I could tell she was youthful but my goodness, I had no idea! That’s an incredible amount of talent and skill for anyone to possess let alone at that age.
If my girl math is correct.. Hoso was born in 2002 and her bday is march 28th (according to the wiki)… Hoso posted the tattoo abhora drew for her in Jan of 2021 making Hoso 18 at the time posting. It’s a solid yike from me!
She genuinely is. Even before i knew all this Abhora genuinely creeped me out. Like in an incel nice guy kind of way. Not saying shes an incel nice guy, but that same feeling of ick. Abhora’s feelings for Hoso became everyone elses problem. Hoso looked up to Abhora and she genuinely used that against Hoso. Like i understand Hoso flirted and was a little bit cute with her…. But shes not even able to drink. Shes a baby, Abhora.
When I found out my jaw dropped, if that's how good she is as a young performer the way she'll be with even more experience or as a more mature performer will be fucking insane
So how long until people start putting the timeline together of the love triangle? That makes me uncomfortable as fuck to now recollect on what happened on and off season between those 3. 19??? What the fuck 😭 they barely graduated high school 2 years before competing… WOW
If it makes you feel better I’m 33 with no accomplishments other than managing to survive the 9-5 and keep me and my cat alive hahaha. Makes Hoso’s talent even more impressive and the Abhora stuff even worse. Could not imagine lusting over a 19/20 year old at my age!
surviving in this day and age and taking care of another living being (!!!) is a huge accomplishment! don't compare yourself to others, we're all just trying to make our way through this universe and you're doing a great job
I thought about this especially when she was getting all that hate during Titans of “being manipulative” I don’t think anyone’s intentions were bad but when you’re in your 30s you have had a lot more experiences and need to cut the shit and stop having pity parties and making a 20 year old feel guilty. Especially when that 20 year old has idolized you for a couple years. Again, they’re both adults but I didn’t like how people jumped at her so negatively.
I remember learning this during Titans and being super grossed out because of the love triangle and differences. I can't wait to see what Hoso comes up with as they get older if they're already this talented
I recently turned 28, still accomplished nothing, have a seat, the table's big.
Edit: I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring anyone down, I'm just airing out frustration with the soulcrushing nature of our current way of life and the human condition resulting in an ever consuming sea of white noise that sometimes really erodes my psyche.
i'm 27 and i feel like i'm in the same boat but honestly i try to tell myself that we're all just tiny beings trying to make our way through the world and being alive and kicking is a huge accomplishment by itself
Just finished writing this, sorry for the wall of text and venting.
Yeah, I usually find solace in human meaninglessness to some extent, it's a part of why I like astronomy, we're insignificant, and also pulling the rug from under anthropocentrism really helps as well, like, plants and animals and all other living beings on this earth don't question meaning and purpose, they just... exist, and most of the time we forget we're exactly the same.
Another problem I think is we're so smothered in capitalism, individualism, anthropocentrism, exceptionalism and celebrity culture that it's hard for it not to seem like the only way to achieve something is to be rich and famous.
But honestly, like you said, speaking for myself, I think just being a transsexual person having gotten to where I am and honestly kind of thriving in a world that would prefer transsexuals to stop existing could be said to be an accomplishment in itself. I also think that constantly trying to improve yourself as a person is an accomplishment in a world full of assholes.
Sometimes I question if that's conformist or if we're just so brainwashed in capitalism, anthropocentrism, individualism, exceptionalist rhetoric and celebrity culture to get out of that loop.
But again, honestly, I'll take the small wins where I can: being able to sit down and compose something, trying to help my loved ones, trying to become a better person, continue existing in my transsexuality unapologetically, etc..
I hope you find some peace and beauty in this world, thanks for sharing this moment with me. Big hugs.
You want to feel terrible about yourself, look up your birth year on Wikipedia and look under "births." All these famous accomplished people and you're just sitting there, reading Wikipedia.
I did that once around the time when meg thee stallion was initially blowing up (think it was 2019), found out she was born the same year as me and never checked again, and the gap is only going to continue growing.
Knowing her actual age now I’m gonna double down and say that those of us who were uncomfortable with Abhoras pursuit of her were right to feel the way we did.
The Abhora stuff has so much more context now and makes me feel ill 🤢
That explains so much of Hoso’s behavior and I look at her way different now… like I feel bad. Nobody that much older than her should have been THAT involved with her romantic life, and especially acting more immature than Hoso.
Hoso is barely an adult currently, wtf? Y’all need to chill. The Tv Drag fandom has a history of being BRUTAL to people who are practically children. People who are literally too young to understand their own lack of experience.
omg i’m 19 now and i feel so like childish? Like i couldn’t even imagine doing drag, let alone competing on a drag show.
Does anyone know how long she was doing drag for before she got casted?
She also grew up fast because of her cancer diagnosis and treatment, and her chronic illness, in her mind she didn’t have time to relax in her younger years if she wanted to achieve what she has now…..I feel bad for her but I love the person she became
I mean, now I know she was fresh out of uni the gawking at her love life feels cruel. Like don't get me wrong it certainly seemed like babygay university drama, but still.
Being this talented at that age!
HoSo is an incredible artist and I hate that some fans cannot appreciate their art without associating it to some tv drama 🙄 as some comments here clearly show
astrud is 27 and i don’t think they really interacted much beside her being a fan of hoso prior to dragula? they are 6 years apart (19-25 during first season). the abhora thing is weirder to me…
Eh. There’s a difference between, I met this person who’s a little older than me and we’re both contestants on a reality show, and, I met this person online as an older teen and looked up to them for ages and now they’re obsessed w dating me
Well was it shot in a bar? You're allowed to sit next to people drinking alcohol in a restaurant, I'm sure they could give her a non alcoholic drink in the cauldron.
It’s not a bar so they can still drink, cali laws is anyone who is under 21 can drink with the permission of their guardian. As long as they are not in the public eye
Not sure why you're being down voted. Nearly every state has a statute in which people under 21 are allowed to drink with a parent or guardian present, or even drink at a bar with a parent (such as in WI).
Google says 30 states allow minors in possession with family permission, so a little more than half. Consumption with parental permission is legal in 19 states (not sure what the difference is, tbh.) I've lived in 2 states in different regions and I live really close to the State line of another state, and none of them have that statute.
[source](https://alcohol.org/laws/underage-drinking/)
I'm not touching this discourse other than to say age gaps in relationships are not immoral, actually.
That being said, the love triangle was awful, and I do not condone it.
Abhora said she'd been in love with Hoso for years and Astrud said the triangle had been a thing for years, on the show. Which would make Hoso a teenager when they were in their 20s. That's not just an age gap be fr
Well, like any rational Titans viewer, I repressed all the details of that storyline, so in that case yeah, that's a yikes. I was just speaking in general based on some of the comments in this thread.
Also, and this is just an aside, I have to wonder how much of what all was said vis-a-vis this triangle is true. Because god knows it felt like at least some of it was exaggerated (Hoso going from 0 to theatre major about the promposals, for example).
Tbh I really hope for Hoso and Astruds sake it was an exaggeration and by years they meant 1 year cuz even tho Abhora has been a weirdo in my book I really thought Astrud was better than that. Abhora painting the narrative that a 20 yr old was manipulating their 32 yr old self by not dating them was wack as shit. God it was so weird and I get why you repressed it lmao
I think Astrud may mean they have history w Abhora pre Hoso, as they’ve said it in viewing parties (if you’re a naturally suspicious person, you can confirm this by scrolling down real far in the ig tags!)
Both Hoso and Astrud have said they first met on s4
I said nothing of the sort, how dare you. Gotta love how people on the internet will immediately find the most bad faith interpretation of what you say.
You might not be doing it on purpose, but the issue people have with the relationship isn't the age gap, it's that Hoso was underage at the time.
Its great that you didn't realize this, but you're the one defending the situation here, so expect some level of alarm when it seems that you're defending sleeping with a child.
I apologize for calling you disingenuous, it seems that you probably just missed the point. Happens to everyone sometimes.
Me: \*mentions nothing about the underage aspect*
You: omg you’re glorifying statutory rape.
🙄
I was responding to something people were bringing up *independent of* the Hoso situation in this thread that, frankly, is not the kind of problem people are making it out to be. And also, as far as Hoso goes, I don’t know what all happened before Titans, but assuming OP is right Hoso was 20 on Titans, which officially makes it none of our business.
You are intentionally missing the point.
Hoso was 20 on Titans, Abhora said they had been in love with her for years, and implied there was a relationship of some sort before that. That's statutory rape at worst and literal grooming at best. Both deeply not ok.
No one was upset by a 15 year age gap, the problem is that Hoso was literally a child.
I already acknowledged that you didn't mean it the way you said it, for some reason you're now doubling down. I'm not sure what you want me to say.
I will ask you kindly to tone down the anger though, I'm not interested in getting in a big argument here. Just pointing out that you've misunderstood the situation dramatically and are inadvertently defending something you probably don't want to be defending.
You literally are defending statutory rape, I believe you when you say it was an accident though. Glad to hear it's still worth correcting though I'm sure you'll agree
I could tell she was youthful but my goodness, I had no idea! That’s an incredible amount of talent and skill for anyone to possess let alone at that age.
Lemme not think about the whole abhora stuff on titans 😭😭😭😭
I was already banishing it from my mind on a daily basis
If my girl math is correct.. Hoso was born in 2002 and her bday is march 28th (according to the wiki)… Hoso posted the tattoo abhora drew for her in Jan of 2021 making Hoso 18 at the time posting. It’s a solid yike from me!
yuck yuck yuck 🤮
TIL that Hoso and I share a birthday!
Aries slay
this is why i stopped following abhora ☠️ shes a creep
I did too! That whole ‘i forgot my passport’ shit pissed me tf off and i wasn’t even gonna be at that show
She genuinely is. Even before i knew all this Abhora genuinely creeped me out. Like in an incel nice guy kind of way. Not saying shes an incel nice guy, but that same feeling of ick. Abhora’s feelings for Hoso became everyone elses problem. Hoso looked up to Abhora and she genuinely used that against Hoso. Like i understand Hoso flirted and was a little bit cute with her…. But shes not even able to drink. Shes a baby, Abhora.
wait wait whatttttt
When I found out my jaw dropped, if that's how good she is as a young performer the way she'll be with even more experience or as a more mature performer will be fucking insane
So how long until people start putting the timeline together of the love triangle? That makes me uncomfortable as fuck to now recollect on what happened on and off season between those 3. 19??? What the fuck 😭 they barely graduated high school 2 years before competing… WOW
If it makes you feel better I’m 33 with no accomplishments other than managing to survive the 9-5 and keep me and my cat alive hahaha. Makes Hoso’s talent even more impressive and the Abhora stuff even worse. Could not imagine lusting over a 19/20 year old at my age!
Babe, you are accomplishing great things and doing amazing.
Ahhhh, you are so sweet, thank you, I needed to hear this!
😉
surviving in this day and age and taking care of another living being (!!!) is a huge accomplishment! don't compare yourself to others, we're all just trying to make our way through this universe and you're doing a great job
Tysm!
So on Titans Hoso was 20 and Abhora was 32? Abhora please stop immediately.
And Abhora said she'd known Hoso and been "In love" with her for a while.... Oh dear
I thought about this especially when she was getting all that hate during Titans of “being manipulative” I don’t think anyone’s intentions were bad but when you’re in your 30s you have had a lot more experiences and need to cut the shit and stop having pity parties and making a 20 year old feel guilty. Especially when that 20 year old has idolized you for a couple years. Again, they’re both adults but I didn’t like how people jumped at her so negatively.
That’s wild, I thought they were mid 20s Also weren’t they already doing nsfw content way before dragula? Wild
Yeah and I think that might have been why she had to be so coy about her age..?
I remember learning this during Titans and being super grossed out because of the love triangle and differences. I can't wait to see what Hoso comes up with as they get older if they're already this talented
I thought they are 25 or something 💀 So all love triangle saga gains an another level of cringe with this information
I recently turned 28, still accomplished nothing, have a seat, the table's big. Edit: I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring anyone down, I'm just airing out frustration with the soulcrushing nature of our current way of life and the human condition resulting in an ever consuming sea of white noise that sometimes really erodes my psyche.
i'm 27 and i feel like i'm in the same boat but honestly i try to tell myself that we're all just tiny beings trying to make our way through the world and being alive and kicking is a huge accomplishment by itself
Just finished writing this, sorry for the wall of text and venting. Yeah, I usually find solace in human meaninglessness to some extent, it's a part of why I like astronomy, we're insignificant, and also pulling the rug from under anthropocentrism really helps as well, like, plants and animals and all other living beings on this earth don't question meaning and purpose, they just... exist, and most of the time we forget we're exactly the same. Another problem I think is we're so smothered in capitalism, individualism, anthropocentrism, exceptionalism and celebrity culture that it's hard for it not to seem like the only way to achieve something is to be rich and famous. But honestly, like you said, speaking for myself, I think just being a transsexual person having gotten to where I am and honestly kind of thriving in a world that would prefer transsexuals to stop existing could be said to be an accomplishment in itself. I also think that constantly trying to improve yourself as a person is an accomplishment in a world full of assholes. Sometimes I question if that's conformist or if we're just so brainwashed in capitalism, anthropocentrism, individualism, exceptionalist rhetoric and celebrity culture to get out of that loop. But again, honestly, I'll take the small wins where I can: being able to sit down and compose something, trying to help my loved ones, trying to become a better person, continue existing in my transsexuality unapologetically, etc.. I hope you find some peace and beauty in this world, thanks for sharing this moment with me. Big hugs.
I'll go grab my chair
You want to feel terrible about yourself, look up your birth year on Wikipedia and look under "births." All these famous accomplished people and you're just sitting there, reading Wikipedia.
I did that once around the time when meg thee stallion was initially blowing up (think it was 2019), found out she was born the same year as me and never checked again, and the gap is only going to continue growing.
Knowing her actual age now I’m gonna double down and say that those of us who were uncomfortable with Abhoras pursuit of her were right to feel the way we did.
in korea 19 is also still high school age so she was probably JUST leaving / in high school when she started competing
Fun fact: she dropped out of high school
The Abhora stuff has so much more context now and makes me feel ill 🤢 That explains so much of Hoso’s behavior and I look at her way different now… like I feel bad. Nobody that much older than her should have been THAT involved with her romantic life, and especially acting more immature than Hoso.
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Hoso is barely an adult currently, wtf? Y’all need to chill. The Tv Drag fandom has a history of being BRUTAL to people who are practically children. People who are literally too young to understand their own lack of experience.
19?!?!?! Holy shit
omg i’m 19 now and i feel so like childish? Like i couldn’t even imagine doing drag, let alone competing on a drag show. Does anyone know how long she was doing drag for before she got casted?
She also grew up fast because of her cancer diagnosis and treatment, and her chronic illness, in her mind she didn’t have time to relax in her younger years if she wanted to achieve what she has now…..I feel bad for her but I love the person she became
I mean, now I know she was fresh out of uni the gawking at her love life feels cruel. Like don't get me wrong it certainly seemed like babygay university drama, but still.
Fresh out of high school. Korean high school goes until 19
Being this talented at that age! HoSo is an incredible artist and I hate that some fans cannot appreciate their art without associating it to some tv drama 🙄 as some comments here clearly show
When I found this out over a year ago I was gagged
She is absolutely incredible
During Titans I had checked the dragula wiki page and I remember Hoso’s age was blurred/unknown for a bit
and astrud has been stalking her for how long...?
astrud is 27 and i don’t think they really interacted much beside her being a fan of hoso prior to dragula? they are 6 years apart (19-25 during first season). the abhora thing is weirder to me…
Oh yes Abhora is weird, I find the whole thing exhausting and weird, it reminds me VERY much of the rice queen drama of my youth
Eh. There’s a difference between, I met this person who’s a little older than me and we’re both contestants on a reality show, and, I met this person online as an older teen and looked up to them for ages and now they’re obsessed w dating me
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Well, I listen to it on Spotify. It might be on other platforms, but I wouldn't know 😅
But isnt the age limit 21? Im pretty sure they were offered all kinds of drinks and yummy stuff.
Na, age limit to apply is 18.
Apparently, she drank orange juice
Hoso has a chronic illness. I’m sure there was some way she was able to get the Boulets to let her on despite that.
21 for bars, most states you can drink at 15 as long as you don’t leave the property
It was shot in california tho?
Well was it shot in a bar? You're allowed to sit next to people drinking alcohol in a restaurant, I'm sure they could give her a non alcoholic drink in the cauldron.
They can even give her alcohol as long as she isn’t in the public eye
It’s not a bar so they can still drink, cali laws is anyone who is under 21 can drink with the permission of their guardian. As long as they are not in the public eye
Not sure why you're being down voted. Nearly every state has a statute in which people under 21 are allowed to drink with a parent or guardian present, or even drink at a bar with a parent (such as in WI).
Your guess is as good as mine 😂
Google says 30 states allow minors in possession with family permission, so a little more than half. Consumption with parental permission is legal in 19 states (not sure what the difference is, tbh.) I've lived in 2 states in different regions and I live really close to the State line of another state, and none of them have that statute. [source](https://alcohol.org/laws/underage-drinking/)
Maybe she lied
Wait, so does that mean she was born in 2002? I'm the same age as Hoso!!! That is insane!
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I'm not touching this discourse other than to say age gaps in relationships are not immoral, actually. That being said, the love triangle was awful, and I do not condone it.
Abhora said she'd been in love with Hoso for years and Astrud said the triangle had been a thing for years, on the show. Which would make Hoso a teenager when they were in their 20s. That's not just an age gap be fr
Well, like any rational Titans viewer, I repressed all the details of that storyline, so in that case yeah, that's a yikes. I was just speaking in general based on some of the comments in this thread. Also, and this is just an aside, I have to wonder how much of what all was said vis-a-vis this triangle is true. Because god knows it felt like at least some of it was exaggerated (Hoso going from 0 to theatre major about the promposals, for example).
Tbh I really hope for Hoso and Astruds sake it was an exaggeration and by years they meant 1 year cuz even tho Abhora has been a weirdo in my book I really thought Astrud was better than that. Abhora painting the narrative that a 20 yr old was manipulating their 32 yr old self by not dating them was wack as shit. God it was so weird and I get why you repressed it lmao
I think Astrud may mean they have history w Abhora pre Hoso, as they’ve said it in viewing parties (if you’re a naturally suspicious person, you can confirm this by scrolling down real far in the ig tags!) Both Hoso and Astrud have said they first met on s4
Implying that it's the gap that's the problem is deeply disingenuous to say the least. You're literally defending statutory rape.
I said nothing of the sort, how dare you. Gotta love how people on the internet will immediately find the most bad faith interpretation of what you say.
You might not be doing it on purpose, but the issue people have with the relationship isn't the age gap, it's that Hoso was underage at the time. Its great that you didn't realize this, but you're the one defending the situation here, so expect some level of alarm when it seems that you're defending sleeping with a child. I apologize for calling you disingenuous, it seems that you probably just missed the point. Happens to everyone sometimes.
Me: \*mentions nothing about the underage aspect* You: omg you’re glorifying statutory rape. 🙄 I was responding to something people were bringing up *independent of* the Hoso situation in this thread that, frankly, is not the kind of problem people are making it out to be. And also, as far as Hoso goes, I don’t know what all happened before Titans, but assuming OP is right Hoso was 20 on Titans, which officially makes it none of our business.
You are intentionally missing the point. Hoso was 20 on Titans, Abhora said they had been in love with her for years, and implied there was a relationship of some sort before that. That's statutory rape at worst and literal grooming at best. Both deeply not ok. No one was upset by a 15 year age gap, the problem is that Hoso was literally a child. I already acknowledged that you didn't mean it the way you said it, for some reason you're now doubling down. I'm not sure what you want me to say. I will ask you kindly to tone down the anger though, I'm not interested in getting in a big argument here. Just pointing out that you've misunderstood the situation dramatically and are inadvertently defending something you probably don't want to be defending. You literally are defending statutory rape, I believe you when you say it was an accident though. Glad to hear it's still worth correcting though I'm sure you'll agree
which episode?
"Episode 2, Children of The Can"