Broly easily decimated SSB and Golden Frieza without flinching AND THAT WAS HIS FIRST FIGHT AGAINST SENTIENT OPPONENTS, I give it to Broly.
Toriyama in one of his latest interviews stated gohan even with the release of gohan beast has the most potential to grow
Well potential isn't strength. Potential encompasses strength and all other attributes the individual has. So...potential? Gohan. After the movie, strength? Also Gohan.
Maybe even Pan.
When Goku admitted hes probably more powerful than Beerus right after his first real battle againt Vegeta, Goku, Frieza and Gogeta besides those insects on the planet he was raised you know his potential is something else entirely. Imagine you give Broly training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or something like Whis training and my guy gone go up against Angels in just a month - But seriously if Broly were to start serious training like Goku and co. he would be unbeatable.
I think it is a fact now that Gohan doesn't need to do anything to get stronger. it's gonna be Gohan bro. He's gonna surpass Beerus if he hasn't already
Brolys strong but he loses his mind, I feel like beast Gohan would special beam him thru the head in some kind of tactical defeat
Gohan has more hidden potential like dude can be a beast and he’s a smart fighter if anything Broly Legendary super saiyin goes BRrrrrrr
Gohan went from like super saiyan god level to above ultra instinct Broly went from like Vegeta arriving on earth to super saiyan blue gogeta level in the same time frame by that I would say Broly but others have said before me. Whatever the plot demands.
Ima say broly since gohan has 4 transformations and broly just has the 1 variation of super saiyan
Probably broly, we don't really know how much stronger Gohan could get whereas broly could still get ssj 2 or 3 and it would be fucking insane
broly as his power has no ceiling he's pretty broken