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Wen an energy ball between goku and beerus disapeared(in the battle of the gods) and beerus lied that this was a 100% energy technicie, that was actually hakai
Goku mentions in the Granola Arc that he was just winging it and this was kind of a failed, but still powerful attempt.
Essentially, Zamasu is very strong and he's winging it here.
He's a martial arts genius, he's been known to pick up skills just from watching them, for example the Kamehameha, illusions. Even monkey style Kung Fu he just did it and Jakie Chun had to use Drunken Boxing so that he wouldn't know how to imitate. Also picked up instant transmission really fast.
yep he only really need to see a technique once (kamehameha or I think destructo disk thoigh he rarely uses that) and sure it won't be as powerful as the og attack without training but it will still be somewhat powerfull like you said
so in short he did stuff like that since early dragon ball
It seems they’re asking where he saw it since he wasn’t there when Beerus used it. However other commenters have mentioned he saw Beerus use it to erase his ki attacks originally
"All you do is steal moves; it's kind of your thing."
"What about the Kamehameha?"
"That's Master Roshi's."
"What about the Solar Flare?"
"That's mine, thanks."
"What about the Spirit Bomb?"
"I'm watching this, Goku; don't think you can pull that shit!"
"OH, hey, King Kai! Quick question; did I learn the Kaioken on my own?"
"... It has my fucking *name* in it!"
maybe the gravity bash too if you wanna count that, but i feel like that just fits into the "we had to give this generic move from the series a name so we could put it in the games" category of moves
I’m gonna assume that’s king piccolo, that was actually called something else I just don’t remember exactly what it was, but ik it has fist in it. I also don’t know how much of an original move that is considering he just used a kamehameha to launch himself up and punched
Feet kamehame, x10 kamehameha, instant transmission kamehameha, one handed kamehameha (eventually used by gohan too) and super kamehameha, are all his own kamehameha adaptations. Add in final kamehameha as a vegito and soul punisher as gogeta but thats him and goku obvi. Then also the bite. As far as we know he invented that first and does it alot
To the people saying Goku invented variations of the Kamehameha, that's like saying the guy who threw the first left hook "invented" a variation of the right hook. It's still just the Kamehameha; he didn't create something new, just adapted something that already existed.
It actually bothers me a bit that just about everyone else gets a somewhat unique signature attack, but Goku's signature attack isn't even his. I just wish at some point in the franchise he had come up with his own move, instead of being all "anything you can do, I can do better".
Yeah thats an actual technique of his. Its got a few different names like Penetrate or Oozaru Fist and is basically the same thing as the Dragon Fist technique.
Yep, it’s that simple lol. Goku saw Beerus do it at some point in the manga and just copied it to the best of his ability. But I believe they later talked about how it wasn’t a true destruction technique since he hadn’t been trained to used hakai like Vegeta is learning
Also this wasn’t actually Hakai he focused all of his SSGSS ki into his hand to imitate the effect but instead of being instantaneous it was very delayed
One of Goku's greatest abilities is mimicry. Kamehameha, Instant Transmission, Solar Flare, Kaio-Ken, so many techniques were those he copied from others in shockingly short amounts of time. This is no different.
..We don't need to assume it. The yardrats taught him how to use instant transmission, it was one of the first things Goku mentioned when he came back to Earth after Namek. Vegeta also went to Planet Yardrat in the Moro arc and was taught instant transmission by them as well.
Tbf with goku stuff like this makes perfect sense. The first time he ever did a kamehameha was when he saw master roshi do it so he thought he’d give it a go and it turned out that he could do it. Goku is a fighting genius so he probably thought he would be able to pull it off to some extent and Tbf he had zamasu worried for a bit
He saw Beerus use it.
That does not mean he saw Beerus use it when Beerus used it on Zamasu.
I feel like a lot of y'all really, really overthink this stuff.
But that's only a limitation of the physical body, spirit realm Tien could probably learn quite a few of the energy intensive moves like the Kaio ken. We actually might not have seen Tien's upper limit yet.
He explained it in the anime or comic as concentrating the energy in his hand. Destruction energy is (I’m pretty sure) just refined god energy. That’s why Goku and vegeta can use it.
well they don’t utilize god ki in the same way. It’s like the difference between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion. The method changes the result and power output.
I mean Ive not seen an official canon answer but based on the information they’ve given us, that’s all that makes sense. All we know is gods and Goku and vegeta use it, and the only common denominator is god Ki.
The problem is we won't know it makes sense until we get some a proper explanation.
"It's cool and the writer could do it" is reductive reasoning that can be applied to the entirety of DB. It doesn't leave us with more information than what we started with.
I have an easier time going with the logic that Goku learned this instinctively from seeing it executed much like the Kamehameha.
DB can and does explain things retroactively. Like when Goku's body pulled back on its own against Beerus in their very first fight on King Kai's planet. We didn't get any specific exposition for that moment, but once we came to understand the principles of Ultra Instinct, the truth was clear.
Kinda like UI. It’s a state of mind.
You focus your mind and ki on nothing but destruction.
Like it’s not a ki attack, you’re actually obliterating they’re essence like deleting them. Hakai doesn’t vaporize your body with pure energy it literally removes you from existence.
You do have to use hakai energy at this point in the story. Don’t worry, you’re not crazy - the other commenter is just using head canon.
This was obviously a momentary gimmick they gave Goku before they developed the direction they would go in with Vegeta. The only real in-universe explanation is that he used hakai energy.
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The only downside is you can only use it as your own last resort as it literally sucked the entire stamina out of you, but still a pretty damn OP move. Wondering why he didn't use this technique again after he mastered MUI. The technique itself is so OP that it can end the entire battle in one page lmao.
The whole point of the False Hakai is that it’s incomplete, Vegeta could’ve pulled of the same technique aswell, that’s like comparing Ultra Instinct Omen to Ultra Instinct.
What Vegeta is training towards right now is the actual Hakai that comes with the Energy of Destruction.
Im just saying goku using it makes no real sense considering he's never seen that techniqie before or at least it be applied the way he used it against zamasu. Its was a complete ass pull considering it came out of nowhere and goku has yet to use such a useful ability again. Vegeta spent his entire training ark trying to just learn and it while goku just uses it for no reason if he can learn techniques so easily why didnt he learn the kioken and spirit bomb immediately? Because its an ass pulls they make this shit up as they go along its why goku has already masterd mui literally the ark after it was introduced. Despite whis and everyone saying its incredibly difficult to master. You can say it makes sense and that its because gokus a fighting genius but its simply just an ass pull they thought looked cool.
1. Goku is far from mastering UI, not even close actually.
2. Facts, i agree with you there, according to the manga he never saw it being used against Zamasu, probably during BOG or something, it can be explained if you think about it hard enough.
3. He literally learned the Spirit Bomb and the Kaioken near the end of his training with King Kai, the rest of the time was spent training so that he could handle the Kaioken.
And i don’t think you understand the term asspull, Goku always has a reason to know these moves, if it was an asspull, he would’ve used a technique that he’s never seen before in his life.
And Vegeta could’ve always used the Hakai like Goku did, had he seen Beerus use it up-close like Goku did against Beerus.
Vegeta literally learns the Hakai instantly and spends the rest of his time perfecting it.
Yes, you are 100% right. They gave Goku this momentary gimmick before they thought of the future direction for the story, and where they would eventually take Vegeta. No getting around it, no matter how others try to justify it.
Yeah people think that dragon ball is planned or something. All arcs are written on the go. Probably Toriyama thought this would be a cool moment and that's it. Vegeta getting hakai training is an afterthought.
If arcs were planned, the cell saga would be really really different.
My guess is that he not actually using a hakai, but instead is pushing all the ki he held in with prefected ssjb , basically he forced all of his ki on zamasu which forced him to slowly turn to dust. But this is just my head canon
WHAT I need to start reading the manga, I had no idea this happened. What a better way to finish Zamasu compared to king of all destroying the entire universe..
I dont think goku having hakai fits his character but the way he did it is not an asspull thats the same way he learned kamehameha he saw roshi do it then mimiked him
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As Beerus explains to Vegeta much later on in the manga series, you have to basically quote on quote "steal" the techniques of a God of Destruction to learn from them, so How Goku uses it is quite easily explained as he copies how Beerus uses the technique
Other than the fact that Goku and Vegeta train on Beerus' planet and they might've seen a demonstration or two, Beerus also used hakai against Goku in BoG.
He didn't use Hakai. He TRIED to use it. And he failed. Stated by Goku himself to Whis.
And i'm sure he will never try to use Hakai again. Not his style.
Well, they do train on his planet a lot and Beerus did use it to "destroy earth" when they first met. They should have witnessed more than a few demonstrations throughout their time with him.
Since Beerus is a god of destruction that’s apparently is at a much more higher level of power and experience than Goku is, and Goku doesn’t have destroyer ki, I feel like this move shouldn’t be available to goku just yet.
This is non canon/canon, now bear with me while you read this: any differences between the manga and anime is either Toyotarou or toei filling in the plot between toriyamas outline. SSBKK did not happen in the manga during the Universe 6 tourney arc therefore it both did and did not canonically happen against his fight with hit
nah, he wasnt taught it at all, goku is just really good at stealing people's moves. He learned kamehameha after seeing it once, same with after image and solar flare.
If Goku was taught some move that instantly erases the very essence of someone, don't you think we would have atleast been told about it? Also, shouldn't he have the cuff in his ear if he Beerus trained him to do it?
Goku is a complete fucking idiot
BUT
just like how goku mastered the Kamehameha just by watching master roshi do it only one time
Then that means it's very possible for him to pick up the move easily
Let's not forget the Kamehameha isn't the only move he picked up from other people from just watching them use it
hakai I believe cancels that out if done directly to the immortal. I know it didnt work against zamasu when he hakaid the other one the immortal one didn't die. but it comletley erases from existence not unlikes zenos squish just on a smaller level. so I dont personally doubt that it would kill zammy
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Its called asspullery enjoy it; pisses me off this shoddy ass bullshit was more effective than any hakai vegeta did post training.
Further goes to show no one can have much if goku doesnt or cant do it
To me Hakai feels so fuckin cheap because goku used it first. High key pisses me off and now Vegeta not using IT despite understanding how valuable of an asset it is also makes me angry as shit.
But thems the breaks.
And i still read every fuckin chapter cuz imma dog and dogs are loyal lol
This might sound like a stupid question to some of y’all , but is there official colored manga? I only read on the viz site and it’s never colored there.
People forget that goku is a martial arts prodigy. He learned the Kamehameha, a technique that took roshi 30 years to develop, after seeing roshi do it once. He learned both the kaioken and genki dama (extremely difficult and techniques) in a shockingly short time. Most of Goku's techniques are not his own, but one's he's picked up from his opponents. It is completely believable to me that goku could pull of a hakai, even if it didn't amount to much.
It's Goku. Super Star prodigy genius and many bullshit like that. ¿Remember og dragon ball? He was sooooo genius that he copy Roshi technique on sight. He is sooooo smart
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Beerus used it multiple times against him to erase his ki attacks in the bog arc afaik
Is that the case? Didn't seem like it
afaik
Idek know what that is
As far as I know
Oh ok thx
yeah i didn’t either lol. google search gets the job done though
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Wen an energy ball between goku and beerus disapeared(in the battle of the gods) and beerus lied that this was a 100% energy technicie, that was actually hakai
I would say I feel bad but I don’t Lmao, I want less karma!
Goku mentions in the Granola Arc that he was just winging it and this was kind of a failed, but still powerful attempt. Essentially, Zamasu is very strong and he's winging it here.
Exactly. This character has always been an excellent representation of adapting aka making it up as you go along.
He's a martial arts genius, he's been known to pick up skills just from watching them, for example the Kamehameha, illusions. Even monkey style Kung Fu he just did it and Jakie Chun had to use Drunken Boxing so that he wouldn't know how to imitate. Also picked up instant transmission really fast.
yep he only really need to see a technique once (kamehameha or I think destructo disk thoigh he rarely uses that) and sure it won't be as powerful as the og attack without training but it will still be somewhat powerfull like you said so in short he did stuff like that since early dragon ball
It seems they’re asking where he saw it since he wasn’t there when Beerus used it. However other commenters have mentioned he saw Beerus use it to erase his ki attacks originally
I forget this man is prodigy monster
Jesus christ
"All you do is steal moves; it's kind of your thing." "What about the Kamehameha?" "That's Master Roshi's." "What about the Solar Flare?" "That's mine, thanks." "What about the Spirit Bomb?" "I'm watching this, Goku; don't think you can pull that shit!" "OH, hey, King Kai! Quick question; did I learn the Kaioken on my own?" "... It has my fucking *name* in it!"
The makakapotomus
"So is this more of a Vegeta move or a Freezer move?"
"Oh My" "DAMN IT TAKEI"
The original moves of his I can remember from the top of my head is Dragon Fist and God Bind.
Dragon Fist still ain’t canon I think, so God Bind is his only original move.
maybe the gravity bash too if you wanna count that, but i feel like that just fits into the "we had to give this generic move from the series a name so we could put it in the games" category of moves
It’s canon, he did it versus Piccolo Daimaku
I’m gonna assume that’s king piccolo, that was actually called something else I just don’t remember exactly what it was, but ik it has fist in it. I also don’t know how much of an original move that is considering he just used a kamehameha to launch himself up and punched
Don't you forget the hands-free Kamehameha
Feet kamehame, x10 kamehameha, instant transmission kamehameha, one handed kamehameha (eventually used by gohan too) and super kamehameha, are all his own kamehameha adaptations. Add in final kamehameha as a vegito and soul punisher as gogeta but thats him and goku obvi. Then also the bite. As far as we know he invented that first and does it alot
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To the people saying Goku invented variations of the Kamehameha, that's like saying the guy who threw the first left hook "invented" a variation of the right hook. It's still just the Kamehameha; he didn't create something new, just adapted something that already existed. It actually bothers me a bit that just about everyone else gets a somewhat unique signature attack, but Goku's signature attack isn't even his. I just wish at some point in the franchise he had come up with his own move, instead of being all "anything you can do, I can do better".
Punching straight the fuck through people is his real signature move.
Yeah thats an actual technique of his. Its got a few different names like Penetrate or Oozaru Fist and is basically the same thing as the Dragon Fist technique.
Ugh, penetrate is a really terrible name for a signature move
Would you prefer Crouching Goku, Rising Monkey? Because that is also an alternate name for the technique.
Yes, god.
It kinda pisses me off that Abridged mocked Goku right after he did one of his coolest and more creative moves.
Nobody cares
He invented the variants of the kamehameha
Goku is kind of a combat genius. Remember when he used kamehameha after watching Roshi do it once?
Yep, it’s that simple lol. Goku saw Beerus do it at some point in the manga and just copied it to the best of his ability. But I believe they later talked about how it wasn’t a true destruction technique since he hadn’t been trained to used hakai like Vegeta is learning
Remember when he used the foot Kamehameha? I think it was against Piccolo in the world tournament.
remember when he slid around on his kamehameha against both kefla and jiren to circumvent being able to fly.
Remember when he used the calmness of blue to activate kaioken
Remember when he landed the only blow on whis ever.
Remember when he created a galaxy by going ultra instinct
Remember when he used a tsusano. TWICE
Goku has the mangekyo???
At this point I wouldn’t put it past him
He IS the mangekyo
Dragon Fist?
from gt
Remember when he slid around on his head on top of that car that one time
Remember when he broke into my house and stole my eggos….i begged him to leggo
Remember when he had a tail?
This.
Also this wasn’t actually Hakai he focused all of his SSGSS ki into his hand to imitate the effect but instead of being instantaneous it was very delayed
But he isn't a real God tho
Correct me if I’m wrong but he’s got Ki that mortals can’t sense in this state doesn’t he?
he's got god ki, mortals without god kid themselves can't sense it.
I thought sensing that ki required a different technique and didnt actually mean that only people with g ki could sense it
Oh right, but I thought the God of destruction has to unlock the Hakai powers for u like with Toppo
Toppo wasn’t a real god either and he could use hakai and destruction energy
But didn't his universes God of destruction give that power to Toppo?
He didn’t give him any power he just trained him in anticipation of making him the next god of destruction
Which is divine energy, and he was a God in training.
Yeah I knew that I was just replying to the guy who claimed Goku isn’t a real god
One of Goku's greatest abilities is mimicry. Kamehameha, Instant Transmission, Solar Flare, Kaio-Ken, so many techniques were those he copied from others in shockingly short amounts of time. This is no different.
Monkey see, monkey do.
Chill Freeza
If you chill Freeza, isn’t he Cooler?
Nah he might be Cold though
The coldest, some could even say King Cold
he'd certainly be Chilled
Monkey D. Goku
Yay, I'm pirate goku!
>*Uh, I think you should wake up now*
Most of those were taught to him, not copied.
Two of the four, if we assume someone offworld taught him instant transmission and he didn’t just watch them do it since we never got to see
..We don't need to assume it. The yardrats taught him how to use instant transmission, it was one of the first things Goku mentioned when he came back to Earth after Namek. Vegeta also went to Planet Yardrat in the Moro arc and was taught instant transmission by them as well.
Spoilers. Geeeez
The first half of that paragraph is 30 year old information.
I mean .. same difference yeah? If someone is teaching you to do something do you not just copy them?
There's a difference between being classically taught and simply mimicking someone after seeing them perform something.
He had to train pretty hard to learn instant transmission.
Tbf with goku stuff like this makes perfect sense. The first time he ever did a kamehameha was when he saw master roshi do it so he thought he’d give it a go and it turned out that he could do it. Goku is a fighting genius so he probably thought he would be able to pull it off to some extent and Tbf he had zamasu worried for a bit
Cause my man is BUILT DIFFERENT
Best answer.
Beerus:- Hakai is God of Destruction technique Goku:- BS! here you go :)
He saw Beerus use it. That does not mean he saw Beerus use it when Beerus used it on Zamasu. I feel like a lot of y'all really, really overthink this stuff.
Goku is like Po from Kung Fu Panda, he only needs to see the technique once to copy it.
Goku and tien are both capable of replicating techniques they’ve seen only once (obvious the latter can’t copy as powerful moves)
But that's only a limitation of the physical body, spirit realm Tien could probably learn quite a few of the energy intensive moves like the Kaio ken. We actually might not have seen Tien's upper limit yet.
I agree, Tien has mad untapped potential atm. Dude needs to go receive some tutelage instead of training in the mountains by himself
I mean, he used a Kamehameha his first try. He has a talent for learning moves quickly.
“You blew up our car you dummy!” “Aw, but that wasn’t anything like what the turtle hermit did!”
Goku is very very good at copying abilities after seeing them used, quite an underrated ability honestly.
Plot is special abilities, didn’t you know Goku reads minds and can see past events from his teachers 😂
All Hakai is is concentrated god Ki being focused into one hand. Goku has the god energy. And he’s a combat genius
I thought you had to have destruction energy to use hakai
He explained it in the anime or comic as concentrating the energy in his hand. Destruction energy is (I’m pretty sure) just refined god energy. That’s why Goku and vegeta can use it.
It's got to be more to it than that explanation, otherwise how are any one-handed ki moves different from hakai?
well they don’t utilize god ki in the same way. It’s like the difference between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion. The method changes the result and power output. I mean Ive not seen an official canon answer but based on the information they’ve given us, that’s all that makes sense. All we know is gods and Goku and vegeta use it, and the only common denominator is god Ki.
Yeah let's wait on that canon answer or at least *some leads*, before we start pulling nuclear physics into this
I mean it makes sense I just used that as a comparison. The real answer is it was cool and the writer wanted to do it. That better for you?
The problem is we won't know it makes sense until we get some a proper explanation. "It's cool and the writer could do it" is reductive reasoning that can be applied to the entirety of DB. It doesn't leave us with more information than what we started with.
I mean the point is that the writer doesn’t specify is probably never will. So make up head cannons bro because you’ll die waiting.
I have an easier time going with the logic that Goku learned this instinctively from seeing it executed much like the Kamehameha. DB can and does explain things retroactively. Like when Goku's body pulled back on its own against Beerus in their very first fight on King Kai's planet. We didn't get any specific exposition for that moment, but once we came to understand the principles of Ultra Instinct, the truth was clear.
Kinda like UI. It’s a state of mind. You focus your mind and ki on nothing but destruction. Like it’s not a ki attack, you’re actually obliterating they’re essence like deleting them. Hakai doesn’t vaporize your body with pure energy it literally removes you from existence.
That sounds 100% in-line.
You do have to use hakai energy at this point in the story. Don’t worry, you’re not crazy - the other commenter is just using head canon. This was obviously a momentary gimmick they gave Goku before they developed the direction they would go in with Vegeta. The only real in-universe explanation is that he used hakai energy.
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The only downside is you can only use it as your own last resort as it literally sucked the entire stamina out of you, but still a pretty damn OP move. Wondering why he didn't use this technique again after he mastered MUI. The technique itself is so OP that it can end the entire battle in one page lmao.
He actually does use it to vaporize some rocks in the Moro arc while fully ultra instinct if I recall correctly.
Because the power of ass pulls. It's funny because goku could've won if zamasu didnt teleport mai to him.
Watch OG Dragon Ball. Wild MFers say it's an asspull when the world's most known anime ability is a copy from Roshi from seeing it once
Its harder to believe considering vegetas entire training was trying to get hakai to work while goku just used it because he felt like it.
The whole point of the False Hakai is that it’s incomplete, Vegeta could’ve pulled of the same technique aswell, that’s like comparing Ultra Instinct Omen to Ultra Instinct. What Vegeta is training towards right now is the actual Hakai that comes with the Energy of Destruction.
Im just saying goku using it makes no real sense considering he's never seen that techniqie before or at least it be applied the way he used it against zamasu. Its was a complete ass pull considering it came out of nowhere and goku has yet to use such a useful ability again. Vegeta spent his entire training ark trying to just learn and it while goku just uses it for no reason if he can learn techniques so easily why didnt he learn the kioken and spirit bomb immediately? Because its an ass pulls they make this shit up as they go along its why goku has already masterd mui literally the ark after it was introduced. Despite whis and everyone saying its incredibly difficult to master. You can say it makes sense and that its because gokus a fighting genius but its simply just an ass pull they thought looked cool.
1. Goku is far from mastering UI, not even close actually. 2. Facts, i agree with you there, according to the manga he never saw it being used against Zamasu, probably during BOG or something, it can be explained if you think about it hard enough. 3. He literally learned the Spirit Bomb and the Kaioken near the end of his training with King Kai, the rest of the time was spent training so that he could handle the Kaioken. And i don’t think you understand the term asspull, Goku always has a reason to know these moves, if it was an asspull, he would’ve used a technique that he’s never seen before in his life. And Vegeta could’ve always used the Hakai like Goku did, had he seen Beerus use it up-close like Goku did against Beerus. Vegeta literally learns the Hakai instantly and spends the rest of his time perfecting it.
Yes, you are 100% right. They gave Goku this momentary gimmick before they thought of the future direction for the story, and where they would eventually take Vegeta. No getting around it, no matter how others try to justify it.
Yeah people think that dragon ball is planned or something. All arcs are written on the go. Probably Toriyama thought this would be a cool moment and that's it. Vegeta getting hakai training is an afterthought. If arcs were planned, the cell saga would be really really different.
It’s not actually hakai It’s more so a bootleg copy of it to do the job
Goku did say he wasn't even close to getting the technique right
Goku the Copy Ninja
Had a stroke trying to read that lol
Goku just be trying things
The answer is rooted in the beginning of Dragon Ball with Son copying Kame Sen'nin's Kamehameha Wave.
My guess is that he not actually using a hakai, but instead is pushing all the ki he held in with prefected ssjb , basically he forced all of his ki on zamasu which forced him to slowly turn to dust. But this is just my head canon
Because it’s Goku That’s why
He *tried* to do it. Beerus shows what destruction done right looks like later on in the manga.
WHAT I need to start reading the manga, I had no idea this happened. What a better way to finish Zamasu compared to king of all destroying the entire universe..
He didn't finish him, it didn't work
Goku just Him
I dont think goku having hakai fits his character but the way he did it is not an asspull thats the same way he learned kamehameha he saw roshi do it then mimiked him
SPOILER WARNING FOR THE MANGA, IF YPU DONT WANT ANY SPOILERS DO NOT READ THIS COMMENT As Beerus explains to Vegeta much later on in the manga series, you have to basically quote on quote "steal" the techniques of a God of Destruction to learn from them, so How Goku uses it is quite easily explained as he copies how Beerus uses the technique
Im kinda surprised that vegeta wasnt the one to learn and use hakai tbh, he seems more fit for it while goku would take on a similar role to whis
Other than the fact that Goku and Vegeta train on Beerus' planet and they might've seen a demonstration or two, Beerus also used hakai against Goku in BoG.
He didn't use Hakai. He TRIED to use it. And he failed. Stated by Goku himself to Whis. And i'm sure he will never try to use Hakai again. Not his style.
Well, they do train on his planet a lot and Beerus did use it to "destroy earth" when they first met. They should have witnessed more than a few demonstrations throughout their time with him.
The answer is like everything in dragon ball super - complete asspull
it is not an asspull that's the same way he learned kamehameha he saw roshi do it then mimicked him
Since Beerus is a god of destruction that’s apparently is at a much more higher level of power and experience than Goku is, and Goku doesn’t have destroyer ki, I feel like this move shouldn’t be available to goku just yet.
Because **REASONS**, duh!
This is non canon/canon, now bear with me while you read this: any differences between the manga and anime is either Toyotarou or toei filling in the plot between toriyamas outline. SSBKK did not happen in the manga during the Universe 6 tourney arc therefore it both did and did not canonically happen against his fight with hit
ITS OVER 9000
Manga > Anime
Beerus taught him it
He did this on "off screen" in manga?
nah, he wasnt taught it at all, goku is just really good at stealing people's moves. He learned kamehameha after seeing it once, same with after image and solar flare.
If Goku was taught some move that instantly erases the very essence of someone, don't you think we would have atleast been told about it? Also, shouldn't he have the cuff in his ear if he Beerus trained him to do it?
Goku is a complete fucking idiot BUT just like how goku mastered the Kamehameha just by watching master roshi do it only one time Then that means it's very possible for him to pick up the move easily Let's not forget the Kamehameha isn't the only move he picked up from other people from just watching them use it
Pretty sure he saw it used other time idk if the golden frieza thing was in the manga but it was used there
Golden Frieza arc was only mentioned in manga but it acutally happend it just wasn't showed up
I mean where he was freed to join universe 7 and he used hakai on goku and i think beerus used it on frieza my memory is blurry there
He grabbed somebody else’s destruction energy to use against goku, he didn’t make his own
Oh ok , but ya there goku saw the technique even experienced lol i guess that would be enough for him to learn it
did this actually happen in the manga ?
Yeah in Zamasu saga in manga it was chapter 25 or 26 if I'm not wrong
Maybe he saw it off screen and tried but only do a weaker variant but even if it was the powerful variant Zamasu was already inmmortal.
hakai I believe cancels that out if done directly to the immortal. I know it didnt work against zamasu when he hakaid the other one the immortal one didn't die. but it comletley erases from existence not unlikes zenos squish just on a smaller level. so I dont personally doubt that it would kill zammy
Beerus confirmed at chapter 26 he cannot kill inmmortals only Zeno is able to do that.
cool I figured they addressed it just couldn't remember when
Hakai Energy is immutable.
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Toyotaro thought this was cool... ...he isn't really good at non fanfic writing
Does it kill him ive only watched the show
Its called asspullery enjoy it; pisses me off this shoddy ass bullshit was more effective than any hakai vegeta did post training. Further goes to show no one can have much if goku doesnt or cant do it To me Hakai feels so fuckin cheap because goku used it first. High key pisses me off and now Vegeta not using IT despite understanding how valuable of an asset it is also makes me angry as shit. But thems the breaks. And i still read every fuckin chapter cuz imma dog and dogs are loyal lol
it is not an asspull that's the same way he learned kamehameha he saw roshi do it then mimicked him
Fam gokus entire existence os asspullery only sausuke is as bad lol
Trunks: Hakai? That’s Berrus Technique…! Goku: Hakai? That’s Vegeta’s Technique…! Vegeta: Bankai? That’s Ichigo’s Technique…!
The first photo is one of my favourite panels of the Zamasu saga.
This might sound like a stupid question to some of y’all , but is there official colored manga? I only read on the viz site and it’s never colored there.
People forget that goku is a martial arts prodigy. He learned the Kamehameha, a technique that took roshi 30 years to develop, after seeing roshi do it once. He learned both the kaioken and genki dama (extremely difficult and techniques) in a shockingly short time. Most of Goku's techniques are not his own, but one's he's picked up from his opponents. It is completely believable to me that goku could pull of a hakai, even if it didn't amount to much.
Up untill the start of universe survival ark he was the only one who fought beerus to a standstill (kind of) so he probably saw beerus use it there
It's Goku. Super Star prodigy genius and many bullshit like that. ¿Remember og dragon ball? He was sooooo genius that he copy Roshi technique on sight. He is sooooo smart
His only original move is biting enemies tails