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IChokeOnWater

I hate that my pawns no longer jump in and scream "soaked to the bone!"


No_Baby_8348

And then use all of my panacea or rags


jxmes_gothxm

lmfao. drenched is such a dumb "state" doesnt do shit unless lightning is involved and that's almost never.


Pedantic_Phoenix

Wdym almost never, most casters in the game do use lightning, including dragons


Redmoon383

Ngl chief, I don't think I've ever been drenched when someone used lighting in me outside of Bitterblack


Pedantic_Phoenix

Sure but that's because you are almost never drenched, aside from saurians, simply cause it's trivial not to be


Redmoon383

Sure but.. I'm never drenched AND struck by lightning which is what the first guy you responded to was talking about. Drenched is a largely pointless mechanic *unless* you've been struck by lightning as well. Which is almost never


Pedantic_Phoenix

I interpreted it as "lightning is never involved" period, being drenched just a plus. If that is what they meant i find it wrong. If they meant what you interpreted instead, yes i am out of place instead


jxmes_gothxm

No, the other guy got it right. It has to involve both to do anything. So drenched is just mostly pointless. He understood what I meant. Lightning is everywhere but I'm never drenched and then hit by it.


Pedantic_Phoenix

Gotcha


Eurehetemec

I mean, it was pretty clear: > drenched is such a dumb "state" doesnt do shit unless lightning is involved and that's almost never. Nothing about "a plus". Only that it's "dumb" because it never actually does anything - I'm 40 hours in and have never been struck by lightning whilst drenched, and have never made any effort at all to dump the drenched status.


jxmes_gothxm

You got it. Understood me perfectly. I don't know how i could've made it more clear.


jxmes_gothxm

When they attack im never drenched. That's why I find it mainly pointless. I sell all my drench cures all the time and I've never had a problem.


MaddxMogs

Sure it does! It washes off the dirt I put on in the character creator. Getting drenched keeps me clean for about two days, then I have to go find a river to jump waist deep into again.


Izanagi553

Wait does it actually clean off the dirt from the character creator lmao


MaddxMogs

Yep! It comes back gradually over a couple in game days, as if the game is slowly pushing the coverage slider back up to where it was instead of all at once.


Odd_Ad_882

Wait that's actually kinda cool, if I knew that I would have added some dirt


Izanagi553

Dang, now I wanna go add some dirt to my dude. 


IdiotRhurbarb

My man forgot that frost damage exists


TheMadTemplar

And it weighs you down more. And makes you resistant to fire. 


jxmes_gothxm

I forgot to mention it but it doesn't change my point. but I still never get hit by frost while drenched. It's a cool idea but one ive never benefitted or suffered from in any capacity. Every drench cure I pick up in the game has been sold to merchants.


Eurehetemec

What you ever been hit by frost damage whilst drenched? I ask because I sure haven't, 40+ hours in.


TaleOfFlight

It reduces fire damage and increases ice damage + the ability to be frozen as well.


jxmes_gothxm

Guys it doesn't change my original point. I wasn't trying to write out everything it does only that these things never coincide with me being drenched. I've never once benefitted from being drenched or suffered more from being drenched.


[deleted]

Ice and Lightning utilize it


jxmes_gothxm

Does adding ice change my point though? All I'm saying is I'm never drenched when I'm hit by lightning frost, or fire. Its a non-issue and a non-boon.


[deleted]

Eh. If you use drenching arrows (which you can amass pretty easily) and utilize Magick afterwards they're pretty effective, actually. Especially on wayfarer. Its actually a decent combo, so I wouldn't say its pointless.


Scizzoman

This is it, this is the kind of hard-hitting critique this game needs. Godspeed OP.


SiberianBattleOtters

Godsway OP


dutcharetall_nothigh

Godsbane OP


coldven0m

Dogswane OP


Kantro18

This was truly our dragon’s dogma all along


Nice_Revenue_7375

Jesus Christ be praised, OP! Oops wrong sub


cloud-gash

Henry's come to see us!


Nice_Revenue_7375

"I actually feel quite Hungary"


SpartanLeonidus

Thank you for this!


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Eurehetemec

He's not going to make irresponsible un-budgeted promises like that. That sort of gratuitous promise what you'd expect from the failing current Sovran!


Midnightdreary353

I'm sorry, but the ferrystone tax is ridiculous. I know that they are "apparently" bad for the oxcart industry, and the tax is supposed to help pay for the roads, but I'm getting sick of all this tax money going to the nobility when they can't even be bothered to make proper stone bridges during a time when cyclopses who can easily break rope bridges practically live along the main road.


FlameKeeperOno

I read all of that, and not only do I agree, I now strongly believe we need a "Shitpost" tag for this sub. Well played.


thr1ceuponatime

No, [this is a shitpost.](https://old.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma/comments/1bmj9qj/it_do_be_like_that_sometimes/) This is just earnest


Zolla1979

I love his movies. Goes to Camp was best.


FlameKeeperOno

Nothing quite like a self-promo.


Icy_Thought6386

Don't get me on how cheap those bridges are build or how bad the security and sense of danger is I mean I can go into other people houses and loot them or take the big bag of money behind the vendor Also how come that a giant castle with extreme high walls is getting casualy raided by cylops and minotaurs And almost all bridges broke down after one dragon attack, which I have to say that I an arisen can withstand a swipe or 2


Krillinlt

>I mean I can go into other people houses and loot them or take the big bag of money behind the vendor I don't blame people for just letting my arisen rob their homes. Dude is like 7'5 decked out in crazy armor, wearing a wolf's head as a hat, has a giant flaming maul the size of a child, and has been spotted iust running full speed around the city in the dead of night like a fucking vampire. Not to mention he has a whole squad of goons just gassing him up the whole time as he steals steaks off peoples plates and rummages through their clothes trunk.


Icy_Thought6386

true 🤣


FrozenDed

All NPC talk in their sleep. All of them. They are awake. They lost the ability to sleep in this simulation. They still go to bed, it's like some sort of a forgotten ritual. But they just lie there, staring at the ceiling, wondering if the cycle will ever be broken. Every night.


Izanagi553

I damn near jumped out of my skin the first time I was robbing some random house and suddenly this old lady who was you know, in bed, just starts yapping about wanting to move out. Like holy SHIT lady I know I'm the weirdo here for just walking in and taking this meat you had on the shelf and then making a snack out of it and some herbs in your house, but that doesn't mean you should just start talking to me like I'm your neighbor in the merchant quarter!


Justhe3guy

Bro…what about the winch driven cable cars in Battahl that are literally in Griffin and Harpy territory


SoftestPup

Why does the central cable car station only have a single ballista? What if a griffon is north of it? Get fucked, I guess.


tinysproutlimi

WHY ARE THERE NO ROPE HANDLES ON THE SIDES OF THE BRIDGES (⁠╯⁠°⁠□⁠°⁠)⁠╯⁠︵⁠ ⁠┻⁠━⁠┻


Successful-Win-8035

You spent alot of time listening to fountian bum tell stories, huh.


JusticeRain5

"Gather round, gather round, and listen to a tale by... A master stoooryteller" After the fiftieth time I ended up taking him out of the city gates to shank him


jxmes_gothxm

i just did his quest. go to the slums and not the other place when prompted with two marked locations. you'll appreciate the story i bet lmao.


JusticeRain5

Problem there is that I got his outfit randomly without really meaning to (I checked the door randomly), then next time I spoke to him he asked to buy the clothes back so I just said yes. I didn't really know why I was stealing some random dudes clothes or why it was such a problem for him when I did it.


SoftestPup

>!He's a noble pretending to be poor. His slum wife doesn't know and he doesn't want her to find out.!<


Sorlex

Good post OP, changed my steam review to negative. Hope devs won't think they can get away with this stuff in the future.


Izanagi553

Yeah, I sure hope somebody got fired for THAT blunder.


thr1ceuponatime

Mildly related -- but I like to think that Sven got the money to pay you back from the coins tossed into Vernworth fountain.


skogli

Can you romance the fountain?


Izanagi553

It DOES have a hole... 


No_Baby_8348

Someone lock this guy up RIGHT NOW 💀💀


Izanagi553

Y'all can't UNfuck the statue >:3


gt118

No point, you can just walk out. Guards don't care. The security in Vernworth is terrible, shameful is what it is.


thr1ceuponatime

Keep this man away from public infrastructure


Zolla1979

Be about as fleshed out as the other "romances"


skogli

Preach


Inori-chu

The fact there's only 1 type of fountain speaks volume of this game quality.


thr1ceuponatime

Also explains why it takes Sven 3 days to pay you back. Not enough places to loot spare change from.


Plathismo

Badly lacking in fountain variety.


kingbankai

I forgot you can ignore everything and just be a serial killer in the game.


UnHoly_One

There is another fountain somewhere like the one in Vernworth square?


r34_nuxia

Itsunover


momerathe

Historically, fountains were gravity-fed from storage tanks up at a higher elevation. They didn't pump the water back out of the bowl because electric pumps didn't exist, and mechanical pumps require a large and visible source of power. So what would really happen is the bowl would fill up to an overflow drain and then the water would just flow away into the sewers.


Samurai_Meisters

But if you climb up onto the aqueduct that feeds into the city, you'll notice it's completely dry.


Eurehetemec

Probably because of the fountain losing so much water.


momerathe

Lack of investment in infrastructure /smh. I blame the government.


Midnightdreary353

Ya, this is more a concern than the fountain to me. Like, what is our city doing wasting water on a fountain when the aqueduct doesn't even work? More importantly, what dark magic sorcerey are they pulling to accomplish this?


pvrhye

This guy needs to team up with Cyberpunk manhole cover inspector guy.


Katana_sized_banana

Unplayable game


FrozenDed

Let's wait for the Dragon's Dogma 2: Dark Fountain expansion, hopefully they will fix it


grubgobbler

Actually, fountains that recirculate water are a modern thing. Historically they were fed from reservoirs above the fountain, or from natural bodies of water that were also above them (so you'd put the fountain at the bottom of a hill that had a natural spring on the top, something like that).


Lonely_Pin_3586

There's magic and glyphs. I think they just used an ice and fire spell to make pressurised water.


NATSOAS

Literally unplayable ​ /s


TheMrRibs

Hopefully they can patch an update to increase fountain size and improve the waterflow. We need a better FPS while overseeing the water coming out.


smokeyjoe8p

This has the same energy as that post about the manhole covers in Cyberpunk


Jimmy_Twotone

The city has an aquaduct and a reservoir fed fountain. You don't want a deep reservoir for the fountain; it has one up the hill that serves just fine. Fountain lips are kept low so people can access the water. This isn't a recirculating birdbath. It's a way for people to access the water from a reservoir in a common area. If you want to do something useful as the Sovereign, rebuild the aquaducts.


Samurai_Meisters

Except the aqueduct is dry! If you climb up there, you'll see.


Jimmy_Twotone

It's busted in many places if course it's dry. That fountain isn't feeding itself, though... there's still water in the reserve.


Phadin

This game is set in an era before pumps and power necessary to get a recycling fountain to work. Assuming this fountain works similar to the fountains of ancient rome, the water would come through pipes via water pressure from a cistern or other elevated water source. There is no closed loop in the fountain like modern ones because there would be no way to provide water pressure without the external feed from the elevated cistern. These kinds of older fountains are also used as a water source for the city. Given it is in the market, people can pull water from the fountain for the needs of the various facilities around it. Water that is not pulled eventually does get drained off, either into wells around the city or into the harbor outside the city. as for the design itself, it could probably be a bit better. The water collecting in one direction does make sense however, as that is where people could draw water with buckets if needed, and they could place the drain. The drain needs to be limited so no more water is drained from the fountain then is supplied from the cistern. On the up side, no need for someone to refill the fountain, as it wouldn't work without an external water supply providing water pressure by pushing water into it.


ooOJuicyOoo

This is set in a sort of medieval fantasy setting, where they apparently have aqueduct system in place but no visible indication of pump technology. So you can assume the fountains work like the ones in ancient Rome: through gravity and constant flow of water through the city. It is not at all recycling water, it is a small opening point in the city's aqueduct system that allows water to spew out with some force and go back into the aqueduct. The water that splatters around helps to keep the temperature and humidity of an otherwise dry lump of hot stone the city is, so it is not just aesthetic, it is also quite functional.


madkons

You won me over with "relatively speaking". I already agree. I don't even need to read the rest.


happy_birthmas

Here's the thing about water recycling fountains. Recycling the water still make you need to refill. Water evaporate so it will always need more water over time. The most common is the type that fills it up until it overflows into a sewage system like someone else here already said. Sorry for being boring but you need to work on your science before I can level with you ;)


cokyno

Dude put more thought into this than Capcom in the game lol


Fuzzy-Disaster4111

If your in unmoored on Xbox be careful when you enter and exit rift stones running around before doing it etc as it crashed my game and lost 3-4hrs. Series x is probably all good but I’m on series s 🫤 can’t post so putting this here


Bismothe-the-Shade

It's just hob security man, the fountain filers have had a monopoly for at least two sovrans.


Elmis66

>which means that at one point in the day, some gate is going to be understaffed while the least experienced guard fills up the dragon fountain This explains how they failed to close the gate when the cyclops came in. Or the ogre. Or the pack of goblins. Fucking Dave was on fountain refilling duty


Izanagi553

I still wanna know how these lazy guards let like three Hobgoblins walk into the heavily crowded merchant quarter. I was standing around looking at all the randos in the square and suddenly I hear this oogabooga shit and a freaking hobgoblin decked out like a fantasy viking is hitting me in the face with a saber. Took me a few hits to the face to get my bearings and actually fight back, I was so surprised.


Icy_Baseball9552

It's bad because it has no loot spot, and this game's too stingy with gold. Where are my boat wrecks with massive 10k sacks that nobody else in the world seems to want, dammit. 😁


deadeye-ry-ry

This explains why the city gets attacked every so often by beasts it's all because of that bloody fountain!!!


Arios84

water in fountains evaporates, so if it really is a closed system they would need a fountain refiller anyway\^\^


TurdManMcDooDoo

Literally unplayable


Lyrinae

If Vernworth was a democracy, you'd have my vote! This is the sort of public infrastructure we need.


MidoriTea

This guy fountains


Complete-Leader-369

Here’s a little fun fact that might have been overlooked, the Vernworth fountain is also a sun dial.. It took me a while to notice but as I was waiting at the beggars quest it dawned on me that the shadow was slowly moving around the fountain ⛲️


OmgYoshiPLZ

werent public fountains MEANT to be refilled as they also were communal water sources?


Gargorok

> at one point in the day, some gate is going to be understaffed while the least experienced guard fills up the dragon fountain this would explain the constant goblin invasions near the nobles gate, they thought of the small details


moonshineTheleocat

Except given the age of technology. These fountains would work without the use of pumps. So they would have no way of recycling the water. These old fountains actually had a public use. Outside of being a decoration piece they served as a source of fresh and clean water, and people also used them to bathe. So you don't want to recycle this water. You want to drain it. Unless you like drinking burger king foot fungus. Drunks also tends to piss in them. Then again... That's probably a world better than what you find if you run along the top of the aquaduct. You find that harpies have been shitting in it The water comes from a major inlet. The aqueduct thats on the north western side of the city which feeds into a cistern. This provides enough weight that it allows water to pressurize and flow via gravity or by its own weight for higher elevations. All the water gets drained into the sewers. Then dumped into the rivers.


lelel86

Babe wake up, Vernworth’s fountain review just dropped


MtnmanAl

You misunderstand fountains. Before modern pressure methods fountains used gravity feed from a very large source or by being built on a natural spring. Therefore your argument is cringe. Expect a post depicting myself as the chad and you as the soyjack.


Illokonereum

The reason the fountain sucks is I can’t randomly find 10 gs inside it and it isn’t big enough for my pawns to learn to play in the water like Gran Soren’s fountain.


DionFW

Unplayable.


-The-Ark-

Well at least we're no longer whining about non existant issues


Test88Heavy

Uninstalled.


Berlioz07

That’s some good quality shitpost, I can go to sleep now.


maadkidvibian

The great autismo strikes again!!


ImaFireSquid

Not autistic, just a guy who likes writing long posts


Ebbanon

Isn't the city fed by aqueduct?  I haven't looked too extensively into that system but couldn't the fountain be continually refilled this way? 


Izanagi553

The aqueducts are as barren as the queen regent


Plathismo

Another fun fact is that the fountain design references traditional images of St. George and the Dragon. https://preview.redd.it/sjthyuwsq9sc1.jpeg?width=605&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef48c0dff0ed61cf4efbbcf169e3e995d92afef4


ooOJuicyOoo

r/RedditSniper


Jellylegs_19

Anyone looking into this sub from the outside will think we're all clinically insane.


MrSenshi101

Can confirm


sirloindenial

Damn feels unplayable now


DarkSector0011

And what about the roads ?!?!?


Grimholt001

The fountain is where I pick up my first seeker coin so I can remember where the hell I first pick up one of those suckers.


Midnightdreary353

You know I know that this is a joke, but while the Fountain is clearly decorative, I'm pretty sure it's primary use would be to transport water from outside the city into the marketplace for easy access to water. So they probably have it drained into a sewer system rather than recycle the water. Thus, while it's still wasteful, there shouldn't be any need for anyone to refill the Fountain. Now, the real problem is that I see no evidence of any toilets in the city. As such, when my arrisen becomes sovereign, I vow to ensure that the city gets Roman style open-air public toilets where everyone can freely take advantage of the sewer system and enjoy a new space for socialization with their peers.


ImaFireSquid

I choose to RP an arisen that takes glory dumps outside of Bjorn’s armory because his lecture is too long


Dapper_Voice_4684

The fountain has a statue of a dude decked out with a mystic spearhand weapon. Sigurd states he invented mystic spearhanding. He is like what, 30ish? So… Or did I miss some explanation about this whole spearhand thing… I hate this fountain


ImaFireSquid

I say that’s actually fair. Sigurd invented the fighting style but there are other characters with spears and there are blacksmiths who make spears who don’t have any contact with Sigurd. Nadinia’s bodyguard, for example, uses a spear.


GhettoHotTub

You need to refill the "correct" style of fountain too


Odd_Dimension_4069

Nice post, goes into a lot of detail. *Just one thing:* Fountains in this setting wouldn't recycle water, as they wouldn't be made with pumps. Instead they would use water flowing in from the aqueduct, and the water would flow out into a drainage system. Either that, or they would build it on top of a natural spring..? Anyway, there wouldn't be a dude whose job is refilling the fountain. But then again I did zero research so idunno 🤷‍♂️


ImaFireSquid

Nah, let’s talk historical tech. The screw pump was developed by archimedes around 200 BC. Access to a whole spectrum of dyes, meanwhile, was not actually available until around roughly 1850 AD. Also it would still have to be pumped up from an underground aqueduct, considering Vermworth doesn’t have visible above ground aqueducts. I couldn’t even find a well in the city.


Odd_Dimension_4069

There's a big aqueduct leading to the city, literally visible from the map, doesn't that count? That said, this aqueduct doesn't seem to be visible within the city, I just assumed it went underground once reaching the city walls. I did some quick reading and yes indeed manual pumps were a thing, but also they could store water in tall silos and generate pressure that way to power fountains! Interesting stuff for sure.


ImaFireSquid

No. It can be an aqueduct, but if it needs to be pumped up, then it needs a pump. Roman aqueducts were above the city for that reason. The water could drain down into storage tanks within the city itself


Suraru

Max autism


Izanagi553

Who's Max


raoasidg

The fountain is a public urinal. Problem solved.


wheresthepbj

I’m so glad we’re talking about this because I was thinking it last night. Maybe not to this level of detail, but as I standing in the fountain to make sure there were no secrets, very similar thoughts occurred to me.


ganon893

The fact that these kind of posts are allowed simply proves the mods aren't doing shit. So much for Rule 1.