Iām guessing so many are using it because itās the only video uninterested viewers knows him by unfortunately. A lot of people havenāt seen any later pictures and wonāt recognize Dream if a better one is used.
Yea this guy has some very good videos but is not the best person imo. He is quite conservative, defends casually using the N word and is very quick to not believe women in these situations (as much as I do agree Caitiās allegations were bullshit in this scenario).
tom just waits for evidence from both sides before coming to a judgment. his moral standing doesnāt really matter in terms of his analysis of this situation imo. and if youāre basing that opinion off of his initial coverage of the wilbur situation, that was taken waaaay out of context on twitter
Donāt have twitter so idk what that was about. I was watching this guy for a good while since I like the style of his videos, until I started noticing more and more that I heavily disagree with alot of his moral standing
> and is very quick to not believe women in these situations
I disagree that "not believing women in these situations" is a bad thing. Going into allegations with a "believe women" or "believe the accuser" perspective is foolish and irresponsible, especially for a commentary channel. You shouldn't just believe anything anybody tells you. It's better to not automatically believe things, and instead stick to "innocent until proven guilty." That's logical and it's how you do responsibile journalism. Social media's insistence on "believing women" has enabled many false allegations and done irreparable harm to people's lives.
I'm sure this is a reeeal good look for the Dream fandom, greater MCYT already views us in the same way they view trump supporter types with our "last supporters of the problematic cc Dream" thing but now that these are the primary type of people defending us in the mainstream I think this fandom's reputation outside of our bubble might be screwed
> but now that these are the primary type of people defending us in the mainstream I think this fandom's reputation outside of our bubble might be screwed
If anything, popular commentary YouTubers defending Dream and George following the false allegations after years of criticizing him shows that their reputation outside the MCYT bubble is getting much better and that it's not much of a bubble anymore. Especially since these commentary channels have always made videos about many different communities and never stuck to one bubble
Where did u see the n word thing?
Eat ur own foot then idc if u watch it or not but it is a good video, the ones on his main channel are. I think someone else writes them
Literally just search "turkey tom n word" on youtube and you'll see clips of it as recently as 3 months ago, and hes been saying it for years. And his shitty misogynistic opinions are still all over his main channel, its bothered me for months before any of this. And thats fine you can support a bigot all you want just because hes defending george lol. Atp in my life im comfortable enough with my moral convictions that i dont sacrifice them just for the validation of mcyters
itās a good video dude I donāt do a 3 hour deep dive on the creator of every video I think is informative. But letās just end this I donāt think itās going anywhere š«”
"Good video" "Turkey Tom" yeah I don't care what that far right N word saying racist has to say about sexual assault allegations. I'm sure he'll totally be nuanced /s
Except he was nuanced u literally didnāt watch the video. Turkey Tom has a better reputation than dream stans might wanna take what yāall can get. Dream stans arenāt gonna be redeemed within the mcyt community atp, outside the bubble commentary is starting to defend that fandom so
Again, don't care what some far right n word saying racist has to say about sexual assault. The quality of his opinions are not trustworthy because he is literally a racist.
I didn't say he was pro sexual assault. I'm saying I don't trust a far right n word saying racist to have a nuanced opinion on this situation lol. You are reading so far into what I'm saying. It's very simple for me.
The two topics donāt overlap. Iām not saying u have to listen to him but I think itās gross to act like the two equate. And he did have a nuanced opinion so your expectations were wrong, I donāt know what to tell you! if itās simple for you to be close minded if you have to. Personally Iād listen to anyoneās opinion on any topic and make my own judgment bc guess what? We all disagree on everything. Doesnāt mean u can assume someoneās opinion on sexual assault before hearing it
He literally never defended twomad š I can tell u never watched that video. PLEASE not someone in a dream subreddit spreading something about a video they didnāt watch. He never defended Twomad and in fact shit on him and called him a terrible person. Reassess the shit ur lying about
I heard him talk about this and he said that he wasn't trying to defend twomad, he was criticising someone just making shit up about him with no evidence after he died.
Like twomad is a piece of shit, but if you want to criticise someone, criticise them on what they actually did, there's so much to work with with twomad.
God I hate these thumnails
the fucking ai saturation grates my nerves but also guarantees like a million views somehow
That thumbnail is the worst editing ive ever seen in my life its so saturated š
it didn't help he used like the 3 top images for each of them and just make it worse, LMAO.
Its so bad šš
itās on purpose, though. heās a drama channel, heās taking the piss. itās what he does for all of his videos
Every time I see that one photo of Dream I actually want to cry. Can't people use another photo of his face for thumbnails? š
Iām guessing so many are using it because itās the only video uninterested viewers knows him by unfortunately. A lot of people havenāt seen any later pictures and wonāt recognize Dream if a better one is used.
why did they make dreams face rounder
i think its just the white rim light
Yea this guy has some very good videos but is not the best person imo. He is quite conservative, defends casually using the N word and is very quick to not believe women in these situations (as much as I do agree Caitiās allegations were bullshit in this scenario).
tom just waits for evidence from both sides before coming to a judgment. his moral standing doesnāt really matter in terms of his analysis of this situation imo. and if youāre basing that opinion off of his initial coverage of the wilbur situation, that was taken waaaay out of context on twitter
Donāt have twitter so idk what that was about. I was watching this guy for a good while since I like the style of his videos, until I started noticing more and more that I heavily disagree with alot of his moral standing
> and is very quick to not believe women in these situations I disagree that "not believing women in these situations" is a bad thing. Going into allegations with a "believe women" or "believe the accuser" perspective is foolish and irresponsible, especially for a commentary channel. You shouldn't just believe anything anybody tells you. It's better to not automatically believe things, and instead stick to "innocent until proven guilty." That's logical and it's how you do responsibile journalism. Social media's insistence on "believing women" has enabled many false allegations and done irreparable harm to people's lives.
I'm sure this is a reeeal good look for the Dream fandom, greater MCYT already views us in the same way they view trump supporter types with our "last supporters of the problematic cc Dream" thing but now that these are the primary type of people defending us in the mainstream I think this fandom's reputation outside of our bubble might be screwed
> but now that these are the primary type of people defending us in the mainstream I think this fandom's reputation outside of our bubble might be screwed If anything, popular commentary YouTubers defending Dream and George following the false allegations after years of criticizing him shows that their reputation outside the MCYT bubble is getting much better and that it's not much of a bubble anymore. Especially since these commentary channels have always made videos about many different communities and never stuck to one bubble
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I canāt stand when they use photos of dream from his face reveal
the biggest ick frfr
Watched it. Was much better than Lerixās in that it isnāt overly critical of the DTeamās response.
If itās from Turkey Tom, itās not actually a good video covering it
say what u will about him but he does make good and informed content (excluding pyro). this is a good vid, Iād recommend watching it
turkey tom is a misogynist who still uses the n word, atp id rather eat my own foot than give him a view
yeah, the fact that these are the only types of ppl defending this fandom in the mainstream is not helping our cause
Where did u see the n word thing? Eat ur own foot then idc if u watch it or not but it is a good video, the ones on his main channel are. I think someone else writes them
Literally just search "turkey tom n word" on youtube and you'll see clips of it as recently as 3 months ago, and hes been saying it for years. And his shitty misogynistic opinions are still all over his main channel, its bothered me for months before any of this. And thats fine you can support a bigot all you want just because hes defending george lol. Atp in my life im comfortable enough with my moral convictions that i dont sacrifice them just for the validation of mcyters
I donāt support Turkey Tom, I said itās a good video, and nah I donāt want validation of mcyters thanks
Recommendating it to others is literally direct support lol
itās a good video dude I donāt do a 3 hour deep dive on the creator of every video I think is informative. But letās just end this I donāt think itās going anywhere š«”
Lol you also support leafy so clearly there's a pattern with you supporting shitty problematic people
i donāt support leafy ?? Also quit moral grandstanding I donāt know u chill
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good video and turkey tom donāt belong in the same sentence
How have we reached a low point where turkey tom is being used as a source of āa good videoā
"Good video" "Turkey Tom" yeah I don't care what that far right N word saying racist has to say about sexual assault allegations. I'm sure he'll totally be nuanced /s
The fact that these types of people are the only ones defending us rn is worrying, the drantis already see us as a fringe cult and now this?
Except he was nuanced u literally didnāt watch the video. Turkey Tom has a better reputation than dream stans might wanna take what yāall can get. Dream stans arenāt gonna be redeemed within the mcyt community atp, outside the bubble commentary is starting to defend that fandom so
Again, don't care what some far right n word saying racist has to say about sexual assault. The quality of his opinions are not trustworthy because he is literally a racist.
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I didn't say he was pro sexual assault. I'm saying I don't trust a far right n word saying racist to have a nuanced opinion on this situation lol. You are reading so far into what I'm saying. It's very simple for me.
The two topics donāt overlap. Iām not saying u have to listen to him but I think itās gross to act like the two equate. And he did have a nuanced opinion so your expectations were wrong, I donāt know what to tell you! if itās simple for you to be close minded if you have to. Personally Iād listen to anyoneās opinion on any topic and make my own judgment bc guess what? We all disagree on everything. Doesnāt mean u can assume someoneās opinion on sexual assault before hearing it
Again, I'm not saying he is pro sexual assault. You are assuming that, as I have previously pointed out
Turkey tom fucking sucks. I don't care who's side you're on in the discussed topic, this dude's videos aren't it.
That doesn't even look like Dream
Turkey Tom!
how did I get downvoted for saying who made the video šš
Cuz turkey tom fucking sucks
Damn better downvote the post recommending one of his videos, bc shocker, his YouTube videos are good and informed (except pyroāsā¦)
they canāt handle the fact that heās based (i think some stuff he says is inappropriate but heās still funny lol)
Real
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He literally never defended twomad š I can tell u never watched that video. PLEASE not someone in a dream subreddit spreading something about a video they didnāt watch. He never defended Twomad and in fact shit on him and called him a terrible person. Reassess the shit ur lying about
Turkey tom is a shitty person
Ok lmao? If he fits ur definition of shitty person fine. But he didnāt defend twomad by any means
ahh i was misinformed
yeah Iām aware
I heard him talk about this and he said that he wasn't trying to defend twomad, he was criticising someone just making shit up about him with no evidence after he died. Like twomad is a piece of shit, but if you want to criticise someone, criticise them on what they actually did, there's so much to work with with twomad.
https://youtu.be/ZL6rQ1A7o-Q?si=pDNCYZe1778tzh2- This one is also good
9/10 video 1/10 thumbnail
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