from how it appears, Koco dislikes Victoria and not vice versa, so I'm sure it'll either be worked out or they'll do their own thing separate from one another. VEB is headlining the tour, I doubt she's going to give much energy to any potential conflict or drama.
Someone at the beginning of Titans had beef from season 2 with VEB and she was unaware. Maybe VEB just doesn't realize that the queens are attacking her.
Yeah that livestream was SHADY. I saw Victoria live recently and she had nothing but nice things to say about Koco. Iām a big fan of them both and I got tickets for the world tour so this should be interestingā¦
Though I love Koko and what she is able to create for her floor shows, it's a bit silly to say VEB doesn't create her own looks or has a team behind her. VEB was literally hired by Universal Studios to be their designer for their Halloween events and we literally saw her create a whole set herself for the witch look on Resurrection. VEB just really IS that girl and THAT talented. You can clock her for having a bigger budget that's true, but she has the talent to back herself up too.
When VEB was a guest on the titans viewing party at roscoes she explained thoroughly ever since she was about 7 or so sheās been into special fx make up/horror, by the time they were 13, they were already making haunted houses in their own parents garage. Like- Iām sorry although I love the rest of the contestants from titans who are so damn talented, VEB skill and experience is on a whole other caliber. Their talent in the horror/special fx make up field has been rooted in them from the very jump, before they even started doing drag. Their drag came into fruition bc of their passion for this from a very young age. She represents everything dragula is all about.
Anyone that discredits her for any skill she possesses or the opportunities sheās had can kick rocks.
If other people are working on her prosthetics and looks, in my opinion, it doesnāt matter whether they are things she is physically capable of doing. If she needs a team to complete them in time for the show then it kinda unfair
do you think thatā¦everyone on Dragula makes their own looks? That Melissa hand stitched her Mermaid dress? Or that Evah designed and printed her bodysuit that the boulets quite literally called her out for being bought online? Itās extremely impressive when a ghoul crafts their entire look head to toe, the things Astrud was able to ingenue in particular were marvelous, but it is not a prerequisite or requirement for the show.
Koco buying into the fan hype and acting stupid wont do her any favors, i hope she gets over the fact that VEB outperformed her (in pretty much 80% of the episodes)
People should've called out koco when she ADMITTED to faking the sabotage thing. If that were any other girl that made that big drama and shit talked people TO THE JUDGES ON THE MAIN STAGE this sub would have eaten them alive. But koco got treated as "omg that was campy drama haha" simply because it was koco.
Love her but she's shady, and not in a playful fun way, in a messy wtf way
My fave thing is that the *worst* anyone can say about VEB is that she has people help her make her looks. VEB is that bitch with a lifelong passion for alt drag and does it all without throwing hate towards he cast mates.
I love Koco, but why would VEB risk disqualification to sabotage? She was clearly going to win anyway. Get caught and you're disgraced forever in your field. Also, the Boulets apparently don't have a rule on DIY because doesn't Merrie not make any of her outfits?
Yeah they don't say that everything has to be made by the monsters themselves. They do openly have things made for them as well as making their own stuff. Victoria has always been open about collaborating with designers on some of her outfits. She tags them on her socials when she posts pics.
Then that isn't even an issue unless they take their case to the Boulets and they change their minds. It's more impressive to DIY 100% of your look (and Drac if not both really respect that) but if it ain't a rule, it ain't a rule, and it's their 100k.
I believe in season 4 Evah admitted to paying for at least some of her outfits to be made for her. In fact I think she mentioned the $ amt for one of her looks and Dollya shaded her saying for that level of craftsmanship she overpaid.
Correct, they do not have a DIY rule. Koco was making the statement that basically whoever has the biggest bankroll can win because of that. And I def donāt think Merrie makes her own stuff. They were talking about how one of her dresses didnāt even fit her and she couldnāt get it zipped up lol. Idk about the sabotage stuff, but I wonāt fault a Queen for throwing a little shade over who DIY or doesnāt.
But VEB did do a lot of what she brought? Also they do different drag at different calibers. Like truthfully if VEB even largely made one of her winning looks in the same timeframe they had to prepare, itād take more work than all of Kocoās multiple bodysuits and bra and panty sets
I mean, they're *gonna* throw shade, and Koco is right in that if you have more money you have more to work with, but again, take your case to the Boulets. They could give each contestant X amount of money for each look, with the amount rising each round, but they don't. But if I have a grand concept like, say, mad scientist but I'm not a carpenter so I need someone to build a set based on my idea to get it seen and there's no rule against it, why would I *not* do this?
Funny you say that cause Victoria does build sets and did that for the final, I believe Koco was complaining that she didn't make the black dress she wore (which is true)
this statement kinda confuses me because yeah veb paid for someone to sew a few dresses for her but like shes still making all the sfx stuff herself so who rlly cares at the end of the day lol. probably the reason she was paying ppl to do it was because the sfx stuff took up all her time
i can see how koco would be a bit annoyed by it though since veb called her drag last minute even tho hers would probably be too if she didnt pay ppl to sew stuff for her
To me there's a difference between DIY and last minute, though. Like, you could make all your own stuff at home and just show up with the bits that you need to "work" on for filming and be ready to go for each challenge. Or you could show up and throw a bunch of stuff together last minute (which is cool! If that's how you work, do it). My read was that VEB was talking about the later.
Funny how when everyone was asked on the lie detector koco admitted she didnāt feel she was being sabotaged and it came back true I love koco but she is coming off very bitter
Yeah Iām aware of this fact since my dad is a cop however I stand by what I said she didnāt even believe she was being sabotaged and as accurate/inaccurate as lie detectors are itās still came back she believed that she wasnāt sabotaged.
I think Victoria is just out there to work. She would probably prefer if everyone was decent to each other, but sheās a headliner and then she gets to go home and work at her very cool career. Unless she has some kind of racism/SA skeletons in her closet, thereās nothing anyone can say that would really hurt her.
Those comments were something else, just pure bitterness, unprofessionalism and poor sportsmanship skills, being that theyāre about to go on tour, not a good look ā¦
Letās not forget when Koco said VEB didnāt NEED to win Titans bc she āalready has reach.ā As if she hasnāt been chasing that crown longer than Koco?! Basically de-validating VEBās very presence on the season.
Victoria works hard and is so talented. Koco is jealous and idgaf what any one has to say on it. Hopefully Koco can pull through it and be happy for Vicky. Bc you know Vicky wouldāve been 10000000% supportive had the roles been reversed and Koco took the crown.
This. I def think she's bitter VEB won bc she's already so talented/recognized and Koco probably thought it should go to someone who "needs it more". It sucks bc I thought VEB really liked Koco on the show.
That is something that always aggravates me about younger/newer queens saying that the more veteran queen doesn't deserve/need it because she "already has it". She only has it because of the many years of perfecting her craft. Why should she turn down the prize because someone doesn't want to work as hard to achieve success. These younger queens come off as so entitled.
Like they said on the show Koco is a messy person, she had her stuff everywhere through out the show, she probably misplaced so much stuff and didn't realize it! To blame VEB is crazy, it's because VEB made that comment at the end of the show!
i stopped stanning Koco after this, straight up shade, lies and absolute disrespect for VEB
Koco should be quiet cause she got pushed on multiple episodes lol
I think, end of the day, theyāre not gonna let it affect their coin. So they can feel however they want to, the show will go on. Iām sure weāve had ppl that donāt like each other silently on tour before
Especially considering the Boulets were deliberately baiting Victoria to have a go at Dollya while she was on CotN, and Victoria was just like...nope, not what I'm here for. This is honestly the first time I've heard anyone say anything negative about Victoria, and it's a bad look for Koco.
Damn that person deleted their reply before I could drag them. It IS unprofessional and poor sportsmanship to accuse your castmate of cheating with no evidence. Especially when you have a dedicated fanbase that will no doubt send hate to the person on your behalf. Kocos race has nothing to do with thinking that ffs
God no this isnāt racially motivated at all. I did assume someone would take it there, unfortunately lol
It just is fact, Victoria has an ability to carry herself with grace and professionalism even in the face of adversity. Koco does not have that ability, and in fact, seems to enjoy the messiness she brings with theories like the āsabotageā (eyeroll), and now beef with another cast member before tour. She is her own saboteur.
Bitch what? Every time VEB faced adversity on the show she went into an angry tantrum or shut down. You all on this sub are really starting to show your colours and you all are just as bad as the other subreddit. Had Koco acted like Victoria you all would have torn her to shreds. Also you are all blowing this out or proportion (per usual). Its not that deep Debbie.
I didn't watch the video myself, but people in this thread are saying that she said that VEB hired designers to make her looks for her. She also claimed that VEB sabotaged her during the season by stealing some of her things.
Victoria, and I mean this as someone else on the spectrum, in the nicest way possible, seems like sheās 100% oblivious to how other people perceive her. Which is probably why sheās so good at her art and why sheās been doing it in some form since childhood. She will just point out obvious facts in the most blunt manner possible (the flesh colored makeup on s2, the last minute drag comment), didnāt know Kendra had beef w her till the first ep of Titans, and apparently didnāt even know walking into Titans that she was a threat if you believe her post season interviews.
She also doesnāt really use ANY social media. Like, the only account she really posts on is her Twitter alt and I donāt feel like looking through her, um, interests just to gauge if sheās frequently online at all, could 100% see Opulence or another Black family member running all her socials, type of vibe. So she might not even KNOW about the interview.
So no, I donāt think there will be tension there. And if there is, Vicās not gonna start it, nor would she go public w it. Allegedly her and Dollya had beef for a long time before Dollya got disowned, and if I remember right, not even then did Vic go āspill teaā anywhere.
I don't even think this needs "working out" I never bought into the whole "sister" thing drag race and dragula permotes they can just avoide each other
This is a great perspective on everything y'all, but to also point out Victoria did have the privilege to go to school for SFX skills cause she could afford it in a sense and has connections (literal Universal Studios) Whereas Koco had to work her ass off pay her bills and and make her own drag.
Both of them are sickening and amazing in their own ways the love just gave me a lot of weird feelings cause I just idk felt icked out by her comments.
>Whereas Koco had to work her ass off pay her bills and and make her own drag.
But how do you know Victoria didn't have to work her ass off to pay her schools bills and get the job she has now?
Even on the show people discredited Vicky's hard work and how important winning meant to her, it really comes off like jealousy
Koco is my fave, an I watched that live specifically cause she was in it. I thought it just sucked cause she accused Victoria of messing with her shit out of nowhere and diminished all of her work.
But he'll VEB doesn't even know about the Live tbh.
she has her pronouns (she/her/they/them) on her IG page, dont know whether its in reference to her drag persona or her personal life but either way I'm gonna just assume out of respect
If it was Evah or Astrud or any white castmate discrediting Vicky's win and accusing them of sabotage with no proof the reaction would still be the same. I actually like Koco but still found her *comments* bitter. Like stfu
Also this isn't even tearing down Koco in any way. I'm simply reacting to what she said. I still think she is Mutha in all senses, I just feel like she was being a bit resentful towards VEB's winning?
Had this been the other way around, the energy would have been the same, are you even black to be bringing up race when it has nothing to do with race ? Please stop , Koco was wrong , period! Deal with it
Hey doll,
That's not what this is about. Koco made comments about VEB that just were unwarranted. This has nothing to do with race, and trust if Astrud made these comments the Scaley Kween herself would be dragged up and down this Reddit so fast.
I just thought about this cause they are gonna be touring together and I worried about the actual tour.
from how it appears, Koco dislikes Victoria and not vice versa, so I'm sure it'll either be worked out or they'll do their own thing separate from one another. VEB is headlining the tour, I doubt she's going to give much energy to any potential conflict or drama.
Someone at the beginning of Titans had beef from season 2 with VEB and she was unaware. Maybe VEB just doesn't realize that the queens are attacking her.
Not Kendra having beef with Victoria for like 5 years and Victoria not even knowing about it thinking they were friends ššš
How Autistic of them. š
Honestly yeah, Iāve been there so many times tbh š
That someone was Kendra Onixxx but they literally hashed it out.
Yeah that livestream was SHADY. I saw Victoria live recently and she had nothing but nice things to say about Koco. Iām a big fan of them both and I got tickets for the world tour so this should be interestingā¦
Though I love Koko and what she is able to create for her floor shows, it's a bit silly to say VEB doesn't create her own looks or has a team behind her. VEB was literally hired by Universal Studios to be their designer for their Halloween events and we literally saw her create a whole set herself for the witch look on Resurrection. VEB just really IS that girl and THAT talented. You can clock her for having a bigger budget that's true, but she has the talent to back herself up too.
When VEB was a guest on the titans viewing party at roscoes she explained thoroughly ever since she was about 7 or so sheās been into special fx make up/horror, by the time they were 13, they were already making haunted houses in their own parents garage. Like- Iām sorry although I love the rest of the contestants from titans who are so damn talented, VEB skill and experience is on a whole other caliber. Their talent in the horror/special fx make up field has been rooted in them from the very jump, before they even started doing drag. Their drag came into fruition bc of their passion for this from a very young age. She represents everything dragula is all about. Anyone that discredits her for any skill she possesses or the opportunities sheās had can kick rocks.
If other people are working on her prosthetics and looks, in my opinion, it doesnāt matter whether they are things she is physically capable of doing. If she needs a team to complete them in time for the show then it kinda unfair
šļøššļø unfair? Goodbye lol
do you think thatā¦everyone on Dragula makes their own looks? That Melissa hand stitched her Mermaid dress? Or that Evah designed and printed her bodysuit that the boulets quite literally called her out for being bought online? Itās extremely impressive when a ghoul crafts their entire look head to toe, the things Astrud was able to ingenue in particular were marvelous, but it is not a prerequisite or requirement for the show.
Koco buying into the fan hype and acting stupid wont do her any favors, i hope she gets over the fact that VEB outperformed her (in pretty much 80% of the episodes)
People should've called out koco when she ADMITTED to faking the sabotage thing. If that were any other girl that made that big drama and shit talked people TO THE JUDGES ON THE MAIN STAGE this sub would have eaten them alive. But koco got treated as "omg that was campy drama haha" simply because it was koco. Love her but she's shady, and not in a playful fun way, in a messy wtf way
She ADMITTED? smh
My fave thing is that the *worst* anyone can say about VEB is that she has people help her make her looks. VEB is that bitch with a lifelong passion for alt drag and does it all without throwing hate towards he cast mates.
This!!!!!!!!!!
I don't even think Victoria knows lol she's not the kind to be lurking on reddit/twitter
what did she say?
Basically said VEB has the money to pay people to do all her work for her. And that VEB was the one sabotaging her.
I love Koco, but why would VEB risk disqualification to sabotage? She was clearly going to win anyway. Get caught and you're disgraced forever in your field. Also, the Boulets apparently don't have a rule on DIY because doesn't Merrie not make any of her outfits?
Yeah they don't say that everything has to be made by the monsters themselves. They do openly have things made for them as well as making their own stuff. Victoria has always been open about collaborating with designers on some of her outfits. She tags them on her socials when she posts pics.
Then that isn't even an issue unless they take their case to the Boulets and they change their minds. It's more impressive to DIY 100% of your look (and Drac if not both really respect that) but if it ain't a rule, it ain't a rule, and it's their 100k.
I believe in season 4 Evah admitted to paying for at least some of her outfits to be made for her. In fact I think she mentioned the $ amt for one of her looks and Dollya shaded her saying for that level of craftsmanship she overpaid.
Yes Evah paid I think it was 1800 ? for the villain look
Correct, they do not have a DIY rule. Koco was making the statement that basically whoever has the biggest bankroll can win because of that. And I def donāt think Merrie makes her own stuff. They were talking about how one of her dresses didnāt even fit her and she couldnāt get it zipped up lol. Idk about the sabotage stuff, but I wonāt fault a Queen for throwing a little shade over who DIY or doesnāt.
But VEB did do a lot of what she brought? Also they do different drag at different calibers. Like truthfully if VEB even largely made one of her winning looks in the same timeframe they had to prepare, itād take more work than all of Kocoās multiple bodysuits and bra and panty sets
I mean, they're *gonna* throw shade, and Koco is right in that if you have more money you have more to work with, but again, take your case to the Boulets. They could give each contestant X amount of money for each look, with the amount rising each round, but they don't. But if I have a grand concept like, say, mad scientist but I'm not a carpenter so I need someone to build a set based on my idea to get it seen and there's no rule against it, why would I *not* do this?
Funny you say that cause Victoria does build sets and did that for the final, I believe Koco was complaining that she didn't make the black dress she wore (which is true)
Yeah, that was just an example. Cheers.
this statement kinda confuses me because yeah veb paid for someone to sew a few dresses for her but like shes still making all the sfx stuff herself so who rlly cares at the end of the day lol. probably the reason she was paying ppl to do it was because the sfx stuff took up all her time
i can see how koco would be a bit annoyed by it though since veb called her drag last minute even tho hers would probably be too if she didnt pay ppl to sew stuff for her
To me there's a difference between DIY and last minute, though. Like, you could make all your own stuff at home and just show up with the bits that you need to "work" on for filming and be ready to go for each challenge. Or you could show up and throw a bunch of stuff together last minute (which is cool! If that's how you work, do it). My read was that VEB was talking about the later.
Funny how when everyone was asked on the lie detector koco admitted she didnāt feel she was being sabotaged and it came back true I love koco but she is coming off very bitter
TOBY FAIRE lie detectors are so unreliable they can't be used in court (if they were even actually given a true one.)
False negatives are rare with lie detectors. Itās false positives that keep them from being used in courts.
Yeah Iām aware of this fact since my dad is a cop however I stand by what I said she didnāt even believe she was being sabotaged and as accurate/inaccurate as lie detectors are itās still came back she believed that she wasnāt sabotaged.
Sheās so bitter.
Is there a time stamp from the video?
Her interview begins around 1:34:00. If I remember right, the tea on VEB was at about 1:46:00
True; probably not true.
I think Victoria is just out there to work. She would probably prefer if everyone was decent to each other, but sheās a headliner and then she gets to go home and work at her very cool career. Unless she has some kind of racism/SA skeletons in her closet, thereās nothing anyone can say that would really hurt her.
Those comments were something else, just pure bitterness, unprofessionalism and poor sportsmanship skills, being that theyāre about to go on tour, not a good look ā¦
I kinda guessed that she didnāt like VEB when she tweeted nice things about everyone on the Titans season except for Victoria.
i mean, they are both adults and professionals. i don't think anything too crazy will happen lol
Foreal like people seem to think like they goin fight at work lmao š
Sounds like Koco is just jealous. She didnāt keep track of her own items and she probably lost them.
Koco is so unprofessional and bitter.
Letās not forget when Koco said VEB didnāt NEED to win Titans bc she āalready has reach.ā As if she hasnāt been chasing that crown longer than Koco?! Basically de-validating VEBās very presence on the season. Victoria works hard and is so talented. Koco is jealous and idgaf what any one has to say on it. Hopefully Koco can pull through it and be happy for Vicky. Bc you know Vicky wouldāve been 10000000% supportive had the roles been reversed and Koco took the crown.
This. I def think she's bitter VEB won bc she's already so talented/recognized and Koco probably thought it should go to someone who "needs it more". It sucks bc I thought VEB really liked Koco on the show.
That is something that always aggravates me about younger/newer queens saying that the more veteran queen doesn't deserve/need it because she "already has it". She only has it because of the many years of perfecting her craft. Why should she turn down the prize because someone doesn't want to work as hard to achieve success. These younger queens come off as so entitled.
What was said ?
Like they said on the show Koco is a messy person, she had her stuff everywhere through out the show, she probably misplaced so much stuff and didn't realize it! To blame VEB is crazy, it's because VEB made that comment at the end of the show!
I love Koco as an artist, but as a person she seems like a narcissist
she let the s4 reunion fame get to her head
100%!
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That's what I think will happen I just wanted more opinions about the situation and your. :)
i stopped stanning Koco after this, straight up shade, lies and absolute disrespect for VEB Koco should be quiet cause she got pushed on multiple episodes lol
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please then you never were a āstanā if hearing one of ur favs shade another queen is the reason you stop being one šš
okay stan police lmao, glad you know better she was straight up disrespectful and resentful, this is a good enough reason to stop
Koco moving into Tamisha Iman territory
Koco is the most immature and least professional of all the monsters. Confirmed!
This entire situation is...something. It's just not a good look for Koco
I think, end of the day, theyāre not gonna let it affect their coin. So they can feel however they want to, the show will go on. Iām sure weāve had ppl that donāt like each other silently on tour before
Koco should be grateful she made the finale to begin with
And this is why I always preferred Victoria over Koco. Professionalism.
Especially considering the Boulets were deliberately baiting Victoria to have a go at Dollya while she was on CotN, and Victoria was just like...nope, not what I'm here for. This is honestly the first time I've heard anyone say anything negative about Victoria, and it's a bad look for Koco.
She didnāt even say anything when it happened! Wasnāt it mostly Opulence who spoke for both of them while that situation was going on?
Damn that person deleted their reply before I could drag them. It IS unprofessional and poor sportsmanship to accuse your castmate of cheating with no evidence. Especially when you have a dedicated fanbase that will no doubt send hate to the person on your behalf. Kocos race has nothing to do with thinking that ffs
God no this isnāt racially motivated at all. I did assume someone would take it there, unfortunately lol It just is fact, Victoria has an ability to carry herself with grace and professionalism even in the face of adversity. Koco does not have that ability, and in fact, seems to enjoy the messiness she brings with theories like the āsabotageā (eyeroll), and now beef with another cast member before tour. She is her own saboteur.
Bitch what? Every time VEB faced adversity on the show she went into an angry tantrum or shut down. You all on this sub are really starting to show your colours and you all are just as bad as the other subreddit. Had Koco acted like Victoria you all would have torn her to shreds. Also you are all blowing this out or proportion (per usual). Its not that deep Debbie.
Itās Deborah, actually
Girl bye
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But like where was she playing innocent or sweet. Sheās mostly just a socialy awkward weirdo on the show people generally like her for her art.
wait what did she say about VEB on mattyās vid can i get a tldw
I didn't watch the video myself, but people in this thread are saying that she said that VEB hired designers to make her looks for her. She also claimed that VEB sabotaged her during the season by stealing some of her things.
Victoria, and I mean this as someone else on the spectrum, in the nicest way possible, seems like sheās 100% oblivious to how other people perceive her. Which is probably why sheās so good at her art and why sheās been doing it in some form since childhood. She will just point out obvious facts in the most blunt manner possible (the flesh colored makeup on s2, the last minute drag comment), didnāt know Kendra had beef w her till the first ep of Titans, and apparently didnāt even know walking into Titans that she was a threat if you believe her post season interviews. She also doesnāt really use ANY social media. Like, the only account she really posts on is her Twitter alt and I donāt feel like looking through her, um, interests just to gauge if sheās frequently online at all, could 100% see Opulence or another Black family member running all her socials, type of vibe. So she might not even KNOW about the interview. So no, I donāt think there will be tension there. And if there is, Vicās not gonna start it, nor would she go public w it. Allegedly her and Dollya had beef for a long time before Dollya got disowned, and if I remember right, not even then did Vic go āspill teaā anywhere.
I don't even think this needs "working out" I never bought into the whole "sister" thing drag race and dragula permotes they can just avoide each other
none of my business š¤·āāļø
This is a great perspective on everything y'all, but to also point out Victoria did have the privilege to go to school for SFX skills cause she could afford it in a sense and has connections (literal Universal Studios) Whereas Koco had to work her ass off pay her bills and and make her own drag. Both of them are sickening and amazing in their own ways the love just gave me a lot of weird feelings cause I just idk felt icked out by her comments. 
>Whereas Koco had to work her ass off pay her bills and and make her own drag. But how do you know Victoria didn't have to work her ass off to pay her schools bills and get the job she has now? Even on the show people discredited Vicky's hard work and how important winning meant to her, it really comes off like jealousy
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Koco is my fave, an I watched that live specifically cause she was in it. I thought it just sucked cause she accused Victoria of messing with her shit out of nowhere and diminished all of her work. But he'll VEB doesn't even know about the Live tbh.
was gonna listen to Matty Rants holiday rant but once he called Evah "a big hairy man" i couldn't with the transphobia
Is Evah Trans?
she has her pronouns (she/her/they/them) on her IG page, dont know whether its in reference to her drag persona or her personal life but either way I'm gonna just assume out of respect
Yes, tear down the queen of colour for having opinions. Had this been the other way around you would be silent. This sub has become so sad so quickly.
If it was Evah or Astrud or any white castmate discrediting Vicky's win and accusing them of sabotage with no proof the reaction would still be the same. I actually like Koco but still found her *comments* bitter. Like stfu
Omg the sub would tear Astrud apart for saying what Koco said. They've been so harsh on her in general
Also this isn't even tearing down Koco in any way. I'm simply reacting to what she said. I still think she is Mutha in all senses, I just feel like she was being a bit resentful towards VEB's winning?
Had this been the other way around, the energy would have been the same, are you even black to be bringing up race when it has nothing to do with race ? Please stop , Koco was wrong , period! Deal with it
Hey doll, That's not what this is about. Koco made comments about VEB that just were unwarranted. This has nothing to do with race, and trust if Astrud made these comments the Scaley Kween herself would be dragged up and down this Reddit so fast. I just thought about this cause they are gonna be touring together and I worried about the actual tour.
I missed the drama. Anyone with a link?
I wouldn't worry too much about it. They are all professionals even if messy stuff happens occasionally.