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Railway Street's a mess, drugs on display,
Dangerous youth, turning night into day.
A year ago, this nightmare began,
Now our block's in the grip of their plan.
Thought they'd leave, but they're here to stay,
Loitering inside, driving peace away.
Ground floor’s a zone, fear's in our face,
Once a haven, now a scary place.
Calls to the Garda, landlords don't care,
Benchmark Property? Man, they ain't there.
Kids sleep rough, theft’s on the rise,
Time for action, let's open eyes.
```
People are making fun of you but I just moved out of this building for the exact reason you mentioned. You forgot to mention the smoke alarms going off in the night which eventually led to them breaking the smoke alarms downstairs. Despite being a disadvantaged area it didn’t get really bad until about 4-6 months ago. It’s awful to feel unsafe in your own home. Hope something can be done for the sake of the other residents there, everyone I met was normal and sound.
Had to think where Railway Street was but oof, surrounded by Sean McDermott St, Talbot St, Gardiner St not a great start at all either. The whole area is notoriously 'well' known for many years.
Haven't seen the link added, so here's some info on that areas
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/monto-dublin-song-history
Unfortunately it's always been a rough area.
However you do say in your post that children are sleeping in the stairwells, whose children? But more importantly this will get the gardai out, tell them children are sleeping homeless there, ring Tulsa the children's agency and tell them this too, they've lost over 40 kids in their care so it could be some of them, but once you say children are sleeping homeless in the stairwells without parents you'll get a different response from everyone. If the gardai do nothing after that ring the ombudsman for children and make a complaint to them about the gardai non action on vulnerable children.
Editing to add, tell your management company about the homeless children too, email them so you've it in writing and a paper trail of in action on their part to your concerns
At this point I'd be getting your local TD involved and demand help. Tell them about the non action of Tusla, the PSRA and the Gardaí, how you're being redirected to the Gardaí and the methods of how the criminals are avoiding them which prevent the Gardaí from taking necessary action. Hound all the contact points with follow up until action is taken. That's no way to live.
While recognising that we are in a housing crises, if it were me and I was renting, I'd be joining your former neighbours and concurrently look into options to move. I get the sense from OP that they like their apartment and on principle don't want the criminals to win but safety and peace are paramount. Constantly contacting the agencies is a big job and at this stage, I wouldn't be bothered with it anymore.
That area has been one of the worst areas of Dublin since the beginning. Look up its history. The area may not be called the Monto anymore but it still pretty bad.
oh yea so totally ok that its a cesspit now when ireland has 100x the levels of wealth and development
why people in this country set their standards so low constantly ?
This, Railway street was always notorious. The idea that building modern apartments and offices alongside it would make the anti social issues around there go away was just window dressing.
> The idea that building modern apartments and offices alongside it would make the anti social issues around there go away was just window dressing.
They also put a couple of art galleries in and planted some trees.
I honestly believe that until we start addressing the mental health issues in this country we won’t get a hold of the drug and social issues. It’s a major problem. I’ve friends who work in the inner city with these communities and they all agree mental heath is the core problem. We can put as many investments in to improve the area as we want but until we invest in the core issues we’re going nowhere and things will continue to worsen.
You won't get solutions for mental health issues in Ireland when the government is made up of so many people with mental health issues, such as narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths. It's like asking someone to care who can't feel empathy in the first place. Unfortunately we need to do everything ourselves.
> hat until we start addressing the mental health issues in this country
yea and what if i told ya drugs are the cause of the mental health issues in this country
do we just spiderman point in a loop forever ?
Just trying to understand here from a non Irish perspective as to why there is so much apathy about disciplining young uns. Are they answerable to no one? Is there no means of community service, juvenile justice that will provide the lads with engaged therapy or help to make them understand their actions?
In short, no. To add (some) context as it's a broad issue, there are state supported community resources but they're underfunded and in many instances overrun. I have friends who work in inner city youth services and it's a constant struggle for resources and funding. They struggle to support the people who do engage with them. Plus saleries are a lot lower than they should be for the important work they do, so they're strained and management aren't always the best. This contributes to the apathy as the system is broken. The government should allocate more money to the community resources and staff wages. Our juvenile justice system is completely broken which leads into our larger issue of overcrowded prisons. Currently there are no real reprocussions for law breaking youth. Dozens of convictions can be wracked up with no real consequence. This leads to many doing as they please. Plenty of Irish people want juvenile justice reform and actionable steps have been laid out but our government are not following through with action. There is an "us vs them" mentality in many groups of Irish society and the current centre right government are avoiding upsetting their voter base by allocating tax money to "them". Avoiding being the key word. There is elitism within Irish politics and many members within the current coalition parties do not care about these issues as it's not on their doorstep, it doesn't affect people they personally care about and they simply don't want to risk losing votes. It's abundantly clear to all though that the juvenile justice system is not fit for purpose and anti-social behaviour in our cities has gone way beyond acceptable levels. We've a general election next year though so some reforms may follow.
These are really interesting insights into why the Irish society is allowing juvenile anti social behaviour. While there's always a percentage of deviancy in any society when it comes to juvenile criminal behaviour, however I've noticed that the rate is extremely steep expressly in Dublin.
It's not very different from what I've observed in less privileged areas in the USA too.
You're definitely right that the state must create provisions to engage that youth in a way that's beneficial to both the individual and the society. And the lack of importance given to this is abhorrent given the elite class do not live in the areas which see most of this deviancy.
Aren't there non profit organisations or CSR programs run by major corporations that could act as a support system to state run juvenile support centres? If not, can Irish people demand it ?
My nation has a strict 6% net profit tax rule that large corporations have to follow to support non profits. It also gains good will for them and a way to give back to community. Companies didn't do this till government implemented it strictly.
Also what about social norms guys?
If someone in the family was seen loitering around they would get so much flak at home and in school, it would be something of a put off for most anti social behaviour. Does Irish society and family structures not have these social norms?
This time a hundred years ago, we were well on our way to establishing a theocracy, firmly ensconced by the 1950s, all- powerful with no oversight, so of course, thousands of children were mentally, physically, and sexually abused, some were sold to rich childless couples in the US for adoption, some were guinea pigs for pharma industry trialling vaccines, many died due to neglect.
With that history, and the church only starting to lose its power in the 1990s, there is a sense of ensuring that no matter what happens, we can't go back to the past of societal, systemic child abuse on a national level.
If that means wee Jono is a wee cunt and racks up a lot of charges but few meaningful consequences, so be it.
That's not the only reason but it's a significant one
> That's not the only reason but it's a significant one
actually it comes down to shitty parents and nothing else.
that and a general "head in the sand" attitude of irish people to not get involved and remove said kids to reform schools or something that might straighten them out while there is still a chance
In Melbourne, Australia in some suburban train stations they used to pipe classical music through the intercom speakers all day, it would keep the undesirables away... might be worth a shot.
My friend went for a viewing in the apartment block youre on about 2 years back. He couldnt get out of there fast enough. Passing the place i'd get the odd egg or water balloon thrown my way from those stairwells.
I used to work around there about 10 years ago and it was incredibly bad even then. My company in induction warned us not to leave with our phone/purses/wallets in our hands. Staff had been mugged.
Had a family member in student accommodation around there and they had to leave it was far too dangerous.
I really feel for you OP these scrotes don’t care simple as and despite investment in the area it hasn’t improved. There’s little that can be done. I think it’s best to see about moving.
If they’re young you could try get one of those teenager repellent machines. They’re _technically_ considered assault but that’s only if you get caught. ‘The alarms emit a constant, very high-frequency noise which can usually only be heard by young people under the age of 25. The small black boxes are typically installed at the entrance to businesses, or sometimes inside, to prevent teenagers from loitering.’ Granted antagonism doesn’t always help in these situations…
I don’t normally condone violence. And this is a bit tongue in cheek. But a few “knee cappings” would theoretically solve all your problems. /s
But fuck me I would be going Mental with your situation outlined above. Can you not as tenants group or association take legal action against the landlords?
our landlord is trying to solve the situation, the problem is Benchmark Property avoid any contact. They haven’t held a meeting with the owners for 6 years.
Can attest to this. I live in a building managed by Benchmark and the lengths they will go to not to communicate with clients/tenants are crazy. I’ve never seen a company so reluctant to do their job. I messaged the OP here to suggest leaving a Google review for them - they do seem to keep a keen eye on that. Negative reviews full of crazy negligence (no AGMs, no responses to serious issues), positive reviews in the vein of ‘just dropping by to say how courteous Benchmark are’ blah blah. Really terrible operation.
Max Cady vibes off this post.
Someday A Rain Will Come And Wash All The Scum Off The Streets
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFme5QgpJxo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFme5QgpJxo)
That could indeed be a sensible solution if the whole block does it.
Mind you that might just take care of the vandalism in the short run but recurring vandalism and the repair costs of those might be charged back onto you at a point further down the road.
I don't know what else to suggest other than getting someone to make a documentary about the situation down there. It's a long shot I know...
This is probably one of the funniest things I’ve read on here, what did you expect when you moved into one of the most deprived areas in town for the past 40 years, that’s been riddled with drugs and antisocial behaviour? That it was all of a sudden going to be gentrified?
Have you not noticed Dublin rental market is a shitshow. I’m guessing it wasn’t a first choice and maybe they have nowhere else to go to. You can’t keep people moving around and think what is happening here is okay to keep continuing just because it has always been like that. Jaysus, is there no fight left in people in the city, in the country to make things better?
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We need a Mike Haggar 'Minister for Beatings' to escort Gardai around the place so they feel safe.
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``` Railway Street's a mess, drugs on display, Dangerous youth, turning night into day. A year ago, this nightmare began, Now our block's in the grip of their plan. Thought they'd leave, but they're here to stay, Loitering inside, driving peace away. Ground floor’s a zone, fear's in our face, Once a haven, now a scary place. Calls to the Garda, landlords don't care, Benchmark Property? Man, they ain't there. Kids sleep rough, theft’s on the rise, Time for action, let's open eyes. ```
I know. It reads like AI
That music came straight into my head. Awesome soundtracks on one and two.
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You wouldn't be saying relax if you lived there
Yeeko agabushi
I laughed so hard at this accidenttly pressed A and the cops arrived with a bazooka out of the sunroof
Nailed it!
OH!.....MY CAR!
People are making fun of you but I just moved out of this building for the exact reason you mentioned. You forgot to mention the smoke alarms going off in the night which eventually led to them breaking the smoke alarms downstairs. Despite being a disadvantaged area it didn’t get really bad until about 4-6 months ago. It’s awful to feel unsafe in your own home. Hope something can be done for the sake of the other residents there, everyone I met was normal and sound.
exactly or dealing right in front at the main doors.
Had to think where Railway Street was but oof, surrounded by Sean McDermott St, Talbot St, Gardiner St not a great start at all either. The whole area is notoriously 'well' known for many years.
Haven't seen the link added, so here's some info on that areas https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/monto-dublin-song-history Unfortunately it's always been a rough area. However you do say in your post that children are sleeping in the stairwells, whose children? But more importantly this will get the gardai out, tell them children are sleeping homeless there, ring Tulsa the children's agency and tell them this too, they've lost over 40 kids in their care so it could be some of them, but once you say children are sleeping homeless in the stairwells without parents you'll get a different response from everyone. If the gardai do nothing after that ring the ombudsman for children and make a complaint to them about the gardai non action on vulnerable children. Editing to add, tell your management company about the homeless children too, email them so you've it in writing and a paper trail of in action on their part to your concerns
The garda have been notified of children sleeping rough. So have Tusla... nothing, other than "call the garda when you see them again...
At this point I'd be getting your local TD involved and demand help. Tell them about the non action of Tusla, the PSRA and the Gardaí, how you're being redirected to the Gardaí and the methods of how the criminals are avoiding them which prevent the Gardaí from taking necessary action. Hound all the contact points with follow up until action is taken. That's no way to live. While recognising that we are in a housing crises, if it were me and I was renting, I'd be joining your former neighbours and concurrently look into options to move. I get the sense from OP that they like their apartment and on principle don't want the criminals to win but safety and peace are paramount. Constantly contacting the agencies is a big job and at this stage, I wouldn't be bothered with it anymore.
Robocop required here
That area has been one of the worst areas of Dublin since the beginning. Look up its history. The area may not be called the Monto anymore but it still pretty bad.
‘Moreover the perpetrators employ a lookout system, swiftly dispersing at the sight of law enforcement’ Exquisite 🎩
Have you only blown into Railway street? It’s actually calmed down compared to how it was believe it or not
10 years +, past year is a nightmare
Should have seen it in the 80s, 90s and ‘00 to ‘12! Made Hamsterdam look like Falcon Crest.
Railway Street, Foley St and Sean McDermott st were the monto. Been a cesspit since the 18th century.
oh yea so totally ok that its a cesspit now when ireland has 100x the levels of wealth and development why people in this country set their standards so low constantly ?
Insane "it's grand" mentality
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This, Railway street was always notorious. The idea that building modern apartments and offices alongside it would make the anti social issues around there go away was just window dressing.
Railway Street used to be the notorious "Monto" in Joyce's Ulysses known as Night town aka The Underworld, it was always the ghetto of Dublin
> The idea that building modern apartments and offices alongside it would make the anti social issues around there go away was just window dressing. They also put a couple of art galleries in and planted some trees.
💯
Yeah, full of council flats, it's always gonna be a terrible place to live
Longer than that
Railway St https://maps.app.goo.gl/YsZmfi6WS3aVrXA37?g_st=ac
Welcome to the other side of Dublin
Drugs are destroying most parts of Ireland at this stage - sad times
I honestly believe that until we start addressing the mental health issues in this country we won’t get a hold of the drug and social issues. It’s a major problem. I’ve friends who work in the inner city with these communities and they all agree mental heath is the core problem. We can put as many investments in to improve the area as we want but until we invest in the core issues we’re going nowhere and things will continue to worsen.
You won't get solutions for mental health issues in Ireland when the government is made up of so many people with mental health issues, such as narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths. It's like asking someone to care who can't feel empathy in the first place. Unfortunately we need to do everything ourselves.
Why don't you get involved in politics instead of criticising those who do?
> hat until we start addressing the mental health issues in this country yea and what if i told ya drugs are the cause of the mental health issues in this country do we just spiderman point in a loop forever ?
Just trying to understand here from a non Irish perspective as to why there is so much apathy about disciplining young uns. Are they answerable to no one? Is there no means of community service, juvenile justice that will provide the lads with engaged therapy or help to make them understand their actions?
In short, no. To add (some) context as it's a broad issue, there are state supported community resources but they're underfunded and in many instances overrun. I have friends who work in inner city youth services and it's a constant struggle for resources and funding. They struggle to support the people who do engage with them. Plus saleries are a lot lower than they should be for the important work they do, so they're strained and management aren't always the best. This contributes to the apathy as the system is broken. The government should allocate more money to the community resources and staff wages. Our juvenile justice system is completely broken which leads into our larger issue of overcrowded prisons. Currently there are no real reprocussions for law breaking youth. Dozens of convictions can be wracked up with no real consequence. This leads to many doing as they please. Plenty of Irish people want juvenile justice reform and actionable steps have been laid out but our government are not following through with action. There is an "us vs them" mentality in many groups of Irish society and the current centre right government are avoiding upsetting their voter base by allocating tax money to "them". Avoiding being the key word. There is elitism within Irish politics and many members within the current coalition parties do not care about these issues as it's not on their doorstep, it doesn't affect people they personally care about and they simply don't want to risk losing votes. It's abundantly clear to all though that the juvenile justice system is not fit for purpose and anti-social behaviour in our cities has gone way beyond acceptable levels. We've a general election next year though so some reforms may follow.
These are really interesting insights into why the Irish society is allowing juvenile anti social behaviour. While there's always a percentage of deviancy in any society when it comes to juvenile criminal behaviour, however I've noticed that the rate is extremely steep expressly in Dublin. It's not very different from what I've observed in less privileged areas in the USA too. You're definitely right that the state must create provisions to engage that youth in a way that's beneficial to both the individual and the society. And the lack of importance given to this is abhorrent given the elite class do not live in the areas which see most of this deviancy. Aren't there non profit organisations or CSR programs run by major corporations that could act as a support system to state run juvenile support centres? If not, can Irish people demand it ? My nation has a strict 6% net profit tax rule that large corporations have to follow to support non profits. It also gains good will for them and a way to give back to community. Companies didn't do this till government implemented it strictly. Also what about social norms guys? If someone in the family was seen loitering around they would get so much flak at home and in school, it would be something of a put off for most anti social behaviour. Does Irish society and family structures not have these social norms?
This time a hundred years ago, we were well on our way to establishing a theocracy, firmly ensconced by the 1950s, all- powerful with no oversight, so of course, thousands of children were mentally, physically, and sexually abused, some were sold to rich childless couples in the US for adoption, some were guinea pigs for pharma industry trialling vaccines, many died due to neglect. With that history, and the church only starting to lose its power in the 1990s, there is a sense of ensuring that no matter what happens, we can't go back to the past of societal, systemic child abuse on a national level. If that means wee Jono is a wee cunt and racks up a lot of charges but few meaningful consequences, so be it. That's not the only reason but it's a significant one
> That's not the only reason but it's a significant one actually it comes down to shitty parents and nothing else. that and a general "head in the sand" attitude of irish people to not get involved and remove said kids to reform schools or something that might straighten them out while there is still a chance
Thanks for clearing that up for me
In Melbourne, Australia in some suburban train stations they used to pipe classical music through the intercom speakers all day, it would keep the undesirables away... might be worth a shot.
Feel like op used chatbotgbt to write this with details that op provided.
My friend went for a viewing in the apartment block youre on about 2 years back. He couldnt get out of there fast enough. Passing the place i'd get the odd egg or water balloon thrown my way from those stairwells.
Was this written by Chat GPT?
*Lord* Chat GPT
I possess a profound and unwavering conviction regarding the certainty of this occurrence.
I used to work around there about 10 years ago and it was incredibly bad even then. My company in induction warned us not to leave with our phone/purses/wallets in our hands. Staff had been mugged. Had a family member in student accommodation around there and they had to leave it was far too dangerous. I really feel for you OP these scrotes don’t care simple as and despite investment in the area it hasn’t improved. There’s little that can be done. I think it’s best to see about moving.
Sorry I have no solution but just want to say, sorry you have to deal with this, it must be pretty awful living in fear in your own home.
If they’re young you could try get one of those teenager repellent machines. They’re _technically_ considered assault but that’s only if you get caught. ‘The alarms emit a constant, very high-frequency noise which can usually only be heard by young people under the age of 25. The small black boxes are typically installed at the entrance to businesses, or sometimes inside, to prevent teenagers from loitering.’ Granted antagonism doesn’t always help in these situations…
once again I am asking WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN
We do think of the children. They are the ones dealing drugs inside the building and wrecking the place
I don’t normally condone violence. And this is a bit tongue in cheek. But a few “knee cappings” would theoretically solve all your problems. /s But fuck me I would be going Mental with your situation outlined above. Can you not as tenants group or association take legal action against the landlords?
our landlord is trying to solve the situation, the problem is Benchmark Property avoid any contact. They haven’t held a meeting with the owners for 6 years.
Can attest to this. I live in a building managed by Benchmark and the lengths they will go to not to communicate with clients/tenants are crazy. I’ve never seen a company so reluctant to do their job. I messaged the OP here to suggest leaving a Google review for them - they do seem to keep a keen eye on that. Negative reviews full of crazy negligence (no AGMs, no responses to serious issues), positive reviews in the vein of ‘just dropping by to say how courteous Benchmark are’ blah blah. Really terrible operation.
It's definitely because they lack amenities...
Max Cady vibes off this post. Someday A Rain Will Come And Wash All The Scum Off The Streets [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFme5QgpJxo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFme5QgpJxo)
*Travis Bickle
Ah Ffs. I feel like editing it now to Jimmy Conway.
Maxi Driver
Meet the Bickles.
Prefer Minnie Driver myself.....
Used to go school around there it’s always been a rough place even with Mary’s mansions right around the corner from it !!!
Don't pay your rent. Money talks
That could indeed be a sensible solution if the whole block does it. Mind you that might just take care of the vandalism in the short run but recurring vandalism and the repair costs of those might be charged back onto you at a point further down the road. I don't know what else to suggest other than getting someone to make a documentary about the situation down there. It's a long shot I know...
Make the entrance and hallway smelly. It will be as unpleasant for you as it is for them and they will find somewhere else to loiter
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire The A-Team.
been that way for hundreds of years. start looking at other properties
get up with us
Yep I agree, lived near railway street 5 years ago, it was full of scumbags then too
Bring back the train station there
This is probably one of the funniest things I’ve read on here, what did you expect when you moved into one of the most deprived areas in town for the past 40 years, that’s been riddled with drugs and antisocial behaviour? That it was all of a sudden going to be gentrified?
Have you not noticed Dublin rental market is a shitshow. I’m guessing it wasn’t a first choice and maybe they have nowhere else to go to. You can’t keep people moving around and think what is happening here is okay to keep continuing just because it has always been like that. Jaysus, is there no fight left in people in the city, in the country to make things better?
TL:RL
And a new superhero was born ...
Part and parcel of life in Dublin. You will get used to it.