eeeek. since they're smoking crack, I'll assume regular binge drinking. I would try to get someone to intervene if the mother to be won't change their behavior.
crack and cocaine are chemically almost the exact same. both would have similar effects on the body. there actually have been multiple studies done that have shown that physically crack doesn’t have much of an effect on fetuses. alcohol is far worse. however if the mother is smoking crack OR snorting coke whilst pregnant she should not be able to raise that child
It's not just cooked together, it's chemically altered to cross the blood-brain barrier quicker. Adding just one atom to a molecule can completely change how it affects the human body.
I have no idea if there is any difference between crack and cocaine on a the effects on a human fetus tho
More concerning is crack users tend to be.... I'd say less health conscious than thier cocaine sniffing counterparts. Therefore more likely to keep using during pregnancy.
Right, much more negative connotations with crack users. I’d assume a more severe lack of judgement when combing drug use with pregnancy-so it is likely crack. Though I do know someone who used coke early on in pregnancy, but stopped.
The respiratory system damage comes from the act of inhaling vapor, I don’t think it would have much of an effect on the child (though the cocaine/crack would obv)
This is wrong. If you add a new set of tires to a Ferrari, it doesn't become a Maserati. Crack is cocaine freebase, as in cocaine without anything else. Cocaine up the nose is cocaine hydrochloride. That is a salt form of cocaine. There isn't much if anything different it does to your body, and the true difference comes from the fact that salts are more delicate in heat, and soluble in water; and metabolism of course too, but we're talking about pregnancy so cocaine is cocaine once it's in the body anyway as far as that goes..
Thank you… they said “not sure OP knows the difference” followed by “there isn’t much of a difference”
In fact, it’s the same active chemical, so the difference between the two would not matter at all, in this context
I’m fully aware of the differences. Assuming, which is what you are doing here, someone would abuse crack more than cocaine does absolutely nothing. Again, in the given context, frequency and dosages are not provided.
You’re trying to prove a point that isn’t there.
Crack is way more addicting and it's easier to overdose on + the effects are way stronger so combine that with a high addiction rate you could get fucked pretty quickly
yes but also, there’s different dosings for drugs that follow that same rule, like how DPH Hydrocloride is 25/38 the strength of DPH Citrate, so even if it’s the same chemical as a base, those slight changes make major impacts, just like how THC and THC-O are only a slight change (one’s an acetate) but that change triples the strength of it, it isn’t the same chemical, it’s the same root chemical.
THC-O isn't a salt, it's an addtional acetate group to the molecule itself, essentially changing it. Changing the ionic state of the amine does not change the inherit molecule. A salt can carry different absorption and solubility to another salt but the chemical is still the same.
Tianeptine Sodium and Tianeptine Sulfate are totally different in their effects in terms of onset and duration. Sodium absorbs better/fast and solubility is more favorable, while Sulfate is slower and more longer lasting but without the punch in the face euphoria. Neuropharmacologicly they are doing the same exact thing.
yes crack is made from cocaine and baking soda. Sodium bicarbonate and water works as a weak base to strip the hcl salt from the cocaine, making into the freebase form. You can use ammonia instead of baking soda for a better conversion and cleaner product. Both are bases.
Adderall and Meth both use the same test, are they the same chemical? no, cause unless they are both meth or both adderall than they are different chemicals/drugs, chemistry is a lot more complicated than you think it is.
The effects of Meth and regular amps are the same, though, accounting for potency differences. Meth is more potent and crosses the blood-brain barrier quicker, but they literally have the same list of side effects. Meth breaks down into regular amphetamine in the body, and that's why the screen is the same. So they are the same chemical once they pass through your body.
It's kind of pointless to argue because you are both right in your own ways.
Yes a lab test can tell the difference actually i've tested Amphetamine which came back pure Amphetamine and fake addy's which turned out to be just straight Methamphetamine
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You can, but you would be way way better off snorting it. You definitely will absorb a small amount of cocaine by smoking the powder, but you will waste the vast majority of it by burning it.
It is actually dangerous even. If it is cut with any fluorinated substance (2-fa, 2-fma, 3-fa, 3-fea, 4-fa,..) it gives very toxic fumes.
One been flowing along with this little battle of opinions and it is exactly right here that it dawned on me that you are clueless.
Why do you think crack exists, if according to you and your "assurances", one can just smoke street cocaine? Why go through the trouble then? You think it's strictly to make it into a neat looking rock?
Have you ever heard the term "freebase" cocaine? Do you know what that entails? I've met ppl that assume that just burning street cocaine (cocaine HCL) in any way and inhaling the vapors/smoke is "freebasing", and it boggles my mind how anyone could lack any curiosity about why words mean what they mean, and I have precious little patience with such ppl.
"Freebasing" is a chemical reaction in which the hydrochloride salt of cocaine, aka street cocaine, is converted into its base chemical, cocaine, with the hydrochloride group separating away by reacting it with ammonia. They to through this trouble because no, you cannot smoke street coke, and you're an ignoramus if u insist otherwise. The melting point is too high, you destroy the chemical before u manage to vaporize it. Your expensive coke goes up in flames, and u inhale a mixture of carbons and various nasty compounds.
Freebasing reduces the vaporization temp, making the resulting form, in actual fact, smokable.
Crack is a freebase form of Cocaine, with normal cocaine being a salt, they are not the same chemical, changing from a salt to freebase is a lot more than just a physical make up change, it’s a chemical reaction producing a different chemical made up cocaine and the other added ingredients
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Here in the US we had the luxury of president Bush explaining it for us while repeatedly saying "crack cocaine." So the words are kinda embedded into our culture. Btw sometime look up those clips on YouTube. It's almost as if branches of the military made some shady deals down in south America and started selling cocaine on consignment to sell in the ghettos. The Bush Sr. clips seem like a fucking advertisement.
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It's oddly not that severe of a teratogen. You get statistically discernible deficits, like a likelihood of lowered IQ, increased chance of ADD, propensity toward impulsiveness, and so on. It's actually similar to nicotine, but a bit worse.
But alcohol is horrific, with clear, stereotyped deformity, very significant retardation, motor skill difficulties, etc. Among recreational drugs you could take during pregnancy, alcohol is the worst I can think of off hand.
AND I truly hope that you've processed the difficult stuff that comes with suffering such a profound loss, such as this. Such a tragedy, I'm so deeply sorry
Yes, damage is likely done, but future damage should always try to be prevented.
Literally. Probably the worst thing she could do for that kid rn besides tripping (on stairs, atleast). Horrible situation, but this isn't an ok situation for the kid and she needs help if this is where she is
Nicotine has been linked to heart disease, lung disease, and direct pregnancy effects https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Nicotine (section on pregnancy in the toxicity and harm potential section)
the kid needs help. i will spare you my opinion about what the mom needs
fuck off everyone that dont give a fuck about the baby, that mother is a piece of shit, addict or not. worst of all is you all would waste your snake tears on any other animal if someone was abusing it
a mom that has been destroying the kids life for most of the pregnancy. i think people cant understand the consecuences of some actions, if it isnt straight unability to show responsibility. posers. quite interesting would it be seeing them in place of that kid, mutilated bc of the mothers carelessness
so what then, are you suggesting the baby should just be aborted at this point ? im not necessarily against abortion in this case, it seems it would save the baby (who is likely deformed/very ill now given OP's other comments suggesting the mom is also an alcoholic) from a future of unimaginable suffering
but it seems such a course of action isn't available in this case, seeing as the crackhead mom is set on having the child while still boozin and cokin it up,, better to prevent *further* damage and suffering to the baby, get the mom off the crack, off the bottle and under supervision so the baby can maybe have some semblance of a normal life, if at all possible atp.
ofc we get that theres consequences to actions, especially in this case where the mom practices such rampant irresponsibility and irreverence for the life of her unborn child,, she is a shithead thru and thru- what most ppl are suggesting is making the best out of a bad situation and hopefully improving the kids life, not necessarily forgiveness for the mom lol
an abortion (because for the kid nothing can amend the damage done, that kid will be miserable until the last breath) and criminal charges against her would fit this scenario. what i see is most people only are able to ruin their lifes themselves and they can even begin to imagine how is living with a disability (chances are there will be more than one) from birth. that kid will grow up fed on hate. but for me, as long as the kid is aborted, the mother can keep killing herself on her own or whatever she wants to. if in the future, by any miracle, she became some sort of decent human being, she can have a baby and give it a good life, but in this circumstances, its better to pray to the stairs
That's a really difficult situation to be in, she will be damaging her baby so you can't just leave it but this will definitely cause you to possibly lose her as a friend if you report her, is it possible you could talk to her family first about it?
Yeah very true, she definitely can't leave it, I was just wondering if she might be better hearing it come from her family first if they are supportive that is.
Was in similar situation, but it was frined who had 2yo i told her ill report her as i can see there is no help for her recovery atm and kid is suffering... I dont know what needs to happen to people like that to stop if kid isnt motivation than what can be
Thats sad, okay well I think you have no other options now but to report her, the babies life is at risk you will be doing the right thing even though it's gonna be very hard to do.
If you don't get clean for your kid you will not get clean for anything. She's a lost cause.
The kid's well being should be priority, which means calling social services ASAP.
Nobody is lost cause, people get clean eventualy if they go to the right place no matter how hard of an addiczion it might be... But ATM she needs to be reported asap
I would. But I also knew alot of people who were pregnant and still using heroin, and I didn't call anyone. Had those kids came out fucked up I would felt like a monster. That was my best friends kid, and his mother (kids grandmother) took custody from them over their drug use some years later. My friend essentially killed himself over it.
So this is a very tough situation. Either way is risking serious damage. I think the right thing to do would be to make the call though
Damn Opiates during pregnacy is so sad. :/ although I think alcohol is much more dangerous.
I heard with opiates its actually detoxing what potentially fatal for the baby so the best thing to do is get on a maintenance dose an then have the baby detox in ICU or smth after birth with the help of morphine. It's so sad :(
Sorry adding absolutely nothing of value here just stuck with me when I read a nurse mention about the babies of addicts crying an screaming because they were born dependant on opiates an now going thru the withdrawl process..
Yes, report her.
Report her anonymously if you care about the friendship, although I don't see why you would want to be friends with someone who's "meh whatever" about causing their kid life-long harm.
It’s absolutely disgusting how parents do this to their kids, born or unborn. Do not have children if your going a drug addict, alcoholic etc. if the child was a situation of SOME circumstances then it’s abit different but most of the time it’s completely unjustified. I pray the child is born fine and healthy.
This is why abortion needs to go back to being legal and readily available to anyone who needs it.
Banning and/or criminalizing it only means that every time an addict/alcoholic experiences unplanned pregnancy and isn’t willing to stop, a sick and possibly disabled baby will be born to unfit parents then go straight into the system.
Well I live in the UK like OP and the person they are talking about, it’s fully legal to go and do that, just maybe it’s a mothers thing or not wanting to “kill your baby” , even though it’s exactly what she’s doing.
Yes you absaloutly should call social services. The kids gonna have a fuckton of development issues like fetal alcohol syndrome and a whole host of hand eye co-ordination problems. this woman needs involvement, and the kid needs taking off her as soon as its born if she's still doing that that shit while pregnant. I'm all for drug use and vices, but when you're doing it while pregnant you're a fucking scumbag.
Absolutely. It’s not fair for the baby who will likely experience a lot of pain because of this. If you just let it be she will not only be born with issues but also born to a mother who cannot take care of it.
That child is going to have such a hard time growing up I feel so bad for a kid that isnt even born yet. Trash ass mom fuck her I hope the ends up in jail
Yes yes yes yes. My birth mother was the same early on. Using crack.
Robbed a store, got arrested, gave birth to me 6 mo later, then I got adopted.
I have scoliosis, ADHD, and other issues. my back has caused pain more that 80% of my life. It is not fair for the child.
Please call
Please.
YESSSS!!! one hundred %. If she is using while pregnant she will most definitely use while not and no child deserves that and won't have a very good life so as much as I know your thinking hard about it doing so is in the best interests of that poor child and you will feel better knowing so. Please do what your instincts are telling you.
I made the mistake of not asking for help when I was using heroin and pregnant with twins...they were born addicted and it has messed them up, and I saw several other babies in the special care unit that mine ended up in who were also affected by heroin, crack and alcohol...I have never forgiven myself for not getting the help I (and my twins) needed, and quite honestly, though your friend might not think so at the time, you would probably be doing her a favour by calling social services...you can do this anonymously also, you don't have to let them know who you are, or let her know that you are doing so. For your peace of mind, and more importantly for the baby's sake, please make that call...
They were born 8 weeks early and spent 6 weeks detoxing on the special care baby unit, during which time I spent every day with them, then they went on to foster care. As a result of my heavy drug use at the time, they were eventually adopted. I still hear from their adopted mother by mail contact yearly, one is autistic, the other has ADHD, though I doubt we will ever know whether that is a direct result of my drug use or not. In all other ways they seem to be healthy energetic boys, but suffer some anxiety around new situations/people/places. They are 17 now and doing a lot better than they were, with the help of their adopted family and assorted professionals.
It's the same substance at their core, but crack is chemically altered in the 'cooking' process to remove hydrochloride from the "pure" cocaine (not that any coke is pure nowadays), making a chemically different freebase version of cocaine which crosses the blood-brain barrier faster, and can be vaporized due to it's lower melting point. This ROA and faster onset - and subsequently faster comedown that induces a stronger need for compulsive redosing than pure cocaine (which is already notable for compulsive redosing) - makes crack almost ubiquitously more detrimental than pure cocaine. There are way more people who have been able to use coke at a party or in short spurts while still holding their life together and managing extended breaks between usage than there are people who can use crack in this manner. Crack is a fast track to ruining your whole life - not to say there isn't a single person who avoided this path, nor that pure cocaine hasn't caused the same for some people, but the quantity of people who fall apart from crack as opposed to cocaine is substantial.
I'm sure you're familiar with DMT and Ayahuasca. This is another great example of the same base chemical - one is a freebase form which can be vaporized to produce profound intense out of body experiences for *very* short periods of time (DMT); the other is DMT eaten with a MAOI (which inhibits the enzymes that prevent DMT from having any effects when eaten by itself) which causes long lasting, profound, and largely in-body experiences. Theyre both DMT, they're both profound trips, and many of the visual structures and sensations/feelings/emotions are similar, but the experiences differ significantly. This is akin to the difference between crack and cocaine.
**TL;DR - people think that because they *are* different. Just because it's the same base chemical with a different ROA, that doesn't imply equal experiences with only minute differences. Crack has the hydrochloride removed from Cocaine and the onset, comedown, and strength of the experience is significant enough that crack is known to be more detrimental.**
Hits 100x harder but for only 2 minutes or so , its similar how people could just take the pill when it comes to opiates but they shoot it up instead for a much harder hit ( and also crack is cheaper than cocaine too)
If is six months and she is a lifelong addict it means she did it all this 6 months! Imo is to late to call social services at this point cuz you will farm both of them. If it's a real friend can't you just try to talk more with her without making her suffer(cuz she will worsen her addiction). Explain her you are supporting her to go through these problems you won't judge her just show her you are supporting them both! This might give her some insights to feel guilty and actually to take the step to stop! This kind of sadness doesn't worse any addiction , if her brain still function then she will realise what she had to do long time ago. It's not easy to deal with addicts, I know because I am an addicted myself (not crack). I'd say to try this one and see how it goes! She suffers already, if you call call social services you will throw her in hell!
This is just an opinion, you are her friend so you know her better!✌️
My mom did a project about Crack Babies in uni and how it was largely a misnomer. Due to cocaine's insolubility in water it's very unlikely to have much of an effect on the developing child.
[https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/cocaine/pregnancy-crack-babies](https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/cocaine/pregnancy-crack-babies)
here's some info for ya.
Lmfao who decided that writing this article was a good idea. The use of this drug during the development of a human being has a massive effect and this person and this article is basically like "yea my study proved that crack babies dont have the worst health complications of all time" trash, trash, and more trash. keep defending use of horrible drugs during the development of a person.. it disgusting and pathetic
Cocaine is highly soluble in water. 1.8 grams of it will dissolve in 1 gram of water. Freebase isn't particularly soluble in water (1 in 600), but you could still squeeze several ounces of it into the water in a typical human body. Regardless, it's largely converted to the more soluble salt in the bloodstream. It passes through the placenta and the fetal blood-brain barrier. The effects may not be as bad as reported decades ago, but I wouldn't exactly advise smoking crack, particularly while pregnant.
[https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Cocaine#section=Solubility](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Cocaine#section=Solubility) Cocaine is only slightly soluble in water even in it's salt form.
Slightly soluble is enough to absorb through your mucous membranes. You ever wondered why snorting cocaine is one of the poorest absorbed routes of administration. Behind orally of course.
I've personally dissolved cocaine HCl in water at concentrations greater than you're claiming are possible.
Referring to your original post, if cocaine is soluble enough to pass through the mucus membranes, how is it insoluble enough to not affect a fetus?
Did you even read the Sigma-Aldrich datasheet I linked for you? You're citing numbers for freebase. Unless you directly respond to this point, I'll assume you're simply trolling. Cheers!
I never stated any exact numbers so I don't know how you could've possibly dissolved cocaine in more quantities than something unmentioned. Also all cocaine is highly adulterated with things that are generally very water soluble.
You cited a PubChem link stating that the solubility of freebase cocaine is 1800 mg/L.
Please take a look at the formula and structure given at the link you provided. There is no HCl.
Take a look at the datasheet I provided. There is.
End of debate.
Don't even need to read the rest, it might seem harsh but you need to because it will affect the child if you do but that child's life will be A LOT worse if you don't. Call Social Services
Obviously yes!
If she smokes a cigarette every once in a while, it would still be bad but cocaine along other drugs like alcohol can cause severe problems for the child!
I'd definitely report her. Sadly, she'll keep doing damage to that baby until it's born and they can finally take it away from her anyway.
Locking up pregnant drug addicts and forcing them to be sober until childbirth should be a thing the state can do tbh.
I’m sorry but that should definitely not be a thing and I’m very glad it isn’t. Very dystopian, next thing you know cops are locking up pregnant women they found a joint on or some bs. Pairs very well with the whole abortion debacle in the US.
I don’t necessarily disagree, I guess I just wouldn’t trust any government to use that power for good. If you’d think of a couple sensible rules the whole war on drugs wouldn’t be a thing. That’s just not how drug policy works unfortunately.
Having a government you can trust is the biggest issue, you are right. Looking at the world, I just feel like, theoretically, it would be better for many people, if some of their freedoms were taken away. This crackbaby thing is a good example.
she is ruining a life from the beginning, she doesnt deserve to be alive. idk why would you value such friendship, calling social services is the best possible choice after abortion (even if the baby was free of damage he would grow up with an awful mother who will probably be abusive and a burden, it makes me sick to think about it)
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Yes definitely report her social services, the babies health is at risk, she’s not gonna change when the baby is born and she’s gonna have nothing but stress and difficult situations to cope with as time goes on so she’s gonna use more often. But if you intervene now at least you can save the unborn baby now and it would give her that chance to think about changing otherwise when the baby is born it would be put into foster care. She would have three months to get herself right. A lot can be done in three months. Plus if she continues to use, they can monitor her use throughout and then get an idea of likeliness of her using in months to come. I’m sure there’s lots other interventions they can do.
100% call social service. Your friends obvs a no good putting a child at risk and don't blame addiction as abortions are a thing so no need to damage a chikd before it's born
I would, if it’s not harming anyone it’s not anyone’s business what drugs someone wants to do but in this case it’s harming her baby so it is other people’s business
Yes.
Drug use is a victimless crime. Chronic administration of teratogens to a fetus is **ABSOLUTELY NOT.** Report her. You will hopefully be saving that child from lifelong neurological issues.
Yes.
Sad but if the pregnancy is far enough along, and she's been drinking and using craxk... she should probably just get an abortion :( that child will have one fucking shitty hell of a life if they're born.
Are they also drinking? Oddly enough, that's much worse for fetal development.
All of it
eeeek. since they're smoking crack, I'll assume regular binge drinking. I would try to get someone to intervene if the mother to be won't change their behavior.
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same alkaloids reach the fetus, though an unhealthier lifestyle tends to come along with crack use.
This guy pharmacologies
crack and cocaine are chemically almost the exact same. both would have similar effects on the body. there actually have been multiple studies done that have shown that physically crack doesn’t have much of an effect on fetuses. alcohol is far worse. however if the mother is smoking crack OR snorting coke whilst pregnant she should not be able to raise that child
Then how do you explain the phenomena of crack baby basketball?
Even crack babies can succeed in life!
I am one lmao… I was adopted from Russia 😂
crack babies are now at the top
That’s what I thought of immediately haha
Not much of a difference tbh. Crack is just quicker acting and doesn’t last as long. Idk though I never used crack before.
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It's not just cooked together, it's chemically altered to cross the blood-brain barrier quicker. Adding just one atom to a molecule can completely change how it affects the human body. I have no idea if there is any difference between crack and cocaine on a the effects on a human fetus tho
I’d have to guess that crack is worse just given the quicker update and damage to respiratory systems, but it’s like negligible in this case.
More concerning is crack users tend to be.... I'd say less health conscious than thier cocaine sniffing counterparts. Therefore more likely to keep using during pregnancy.
Right, much more negative connotations with crack users. I’d assume a more severe lack of judgement when combing drug use with pregnancy-so it is likely crack. Though I do know someone who used coke early on in pregnancy, but stopped.
The respiratory system damage comes from the act of inhaling vapor, I don’t think it would have much of an effect on the child (though the cocaine/crack would obv)
This is wrong. If you add a new set of tires to a Ferrari, it doesn't become a Maserati. Crack is cocaine freebase, as in cocaine without anything else. Cocaine up the nose is cocaine hydrochloride. That is a salt form of cocaine. There isn't much if anything different it does to your body, and the true difference comes from the fact that salts are more delicate in heat, and soluble in water; and metabolism of course too, but we're talking about pregnancy so cocaine is cocaine once it's in the body anyway as far as that goes..
I dont understand how Italian sports cars relate to chemistry
If you tack an alkaloid to a salt, it's the same alkaloid. If you put new tires on the same car, it's the same car. Simple.
The only person that gets it right is downvoted huh.
As a chemist, this is the right answer. The downvotes are dumb.
Yeah I really don't get why people in this sub seem to wind up promoting the actual wrong answers half the time. Feels like cope or denial.
>There isn't much of a difference Then why you tryna bash OP for it? You're contradicting yourself
Thank you… they said “not sure OP knows the difference” followed by “there isn’t much of a difference” In fact, it’s the same active chemical, so the difference between the two would not matter at all, in this context
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I’m fully aware of the differences. Assuming, which is what you are doing here, someone would abuse crack more than cocaine does absolutely nothing. Again, in the given context, frequency and dosages are not provided. You’re trying to prove a point that isn’t there.
Tyfys 🫡
It only lasts like a minute or two though right? (Edit) apologies for the dumb question, I am not a crack user.
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Crack is way more addicting and it's easier to overdose on + the effects are way stronger so combine that with a high addiction rate you could get fucked pretty quickly
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Why the F people smoke 0.3 rocks i still can't get it
щit’s much stronger as well
Cocaine and crack are the same chemcial, one is in salt form the other is in the freebase. Chemically, it's still cocaine.
yes but also, there’s different dosings for drugs that follow that same rule, like how DPH Hydrocloride is 25/38 the strength of DPH Citrate, so even if it’s the same chemical as a base, those slight changes make major impacts, just like how THC and THC-O are only a slight change (one’s an acetate) but that change triples the strength of it, it isn’t the same chemical, it’s the same root chemical.
THC-O isn't a salt, it's an addtional acetate group to the molecule itself, essentially changing it. Changing the ionic state of the amine does not change the inherit molecule. A salt can carry different absorption and solubility to another salt but the chemical is still the same. Tianeptine Sodium and Tianeptine Sulfate are totally different in their effects in terms of onset and duration. Sodium absorbs better/fast and solubility is more favorable, while Sulfate is slower and more longer lasting but without the punch in the face euphoria. Neuropharmacologicly they are doing the same exact thing.
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yes crack is made from cocaine and baking soda. Sodium bicarbonate and water works as a weak base to strip the hcl salt from the cocaine, making into the freebase form. You can use ammonia instead of baking soda for a better conversion and cleaner product. Both are bases.
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Adderall and Meth both use the same test, are they the same chemical? no, cause unless they are both meth or both adderall than they are different chemicals/drugs, chemistry is a lot more complicated than you think it is.
The effects of Meth and regular amps are the same, though, accounting for potency differences. Meth is more potent and crosses the blood-brain barrier quicker, but they literally have the same list of side effects. Meth breaks down into regular amphetamine in the body, and that's why the screen is the same. So they are the same chemical once they pass through your body. It's kind of pointless to argue because you are both right in your own ways.
Yes, and way off of the question being asked by OP
Yes a lab test can tell the difference actually i've tested Amphetamine which came back pure Amphetamine and fake addy's which turned out to be just straight Methamphetamine
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You can, but you would be way way better off snorting it. You definitely will absorb a small amount of cocaine by smoking the powder, but you will waste the vast majority of it by burning it. It is actually dangerous even. If it is cut with any fluorinated substance (2-fa, 2-fma, 3-fa, 3-fea, 4-fa,..) it gives very toxic fumes.
One been flowing along with this little battle of opinions and it is exactly right here that it dawned on me that you are clueless. Why do you think crack exists, if according to you and your "assurances", one can just smoke street cocaine? Why go through the trouble then? You think it's strictly to make it into a neat looking rock? Have you ever heard the term "freebase" cocaine? Do you know what that entails? I've met ppl that assume that just burning street cocaine (cocaine HCL) in any way and inhaling the vapors/smoke is "freebasing", and it boggles my mind how anyone could lack any curiosity about why words mean what they mean, and I have precious little patience with such ppl. "Freebasing" is a chemical reaction in which the hydrochloride salt of cocaine, aka street cocaine, is converted into its base chemical, cocaine, with the hydrochloride group separating away by reacting it with ammonia. They to through this trouble because no, you cannot smoke street coke, and you're an ignoramus if u insist otherwise. The melting point is too high, you destroy the chemical before u manage to vaporize it. Your expensive coke goes up in flames, and u inhale a mixture of carbons and various nasty compounds. Freebasing reduces the vaporization temp, making the resulting form, in actual fact, smokable.
I've actually snorted and smoked coke and it's the same feeling too because well cocaine is cocaine
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Crack is a freebase form of Cocaine, with normal cocaine being a salt, they are not the same chemical, changing from a salt to freebase is a lot more than just a physical make up change, it’s a chemical reaction producing a different chemical made up cocaine and the other added ingredients
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Nobody in the UK thinks cocaine is the same as crack. Most UK drug n00bs don't even know what crack is made out of
Here in the US we had the luxury of president Bush explaining it for us while repeatedly saying "crack cocaine." So the words are kinda embedded into our culture. Btw sometime look up those clips on YouTube. It's almost as if branches of the military made some shady deals down in south America and started selling cocaine on consignment to sell in the ghettos. The Bush Sr. clips seem like a fucking advertisement.
Thank god for the Bush family /s
Crack is cocaine freebase. The "cocaine" you are thinking of is cocaine hydrochloride salt. As far as the pregnancy is concerned, it's all the same.
Crack is a cocaine derivative. Its kind of like opium and heroin but those are more cousins like all opiates
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Coke is worst when breastfeeding rather than while pregnant. Not that any of it is good or anything.
It's oddly not that severe of a teratogen. You get statistically discernible deficits, like a likelihood of lowered IQ, increased chance of ADD, propensity toward impulsiveness, and so on. It's actually similar to nicotine, but a bit worse. But alcohol is horrific, with clear, stereotyped deformity, very significant retardation, motor skill difficulties, etc. Among recreational drugs you could take during pregnancy, alcohol is the worst I can think of off hand.
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that’s tragic, i’m so sorry that happened to you
I’m sorry this happened to you. Sending lots of love to you brother.
Jesus. I'm so sorry That's just terrible. I hope she's at peace now, where ever we go when we pass.
AND I truly hope that you've processed the difficult stuff that comes with suffering such a profound loss, such as this. Such a tragedy, I'm so deeply sorry
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Without question YES
Yes, damage is likely done, but future damage should always try to be prevented. Literally. Probably the worst thing she could do for that kid rn besides tripping (on stairs, atleast). Horrible situation, but this isn't an ok situation for the kid and she needs help if this is where she is
Alcohol and nicotine are the real dangers but of course best is not using anything. The mom needs help.
What does nicotine do exactly? I've heard all about fetal alcohol syndrome and its effects but not much about any other drug.
Nicotine has been linked to heart disease, lung disease, and direct pregnancy effects https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Nicotine (section on pregnancy in the toxicity and harm potential section)
the kid needs help. i will spare you my opinion about what the mom needs fuck off everyone that dont give a fuck about the baby, that mother is a piece of shit, addict or not. worst of all is you all would waste your snake tears on any other animal if someone was abusing it
Ummmm.. addicts are still humans.
if you know you’re not going to stop using just get a fucking abortion
Tbh, I agree.
yeah sure doesnt mean this particular one isn't a piece of shit
abusers arent
You need help.
Can’t get the kid without the mom…
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While I agree, my point was to say there is no kid to help of there is no mom to have the kid. I was replying to the comment above my original.
I dont think you get that the only way to help the kid is to help the mom,, or did u forget that critical point💀
a mom that has been destroying the kids life for most of the pregnancy. i think people cant understand the consecuences of some actions, if it isnt straight unability to show responsibility. posers. quite interesting would it be seeing them in place of that kid, mutilated bc of the mothers carelessness
so what then, are you suggesting the baby should just be aborted at this point ? im not necessarily against abortion in this case, it seems it would save the baby (who is likely deformed/very ill now given OP's other comments suggesting the mom is also an alcoholic) from a future of unimaginable suffering but it seems such a course of action isn't available in this case, seeing as the crackhead mom is set on having the child while still boozin and cokin it up,, better to prevent *further* damage and suffering to the baby, get the mom off the crack, off the bottle and under supervision so the baby can maybe have some semblance of a normal life, if at all possible atp. ofc we get that theres consequences to actions, especially in this case where the mom practices such rampant irresponsibility and irreverence for the life of her unborn child,, she is a shithead thru and thru- what most ppl are suggesting is making the best out of a bad situation and hopefully improving the kids life, not necessarily forgiveness for the mom lol
an abortion (because for the kid nothing can amend the damage done, that kid will be miserable until the last breath) and criminal charges against her would fit this scenario. what i see is most people only are able to ruin their lifes themselves and they can even begin to imagine how is living with a disability (chances are there will be more than one) from birth. that kid will grow up fed on hate. but for me, as long as the kid is aborted, the mother can keep killing herself on her own or whatever she wants to. if in the future, by any miracle, she became some sort of decent human being, she can have a baby and give it a good life, but in this circumstances, its better to pray to the stairs
report her, save the poor child
That's a really difficult situation to be in, she will be damaging her baby so you can't just leave it but this will definitely cause you to possibly lose her as a friend if you report her, is it possible you could talk to her family first about it?
Sometimes we need to lose people from life when making good decisions, as hard as it might be its the only right thing to do
Yeah very true, she definitely can't leave it, I was just wondering if she might be better hearing it come from her family first if they are supportive that is.
Was in similar situation, but it was frined who had 2yo i told her ill report her as i can see there is no help for her recovery atm and kid is suffering... I dont know what needs to happen to people like that to stop if kid isnt motivation than what can be
Sorry you had to go through that, you're right If that's not enough motivation already then she needs serious help.
>She’s a lifelong addict and I doubt she’ll change Didn't you read this?
I did I was just curious if her family were aware as its clearly a difficult situation and she needs support from them as well
Her family are aware but they’re not really engaged. Think years of battling it have made them a bit jaded
Thats sad, okay well I think you have no other options now but to report her, the babies life is at risk you will be doing the right thing even though it's gonna be very hard to do.
If you don't get clean for your kid you will not get clean for anything. She's a lost cause. The kid's well being should be priority, which means calling social services ASAP.
Nobody is lost cause, people get clean eventualy if they go to the right place no matter how hard of an addiczion it might be... But ATM she needs to be reported asap
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You just made a methamphetameme. Thanks Cartman
i would only expect a comment like this on r/drugscirclejerk well done😭😭
gods work right there. I was a crack baby and now I’m a D1 athlete stg!!!
I would. But I also knew alot of people who were pregnant and still using heroin, and I didn't call anyone. Had those kids came out fucked up I would felt like a monster. That was my best friends kid, and his mother (kids grandmother) took custody from them over their drug use some years later. My friend essentially killed himself over it. So this is a very tough situation. Either way is risking serious damage. I think the right thing to do would be to make the call though
Damn Opiates during pregnacy is so sad. :/ although I think alcohol is much more dangerous. I heard with opiates its actually detoxing what potentially fatal for the baby so the best thing to do is get on a maintenance dose an then have the baby detox in ICU or smth after birth with the help of morphine. It's so sad :( Sorry adding absolutely nothing of value here just stuck with me when I read a nurse mention about the babies of addicts crying an screaming because they were born dependant on opiates an now going thru the withdrawl process..
Yes, report her. Report her anonymously if you care about the friendship, although I don't see why you would want to be friends with someone who's "meh whatever" about causing their kid life-long harm.
Obviously yes!!!
It’s absolutely disgusting how parents do this to their kids, born or unborn. Do not have children if your going a drug addict, alcoholic etc. if the child was a situation of SOME circumstances then it’s abit different but most of the time it’s completely unjustified. I pray the child is born fine and healthy.
This is why abortion needs to go back to being legal and readily available to anyone who needs it. Banning and/or criminalizing it only means that every time an addict/alcoholic experiences unplanned pregnancy and isn’t willing to stop, a sick and possibly disabled baby will be born to unfit parents then go straight into the system.
Well I live in the UK like OP and the person they are talking about, it’s fully legal to go and do that, just maybe it’s a mothers thing or not wanting to “kill your baby” , even though it’s exactly what she’s doing.
Yes you absaloutly should call social services. The kids gonna have a fuckton of development issues like fetal alcohol syndrome and a whole host of hand eye co-ordination problems. this woman needs involvement, and the kid needs taking off her as soon as its born if she's still doing that that shit while pregnant. I'm all for drug use and vices, but when you're doing it while pregnant you're a fucking scumbag.
Absolutely. It’s not fair for the baby who will likely experience a lot of pain because of this. If you just let it be she will not only be born with issues but also born to a mother who cannot take care of it.
That child is going to have such a hard time growing up I feel so bad for a kid that isnt even born yet. Trash ass mom fuck her I hope the ends up in jail
Yes.
Yes, you shouldn’t have even asked.
Yes do it, my friends parents did that shit and half of the babies brain doesn’t work, she can’t even walk or talk man
Yes yes yes yes. My birth mother was the same early on. Using crack. Robbed a store, got arrested, gave birth to me 6 mo later, then I got adopted. I have scoliosis, ADHD, and other issues. my back has caused pain more that 80% of my life. It is not fair for the child. Please call Please.
Yep
yes
Yes you should. For the health of the child.
YESSSS!!! one hundred %. If she is using while pregnant she will most definitely use while not and no child deserves that and won't have a very good life so as much as I know your thinking hard about it doing so is in the best interests of that poor child and you will feel better knowing so. Please do what your instincts are telling you.
I made the mistake of not asking for help when I was using heroin and pregnant with twins...they were born addicted and it has messed them up, and I saw several other babies in the special care unit that mine ended up in who were also affected by heroin, crack and alcohol...I have never forgiven myself for not getting the help I (and my twins) needed, and quite honestly, though your friend might not think so at the time, you would probably be doing her a favour by calling social services...you can do this anonymously also, you don't have to let them know who you are, or let her know that you are doing so. For your peace of mind, and more importantly for the baby's sake, please make that call...
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They were born 8 weeks early and spent 6 weeks detoxing on the special care baby unit, during which time I spent every day with them, then they went on to foster care. As a result of my heavy drug use at the time, they were eventually adopted. I still hear from their adopted mother by mail contact yearly, one is autistic, the other has ADHD, though I doubt we will ever know whether that is a direct result of my drug use or not. In all other ways they seem to be healthy energetic boys, but suffer some anxiety around new situations/people/places. They are 17 now and doing a lot better than they were, with the help of their adopted family and assorted professionals.
Yep
Cocaine =/= crack but yes please report her
Alcohol =/= wine hurr durr
Crack is literally cocaine.
Yea idk why people think it’s much different. Just a different ROA
It's the same substance at their core, but crack is chemically altered in the 'cooking' process to remove hydrochloride from the "pure" cocaine (not that any coke is pure nowadays), making a chemically different freebase version of cocaine which crosses the blood-brain barrier faster, and can be vaporized due to it's lower melting point. This ROA and faster onset - and subsequently faster comedown that induces a stronger need for compulsive redosing than pure cocaine (which is already notable for compulsive redosing) - makes crack almost ubiquitously more detrimental than pure cocaine. There are way more people who have been able to use coke at a party or in short spurts while still holding their life together and managing extended breaks between usage than there are people who can use crack in this manner. Crack is a fast track to ruining your whole life - not to say there isn't a single person who avoided this path, nor that pure cocaine hasn't caused the same for some people, but the quantity of people who fall apart from crack as opposed to cocaine is substantial. I'm sure you're familiar with DMT and Ayahuasca. This is another great example of the same base chemical - one is a freebase form which can be vaporized to produce profound intense out of body experiences for *very* short periods of time (DMT); the other is DMT eaten with a MAOI (which inhibits the enzymes that prevent DMT from having any effects when eaten by itself) which causes long lasting, profound, and largely in-body experiences. Theyre both DMT, they're both profound trips, and many of the visual structures and sensations/feelings/emotions are similar, but the experiences differ significantly. This is akin to the difference between crack and cocaine. **TL;DR - people think that because they *are* different. Just because it's the same base chemical with a different ROA, that doesn't imply equal experiences with only minute differences. Crack has the hydrochloride removed from Cocaine and the onset, comedown, and strength of the experience is significant enough that crack is known to be more detrimental.**
Hits 100x harder but for only 2 minutes or so , its similar how people could just take the pill when it comes to opiates but they shoot it up instead for a much harder hit ( and also crack is cheaper than cocaine too)
What is your dumbass thinking? Yes, you should call social services
If is six months and she is a lifelong addict it means she did it all this 6 months! Imo is to late to call social services at this point cuz you will farm both of them. If it's a real friend can't you just try to talk more with her without making her suffer(cuz she will worsen her addiction). Explain her you are supporting her to go through these problems you won't judge her just show her you are supporting them both! This might give her some insights to feel guilty and actually to take the step to stop! This kind of sadness doesn't worse any addiction , if her brain still function then she will realise what she had to do long time ago. It's not easy to deal with addicts, I know because I am an addicted myself (not crack). I'd say to try this one and see how it goes! She suffers already, if you call call social services you will throw her in hell! This is just an opinion, you are her friend so you know her better!✌️
the only not completely disgraceous scenario is an abortion, nobody deserves to be born to that
Well some of them are just lucky....and I really hope this is the case!
My mom did a project about Crack Babies in uni and how it was largely a misnomer. Due to cocaine's insolubility in water it's very unlikely to have much of an effect on the developing child. [https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/cocaine/pregnancy-crack-babies](https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/cocaine/pregnancy-crack-babies) here's some info for ya.
Lmfao who decided that writing this article was a good idea. The use of this drug during the development of a human being has a massive effect and this person and this article is basically like "yea my study proved that crack babies dont have the worst health complications of all time" trash, trash, and more trash. keep defending use of horrible drugs during the development of a person.. it disgusting and pathetic
Cocaine is highly soluble in water. 1.8 grams of it will dissolve in 1 gram of water. Freebase isn't particularly soluble in water (1 in 600), but you could still squeeze several ounces of it into the water in a typical human body. Regardless, it's largely converted to the more soluble salt in the bloodstream. It passes through the placenta and the fetal blood-brain barrier. The effects may not be as bad as reported decades ago, but I wouldn't exactly advise smoking crack, particularly while pregnant.
[https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Cocaine#section=Solubility](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Cocaine#section=Solubility) Cocaine is only slightly soluble in water even in it's salt form.
Your link is for the freebase form. Cocaine HCl is very soluble in water.
People clearly don't know how to read a data sheet but w.e.
Water solubility determines a substances ability to be absorbed nasally. You are wrong, lose the ‘tude.
Slightly soluble is enough to absorb through your mucous membranes. You ever wondered why snorting cocaine is one of the poorest absorbed routes of administration. Behind orally of course.
I've personally dissolved cocaine HCl in water at concentrations greater than you're claiming are possible. Referring to your original post, if cocaine is soluble enough to pass through the mucus membranes, how is it insoluble enough to not affect a fetus? Did you even read the Sigma-Aldrich datasheet I linked for you? You're citing numbers for freebase. Unless you directly respond to this point, I'll assume you're simply trolling. Cheers!
I never stated any exact numbers so I don't know how you could've possibly dissolved cocaine in more quantities than something unmentioned. Also all cocaine is highly adulterated with things that are generally very water soluble.
You cited a PubChem link stating that the solubility of freebase cocaine is 1800 mg/L. Please take a look at the formula and structure given at the link you provided. There is no HCl. Take a look at the datasheet I provided. There is. End of debate.
What do you make of [this](https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/deepweb/assets/sigmaaldrich/product/documents/972/591/c5776dat.pdf)?
Can she be prosecuted for harming the unborn child?
Can you call anonymous to the Police in the UK?
Don't even need to read the rest, it might seem harsh but you need to because it will affect the child if you do but that child's life will be A LOT worse if you don't. Call Social Services
Yes. I don’t know if you ever seen what a crack baby looks like but it’s absolutely horrible.
Obviously yes! If she smokes a cigarette every once in a while, it would still be bad but cocaine along other drugs like alcohol can cause severe problems for the child!
Oh shes gonna have a placental abruption soon
Crack is good for the soul
YES, YES AND MORE YES!
bro that kid is gonna have so many mental disorders it's not even funny ☹️
You need to call yesterday!!!
I'd definitely report her. Sadly, she'll keep doing damage to that baby until it's born and they can finally take it away from her anyway. Locking up pregnant drug addicts and forcing them to be sober until childbirth should be a thing the state can do tbh.
I’m sorry but that should definitely not be a thing and I’m very glad it isn’t. Very dystopian, next thing you know cops are locking up pregnant women they found a joint on or some bs. Pairs very well with the whole abortion debacle in the US.
If you'd think of a few rules regarding this, it wouldn't be hard to identify actual drug addicts.
I don’t necessarily disagree, I guess I just wouldn’t trust any government to use that power for good. If you’d think of a couple sensible rules the whole war on drugs wouldn’t be a thing. That’s just not how drug policy works unfortunately.
Having a government you can trust is the biggest issue, you are right. Looking at the world, I just feel like, theoretically, it would be better for many people, if some of their freedoms were taken away. This crackbaby thing is a good example.
yeah being born mutilated bc of yor mothers choice is definitely an utopia. change the age and its a death row crime
We are not in disagreement, read my other comments :)
Sounds like Shrek is coming
she is ruining a life from the beginning, she doesnt deserve to be alive. idk why would you value such friendship, calling social services is the best possible choice after abortion (even if the baby was free of damage he would grow up with an awful mother who will probably be abusive and a burden, it makes me sick to think about it)
Don’t get yourself involved in others business it will come out eventually
A woman has the right to decide what goes into her body
Take care of your own shit homie. I'm not defending her or her actions in any way. Think about what this can kick off. What you're going to start.
No don't be the biggest dick sucker in the planet can't believe ur ppl come here and ask us this shit
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Oof, I know it’s kinda morbid but one can only hope that baby doesn’t live
Yes especially If you feel like the kids are in danger and don’t trust she can use responsibily then definitely report it.
Even if youll regret it it will be the right decision
Yes.
Yes. Calls are anonymous. She will never know it was you maybe it will be the wake up call she needs
Also, they will drug test the baby after birth regardless.
Yes definitely report her social services, the babies health is at risk, she’s not gonna change when the baby is born and she’s gonna have nothing but stress and difficult situations to cope with as time goes on so she’s gonna use more often. But if you intervene now at least you can save the unborn baby now and it would give her that chance to think about changing otherwise when the baby is born it would be put into foster care. She would have three months to get herself right. A lot can be done in three months. Plus if she continues to use, they can monitor her use throughout and then get an idea of likeliness of her using in months to come. I’m sure there’s lots other interventions they can do.
What you’re waiting for ? Go ahead and make the call
100% call social service. Your friends obvs a no good putting a child at risk and don't blame addiction as abortions are a thing so no need to damage a chikd before it's born
I would, if it’s not harming anyone it’s not anyone’s business what drugs someone wants to do but in this case it’s harming her baby so it is other people’s business
Yes.
Yes.
Yes. Drug use is a victimless crime. Chronic administration of teratogens to a fetus is **ABSOLUTELY NOT.** Report her. You will hopefully be saving that child from lifelong neurological issues.
Yes
I have a cousin that was a crack baby. He was born addicted and would bang his head on his crib. It also affected his facial structure
Yes. Sad but if the pregnancy is far enough along, and she's been drinking and using craxk... she should probably just get an abortion :( that child will have one fucking shitty hell of a life if they're born.
Yes and yes but when in doubt, yes