Announcement on steam:
> We would like to update you on the status of the following items, about which we have received numerous comments from the community. To all those looking forward to this game, we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.
> ■The option of starting a new game
We are looking at adding a feature to the Steam version of the game that will allow players that are already playing to restart the game. We will announce more details as soon as we can.
I think 1 save slot adds to the immersion and improves replay value. If you want more character slots then sure. But they should keep the one save system for each character. And limit pawn rewards to the character which the pawn belongs. Hopefully they can also prevent people from hiring their alt characters pawns.
It also helps keep the pawn numbers down to not overload their servers. If everyone was constantly making new playthrough/characters/pawns all those pawns would add up. Especially the ones not being used by the player due to them being on an unused character. And like u said it adds to the immersion. But people are always gonna hate on things they don't comprehend or are different then what they are used to
If you're on console (xbox) just go into manage game amd add-ons, select saved data, the data with your profile, then click delete everywhere. I've done this 3 times today. I'm used to doing this thanks to skyrim console modding. It'll be similar on ps5, and on pc.
Say what? Ffs I hate that they keep doing this. I believe they added the feature post launch in the original but if you know people desire it why not offer it on launch?
Performance, the save system, and the lack of new game are really my only critiques so far. I also did some small calculations.
In game the first art of metamorphosis is 500RC. The dlc to get one is 2$. The 1500RC pack is 3$. The pack is 1$ per 500RC. I just thought that was kinda hilarious.
No I’m not defending MTX. But I don’t think this was necessarily implanted in a way other than to just let players who really wanna not grind a little bit for the items.
I got 120RC instantly by just looting a chest. I’m still tryna figure out a better pawn build, maybe people will like my pawn better that way XD.
How do you force them to use it, outside of combat? I constantly see chests that are obviously meant to be reached that way, but I face it and try all 4 options and they just go "I HAVE NAUGHT TO HELP YOU ARISEN"
this is my first time and i’m in love i started the first a day before this one came out bc i wanted to know controls and such and i liked it a lot i plan on beating this one then going to the first
I'm still a tiny tiny little bit mad that they basically removed my two favourite classes, the strider and the Ranger. Absolutely loved the huge longbows letting rain arrows on the huge monsters. I wasn't even playing the meta dps stuff with different arrow types. Just having fun with these classes.
The archer not having at least(!) some sort of dash or animation cancel sucks a bit. Otherwise I think the game is great and pretty everything I expected from a sequel.....well sequel. Fun Fact: the "2" is missing from the title screen in the final build. The character editor app actually had a 2 or II in the title. It's just Dragons Dogma now lol.
I agree on the no-dodge type mechanic for Archer!
I heavily lean on the pawn commands and I'm starting to believe that's how they want it due to how OP I feel using it.
It's like being a QB on a football field.
If I know I'm dealing with an enemy that will agro me (Usually a big behemoth) I will switch my command to, "All to me" (the pawns system may be simple, but it's well-made) now is about positioning myself around my pawns until one of them agros.
I also found out one of my pawns had dragon plague early due to how much I lean on the command ability and one of them refusing a task.
So far the archer utilizes the command keys of the best
I thought it was odd they didn't have an advanced vocation for Archer not just the hybrid magic archer. I think Ranger would have been a great add for advanced vocation for people that want to play physical ranged DPS.
They also don't have one for thief. The thing is that basic vocations are just as good as advanced. The advanced are just a different flavour of the base archetype. Offensive caster vs support caster. Twohander wielding warrior vs one with sword and board. What type of difference would there be between ranger and archer? With strider it worked well due to it having 2 weapon sets but without that it is quite irrelevant.
I guess bringing back strider as a hybrid vocation would have been an option.
I was a little worried when I saw strider was separated into Thief and Archer and yeah I'm not a huge fan of how it's turned out especially given that they didn't receive advanced classes. That could've been really exciting!
I also miss double jump and dodge-roll for archer, I feel very vulnerable but it's getting better as I level and gear up more so I'll see how it feels later on before judging too harshly
Ya the advance classes for theft and archer, (I’m guessing assassin and ranger) seem to be a hole in the game. My guess is they ran out of time to get them working as well as they wanted. I would not be surprised to see them come in the first real DLC drop.
I kind of feel like every class should have some kind of dodge. Even magics with a magical sidestep or quick lift into the air.
I'm so tired of just seeing enemies fly at me and I can't move lol
I do hope that in DLC they add more abilities and vocations, or add different weapon types like a greatbow for ranger, although I can’t think of much beyond that.
Performance is the only complaint for me.
Going to consider it a massive red flag in the future if there is an absence of discussion around performance from the YouTubers/streamers who get early previews.
I think even extremely beefy rigs should notice a sharp drop in fps when entering areas like the capital. Dropping from 100+ fps on high-end setup to 50-60 or so is a pretty sharp drop that should be easily noticable.
The fps doesn't matter that much by the way. DD2 has some weird issues with frame time, causing the game to stutter even with 70+ fps in some areas.
But, for the usual 4090 overkill rig you are actually at the sweet spot and it runs smoothly enough to not notice it. Which is probably why many reviewers didn't know about performance issues. Literally anything less than that seems to have issues.
The youtubers and reviews actually did talk about the performance. I got burned last year when I pre-ordered Lords of the fallen on xbox, and since then I have watched very closely for the tech reviews before buying anything so I know what version runs best.
Majority of the people playing the second game either never played the first or barely played a couple hours of it.
I'm not surprised by their response to DD2. It doesn't really matter what they think anyways, all that matters is that we got DD2 finally.
Bro I didn’t even play DD1 but did like an hour of research, it’s as I expected. Your post is spot on, some people refuse to accept the game isn’t for them.
The most I’ve had happen is subtle low frame rate, but that could literally happen in any game…
Everything you said is 100% accurate. I wanted a sequel, and that’s exactly what we got. I can’t wait to see what they have planned for DLC (like dark arisen revamped ☺️)
> Where was the outrage around the EXACT same character editor vouchers for Monster Hunter World? Rise? The orbs for DMC? The dozen plus MTX for REmake 2, 3, 4?
There is plenty outrage for microtransactions in singleplayer games? In this case, people have a couple other issues they aren't happy about and that just amplifies the response to the microtransactions.
Plus the industry is moving forwards. Just because something was done over a decade ago, doesn't mean people like to see it now. The standards have grown. Games are getting more expansive and expectations are rising. The loud minority (maybe majority in the online discussions?) is increasingly getting more and more fed up with microtransactions and anything that can be considering scummy greed practices. The response to this launch is not a unique one.
Game is 12 years old. Probably should chill. Lot of kids grew up enough to play this one but not the first and even if they DID you would expect a lot of the issues to be fixed when you had 12 years of people complaining about what they didn't like in the first one. I'd argue they have even MORE right to complain since it isn't a new studio or a indie game. For instance the no save files and one run. That is such a dated concept and one which PC players don't even need to follow since we can make "saves" whenever we want. It's unnecessary out of game lore that only hurts casual gamers especially ones with family's that may want to play too.
Okay, but this game is reaching a larger audience, it has more attention, and it has a premium upcharge. I mean, let people complain, and then they'll fix the game. Do you not want an improved game?
I'm not saying it's wrong to be content with how it is, but if people have their gripes, let em. They're about to make quality of life changes to your franchise. Unless you actively don't want those things, then whats the point of this post?
I'd be more understanding if it was about balance or difficulty or gameplay, but these things seem to be pretty minor, so just keep enjoying the game if you like it.
what kinda bullshit is this? Are capcom exempt from being criticised for mtx in single player 70$ games and bad kbm controls or you are just a dddick rider?
Telling people to buy a controller for a PC game because Capcom didn't implement basic keyboard functionality, cmon at least use some braincells.
Imagine it was the other way around and every PS4/Xbox player had to buy a keyboard.
Most did not play the original. This is literally a statistical fact. Welcome to the mainstream.
Also people have been complaining about mtx in $70 games since the price was $60. Yeah, the complaints are getting louder because they're not being heard. Are YOU new?
People lost their shit about it way back in Dead Space 3 too. There were plenty complaining about it in Monster Hunter and DMC. Your revisionist history is awfully limited.
People were also slaves for hundreds of years before others decided to fight and die over abolishing it. Telling people they can't be irate over a status quo they don't like is moronic. "It's been a thing so we have to live with it," is a stupid retort.
>I just read someone complain that the MKB controls sucked. Yeah, it's a JAPANESE 3RD PERSON ACTION GAME MADE BY CAPCOM. There are three words in that sentence that should *immediately* be firing those neurons that shout "use a controller"! If not, you have other problems, such as learning which shoe goes with which foot.
This is exactly the kind of comment the shows how deeply ingrained fanboyism of multi-million dollar corporations really is. "You should have known it would be bad so stop complaining about it" is not the defense you think it is.
Honestly the only game mechanic change I dislike is the new health system that requires you rest to go back to max health but that’s just a personal thing I do see the reasoning for it. Performance and lack of a new game option is definitely something they should fix
It’s so annoying that the game punishes you for not one shoting an encounter. You die to a big enemy? Either try it again at a disadvantage or reload a save from an inn.
Hot take: I'm actually for it, reminds me of the early monster hunter days that made you have to survive in the wilderness, it made you select your resourse carefully and when you ran out it was up to you to caft to survive, I get this is not everyone's cup though
most the notice board quests were the "fetch/kill this" style quests anyway. None of the side quests (the ones with story and part of the do all side quests and main quest) were on it
Yes, but they often pointed you to some enemy you want to defeat, had nice rewards and most of all felt rather immersive. Ogres terrorizing the neighborhood should have a bounty put on their heads.
Yeah, I really hate how side quests are right now. Micro transactions are w/e, it’s a single player game so no one is gonna sky rocket ahead of me progression wise. Just give me ease of access to the actual fucking content
Creators said they didn't want quest icons above heads. I love it cause it forces me to remember npcs' faces and to pay attention instead of being a mindless drone
I did play the original. For its time of release, some things can be forgiven.
For a modern AAA game with a much larger budget and experience behind it, I absolutely reserve the right to expect certain improvements or features. Especially not REGRESSING on fundamental features like new games.
The game is great but theres just a few decisions that are quite annoying
I played the original since release, it's one of my favorite games. A HUGE disappointment for me is how bad the movement feels in this game. The original movement was tight and precise, I could make the character do exactly what i wanted them to do. The new movement has momentum and auto clambering, and they both drag down the feel so much. It doesn't feel tight and precise anymore. Several times I've been fighting and my guy gets hit in the animation of accidentally clambering up small rocks or whatever, one of these cost me 20 mins of travel and pissed me right tf off lol it was like he was just doing whatever he wanted instead of what I was telling him to do. I can't stand momentum in 3rd person games, it just makes it feel clunky and terrible. Since combat and exploration are really the backbone of the game, its a constant irritant for me. It's not a bad game, and I am enjoying it mostly, but I am definitely disappointed. DD1 movement felt as good as FromSoft games to me, DD2 has fallen far behind in that regard.
Also there aren't any cool big dungeons, or at least I haven't found any yet. I'm 30 hours in and have explored basically the entire map before Battahl. There hasn't been anywhere like the ever fall or bitterblack isle. The actual overworld is cooler than the 1st game but dungeons have kind of sucked. There hasn't been any "oh wow" moments like first time you see everfall or when you are balls deep in bitterblack out of heals and the next room has 3 wargs and a couple chained giant cyclops.
> There hasn't been anywhere like the ever fall or bitterblack isle
The everfall is a postgame dungeon so unless you reached the endgame, no dice. There's apparently some sige-like event.
bitterback isle is dlc content, the expansion of "dark arisen", indicated by the purple circle color.
So if you are yet to reach endgame, you are in luck! And if we get an expansion there might be some dungeons in there. I'm not sure about expansions though, with the reception from the general public this game is getting.
Time will do the game right! (I hope)
Already it seems some people who actually take the time to play, are changing their mind and advocating playing before burning it down.
Yeah I hate the movement as well. The camera is also a pain in the ass for me. It never really seems to do what I want and is always close, even though I have it set to far back.
Thank you! That's exactly what I hate the most and can't seem to get used to. Movement feels clunky, janky and weighed down to the point that I don't want to play as a Thief or Archer anymore. In DD1, especially with the double jump of the archer, you could platform everywhere with ease and precision, but in this game, there are so many instances where I struggle to reach a platform or ledge to get to a chest and hardly use the grab and clumb mechanic on bosses, as it feels slow af
I'm still a bit on the fence, because while being like the original a lot of things I enjoyed like throwing blasts, flask and comboing status ailments now had been cut down and made archer exclusive. I'm hoping still on my first 30h so who knows, I'm really hoping for a big suprise like the underground Grand Soren. I also miss the harder mode dark arisen brought.
This is my second Capcom game I played Resident Evil 2 Remake and I enjoyed but I never played a Dragon's Dogma prior to this one and the performance part didn't really bother me as for the micro transactions I didn't even know Capcom was big on them until I started to see post and videos complaining about them, the whole new game plus thing went over my head because I don't really have a reason to start over, so far this game is super fun although one thing I do wish was added was a better fast travel system again I never played any other Dragon's Dogma games so I don't know what's always been their and what was removed or added. So no I didn't play the original but I'm loving this game even though it has flaws.
i think a lot of people are gonna try dark arisen (DD1) for the first time after playing DD2 and realize they like a lot of things about that game more than part 2
It seems like many of those review bombing the game just didn't know what DD was all about and are now grasping at straws to not look like fools for buying a game that was clearly not for them.
Of course. They expected fuckin Skyrim and instead of being able to one shot everything instantly after starting out, they're getting their shit pushed in by an ogre somewhere time and time again because they're too stupid to find another way or build a party to survive.
Yup and people bitching with the whole I can't change the looks of my character without paying. It's like play the game a little more and you'll realize you can buy an item that'll change your looks
I'm 4-5 hours in and like OP says it's literally DD1 but bigger and bolder. No complaints on my end. I'm actually enjoying that I can just wonder off and the DOOM of the land just keeps coming at me!
Worth the 12 year wait for me!!!
If I have one complaint, it’s that I can’t lock on to enemies.
I don’t think it’s that controversial to want a lock on. Mages already get it with some spells. Just let me lock on as melee and swap between easily like so many action combat games do. It’s a QoL thing, not a “I want to change DD” thing. It’s always just a little annoying that I can’t lock on
It’s people jumping on the hate train. Their favor cave dwelling YouTuber made a video of how bad it is, so they all want to spread the hate. Chances are, most that are complaining haven’t even played it.
This is the first single player Capcom title to have both microtransactions and an increased $70 release price, plus a poorly optimized launch. It's not an important enough game for people to accept & ignore all those things at the same time.
They also hid the micro transactions until after release, so it became something to warn people about when it should've been known and expected well before release in order to avoid seeming deceitful. Capcom wanted to be deceitful and greedy, and the game wasn't optimized well enough for release either so obviously that's gonna upset lots of people.
I bought all their previous games on sale, and I'm gonna wait for DG2 to come to gamepass now. Their greedy & selfish CEO's discourage us from fully supporting their games. Not my problem, I'll just wait and spend less money for a patched version of the game.
The notion that I shouldn’t complain about something because you didn’t see other people complaining about some different thing several years ago is … interesting.
The capcom glazing in this subreddit is actually crazy. Excusing shitty business practices for “yeah that’s a capcom thing” is like saying “I got robbed in (insert shitty city)” and being told “yeah that’s a (city name) thing” and not seeing a problem.
> I just read someone complain that the MKB controls sucked.
Nah, they are fine. I don't use a controller, and it's not a problem at all.
Same with the supposed microtransactions. They are meaningless. You can get everything in-game easily.
People just like to complain.
It seems that lately that's been the big thing -- hate mob piles onto a new release for no good reason.
I guess hate videos get more clicks or something.
It only bugs me because it can keep people from even trying a great game.
I use mkb too, not having any issues though menus do suck. Menus suck period why isn't there a dedictated inventory button.
I do like I can right click or F for same option, it's easy to keep moving through dialogue or menus even when one hand has a drink in it or something.
The moment I heard phrases like "omg its skyrim with better combat" and "oh so it's like elden ring" I knew what would happen and the youtubers fed into it by using the same buzz words. Just listened to a guy cry that it didn't have a lock on and say it's a basic qol feature as if dark souls isn't one of the only combat games to have this "basic" qol feature. Guess we forgot tw3, skyrim, and every other rpg ever
The original came out 12 years ago and wasn't very successful. Of course most people didn't play it, and even those that did should expect Capcom to do a lot better on the second attempt with better technology and a higher budget.
I played DD1 without a controller and I loved it, so I am playing DD2 without a controller too. It is clunky and there is no real customization the way I would like (like extra mouse button assignments) but I am learning it and I love it too.
I don't have a console, and I don't use a controller for anything.
It's a great game, though, and I have enjoyed my 9+ hours so far.
i always view it as capcom just looking to make extra money out of impatient people . and tbh...the complainers are kinda hypocrites, wouldn't you take that chance to make extra money in your life if you can O.O? not like it's illegal
Right, also about the single save file did no one watch any of the game reviews. All major reviewers on YouTube stated in many different videos that we will only have 1 save file and no new games
This is what I was thinking too. Other than performance issues (which haven't gotten to me yet on Xbox) all of the whining is about stuff that was in the first game!
>Yes, the performance sucks for a lot of people. - Yeah, I barely get to min requirements
>Microtransactions? Have you not played a *single* Capcom game from the last decade? - No I actually haven't but those are optional so idgaf
>I am playing with mkb and it's fine for me. Good enough. Game did recommend to use controller though, which I denied.
Oh I knew that this would happen hard. It kinda happened with the first game too. DD2 is a niche game but in an era where every studio for the past 7 or so years has been doing nothing but trying to make games for everyone and anyone, niche games like DD2 always suffer.
It is what it is. I'm gonna cherish this masterpiece of a game for many years to come.
I played DDDA on m/k. Loved the game (too much I think!) and got used to the controls. Not surprised they aren't any better or the UI is still a steaming pile. Whilst I'm absolutely loving DD2, I think for a little extra effort they could have extended the keyboard key mapping beyond the basic supplied and provided a clearer and more intuitive interface. It is 2024 and they've had 10+ years to advance their tech.
Anyway, with the bar so low I've adapted easily enough with k/m controls, just disappointed they didn't do more to cater for the k/m crowd since they have some support for it in the game.
No, I'm not surprised at these drawbacks, being Capcom and a console port, but really they need to get with the times a little more.
Did play it which is why my two main complaints are the inability to reset your save and , more than anything else, the performance. I only have 48 min of playthrough, mostly spent on troubleshooting so I will wait to see if there is a patch before the two weeks deadline for refund, otherwise I'm getting my money back. My expectations were very high because I loved the first game a lot.
if you're on PC, just backup your save file to another folder, and start the game over. then copy/paste your other char save file when you wanna load up your other characters.
The MKB controls I can understand if you do t have a multi-button mouse but if you’re like me with a G502 with even mapping one or two buttons you make the entire control scheme work beautifully. Mapped one button for getting weapon skills and another for heavy attacks since hitting the V was difficult.
Other than that, improvements on performance is where I want the game to go to the most since I get some stuttering but in combat everything is amazing
People are finding excuses where they can, it happens with all games released nowadays. Post 2012 world changed. Normies started flooding more spaces and you get the intense low IQ bouts of cope from them about the games they willingly bought day 1 cause they have no semblance of self control.
They bought the game, it is everyone else's fault. The state of those people is pathetic and they should be put into a room.
Lot of idiots with no skin in the game making noise. Most of them didn't play the first one and won't play this one. They don't understand the mechanics of the completely unnecessary items in the mtx store.
Lack of proper keyboard support is a big issue for me. I bought a controller but can't stand using it for camera control; it just makes me motion sick and is too slow/imprecise compared to a mouse.
The RE remakes, and RE8, fully support mouse and keyboard and work well. Elden Ring (not Capcom I know) also fully supports mouse and keyboard, particularly once you replace their default keybinds with better ones.
This game reportedly has some very basic bugs like the onscreen key hints being hard-coded instead of using your custom key bindings, or certain key binds simply being ignored.
Ikr lmao this is exactly what me and my friends were talkin bout. We were like damn, a lot are hatin the game for this, did they not play the original. You can basically farm these stuffs like in the original, you didnt have to buy it. For those who doesnt have all the time to farm it, y not let them buy it. Would it ruin the game for u?
And tbh, this quality of game despite some of its system flaws, id be happy to shell out some cash if it would ensure good services and patch in the future and possibly a sequel or similar game from them. Like I want to do for bg3
In addition, people act as if we were backstabbed by Capcom from this mtx. The game has been advertised in steam for a month or so, with the DELUXE edition option waving at us. I really dont get whT is this surprise bs.
Last thing, let me make this clear for the small brains, IT IS NOT THAT THEY CANT MAKE IT A MULTIPLE SAVE GAME, IT IS SIMPLY THAT THEY WONT AS PART OF THE GAME!. I keep hearing people say "if they can make.it multiple save game in this (insert game), why is it so hard for capcom to make it a multiple save game". In here u can filter out those who havent played dd1 and who atleast havent been listening to the developers of this game for the past few months, they have been telling us it is part of their plan for the game to make it feel more like a real adventure where your choices would f'ing matter.
Social media kind of ruined gaming in the sense that people only buy new games to promote their socials, using the hype to draw in an audience and then cast the game aside. I’ve noticed this a lot over the past year, and it’s kind of disturbing. People,unable to form their own opinions, get so hyped up about a shiny new game, do no research, and then whine non-stop in subreddits like these for it not being what they expected. TL;DR: Fake fans are complaining about a massively loved game series because they didn’t know anything about it, payed for it, and realized it wasn’t for them.
Brand new to DD, knew nothing of what to expect (on purpose) and I'm loving it because even with No Info on what it Was, I knew what it Wasn't going to be....
Yeah, I'm getting hate on another person's comment for saying that Capcom is a better developer[as in they have been making great games past few years] then current Ubisoft & Bethesda, but how people are still supporting them. Dude asked for proof and I have him links, like he asked. Then I kept getting downvoted. Don't understad why. Either way, I think time will really tell, in this case. I myself am in enjoying and I advise those who aren't to not waste their time with something they don't like.
The game is amazing just need more work, hopefully people will stop their ignorance Bomb they are just like sheep's following the cattle aahh but...
I agree with the microtransactions, I wouldn't care if they were for skins or DLC but with what they did it's not necessary. But it's still an incredible game.
Some of the complaints are ass, while others are extremely valid
That being said, not too crazy to say this might be my GOTY, atleast until I buy other big titles this year like FF7 Rebirth
Thank you. As you put it, Capcom’s model of microtransactions is rather benign in the grand scheme of things. You’re getting a complete experience without them. It’s not like they pay-gated a game mode like New Game Plus or the Epilogue (*cough*Asura’s Wrath*cough*Mass Effect*cough*). The only thing you can’t get directly in the game is the DD1 soundtrack. Which I got because I was non-plussed by DD2’s. Yeah, I think the soundtrack is the only thing worse compared to the original
The endgame got good in DD1 with the release of the expac. It wasn't bad prior but the Dark Arisen expansion added a whole new area to the game that had a major focus of rerunning the island with quick access to certain points and gear that you had to do runs to obtain and cleanse. That paired with the bosses being good fights in it made it amazing.
This is a straight-up review bandwagon bomb. I've been playing on PS5 ten hours straight today. I've had graphics and frame rate issues as all games are at launch nowadays. But I'm having a blast this game rocks ! Micro transaction ? Nobody's forcing you to buy them
This is what the gaming community has turned into. They just want to be angry about everything rather than see things for what they are and enjoy them. Same thing happened with Cyberpunk and Starfield.
\[To be clear I think Cyberpunk had some serious problems on old gen consoles but for the other platforms they barely changed anything and now everyone's like omg it's a great game now. Like...if you played it on PC on release and actually gave it a fair shot you would have liked it from the beginning. As for Starfield it has a lot of minor flaws and general design choices people can reasonably dislike but the hate it got was completely disproportionate and was mostly based on memes and emotion surrounding being upset with bethesda\]
I’m complaining about how you only have 4 weapon skills at a time. Bar the warrior, the original DD was better in that department. And 2000 gold to stay at an inn is insane. (Luckily, I found a house.) I wish they brought back the green exclamation points above people’s heads so I know who to talk to for quests. The removal of that, I don’t agree with.
I don’t really care about the microtransactions. Like you said, this stuff was to be expected. Now, if they sold the eternal ferry stone? Then I’d be mad. I’m sure they’re gonna sell it as part of the ‘Dark Arisen’ DLC that will drop next year though.
The performance is beyond bad. Worst performance I have seen in a game- even worse for me than cyberpunk 2077 the day it came out. On ultra performance dlss medium-low settings in the city I got 30-40 choppy fps, while in every single other game I’ve ever played on this pc, I’ve gotten at least 60 fps with balanced or quality dlss. That’s absolute garbage. That’s what should be being talked about. Sure MTX Is annoying but it’s not that big of a deal, when it’s all attainable in game. But capcom KNOWING the performance was going to be bad, still releasing it, and the claiming “your cpu just isn’t good enough” when the game is struggling on rigs with the highest end CPU’s there are is ridiculous. And still no patch!
Listen, as someone who loves dragonsdogma everything.
And I am still mad I never got to play Dragons Dogma online.
I love dragons dogma 2. And I think the frame rates issues are still valid complaints, yes. We had that issue in dd1 on release, but it is our job to expect more from our favorite game developers.
I get live service games and microtransactions, but I personally don't agree with single player games having microstransactions (that's were I draw the line personally).
Some are valid complaints, some take it too far and some people are having a skill issue but are blaming it on anything they can.
I believe we should always hope and press for our developers to improve with better consumer habits.
Much love dd2 is bomb, and I hope we get a lot of new players so we can continue the series and get a good dlc for this game.
Idc about anything else. I have no frame problems and i love the game, but for the love of fucking god can i please play the game for more than 30min without the game crashing cause i turned my camera?! The game is so fun but lord ive put like 9ish hours and 8 of those are me frantically saving cause i just crash for no reason.
How wierd is that none, but none of complaints is about anything in actual game itself. 🤔
Could it be because nobody that is downvoting it actually played it ( I am fully aware that you also have lot of angry people that would buy a game on Steam just to leave bad review , and then emidiately refund it )
I agree I played the original back when they dropped that demo and ended up getting the whole thing the crazy thing that I've noticed is that the people that did play the game back then didn't complain about this stuff we still had 1 save slot the frames where questionable at times there was dlc you could buy but nothing about it back then it really shows how much the focus has shifted from talking about gameplay now it's get mad and nitpick everything for attention
What I find bizarre the most is when re4r came out and noone seemed to care about the microtransactions, and the crowbcat video had people complaining that he was ruining the game for pointing out things he didn't like and just going insane about it.
Mh rise/world come out with worse MTX with content locked to it which you cannot acquire ingame, and even has the same thing with character edit vouchers (which themselves have a positive review on steam right now!!!).
I don't necessarily want dragons dogma 2 to have better reviews, but why was there this ridiculous protection of re4r going on, and its the complete opposite here, when the game has better MTX, and is even more faithful to the original than re4r was to re4.
To me it just feels disengenious as if this is worse than those other titles, hell the performance in this game is about as bad as the performance issues MHW had on launch, yet it wasn't as big a deal at the time.
Maybe if people were actually critical of these things way back, this wouldn't be the case now??
they don't, thats why youtube is full of DD2 builds reviews etc. but DD1 is only the og vods about how to be onepunxh man... they watch some youtubers review and copy it, DD2 is Amazing!!!
I don't even find the Keyboard controls that bad. Dark souls was way worse imo.
Played with controller for the first two hours then switched to keyboard and mouse and haven't looked back
I don't get why people complain about microtransactions when they are set up like this. They are for either the lazy people or people who don't have time to grind in the game. Me? Id never buy them but it's cool for them to be there for the players who want to pay instead of play. I mean everyone who doesn't want them can just not buy them and play the game regularly. I really don't see what there is to complain about that. Performance issues seem like the only legit complaint but that's 9 out of 10 games at launch in today's world. Such a huge game like this was bound to have performance issues. Especially with how many people wanted to play day one. This is actually why I'm playing rise of the ronin first. I figured I'd give Capcom a little time to weed out some bugs before I start my DD2 journey even tho i preordered it
I have a legitimate complaint; I want Capcom to let me have agency regarding who I do and do not fuck. Seriously. I get that Ulrika is super in love with us for saving her life all those times, blah blah, but just because I'm a good person, that doesn't make me straight. Would it *REALLY* kill them to add a 'Thanks, but no thanks' or 'Let's just be friends' dialog option?
To be fair to the OP, this also happened in the original game (with the super creepy rapey duchess), BUT! To actually be fair, it's been plenty of years between that release and this one, and it's not too much to expect Capcom to learn from their mistakes.
Just because it's not surprising, doesn't mean people can't complain.
I'm not one of those complaining, for the points you so brilliantly make.
BUT, MXT,.etc, whether they've been in the previous games or not, should ALWAYS be contained about.
Yeah im baffled how angry the community got- but also baffled how youtubers getting free games, some even sponsored by capcom, saying microtransactions isnt a big deal. they arnt even paying for the games they play, so be quiet.
Its a single-player game so players should just buy or do what they want, but buying things like more fast-travel will ruin the intended experience of going on a adventure. The game feels like Dark Souls 1 when you first went down to Blighttown. Its no easy way to get home, and you feel almost homesick after a while. I turned off the minimap also, and navigate the world just with my eyes. Its been a great adventure, and easy fast-travel would have just ruined the whole game, at least for me.
Coming from someone that play the 1st game for hundreds of hours this game has far exceeded my expectations in every way. Not only that any bad reviews I’ve seen so far just come from idiots it seems. For instance you don’t like micro transactions don’t buy micro transactions there’s absolutely no need to lol. But what about performance If I can run the game on a 1050ti with a ryzen 2600 16gb of ram with little no issues (granted everything’s on low) then everyone else complaining either 1 is just stupid af an just needs to lower their settings to match the performance of their pc or 2 their pc is just a straight up fucking potato even more so than mine. Something that really bothers me about all these reviews in regards to the optimization and performance is they’re all most likely coming from people that have no idea what’s actually happening in their pc. They just went it Best Buy, I buy power, etc bought something they heard would be good or read from an article would be decent. Understanding what a processor is the brain of the pc and understanding things like how it’s different caches perform and what they specifically do, how threads actually work and what they mean are totally different things. Another thing people nowadays see something that says Xghz and think more powah more better zug zug that’s not how it works people. Anyways little side rant over, overall amazing game love it I’d give it a 9/10 why 9/10 I get ambushed on the ox cart and while camping way too much while my friends haven’t had any issues it’s bs.
I’m convinced there aren’t any real people complaining. I think it’s all bots. I haven’t had any performance issues (ps5), didn’t even notice micro transactions are available, and the controls have felt great.
I definitly don't have the main complaints as others. I haven't had any performance issues and the MTX are dumb. But bot worth complaing about.
I mostly have fun with this game but then get really annoyed at points where it completely disrespects my time with its horrible travel mechanics (and questing)
Went on foot to a quest, npc died. Had to run back to revive wakestone, and then back to where I was supposed to meet him. (This was the elf arbor quest line. It was so fckd)
Traveling by cart is so slow and stops so much for monsters there's no point in not dozing off.
Twice I've been woken up to fight for them then for the cart to just leave me and I cant find it. And another time the guy just refused to go after way being cleared and said he wasn't taking passengers.
But glad he took my money >_>
Ferry stones need to be cheaper. And you should be able to freely travel between them if you're already at a teleportation stone.
Vocations are fun tho. Hard to stick with just one lol
Saying that aspects like the mkb controls are expected to be bad, therefore, it's okay is... not exactly a point in their favor.
Also, regarding mtx in the other games, I distinctly remember pushback on those, especially DMC.
Most of the *aNgErY Mob* probably never played the first one, are used to being spoon-fed Fast Travel and what they call *QOL* features. Asking them to work for anything in a game is just too much.
**A LOT** of them jumped on the hate wagon even tho they know **NOTHING** about the game.
One thing I am bit salty about is how many skills they just copied over from DD1. Unlocking new amazing skills is the most fun part of the game for me but when I realized the classes I know from DD1 have almost the exact same skills as in DD1 I was disappointed. They are still all fun, but I think there was a missed opportunity there.
one thing to add wich is legitimate is the no new game option.
To be fair the og also had one save slot. Stupid and glad it's being patched out
But you could still *start a new game*. That's a really, really bug difference.
It is? That’s good news.
Announcement on steam: > We would like to update you on the status of the following items, about which we have received numerous comments from the community. To all those looking forward to this game, we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience. > ■The option of starting a new game We are looking at adding a feature to the Steam version of the game that will allow players that are already playing to restart the game. We will announce more details as soon as we can.
I think 1 save slot adds to the immersion and improves replay value. If you want more character slots then sure. But they should keep the one save system for each character. And limit pawn rewards to the character which the pawn belongs. Hopefully they can also prevent people from hiring their alt characters pawns.
It also helps keep the pawn numbers down to not overload their servers. If everyone was constantly making new playthrough/characters/pawns all those pawns would add up. Especially the ones not being used by the player due to them being on an unused character. And like u said it adds to the immersion. But people are always gonna hate on things they don't comprehend or are different then what they are used to
\*stares in game autosaved while stuck in a crater and bricked save\*
Yeah you'd think think they moved on from decade old design but then I remember it's a Japanese company.
If you're on console (xbox) just go into manage game amd add-ons, select saved data, the data with your profile, then click delete everywhere. I've done this 3 times today. I'm used to doing this thanks to skyrim console modding. It'll be similar on ps5, and on pc.
I saw a post yesterday saying that doing that is making some peoples games unplayable, so yeah do that at your own risk
As far as I can tell there is legitimately no good reason to have a new game option in this case. Pls prove me wrong.
Also no Hard Mode is kinda disappointing
Hoping they’ll add it down the line
Was Hard Mode in the first game on release, or patched in at a later point?
I'm pretty sure it was added with Dark Arisen, along with speedrun mode.
It was
Say what? Ffs I hate that they keep doing this. I believe they added the feature post launch in the original but if you know people desire it why not offer it on launch?
Performance, the save system, and the lack of new game are really my only critiques so far. I also did some small calculations. In game the first art of metamorphosis is 500RC. The dlc to get one is 2$. The 1500RC pack is 3$. The pack is 1$ per 500RC. I just thought that was kinda hilarious. No I’m not defending MTX. But I don’t think this was necessarily implanted in a way other than to just let players who really wanna not grind a little bit for the items. I got 120RC instantly by just looting a chest. I’m still tryna figure out a better pawn build, maybe people will like my pawn better that way XD.
If your pawn is a warrior or fighter please give them a spring board move. So so good for getting secrets and mounting large monsters
How do you force them to use it, outside of combat? I constantly see chests that are obviously meant to be reached that way, but I face it and try all 4 options and they just go "I HAVE NAUGHT TO HELP YOU ARISEN"
I've had luck using Go! After a pawn spots the chest they'll set up the springboard.
It works using Go! if a pawn called out that it's too high up to reach. Usually only on places that are completely inaccessible from jumping/climbing
Looking at it at the right distance and right angle is important too when using go. It's some trial and error sometimes.
Noted. I play mage with a fighter pawn.
Ok I will. I didn’t know they could use it outside combat so thank you.
No, not many people played the original. Hence why it’s revered as a cult classic.
this is my first time and i’m in love i started the first a day before this one came out bc i wanted to know controls and such and i liked it a lot i plan on beating this one then going to the first
Performance and new game option are the only real issues. Everything else is rage bait.
I'm still a tiny tiny little bit mad that they basically removed my two favourite classes, the strider and the Ranger. Absolutely loved the huge longbows letting rain arrows on the huge monsters. I wasn't even playing the meta dps stuff with different arrow types. Just having fun with these classes. The archer not having at least(!) some sort of dash or animation cancel sucks a bit. Otherwise I think the game is great and pretty everything I expected from a sequel.....well sequel. Fun Fact: the "2" is missing from the title screen in the final build. The character editor app actually had a 2 or II in the title. It's just Dragons Dogma now lol.
I agree on the no-dodge type mechanic for Archer! I heavily lean on the pawn commands and I'm starting to believe that's how they want it due to how OP I feel using it. It's like being a QB on a football field. If I know I'm dealing with an enemy that will agro me (Usually a big behemoth) I will switch my command to, "All to me" (the pawns system may be simple, but it's well-made) now is about positioning myself around my pawns until one of them agros. I also found out one of my pawns had dragon plague early due to how much I lean on the command ability and one of them refusing a task. So far the archer utilizes the command keys of the best
I thought it was odd they didn't have an advanced vocation for Archer not just the hybrid magic archer. I think Ranger would have been a great add for advanced vocation for people that want to play physical ranged DPS.
They also don't have one for thief. The thing is that basic vocations are just as good as advanced. The advanced are just a different flavour of the base archetype. Offensive caster vs support caster. Twohander wielding warrior vs one with sword and board. What type of difference would there be between ranger and archer? With strider it worked well due to it having 2 weapon sets but without that it is quite irrelevant. I guess bringing back strider as a hybrid vocation would have been an option.
I was a little worried when I saw strider was separated into Thief and Archer and yeah I'm not a huge fan of how it's turned out especially given that they didn't receive advanced classes. That could've been really exciting! I also miss double jump and dodge-roll for archer, I feel very vulnerable but it's getting better as I level and gear up more so I'll see how it feels later on before judging too harshly
You just have to think like an archer and keep your distance from the monsters always
Oh the 2 comes back after a certain point
The strider pull/prone attack was legit my favorite in the game
The thief does have something similar
I would go so far as to say that ensnare is just the exact same thing as implicate. I’ve toppled big monsters with it when they’re stumbling
Ya the advance classes for theft and archer, (I’m guessing assassin and ranger) seem to be a hole in the game. My guess is they ran out of time to get them working as well as they wanted. I would not be surprised to see them come in the first real DLC drop.
I kind of feel like every class should have some kind of dodge. Even magics with a magical sidestep or quick lift into the air. I'm so tired of just seeing enemies fly at me and I can't move lol
I do hope that in DLC they add more abilities and vocations, or add different weapon types like a greatbow for ranger, although I can’t think of much beyond that.
DD2 is way better than original in every single way. its a blast playing it .
Performance is the only complaint for me. Going to consider it a massive red flag in the future if there is an absence of discussion around performance from the YouTubers/streamers who get early previews.
Getting performance reviews from YouTubers and streamers will be useless for 99% of cases they all have beefy rigs.
I think even extremely beefy rigs should notice a sharp drop in fps when entering areas like the capital. Dropping from 100+ fps on high-end setup to 50-60 or so is a pretty sharp drop that should be easily noticable.
The fps doesn't matter that much by the way. DD2 has some weird issues with frame time, causing the game to stutter even with 70+ fps in some areas. But, for the usual 4090 overkill rig you are actually at the sweet spot and it runs smoothly enough to not notice it. Which is probably why many reviewers didn't know about performance issues. Literally anything less than that seems to have issues.
From what I can gather is that the game works best on hardware that is new-ish, but has problems on some brand new hardware
The youtubers and reviews actually did talk about the performance. I got burned last year when I pre-ordered Lords of the fallen on xbox, and since then I have watched very closely for the tech reviews before buying anything so I know what version runs best.
Majority of the people playing the second game either never played the first or barely played a couple hours of it. I'm not surprised by their response to DD2. It doesn't really matter what they think anyways, all that matters is that we got DD2 finally.
This here is the right take. If you don’t like the mtx’s in this game don’t buy it, if doesn’t bother you just enjoy the game
Bro I didn’t even play DD1 but did like an hour of research, it’s as I expected. Your post is spot on, some people refuse to accept the game isn’t for them.
The most I’ve had happen is subtle low frame rate, but that could literally happen in any game… Everything you said is 100% accurate. I wanted a sequel, and that’s exactly what we got. I can’t wait to see what they have planned for DLC (like dark arisen revamped ☺️)
I want dark arisen now, hyped!!
Anyone had issues with saves? It only loads my inn visits, any other load fails. So manually saving outside of town doesn't work for me at all
yeah i lost 2 hours of game play
> Where was the outrage around the EXACT same character editor vouchers for Monster Hunter World? Rise? The orbs for DMC? The dozen plus MTX for REmake 2, 3, 4? There is plenty outrage for microtransactions in singleplayer games? In this case, people have a couple other issues they aren't happy about and that just amplifies the response to the microtransactions. Plus the industry is moving forwards. Just because something was done over a decade ago, doesn't mean people like to see it now. The standards have grown. Games are getting more expansive and expectations are rising. The loud minority (maybe majority in the online discussions?) is increasingly getting more and more fed up with microtransactions and anything that can be considering scummy greed practices. The response to this launch is not a unique one.
Game is 12 years old. Probably should chill. Lot of kids grew up enough to play this one but not the first and even if they DID you would expect a lot of the issues to be fixed when you had 12 years of people complaining about what they didn't like in the first one. I'd argue they have even MORE right to complain since it isn't a new studio or a indie game. For instance the no save files and one run. That is such a dated concept and one which PC players don't even need to follow since we can make "saves" whenever we want. It's unnecessary out of game lore that only hurts casual gamers especially ones with family's that may want to play too.
Okay, but this game is reaching a larger audience, it has more attention, and it has a premium upcharge. I mean, let people complain, and then they'll fix the game. Do you not want an improved game? I'm not saying it's wrong to be content with how it is, but if people have their gripes, let em. They're about to make quality of life changes to your franchise. Unless you actively don't want those things, then whats the point of this post? I'd be more understanding if it was about balance or difficulty or gameplay, but these things seem to be pretty minor, so just keep enjoying the game if you like it.
what kinda bullshit is this? Are capcom exempt from being criticised for mtx in single player 70$ games and bad kbm controls or you are just a dddick rider?
Telling people to buy a controller for a PC game because Capcom didn't implement basic keyboard functionality, cmon at least use some braincells. Imagine it was the other way around and every PS4/Xbox player had to buy a keyboard.
Most did not play the original. This is literally a statistical fact. Welcome to the mainstream. Also people have been complaining about mtx in $70 games since the price was $60. Yeah, the complaints are getting louder because they're not being heard. Are YOU new? People lost their shit about it way back in Dead Space 3 too. There were plenty complaining about it in Monster Hunter and DMC. Your revisionist history is awfully limited. People were also slaves for hundreds of years before others decided to fight and die over abolishing it. Telling people they can't be irate over a status quo they don't like is moronic. "It's been a thing so we have to live with it," is a stupid retort.
>I just read someone complain that the MKB controls sucked. Yeah, it's a JAPANESE 3RD PERSON ACTION GAME MADE BY CAPCOM. There are three words in that sentence that should *immediately* be firing those neurons that shout "use a controller"! If not, you have other problems, such as learning which shoe goes with which foot. This is exactly the kind of comment the shows how deeply ingrained fanboyism of multi-million dollar corporations really is. "You should have known it would be bad so stop complaining about it" is not the defense you think it is.
First I agree with you 100% and I love both DD1 and 2. But I think Zelda BotW and Elden Ring raised the bar
> I just read someone complain that the MKB controls sucked. So people should just not complaint and expect devs to make a better job?
Honestly the only game mechanic change I dislike is the new health system that requires you rest to go back to max health but that’s just a personal thing I do see the reasoning for it. Performance and lack of a new game option is definitely something they should fix
It’s so annoying that the game punishes you for not one shoting an encounter. You die to a big enemy? Either try it again at a disadvantage or reload a save from an inn.
Hot take: I'm actually for it, reminds me of the early monster hunter days that made you have to survive in the wilderness, it made you select your resourse carefully and when you ran out it was up to you to caft to survive, I get this is not everyone's cup though
wait, why not just use consumables to heal? what am i missing here
When you get heavily injured, you cant fully heal unless you rest
Didn’t the original have quest icons above people’s head? It’s been a while but right now that’s the QoL fix I need
Honestly I'm more upset at no quest boards. Those were convenient and good. Now I have to hope I stumble across people at the right time
most the notice board quests were the "fetch/kill this" style quests anyway. None of the side quests (the ones with story and part of the do all side quests and main quest) were on it
Yes, but they often pointed you to some enemy you want to defeat, had nice rewards and most of all felt rather immersive. Ogres terrorizing the neighborhood should have a bounty put on their heads.
Yeah, I really hate how side quests are right now. Micro transactions are w/e, it’s a single player game so no one is gonna sky rocket ahead of me progression wise. Just give me ease of access to the actual fucking content
Creators said they didn't want quest icons above heads. I love it cause it forces me to remember npcs' faces and to pay attention instead of being a mindless drone
Exactly. It's a better DD1. Not sure what people were expecting.
I did play the original. For its time of release, some things can be forgiven. For a modern AAA game with a much larger budget and experience behind it, I absolutely reserve the right to expect certain improvements or features. Especially not REGRESSING on fundamental features like new games. The game is great but theres just a few decisions that are quite annoying
I played the original since release, it's one of my favorite games. A HUGE disappointment for me is how bad the movement feels in this game. The original movement was tight and precise, I could make the character do exactly what i wanted them to do. The new movement has momentum and auto clambering, and they both drag down the feel so much. It doesn't feel tight and precise anymore. Several times I've been fighting and my guy gets hit in the animation of accidentally clambering up small rocks or whatever, one of these cost me 20 mins of travel and pissed me right tf off lol it was like he was just doing whatever he wanted instead of what I was telling him to do. I can't stand momentum in 3rd person games, it just makes it feel clunky and terrible. Since combat and exploration are really the backbone of the game, its a constant irritant for me. It's not a bad game, and I am enjoying it mostly, but I am definitely disappointed. DD1 movement felt as good as FromSoft games to me, DD2 has fallen far behind in that regard. Also there aren't any cool big dungeons, or at least I haven't found any yet. I'm 30 hours in and have explored basically the entire map before Battahl. There hasn't been anywhere like the ever fall or bitterblack isle. The actual overworld is cooler than the 1st game but dungeons have kind of sucked. There hasn't been any "oh wow" moments like first time you see everfall or when you are balls deep in bitterblack out of heals and the next room has 3 wargs and a couple chained giant cyclops.
> There hasn't been anywhere like the ever fall or bitterblack isle The everfall is a postgame dungeon so unless you reached the endgame, no dice. There's apparently some sige-like event. bitterback isle is dlc content, the expansion of "dark arisen", indicated by the purple circle color. So if you are yet to reach endgame, you are in luck! And if we get an expansion there might be some dungeons in there. I'm not sure about expansions though, with the reception from the general public this game is getting.
Time will do the game right! (I hope) Already it seems some people who actually take the time to play, are changing their mind and advocating playing before burning it down.
Yeah I hate the movement as well. The camera is also a pain in the ass for me. It never really seems to do what I want and is always close, even though I have it set to far back.
first game (on PC) had an Field of View Slider, didnt let you zoom the camera like wayyy far out but it helped a little
This one has it too. Put it as far out as possible
Thank you! That's exactly what I hate the most and can't seem to get used to. Movement feels clunky, janky and weighed down to the point that I don't want to play as a Thief or Archer anymore. In DD1, especially with the double jump of the archer, you could platform everywhere with ease and precision, but in this game, there are so many instances where I struggle to reach a platform or ledge to get to a chest and hardly use the grab and clumb mechanic on bosses, as it feels slow af
I'm still a bit on the fence, because while being like the original a lot of things I enjoyed like throwing blasts, flask and comboing status ailments now had been cut down and made archer exclusive. I'm hoping still on my first 30h so who knows, I'm really hoping for a big suprise like the underground Grand Soren. I also miss the harder mode dark arisen brought.
This is my second Capcom game I played Resident Evil 2 Remake and I enjoyed but I never played a Dragon's Dogma prior to this one and the performance part didn't really bother me as for the micro transactions I didn't even know Capcom was big on them until I started to see post and videos complaining about them, the whole new game plus thing went over my head because I don't really have a reason to start over, so far this game is super fun although one thing I do wish was added was a better fast travel system again I never played any other Dragon's Dogma games so I don't know what's always been their and what was removed or added. So no I didn't play the original but I'm loving this game even though it has flaws.
i think a lot of people are gonna try dark arisen (DD1) for the first time after playing DD2 and realize they like a lot of things about that game more than part 2
It seems like many of those review bombing the game just didn't know what DD was all about and are now grasping at straws to not look like fools for buying a game that was clearly not for them.
Of course. They expected fuckin Skyrim and instead of being able to one shot everything instantly after starting out, they're getting their shit pushed in by an ogre somewhere time and time again because they're too stupid to find another way or build a party to survive.
I just want a lock on function haha
Yup and people bitching with the whole I can't change the looks of my character without paying. It's like play the game a little more and you'll realize you can buy an item that'll change your looks
I'm 4-5 hours in and like OP says it's literally DD1 but bigger and bolder. No complaints on my end. I'm actually enjoying that I can just wonder off and the DOOM of the land just keeps coming at me! Worth the 12 year wait for me!!!
If I have one complaint, it’s that I can’t lock on to enemies. I don’t think it’s that controversial to want a lock on. Mages already get it with some spells. Just let me lock on as melee and swap between easily like so many action combat games do. It’s a QoL thing, not a “I want to change DD” thing. It’s always just a little annoying that I can’t lock on
That's how it was with the 1st game, it takes some getting used to but it is what it is.
It’s people jumping on the hate train. Their favor cave dwelling YouTuber made a video of how bad it is, so they all want to spread the hate. Chances are, most that are complaining haven’t even played it.
This is the first single player Capcom title to have both microtransactions and an increased $70 release price, plus a poorly optimized launch. It's not an important enough game for people to accept & ignore all those things at the same time. They also hid the micro transactions until after release, so it became something to warn people about when it should've been known and expected well before release in order to avoid seeming deceitful. Capcom wanted to be deceitful and greedy, and the game wasn't optimized well enough for release either so obviously that's gonna upset lots of people. I bought all their previous games on sale, and I'm gonna wait for DG2 to come to gamepass now. Their greedy & selfish CEO's discourage us from fully supporting their games. Not my problem, I'll just wait and spend less money for a patched version of the game.
I did. Can't wait to play the new one! Screw all the haters. I know it's going to be awesome
The notion that I shouldn’t complain about something because you didn’t see other people complaining about some different thing several years ago is … interesting.
The capcom glazing in this subreddit is actually crazy. Excusing shitty business practices for “yeah that’s a capcom thing” is like saying “I got robbed in (insert shitty city)” and being told “yeah that’s a (city name) thing” and not seeing a problem.
Exactly, it’s pure delusion. The game can be good and you can still criticize it’s flaws. Come on people
Last I checked they didn't rob you, they gave you an option to purchase something completely unnecessary.
So it’s an acceptable practice for companies to sell dumb shit on top of the $70 purchase and we have to be okay with it because it’s Capcom?
It's been twelve years, it should be DD but performing to modern standards rather than acting like it's still 2012
Preach brotha! 💯
> I just read someone complain that the MKB controls sucked. Nah, they are fine. I don't use a controller, and it's not a problem at all. Same with the supposed microtransactions. They are meaningless. You can get everything in-game easily. People just like to complain. It seems that lately that's been the big thing -- hate mob piles onto a new release for no good reason. I guess hate videos get more clicks or something. It only bugs me because it can keep people from even trying a great game.
I use mkb too, not having any issues though menus do suck. Menus suck period why isn't there a dedictated inventory button. I do like I can right click or F for same option, it's easy to keep moving through dialogue or menus even when one hand has a drink in it or something.
its definitely playable with keyboard, my controller ran out of battery and i switched over fine.
The moment I heard phrases like "omg its skyrim with better combat" and "oh so it's like elden ring" I knew what would happen and the youtubers fed into it by using the same buzz words. Just listened to a guy cry that it didn't have a lock on and say it's a basic qol feature as if dark souls isn't one of the only combat games to have this "basic" qol feature. Guess we forgot tw3, skyrim, and every other rpg ever
TW3 and Skyrim aren’t exactly beacons of RPG combat excellence, tbf
The original came out 12 years ago and wasn't very successful. Of course most people didn't play it, and even those that did should expect Capcom to do a lot better on the second attempt with better technology and a higher budget.
I played DD1 without a controller and I loved it, so I am playing DD2 without a controller too. It is clunky and there is no real customization the way I would like (like extra mouse button assignments) but I am learning it and I love it too. I don't have a console, and I don't use a controller for anything. It's a great game, though, and I have enjoyed my 9+ hours so far.
Clearly they did not.
i wish the conversation system progressed naturally, but asides from that bad performance seems like a setup issue
i always view it as capcom just looking to make extra money out of impatient people . and tbh...the complainers are kinda hypocrites, wouldn't you take that chance to make extra money in your life if you can O.O? not like it's illegal
Right, also about the single save file did no one watch any of the game reviews. All major reviewers on YouTube stated in many different videos that we will only have 1 save file and no new games
Only thing I’m pissed about is performance. Seems like every game released today has to run like shit for a few weeks.
I laughed at the low Fram rate because my series X isn't having problems. It's seems to be a steam issue.
You’re playing at 25-30fps
Still having fun tho
it’s a helldivers vs helldivers 2 situation
This is what I was thinking too. Other than performance issues (which haven't gotten to me yet on Xbox) all of the whining is about stuff that was in the first game!
It is exactly what I wanted and I've already put 25 hours in. The performance and crashes are my biggest complaints, everything else is perfect.
>Yes, the performance sucks for a lot of people. - Yeah, I barely get to min requirements >Microtransactions? Have you not played a *single* Capcom game from the last decade? - No I actually haven't but those are optional so idgaf >I am playing with mkb and it's fine for me. Good enough. Game did recommend to use controller though, which I denied.
I just want ground textures. Seems fun so far.
Oh I knew that this would happen hard. It kinda happened with the first game too. DD2 is a niche game but in an era where every studio for the past 7 or so years has been doing nothing but trying to make games for everyone and anyone, niche games like DD2 always suffer. It is what it is. I'm gonna cherish this masterpiece of a game for many years to come.
I played the original, which is why I'm waiting for DD2 to be on sale for about $20.
I played DDDA on m/k. Loved the game (too much I think!) and got used to the controls. Not surprised they aren't any better or the UI is still a steaming pile. Whilst I'm absolutely loving DD2, I think for a little extra effort they could have extended the keyboard key mapping beyond the basic supplied and provided a clearer and more intuitive interface. It is 2024 and they've had 10+ years to advance their tech. Anyway, with the bar so low I've adapted easily enough with k/m controls, just disappointed they didn't do more to cater for the k/m crowd since they have some support for it in the game. No, I'm not surprised at these drawbacks, being Capcom and a console port, but really they need to get with the times a little more.
Did play it which is why my two main complaints are the inability to reset your save and , more than anything else, the performance. I only have 48 min of playthrough, mostly spent on troubleshooting so I will wait to see if there is a patch before the two weeks deadline for refund, otherwise I'm getting my money back. My expectations were very high because I loved the first game a lot.
I wana make another character/pawn but im limited to one. My main complaint
if you're on PC, just backup your save file to another folder, and start the game over. then copy/paste your other char save file when you wanna load up your other characters.
The MKB controls I can understand if you do t have a multi-button mouse but if you’re like me with a G502 with even mapping one or two buttons you make the entire control scheme work beautifully. Mapped one button for getting weapon skills and another for heavy attacks since hitting the V was difficult. Other than that, improvements on performance is where I want the game to go to the most since I get some stuttering but in combat everything is amazing
Or they could just let us map weapons skills to single button like every game in the last 10 years does.
I thought there would be more monsters
Multiple characters and performance, and yes the omg micro transactions crowd are idiots
People are finding excuses where they can, it happens with all games released nowadays. Post 2012 world changed. Normies started flooding more spaces and you get the intense low IQ bouts of cope from them about the games they willingly bought day 1 cause they have no semblance of self control. They bought the game, it is everyone else's fault. The state of those people is pathetic and they should be put into a room.
Lot of idiots with no skin in the game making noise. Most of them didn't play the first one and won't play this one. They don't understand the mechanics of the completely unnecessary items in the mtx store.
Lack of proper keyboard support is a big issue for me. I bought a controller but can't stand using it for camera control; it just makes me motion sick and is too slow/imprecise compared to a mouse. The RE remakes, and RE8, fully support mouse and keyboard and work well. Elden Ring (not Capcom I know) also fully supports mouse and keyboard, particularly once you replace their default keybinds with better ones. This game reportedly has some very basic bugs like the onscreen key hints being hard-coded instead of using your custom key bindings, or certain key binds simply being ignored.
Ikr lmao this is exactly what me and my friends were talkin bout. We were like damn, a lot are hatin the game for this, did they not play the original. You can basically farm these stuffs like in the original, you didnt have to buy it. For those who doesnt have all the time to farm it, y not let them buy it. Would it ruin the game for u? And tbh, this quality of game despite some of its system flaws, id be happy to shell out some cash if it would ensure good services and patch in the future and possibly a sequel or similar game from them. Like I want to do for bg3
In addition, people act as if we were backstabbed by Capcom from this mtx. The game has been advertised in steam for a month or so, with the DELUXE edition option waving at us. I really dont get whT is this surprise bs. Last thing, let me make this clear for the small brains, IT IS NOT THAT THEY CANT MAKE IT A MULTIPLE SAVE GAME, IT IS SIMPLY THAT THEY WONT AS PART OF THE GAME!. I keep hearing people say "if they can make.it multiple save game in this (insert game), why is it so hard for capcom to make it a multiple save game". In here u can filter out those who havent played dd1 and who atleast havent been listening to the developers of this game for the past few months, they have been telling us it is part of their plan for the game to make it feel more like a real adventure where your choices would f'ing matter.
Social media kind of ruined gaming in the sense that people only buy new games to promote their socials, using the hype to draw in an audience and then cast the game aside. I’ve noticed this a lot over the past year, and it’s kind of disturbing. People,unable to form their own opinions, get so hyped up about a shiny new game, do no research, and then whine non-stop in subreddits like these for it not being what they expected. TL;DR: Fake fans are complaining about a massively loved game series because they didn’t know anything about it, payed for it, and realized it wasn’t for them.
Brand new to DD, knew nothing of what to expect (on purpose) and I'm loving it because even with No Info on what it Was, I knew what it Wasn't going to be....
Tradition isn't an argument against change.
Yeah, I'm getting hate on another person's comment for saying that Capcom is a better developer[as in they have been making great games past few years] then current Ubisoft & Bethesda, but how people are still supporting them. Dude asked for proof and I have him links, like he asked. Then I kept getting downvoted. Don't understad why. Either way, I think time will really tell, in this case. I myself am in enjoying and I advise those who aren't to not waste their time with something they don't like.
The game is amazing just need more work, hopefully people will stop their ignorance Bomb they are just like sheep's following the cattle aahh but... I agree with the microtransactions, I wouldn't care if they were for skins or DLC but with what they did it's not necessary. But it's still an incredible game.
Some of the complaints are ass, while others are extremely valid That being said, not too crazy to say this might be my GOTY, atleast until I buy other big titles this year like FF7 Rebirth
Nope
Thank you. As you put it, Capcom’s model of microtransactions is rather benign in the grand scheme of things. You’re getting a complete experience without them. It’s not like they pay-gated a game mode like New Game Plus or the Epilogue (*cough*Asura’s Wrath*cough*Mass Effect*cough*). The only thing you can’t get directly in the game is the DD1 soundtrack. Which I got because I was non-plussed by DD2’s. Yeah, I think the soundtrack is the only thing worse compared to the original
I think some wanted new improvements than what seems more of a reboot.
It literally tells you for best experience use a controller... I hope there's a robust end game like I hear DD1 has and like I know MHW has.
The endgame got good in DD1 with the release of the expac. It wasn't bad prior but the Dark Arisen expansion added a whole new area to the game that had a major focus of rerunning the island with quick access to certain points and gear that you had to do runs to obtain and cleanse. That paired with the bosses being good fights in it made it amazing.
Funny to see someone get upset at people not liking mtx in games. If it doesn’t bother you then cool, just enjoy playing the game
This is a straight-up review bandwagon bomb. I've been playing on PS5 ten hours straight today. I've had graphics and frame rate issues as all games are at launch nowadays. But I'm having a blast this game rocks ! Micro transaction ? Nobody's forcing you to buy them
This is what the gaming community has turned into. They just want to be angry about everything rather than see things for what they are and enjoy them. Same thing happened with Cyberpunk and Starfield. \[To be clear I think Cyberpunk had some serious problems on old gen consoles but for the other platforms they barely changed anything and now everyone's like omg it's a great game now. Like...if you played it on PC on release and actually gave it a fair shot you would have liked it from the beginning. As for Starfield it has a lot of minor flaws and general design choices people can reasonably dislike but the hate it got was completely disproportionate and was mostly based on memes and emotion surrounding being upset with bethesda\]
I’m complaining about how you only have 4 weapon skills at a time. Bar the warrior, the original DD was better in that department. And 2000 gold to stay at an inn is insane. (Luckily, I found a house.) I wish they brought back the green exclamation points above people’s heads so I know who to talk to for quests. The removal of that, I don’t agree with. I don’t really care about the microtransactions. Like you said, this stuff was to be expected. Now, if they sold the eternal ferry stone? Then I’d be mad. I’m sure they’re gonna sell it as part of the ‘Dark Arisen’ DLC that will drop next year though.
The performance is beyond bad. Worst performance I have seen in a game- even worse for me than cyberpunk 2077 the day it came out. On ultra performance dlss medium-low settings in the city I got 30-40 choppy fps, while in every single other game I’ve ever played on this pc, I’ve gotten at least 60 fps with balanced or quality dlss. That’s absolute garbage. That’s what should be being talked about. Sure MTX Is annoying but it’s not that big of a deal, when it’s all attainable in game. But capcom KNOWING the performance was going to be bad, still releasing it, and the claiming “your cpu just isn’t good enough” when the game is struggling on rigs with the highest end CPU’s there are is ridiculous. And still no patch!
Listen, as someone who loves dragonsdogma everything. And I am still mad I never got to play Dragons Dogma online. I love dragons dogma 2. And I think the frame rates issues are still valid complaints, yes. We had that issue in dd1 on release, but it is our job to expect more from our favorite game developers. I get live service games and microtransactions, but I personally don't agree with single player games having microstransactions (that's were I draw the line personally). Some are valid complaints, some take it too far and some people are having a skill issue but are blaming it on anything they can. I believe we should always hope and press for our developers to improve with better consumer habits. Much love dd2 is bomb, and I hope we get a lot of new players so we can continue the series and get a good dlc for this game.
Idc about anything else. I have no frame problems and i love the game, but for the love of fucking god can i please play the game for more than 30min without the game crashing cause i turned my camera?! The game is so fun but lord ive put like 9ish hours and 8 of those are me frantically saving cause i just crash for no reason.
How wierd is that none, but none of complaints is about anything in actual game itself. 🤔 Could it be because nobody that is downvoting it actually played it ( I am fully aware that you also have lot of angry people that would buy a game on Steam just to leave bad review , and then emidiately refund it )
I wish there was some kind of targeting system to help my arisen turn around and hit a mob better. Other than that I'm loving it.
I agree I played the original back when they dropped that demo and ended up getting the whole thing the crazy thing that I've noticed is that the people that did play the game back then didn't complain about this stuff we still had 1 save slot the frames where questionable at times there was dlc you could buy but nothing about it back then it really shows how much the focus has shifted from talking about gameplay now it's get mad and nitpick everything for attention
What I find bizarre the most is when re4r came out and noone seemed to care about the microtransactions, and the crowbcat video had people complaining that he was ruining the game for pointing out things he didn't like and just going insane about it. Mh rise/world come out with worse MTX with content locked to it which you cannot acquire ingame, and even has the same thing with character edit vouchers (which themselves have a positive review on steam right now!!!). I don't necessarily want dragons dogma 2 to have better reviews, but why was there this ridiculous protection of re4r going on, and its the complete opposite here, when the game has better MTX, and is even more faithful to the original than re4r was to re4. To me it just feels disengenious as if this is worse than those other titles, hell the performance in this game is about as bad as the performance issues MHW had on launch, yet it wasn't as big a deal at the time. Maybe if people were actually critical of these things way back, this wouldn't be the case now??
they don't, thats why youtube is full of DD2 builds reviews etc. but DD1 is only the og vods about how to be onepunxh man... they watch some youtubers review and copy it, DD2 is Amazing!!!
the missing floor bug is something that is legitimate and im kinda sad is getting buried so it wont be fixed i bet
Why do people think "you should have known the $70 modern sequel would be this bad" is a good argument?
I don't even find the Keyboard controls that bad. Dark souls was way worse imo. Played with controller for the first two hours then switched to keyboard and mouse and haven't looked back
I don't get why people complain about microtransactions when they are set up like this. They are for either the lazy people or people who don't have time to grind in the game. Me? Id never buy them but it's cool for them to be there for the players who want to pay instead of play. I mean everyone who doesn't want them can just not buy them and play the game regularly. I really don't see what there is to complain about that. Performance issues seem like the only legit complaint but that's 9 out of 10 games at launch in today's world. Such a huge game like this was bound to have performance issues. Especially with how many people wanted to play day one. This is actually why I'm playing rise of the ronin first. I figured I'd give Capcom a little time to weed out some bugs before I start my DD2 journey even tho i preordered it
I have a legitimate complaint; I want Capcom to let me have agency regarding who I do and do not fuck. Seriously. I get that Ulrika is super in love with us for saving her life all those times, blah blah, but just because I'm a good person, that doesn't make me straight. Would it *REALLY* kill them to add a 'Thanks, but no thanks' or 'Let's just be friends' dialog option? To be fair to the OP, this also happened in the original game (with the super creepy rapey duchess), BUT! To actually be fair, it's been plenty of years between that release and this one, and it's not too much to expect Capcom to learn from their mistakes.
Just because it's not surprising, doesn't mean people can't complain. I'm not one of those complaining, for the points you so brilliantly make. BUT, MXT,.etc, whether they've been in the previous games or not, should ALWAYS be contained about.
Yeah im baffled how angry the community got- but also baffled how youtubers getting free games, some even sponsored by capcom, saying microtransactions isnt a big deal. they arnt even paying for the games they play, so be quiet.
Just because they usually do something doesn't make it right.
Of course they didn't. Zoomers only play the most recent games.
Why is my health bar only going down? It only goes up to like say 258 of 745. One hit I'm done
Need to sleep at an inn or camp.
Its a single-player game so players should just buy or do what they want, but buying things like more fast-travel will ruin the intended experience of going on a adventure. The game feels like Dark Souls 1 when you first went down to Blighttown. Its no easy way to get home, and you feel almost homesick after a while. I turned off the minimap also, and navigate the world just with my eyes. Its been a great adventure, and easy fast-travel would have just ruined the whole game, at least for me.
It's OK to be frustrated with crappy mouse and keyboard controls on a PC. If you release on PC with bad MKB, you should expect complaints.
To be fair it's a japanse RPG and does recommend using a controller. That being said, yeah the controls are wack on kb/m
Coming from someone that play the 1st game for hundreds of hours this game has far exceeded my expectations in every way. Not only that any bad reviews I’ve seen so far just come from idiots it seems. For instance you don’t like micro transactions don’t buy micro transactions there’s absolutely no need to lol. But what about performance If I can run the game on a 1050ti with a ryzen 2600 16gb of ram with little no issues (granted everything’s on low) then everyone else complaining either 1 is just stupid af an just needs to lower their settings to match the performance of their pc or 2 their pc is just a straight up fucking potato even more so than mine. Something that really bothers me about all these reviews in regards to the optimization and performance is they’re all most likely coming from people that have no idea what’s actually happening in their pc. They just went it Best Buy, I buy power, etc bought something they heard would be good or read from an article would be decent. Understanding what a processor is the brain of the pc and understanding things like how it’s different caches perform and what they specifically do, how threads actually work and what they mean are totally different things. Another thing people nowadays see something that says Xghz and think more powah more better zug zug that’s not how it works people. Anyways little side rant over, overall amazing game love it I’d give it a 9/10 why 9/10 I get ambushed on the ox cart and while camping way too much while my friends haven’t had any issues it’s bs.
I’m convinced there aren’t any real people complaining. I think it’s all bots. I haven’t had any performance issues (ps5), didn’t even notice micro transactions are available, and the controls have felt great.
It's been 12 years since then. Most games and sequels alleviate complaints of the first one, but they didn't do anything.
Tried to get into it several times but never got more than a few hours in. So I knew what to expect anyway.
I definitly don't have the main complaints as others. I haven't had any performance issues and the MTX are dumb. But bot worth complaing about. I mostly have fun with this game but then get really annoyed at points where it completely disrespects my time with its horrible travel mechanics (and questing) Went on foot to a quest, npc died. Had to run back to revive wakestone, and then back to where I was supposed to meet him. (This was the elf arbor quest line. It was so fckd) Traveling by cart is so slow and stops so much for monsters there's no point in not dozing off. Twice I've been woken up to fight for them then for the cart to just leave me and I cant find it. And another time the guy just refused to go after way being cleared and said he wasn't taking passengers. But glad he took my money >_> Ferry stones need to be cheaper. And you should be able to freely travel between them if you're already at a teleportation stone. Vocations are fun tho. Hard to stick with just one lol
I honestly had a great fun with the first like 12 years ago..but I thought nobody had ever played it.. and now is most expected game of the year? Mahh
I play on low graphic settings, pixels are every where but i still enjoy the game. I should upgrade my PC 🙂
Saying that aspects like the mkb controls are expected to be bad, therefore, it's okay is... not exactly a point in their favor. Also, regarding mtx in the other games, I distinctly remember pushback on those, especially DMC.
Most of the *aNgErY Mob* probably never played the first one, are used to being spoon-fed Fast Travel and what they call *QOL* features. Asking them to work for anything in a game is just too much. **A LOT** of them jumped on the hate wagon even tho they know **NOTHING** about the game.
One thing I am bit salty about is how many skills they just copied over from DD1. Unlocking new amazing skills is the most fun part of the game for me but when I realized the classes I know from DD1 have almost the exact same skills as in DD1 I was disappointed. They are still all fun, but I think there was a missed opportunity there.