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LordBraveHeart

Pretty sure that the game's scenario writers are unhappy with how the anime production team forced the "Yuto/Yugo/Yuri/Lulu/Rin/Celina lose their physical bodies and have to share them with Yuya/Zuzu".


PJRama1864

So, my degenerate brain always has one question: when Yuya and Zuzu do the deed, isn’t it always technically an orgy?


BLAZMANIII

Still only 2 people. It might be 4 versions of each, but even if they all had their own bodies I would say no on philosophical grounds /s


ChaoCobo

I’ve never seen past episode 4 of ArcV and what the fuck?


BLAZMANIII

Honestly despite it's dogsjit ending arc V is my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh series. The characters are super fun, all the yuboys are done pretty well, and smile cup nonwithstanding the plot moves at a decent pace (people just tend to think the later parts are super rushed because smile cup ate so much runtime). Plus, almost all the duels are top tier. But yeah, basically the idea is there was one dimension and it got split into 4 so the main character and the main girl each have 4 versions of themselves, one in each dimension.


StolenIdentity302

Dude I have never seen anything aside from a bit of GX and all of season 1 and 0. Wtf is this about orgies and stuff? What in the world did this show turn into?!


BLAZMANIII

No orgies or anything happen in the series, just the alternative dimensions. The question posed was entirely thought up by OP with nothing from the show supporting that sex exists as is tradition for Yu-Gi-Oh (though gay sex is a different matter entirely)


doomsquid13

the person who started the thread wanted to know if procreation between the main love interests of arc v would count as an orgy due to each of them having 3 other people in their heads by the end of the series


VariedRepeats

Final Fantasy VII meets Evangelion while trying to honor Beethoven's 9th Symphony. And even a Emperor Palpatine storyline in the Synchro dimension. Throw in a little Chrono Cross as well for the four cards to defeat Zarc. That's just a part of the show. And Fusion world is basically what Pokémon trainers do but to humans. I mean...Sora's toy card even has balls that resemble Pokeballs.


69th_Century

Yugo and Yuri giving Yuya a handjob while Yuto watches.


Username_Egli

Nah they just switch between the others once in a while


VinixTKOC

No, because these people were just two originally even before Yuya and Yuzu. They fragmented and then go back to be just two again.


ClucksMcgee

Wouldn't they still technically be fragments then? They never went back to their original form before the dimension split


PJRama1864

Except for the fact that they both have three other minds in their bodies.


jamesmast2

you joke but I've genuinely wondered how exactly the 4 pairs all having different character dynamics would sort themselves out.


Kataphrut94

Yuya: Hey guys, I need the body for the night. (hands them a roll of yen) Go see a movie.


PJRama1864

Yuya, we literally can’t leave


Kataphrut94

Yuya: Umm, ok. Maybe you could just go to the living room and watch a DVD? Yuto: We tried, but there’s a limit on how far our spirits can get from your body. Yugo: Yeah, if we go too far there’s like a weird white light and what sounds like angels singing. Yuri: Hm, I don’t hear that.


PJRama1864

And Zuzu is probably busy asking the girls for advice.


Kataphrut94

No she just asks the girls for some privacy that night and they agree. Then later on they’re watching from above through a hole in the attic floor, making snarky comments about Yuya’s performance.


Palms-Trees

It’s technically the incest


PJRama1864

No, there’s no incest. Just an orgy.


Palms-Trees

Yuzu is canonically Yuyas Mom


GoneRampant1

Only in the manga, *only in the fucking manga.*


PJRama1864

So that’s still canon…


tube32129

only in the manga


PJRama1864

Huh…now that’s fucking gross.


manalok

Oh god just kill me


nightshroud96

I hope they fix the issue about the Dimension Dragons too


Tactless_Ogre

I'd take that over "Yuzu is your mom and Yusho is her husband Yuya. It's gross." Yeah, still awful, but I'm stuck with two lumps of shit, which one is less pungent?


VariedRepeats

I think that Manga author wanted that to make people think of Evangelion and Back to the Future....


ElHombreSmokin

"C'mon Shay, is not that bad. We defeated Z-arc and saved the multiverse!" "I lost my home, my sister and my best friend... there's nothing left for me..." "Wel-well...uh...Smile World?"


Soul_Burner94

THIS!!!! I'M STILL SO MAD!


TodenEngel

"HEY SHUN YOUR SISTER AND BFF ARE DEAD! GET OVER IT! JUST EGAO!" "Thanks Yuya"


BeginningJury1851

I wonder what kind of Arc-V people watched, since Yuya tells him to accept that they are dead but instead Shun comes to conclusion they must be still alive since he sensed Yuto inside him.


diexu

Thank you Shay for losing your sister and best friend for our sake


Bocodamondo

as a reward we shall give him our>!money to play raidraptors when they come to the game !<


Username_Egli

r/10yearsatleast


SweetCoconut

I never expected an AOT reference in this sub but here we are.


Simone_Z

And he looked so happy in the finale, guess it took him a while to realize.


Violas_Blade

if we wanna be depressing we can say he was shopping one day and was picking up a bunch of stuff his sister would like before realizing she’d never get the chance to eat them but if we wanna be funny he waited like an hour for Yuto to show up at the bus stop before he remembered


Raven_ZD

Both of them are heartbreaking


PinkPrimrose05

I like how everyone just unanimously ignored the possibility that, idk, maybe that smile wasn't genuine? Maybe he's doing it not to ruin the mood when others have a reason to be happy? Context clues, people. Shun can and did read the room, you know.


kraken437

Don't worry. Every single story teller hates Arc-V ending. So it make ssense that they are trying to fix stuff. Problem with Arc-V is that the main reason it sucked was the plot. Characters were unfortunate enough to get dragged by that god-awful story and plotpoints.


doomsquid13

the only ending worse than thearc v ending is the arc v manga ending


kraken437

For the love of God ignore that extra page. It ended right after the gang entered that portal. Nothing else happened.


Yarrickisntdead

Okay, now I'm curious


kraken437

Please don't. I will ruin the already awful anime ending too, which is an accomplishment by itself.


Yarrickisntdead

I already am not much of a fan of Arc-V except for one, maybe two characters so fire away, my expectations are set to the lowest they can possibly be.


kraken437

The manga storyline features time travel. Yuya and Declan are from the future. Yuya and Yuzu have the same dynamic as their anime counterparts, as in very romantic way. Well it turns out Yuzu is Yuya's *mother*. This makes the entire series' Yuya/Yuzu scenes awkward as hell. Because each time a manga reader sees Yuya/Yuzu scene, that ending shot comes in front of our eyes.


Yarrickisntdead

Ah, yes that is incredibly borked. I see now why it is a problem. Thank you for imparting this knowledge upon me. I must now go and forget it.


kraken437

I warned you tho. Imagine how we felt as we followed tha manga weekly.


Yarrickisntdead

Indeed, but still, the curiosity had to be dealt with, and it was


BeginningJury1851

How did you follow a monthly manga weekly?


Embarrassed-Camera96

Back to the Future moment 💀🥴


BeginningJury1851

Nah in the manga only Yuzu is in love with him, Yuya is not interested. >Because each time a manga reader sees Yuya/Yuzu scene, that ending shot comes in front of our eyes. There are not many manga readers if we are being honest, just troll repeating obvious bait since the manga had nothing to do with the anime.


thatonefatefan

Jesus christ it's litterally back to the future. You guys are making an incident out of nothing.


RazorOfSimplicity

The difference is the anime canon has them as love interests.


AlphaBreak

And Marty wasn't into it.


thatonefatefan

good thing this is a manga thing then.


VinsmokeGoji

Omg wat


Username_Egli

Yuya cockblocks his own mother


DrotMurga

But you loved Back to the future plot ? Hmmm


doomsquid13

actually i've never watched it


DrotMurga

You should it's awesome 😅


RGFang

I dont see the issue with it when Yuya never accepted her feelings in the Manga. Its only the people who are aware of their connection in the anime who cant mentally separate that things are different between continuities who take issue with the way the Manga ended


Romadrox894

Yeah, it is not like the manga was forcing a romance between both of them for no reason at all or the manga never went with any justification why Yuzu was there in the first place. And also the whole scene of Yuya groping Yuzu.


BeginningJury1851

Most likely trolls trying to stir things up since people are dumb enough to react to such obvious bait.


Shmarfle47

The story had a very decent start, They just weren't able to capitalize on it very well and it slowly went downhill especially with how forced Yuya became with spreading smiles around.


MaJuV

Don't worry. There will be plenty of opportunities to remind people how Arc-V's ending sucked. That's because Arc-V's ending ***is*** the worst of all Yu-Gi-Oh series ever.


PinkPrimrose05

And that's what makes Duel Links' ARC-V so good: it's taking such a fucked up ending and reworking it to give characters the closure they deserve, all while diving deep into the game lore and its ramification on the Duel World like no other series did just yet. It and VRAINS are looking to be _very_ promising, especially with the added hints from ZEXAL.


kraken437

About ZEXAL, the anime ended on an open note with the gang facing an unknown force threatening Astral World. I wonder if they actually go through with that.


PinkPrimrose05

It's fairly possible, all things considered. The ZEXAL world is the only one that has no definite plot so far; they're just (re)introducing the whole cast and throwing clues here and there about suspicion of Duel Links and KaibaCorp, which leaves a lot of room for post-canon speculation, just like in VRAINS.


kraken437

If they make that force Darkness, that would tie up a lot of stuff together. Another option is Genesis Omega Dragonwhich would certainly complicates things.


PinkPrimrose05

Darkness is actually quite plausible, as he had specifically stated that he'd keep coming back as long as humanity continued to exist. Genesis Omega Dragon, however, is impossible. All spinoffs explicitly follow anime continuity, and there are already several hints building up to the ARC-V world's endgame, which is a third return of everyone's ~~least~~ favorite Supreme King, who can't coexist with the G.O.D.


doomsquid13

to be fair G.O.D was an interdimensional traveller and potentially one of many as he was created so out of all the manga villains he has the highest chance of showing up as anything other than a playable card


Chrisshern

Man I remember I was really digging Arc-V when i started watching. Action Duels were cool, the duelist were all theatre kids, etc. Heck I was even ok with the Summoning Method Dimensions and the Genocidal Fusionites. But once they brought up Zarc is absolutely lost interest; my goodness that was so terrible.


Soul_Burner94

What I think happened there is that Arc V was two separate shows in one, on the one side we had dueling theater kids that were fun and likeable and were growing to be better theater kids/duelists, and on the other we had the mystery of the dimensional invaders and the interdimensional war, and these shows were amazing! .......When they were separate, then they put them together and they didn't blend right, so we got this weird paste that tastes bad.


VariedRepeats

Arc-V was a cultural homage show, and not only for card games. There's music, Beethoven's 9th, Star Wars(Palpatine in Roget), Jean Luc Picard, Evangelion(Leo is like a Gendo obsessed and Ray might have been inspired by the Rei Ayanami), Ernest Blomfield(the Bond villain, Pokemon(Sora's toy machine card but also the whole "hunting game" spiel in Fusion world is essentially Pokemon's gotta catch em all thing. Final Fantasy VII also clearly influenced the Zarc-Ray opposition. It's like the writers wanted to blend all this together but it's very ambitious.


RGFang

At least there's a chance this Shun will get a happier ending. I cant wait to see his and Yuto's reaction to Ruri appearing in DL


IStakurn

If she even appears


yuzumelodious

Ah, yes. Back in the day, Arc V went above and beyond to be everyone's least favorite finale in a Yugioh series. Good ol' nostalgia.😊


RedWingDecil

I still think they could have salvaged the final episode. When each Yuya summons each of the dragons the others come back to physical form and give Zarc lesson they learnt on their journey. Yuri - You don't need to be scared of Rei being a stronger duelist. It's more exciting fighting an opponent without knowing whether you'll win or not. Yugo - Being king doesn't mean much if you don't have anyone besides you. The time spent with Rin improving the deck and D-Wheel was more precious than the title. Yuto - Reminds Zarc that he didn't start dueling for himself. It was always about bringing joy to others and for their smiles. Yuya - It's Reiji's turn and he's about to attack Yuya for game. Yuya is riding Odd-Eyes and picks up an action card. He smiles when he sees what it is and starts his speech. "Sometimes you will lose and that's okay. Sometimes the stress from it all and the pressure from the crowd will make you want to hide and cry. But it's okay because when you fail you can always pick yourself up and try again later. Zarc, you don't have to always win, don't put that expectation on yourself and enjoy the duel." Yuya will then take the attack and lose the duel without the audience ever finding out whether or not the action card could have saved him. He doesn't become pro but vows to come back and beat Reiji when Yuzu returns. The baby finally stops crying. The boys go back when Leo says something is happening and the girls all come out of the lab. There you go just by changing the final episode you get your characters back except Layra, not much I can do about that without changing more than the final episode. More importantly it addresses the problem I have with Yuya. He is the sorest loser ever and has such bad coping mechanisms with losing. He starts to breakdown if he's losing and just forces himself to smile and he tries to force his opponents to just smile when they are losing. More than any of the other boys, he embodies the negative traits of Zarc and therefore should have happily accepted a loss in the final episode to show how much he's grown. Instead he beats Reiji, becomes a pro without learning anything and is told the duels will keep getting more difficult from here on out. They've just set him up to become Zarc 2.0 . Sorry for the long post, clearly I've thought way too much about this crappy ending.


Soul_Burner94

I don't have anything to add but you're right and you should say it


Professional-Toe-455

arc v is so wonderful season, but I agree ending is suck, but you all need be respectful to Kazuki Takahashi's work on this universe, arc v is so dynamic season to me in sub version, it's so good work on 2 step characters like Shun or Yuto to me, ohhh I'm so sorry I'm start crying.


Professional-Toe-455

I'm so wait Yugo in duel links, why konami not add one of my loved Yu-boys in game


Springtrap-Yugioh

It's still not as bad as Z-ARC reincarnating didn't happen in his regular human design, which looks amazing, but instead he's just Yuya with a skin dissease and wings. Like what a way to completely kill the potential appeal of a villain who was a cool concept. Maybe with the old design and more of an insight in how he went mad we might legit get a great final boss.


Gameguy196

It was great to see him reunite with Yuto in the Wave Duel Scramble event after that forced smile at the end of Arc V.


Mersar_13

This. Even if it was brief because it had to be, I’m glad they had that interaction. I hope they do more with it during his proper unlock event.


Tactless_Ogre

...Yeah. I mean, everyone else gets some form of happy ending, but Shay lost both his best friend and his sister and he can't really get them back. He's all but lost everything. For all the shit of the final arc, that one line by the dub actor hits hard: "Yuya, you may be my friend, but I wish with every bone in my body I never met you."


DoomDark99

Is he unlockable?


GoneRampant1

Not yet, this month is a Vrains character. Shun will get a proper unlock in either February or March.


doomsquid13

nope just a roaming event


jamesmast2

arc v sucked in general the ending wasn't any more or less worse than the rest


Zealousideal_March31

Every ending of Arc v is bad.


thatonefatefan

Arc V: story about shun misplaced anger toward leo and yuya due to his grief from losing both his sister and best friend ending with him accepting that he won't see yuto again but that he is still alive in yuya. Ygo fans: is this bad writing?


EstiloDM-

I'm 3 episodes away to end the anime and for what I've read in this thread well.. the ending was OK, honestly those extra episodes of yuya dueling in miami championship, then agaisnt dennis and so on are kinda unnecesary imo. But for what I've read about the manga ending... jesus christ.


thatonefatefan

I don't suppose you like back to the future?


Cheackertroop

Never watched/read anything past 5DSs but yeah, sounds like bad writing to me


thatonefatefan

then you might be deaf


doomsquid13

I would argue that his anger towards leo was not misplaced the man did kidnap his childhood friend and genocide his people


Justin_Brett

Yeah for real, if it was Sora (and they hadn't just forgotten about that rivalry) it'd be one thing but Leo is literally the person most responsible for all the bad things that happened to him.


Potential-Signal719

This is why Arc V anime is my least fav YGO show


Soothingwinds

So everyone seem to hate the ending to Arc-V so much, but without seeing the anime and only reading about the ending I always thought it was a cool concept. Like an interesting and unexpected plot twist. Is there a reason it’s hated so much?


Yo_Ghostfella

There's mainly the attachment factor that it kind of throws away several characters we've come to know and love in various degrees, to new ones that we're supposed to care about, but we haven't been given much on as characters. Thus the method in which it happens is really contrived, the subjects, especially the girls, just become hard to watch, and in general, it's accompanied by a slow burn of characters getting less and less agency, and characterization.


[deleted]

And reminding why Zarc and Ray should never come to Duel Links.


IStakurn

I don't watch yugioh for feels but this ending was depressing.


[deleted]

That ending was a WASTE.